The forgotten question: What is the American interest in the Russia-Ukraine war?

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By Jordan Schachtel

Lost in the Ukraine war conversation is the reality that almost none of it has anything to do with the interests of the American citizen, and our elected leaders don’t seem to notice or care.
 
On Wednesday morning, Congress and the Biden Administration took in a highly anticipated speech by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. As he spoke to unanimous praise and thunderous applause, the West’s man in Kiev demanded endless truckloads of weapons, and even the assistance of American military forces over his skies, to fend off the Russian forces in his country.
 
Following the Zelensky speech, Republicans and Democrats were practically tripping over themselves to get in front of a TV camera declare that we must do more, in the form of sending Ukraine an infinite supply of weapons, to continue Ukraine’s war effort.
 
It seems that somewhere along the timeline, however, lost in our national conversation about Ukraine, is the reality that none of this has anything to do with actual American national security interests. And this doesn’t even cover our regime’s economic warfare campaign against Russia, which is contributing to a global economic malaise and the suffering of untold millions, while clearly harming Americans, too.
 
While many atop the elite hierarchy stand to gain or lose a lot from the continuing war in Ukraine, it remains clear as ever that this is an inter-slavic spat in the form of a turf war unfolding 5,000 miles away from the United States. There is indeed a lot at stake for the U.S. and NATO military industrial regime, for the Kremlin, for the Ukrainian government, and for shadowy private actors, but not for the average American citizen.
 
The Biden Administration and Congress seem hellbent on encouraging the war effort, and have activated the Big War machine without explaining what is exactly at stake for We The People, or even the Ukrainian people, who are very much a mixed bag of support between East and West.
 
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For the American people, there is no foreseeable outcome to this conflict that would bolster or threaten our security on the home front. That calculation can only change if the Biden Administration recklessly decides to send Americans into the fight on behalf of the Ukrainian government. And so far, there are no indications that this is on the table.
 
The cable news hysteria and corporate press propaganda is not at all in touch with reality, with its Putin equals [choose your World War II dictator] insanity. All of the World War II comparisons are complete hogwash, devised by parties that seek to fraudulently elevate the stakes of the war. There is no Winston Churchill or Neville Chamberlain in this fight. And there is no Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin involved either. Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelensky do not fit the WWII model. Russia and Ukraine are, in fact, quite similar to each other.
 
Feel free to debate the morality of the situation, and seek out the righteous forces in this conflict as an intellectual and moral exercise. However, what is happening in Ukraine is an ongoing violent territorial dispute, thousands and thousands of miles away, having nothing to do with our internal security. There are no American security interests at risk.
 
The Russia-Ukraine conflict is first and foremost a humanitarian issue. If we start to think about this situation through that lens, it may challenge the prevailing wisdom of sending infinite supplies of taxpayer-funded heavy weapons into a warzone, or even worse, maintaining a no fly zone against the Russians, which is tantamount to starting World War III, as it requires our forces to attack Russian territory to secure the airspace over Ukraine.

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Trump was falsely impeached for looking into just that, Biden making millions or more from his shady dealings in the Ukraine.

The poor nation has been used by both American/European oligarchs and Russian Oligarchs.

This war is due to them, and has nothing to do with the American People…or Russian people who are now the targets of Biden’s ham-fisted attempts at action.

A Convention of States needs to occur, the goal of which to get these paid-scumbags in both parties out, and restore our Constitutional Republic.

They are literally killing people abroad and leading us towards a war even they don’t know how to fight.

It’s the sign of the times…an embattled, yet installed, “President” pleading to America for real assistance in fending off an invasion America helped to cause.

They clap and get their hashtags but do nothing except make poor Russians poorer….thus giving Putin the public support he didn’t have before.

These clowns are NOT representing us and need to be removed.

The US interest, the WORLD’S interest. is to condemn and oppose an armed invasion of another nation for territorial expansion. If Putin gets away with this suffering some short term financial pain then other nations (China, Iran, N.Korea) will be encouraged pursue their own aggressive agendas.

Idiot Biden is a weak moron, a puppet of corrupt entities that seek to weaken the nation while getting incredibly wealthy. HE is the threat to world security.

Last edited 2 years ago by Just Plain Bill

I think the US/Globalist/EU cabal that has control of our nation and others literally saw this coming, and wanted it…for the express purpose of making gas unaffordable.

It’s going to backfire when WWIII actually goes hot.

It’s going to backfire when…

At least the world won’t have to listen to the hateful right wing bullshit anymore.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

We’ll just be studying evil people like you as we put up new statues for those so-called “right wingers” who said enough is enough and stopped your new Reich before it begins.

As for being “hateful”, you might want to look in the mirror.

You are the vile, hateful piece of shit you think you are fighting.

Don’t worry, though. We won’t let you go through with your new genocide.

We got this, so….troll away. It’s entertaining.

RIGHT

At least the world won’t have to listen to the hateful right wing bullshit anymore.

You mean like 4 years of “Russian collusion”?

Ukraine officials are getting close to a peace agreement with Russia according to Sergey Lavrov.

But the war mongers in the democrat media are still pounding the war drums.

But the war mongers in the democrat media…

<— TOTAL BULLSHIT. Putin’s Road to War (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Yes, WE know of Putin’s history.

You and the Democrats? Not so much.

Enjoy the war you created, pig.

That includes the fan boys here as well as the politicians in the uniparty. They love them some war.

KNOW PUTIN’S HISTORY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL
 Putin’s Road to War (full documentary) | FRONTLINE

Yes, Biden and your Party were played like fools. Putin’s history? Georgia under Bush, Crimea under Obama’s installation of a new regime…NOTHING UNDER TRUMP…and now back to the same old antics, invading nations and taking what he whats.

We knew what was at stake the last election.

Now people are dying and puppet Biden and the regime he represents are to blame.

No one has yet to articulate a National security interest in the eastern border of Ukraine. If the border of Ukraine is sacrosanct then whyis the southern border of the US not important.
There is an invasion at the our southern border every bit as
lethal as that on the eastern border of Ukraine
Yet there no funding while two million illegal aliens broke the law in 2021 and that number is expected to increase for 2022

We have the wrong priorities in place

Last edited 2 years ago by TrumpWon

To our way of life and our identity as a nation?

You bet.

The forgotten question: What is the American interest in the Russia-Ukraine war?
10% for the Big Guy, it seems.

America has been involved in military operations in over 40 countries since WWII.

Trump was getting us out of that business, while keeping the peace through strength.

Now the Left is the new “Right”, demanding war and death and destruction and suddenly concerned by a nation that has many, many secrets that would sink many, many politicians.

Just ignore greg. He’s a parasite with no teeth at all.

What was America’s interest when Hitler decided to burn down Europe? Are you still working on that one?

KNOW PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL 

I’ll be nice and share a much, much better breakdown of why Russia is invading Ukraine, since you’ve discovered scholarship suddenly, if only to pretend you have some kind of point behind what you’re being paid to post.

An educated link now provided, not paid for by the American Government bent on covering up their mess.

“IF you believe NATO is a hostile aggressor, or could become one in the future…”

It’s PUTIN who launched an invasion.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Only a partisan loser would throw out nuance and the part that the West has played in all of this.

Putin threatened to invade Ukraine during Trump. Trump handled him, easily, and Putin never did.

Then a virus was released and an election rigged.

Putin is invading because he now can, given that Biden has no power and WILL NOT stop him.

Trump prevented this.

Biden caused it.

What was America’s interest when Hitler decided to burn down Europe? Are you still working on that one?

Hitler declared war on the US, historic genius.

KNOW PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL 

Every bit as lethal as that on the eastern border of Ukraine?

100,000 killed by fentanyl coming across idiot Biden’s open southern border in just one year alone. That is over and above the rapes, murders, assaults and drunk driving deaths caused by the illegal immigrants Democrats so enthusiastically protect.

How many Americans must does because biden cannot secure the southern border as effect as President Trump was able to do.

NONE!

How many Ukrainians died with us in Korea? In Nam ?

How many Ukrainians died with us in Korea? In Nam ?

Ukraine was a Soviet prison camp during both of those wars.

Translation:

“ZERO”

Thanks for playing, chump.

The poorest country in Europe made the most donations to the Clinton foundation, it was Ukraine.
You can look back just a couple of years and see the liberal media bashing the Nazis as the most corrupt country on the planet, but hey lets pour tax dollars into that black hole Created by the Clinton state dept and CIA by the billions.
Not one iota of national security.
But dont look at what a shithole they are turning our country into.
Check out all the gregs!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary/commentary-ukraines-neo-nazi-problem-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Last edited 2 years ago by kitt

So you have China and Russia as allies, and now India looking to align as well.

2.9 Billion people are poised to reject the dollar as the reserve currency and go to the yuan.

THAT will truly change life in America, irreparably

The corrupt dealings of the Democrats and Europeans have hurt us all.

US continues to deplete its strategic petroleum reserve. Now down to 33 days worth of oil supply at current demand, one of its lowest levels in history.

Today’s Ukrainian War Heroes were Yesterday’s White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis Fighting Russia 

These are the combats that goosestepping greg thinks are fine people. Such fine people that we should send our sons and daughters to fight along side white supremacists
Wonder how that would set with the woke military of today,..

Does something seem vaguely familiar?

03/18/22 – Putin appears at big rally as troops press attack in Ukraine

The show of support amid a burst of antiwar protests inside Russia led to allegations in some quarters that the rally — held officially to mark the eighth anniversary of Russia’s annexation of Crimea, which was seized from Ukraine — was a manufactured display of patriotism.

Moscow police said more than 200,000 people were in and around the Luzhniki stadium. The event included patriotic songs, including a performance of “Made in the U.S.S.R.,” with the opening lines “Ukraine and Crimea, Belarus and Moldova, it’s all my country.”

200,000 “in and around the Luzhniki stadium” is quite possible, given that what’s “in and around” the stadium is the city of Moscow.

Seeking to portray the war as just, Putin paraphrased the Bible to say of Russia’s troops: “There is no greater love than giving up one’s soul for one’s friends.”

Hold on… Giving up one’s soul?

No doubt Vlad is every Russian soldier’s friend, but I’m not sure that business about giving up one’s soul is actually in the Bible.

Taking to the stage where a sign read “For a world without Nazism,” he railed against his foes in Ukraine as “neo-Nazis” and continued to insist his actions were necessary to prevent “genocide” — a claim flatly denied by leaders around the globe.

Video feeds of the event cut out a times but showed a loudly cheering crowd that broke into chants of “Russia!”

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Yes. This is where your ideologies go, if left unchecked by freedom loving citizens.

Yeah, you know what I’m talking about. You can see the parallels. The personality worship of a billionaire gangster autocrat, the propaganda-induced crowd hypnosis, the hypnotic chants, the demonization of all who oppose you…

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

I’m sure Glenn Greenwald is a fine wife and mother, which I respect. But he’s still damning an entire nation because some of the people defending it from an invading tyrant are on the far right.

Where do you think Vladimir Putin is on the political spectrum?

KNOW PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL 

Ukraine is not our priority. That belong to Brussels and the party of davos

we should however investigate what kind of corruption biden got himself into in Ukraine now that the laptop from hell has been authenticated by the NY slimes

Greenwald, by the way, was the guy who assisted Edward Snowden with the publication of highly classified US intelligence documents.

Glenn Greenwald:

“I am not the least bit surprised that the CIA, a longtime authoritarian and antidemocratic institution, plotted to find a way to criminalize journalism and spy on and commit other acts of aggression against journalists.”

All sensitive administration documents and classified national intelligence should be publicly exposed for the good of the nation, right?

No doubt Trump supporters are in total agreement with that sentiment.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

The guy that proved the head of the CIA was lying to congress about spying on citizens, that guy?

It wasn’t the routine communications between law abiding American citizens that our intelligence community was looking for, was it? That was just the anonymous sand that intelligence community computers were sifting, looking for patterns that could reveal terrorists networks and covert enemy actors among us.

But you don’t really care about that.

Should there not be a special counsel looking into the laptop from heal and the incriminating evidence against your president?

Actually, I don’t much care about Joe Biden’s prodigal son. He’s a drug addict. Many American families are so afflicted. No doubt Hunter is a heavy burden for his father, who has lived for decades with the tragic losses of other family members.

You people will attack Biden even by way of the son he lost to cancer, just to score cheap political points. This is pretty much disgusting.

Mean while, GO PUTIN! ZELENSKY IS A NAZI! DOWN WITH UKRAINE!

WTF?

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

You’re no one that my parents’ conservative generation would even have recognized as Americans. You’re like the radical rabble of the 1930’s that rose up in America just before Hitler tipped his hand. Populace extremists, following a billionaire Pied Piper, who see every problem of the world as somebody else’s problem or somebody else’s fault. People who believe in simple solutions to complex problems, even though nobody pitching them is revealing the details.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Actually, I don’t much care about Joe Biden’s prodigal son. He’s a drug addict. 

you should hunter was the bag man for millions of dollars of graft

Hunter was bag man for a decadent overseas lifestyle and an enormously expensive drug habit. If you don’t think such a person can piss away a fortune overnight, you’re naive.

Joe BIden’s tax returns tell us where his money came from.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Joe BIden’s tax returns tell us where his money came from.

No, they don’t, unless you think idiot Biden claimed the 50% of Hunter’s money laundering take or the 10% he got just from Hunter throwing his name around to various foreign investors. Personally, I doubt he did.

Dumb shit, what terrorist action was ever stopped, the florida gay disco Known wolf or any of the other known wolves? How about the Christmas party terrorists in Cali?
Hell the FBI had to get the Wittmer non-kidnappers all doped up and talking stupid to frame them.

Dumb shit, what terrorist action was ever stopped…

Most often we don’t know what never happened. It’s the failures we all know about.

So all the deportations and trials were held in super secret, get a clue.

It was over fifty years before anyone knew that the world didn’t end in 1962 because ONE Soviet submarine commander refused to follow a standing launch order.

Possibly that was the single most momentous decision one man made in all of human history, and hardly anyone even knew.

You folks could use a bucket of clues. Or maybe not. There are plenty you’re already ignoring.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

So the CIA prevented the launch by spying on citizens, what a moron you are.

KNOW PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL 

nice try at deflection

edward Snowden not at the top of topic lists yesterday’s news

pfft

You’re as detached from reality today as you were then. Actually, even more so. You can’t even see the existential threat that Biden is trying to deal with.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Biden IS the existential threat.

I’ll have no part in helping him fix what he and his Party caused.

Ignoring the Constitution makes you ineligible for the American people’s privilege of authority.

Putin as an existential threat has been written about and talked about by conservatives for decades. Trump handled Putin.

It’s fact that the Democrats have ignored and even tried to export the dealings going on in Eastern Europe and in Russia itself.

They will lie in the bed they made.

You can’t even see the existential threat that Biden is trying to deal with.

Idiot Biden is the existential threat.

Goose stepper “I’m sure Glenn Greenwald is a fine wife and mother, which I respect.”
Seriously? you are posting about us being being taken in? There is no mother in that or only as much as Ukraine being a security interest of the USA.

It was a reference to the right’s philosophical inconsistency, which apparently flew over your head.

I am not inconsistant, two men should not be able to buy babies.

It was a reference to the right’s philosophical inconsistency, which apparently flew over your head.

What inconsistency?

Just saw another body bag vid, an entire dumptruck load, the body on the top toward the rear is having himself a Marlboro.

Last edited 2 years ago by kitt

It reminds me a lot of Obama, drawing hundreds of thousands of brainless followers while the country was plastered with Marxist-style propaganda.

Funny how having actual followers means you just get to be President if you are Democrat, but it’s suddenly proof of being a Nazi or tyrant or something if you are a Republican.

Go fuck yourself.

PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL 

Yeah, you know what I’m talking about. You can see the parallels between Obama and Putin now.

The oligarchs propring them up, the money, the use of poor people to get votes, the crowd hypnosis, the chants

“I don’t have to pay for my car, or my bills….etc.”

Barring the free press and drone-killing citizens without due process.

You might want to consider your the pot calling the kettle black, before you make yourself look like an idiot.

This is zero National security interest for the US in the eastern border of Ukraine.
There is however significant national security interest in our southern border.

PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL 

Last edited 2 years ago by TrumpWon

KNOW PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL 

We knew Putin was capable of this.

Why didn’t you and your party?

Does something seem vaguely familiar?

It reminds me a lot of Obama, drawing hundreds of thousands of brainless followers while the country was plastered with Marxist-style propaganda.

Funny how having actual followers means you just get to be President if you are Democrat, but it’s suddenly proof of being a Nazi or tyrant or something if you are a Republican.

Go fuck yourself.

Last edited 2 years ago by Nathan Blue

PUTIN’S HISTORY AND METHODOLOGY, OR BE PLAYED FOR A FOOL