Ace:
First, if you really cared about Russian hacking like you claim to do, you’d give the computers to the FBI so that they — the actual counter-intelligence law enforcement agency of the US — can hunt the bad guys down.
Second, although some DNC jackass says this private firm Crowdstrike is “pretty good,” I’ll tell you what they also are — they are paid by the DNC.
Not a chance in Hades that a paid DNC firm will find out whether Seth Rich took all those DNC emails to Wikileaks.
He’s been murdered and no suspects have been named.
Tellingly, Julian Assange said he, alone, knew who he got the DNC info from.
He, alone, because the other person is dead.
@Nanny G:
Well this attempt to discredit Trump has failed too. The left just does not learn that their lies never amount to truth.
Yes, three hours of ‘testifying’ before the Senate committee and not one single shred of ‘proof’ that the Russians hacked anything. Not one piece of evidence. Seems like the Dims would be embarrassed by being made fools of once again,, but I’m not even sure they know it, yet.
The name is not Demacrats anymore call them Demacrooks
What do you think such an investigation entails? Looking inside the computer box for physical clues with magnifying glasses, fingerprint powder, and tiny little flashlights?
A hacking investigation involves the examination and analysis of digital files and logs. That’s where the evidence is found. A first-hand examination of the servers themselves is pretty much irrelevant. If a contracted third party with specialized skills and expertise performed the analysis, found the evidence, passed it all on to the FBI, and the FBI concurs with their interpretation of what was discovered, does that somehow alter the significance of what was found?
If so, why does it? Has it suddenly become convenient for the right to decide that private contractors are full of it?
Six big takeaways from the extraordinary congressional hearing on Russian hacking
@Spurwing Plover: I’m sticking with Dimocrats. Dim as in witted.
@Greg:
really? So if I had a copy of those digital files and logs, I would be able to determine where they came from, where they had been and how I got them and who had actually stolen the files and logs and forwarded them to me? Are you serious? With thinking like that, no wonder we can’t get a straight answer from a dimocrat.
Uh, you didn’t really ask that question, did you? Tell us, under those circumstances how the FBI could verify where they had gotten their information? Could that same ‘contracted third party’ have easily manufactured the information? If they couldn’t then they’re not capable of analyzing it.
Surely we don’t have intelligence officers that think like you do or we would be in serious trouble.
Private contractors certainly have value and they certainly have liabilities. If we’re not aware of both, we shouldn’t be using them.
Some of those things can, in fact, be determined by analysis of related computer logs and metadata, IP addresses, routing, etc. Various file types have hidden embedded data; an internet photo, for example, will often have Exif data revealing the exact time and geographical coordinates where the picture was taken. Word files may have hidden data detailing a full history of all document revisions. Hacking methodology can leave unique digital fingerprints. A picture can emerge from seemingly unrelated sets of data that provide a meaningful context when taken together.
The people who perform this sort of analysis can be very good at what they do. Our intelligence community employs many of them. They have access to supercomputers and artificial intelligence software, which are very powerful analytical tools. There’s also serious talent in the private sector. A wise investigator makes use of everything that’s available. I assume much of what’s available isn’t public knowledge.
I’m not much impressed by the fact that Trump seems to blow all of this capability off. Maybe he should turn his own powers of persuasion to selling miracle no-stick skillets, or some other product he can fully comprehend. The potential for damage would then be limited to occasional burnt-on eggs, rather than a sudden Russian occupation of Ukraine.
@Greg:
LOL…to quote Obama…
“The 80s called. They want their foreign policy back.”
Wasn’t it Schlicter who recently wrote the delicious fisking of this ridiculous scapegoating by the left over their horrible candidate losing in November?
The unethical acts, potential crimes, and dirty political tricks of the Clinton campaign and the DNC are to be ignored, in favor of the political kabuki outrage over the fact that these truths were made available to the public.
The left demonstrates yet again its intrinsic belief that it is perfectly acceptable for them to engage in illegal, unethical and dishonest acts….just so long as they don’t get CAUGHT.
@Greg:
Would you say they may be good enough to counterfeit all that information?
Not without access to those related computer logs and metadata. That’s what this whole discussion is about. That the FBI never had access to these computers and their logs. remember?
Your theory is like saying that a bullet can be traced to a specific rifle without access to the rifle but just with access to records about the rifle and ammunition from analytical experts. See the problem here? If you don’t it’s only because you have been educated by libs. And are being paid by libs to have the opinion you espouse.
And I’m not much impressed that you think the FBI can do a lot of analysis without having access to the evidence. (without manufacturing the analysis information, which they very likely do, as needed)
Are you denying that he has the powers of persuasion that is likely necessary for a billionaire businessman to be successful?
Are you actually saying that you think the failed community organizer was better prepared to take on the President’s job? Even I don’t believe that you could have come to that conclusion, but if you really want to sell us that you are really that stupid, then go right ahead.
They don’t need to have had access to the computers themselves; only to the data that was on them.
Unusually compelling powers of persuasion don’t necessarily make a good leader. Hitler had unusually compelling powers of persuasion. So has every highly successful false prophet, con man, and scam artist who ever lived. Such a talent is only a virtue when it is the tool of a virtuous person.
Community organizing is the business of politics. Obama didn’t fail at it. Ending a second term as President of the United States with an average job approval rating of 53.3 percent despite the incessant efforts of his political adversaries and their media tools to destroy his reputation and administration testifies to that fact. They failed at their avowed mission of assuring his presidency was a failure.
Now they’re determined to assure his failure after his departure. That obsession has taken the place of addressing the needs of the nation, which is what they’re supposed to be doing to earn their paychecks. Witness the fact that they’re totally focused on figuring out how to repeal Obamacare lock, stock and barrel, while not having a frickin’ clue how they’ll come to an agreement about what to replace it with. This is not something that gives the observant person cause for optimism.
From Reuters, Jan. 5: U.S. intel report identifies Russians who gave emails to WikiLeaks -officials
@Greg: #11
The CIA has been compromised by the political hack Brennan. He gets his marching order from obama. Still stuck on stupid believing this administration who have been documented dozens of times to lie with impunity….
@Greg:
That’s a great big IF because the exposed emails themselves demonstrate the lack of credibility within the DNC.
The FBI has cyber-security experts. They have the capability to determine who (if anyone) broke in. But, they were not allowed to look. Because the DNC is so concerned with Russian hacking. And it affecting Hillary’s election. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right.
More likely, there was more illegal junk on their server that they did not want the FBI to see.
If the FBI does not get to see the server, how can they “concur”? They can only accept it, on faith.
As this corrupt administration worries about security and intelligence, it leaks classified information to its propaganda partners.
I expect, Greg, you’ll miss the irony and illegality of this.
@RedTeam:
Under the Obama administration, the FBI is not expected to analyze. They are expected to simply put their stamp of approval on what the DNC tells them.
Yes. Yes, he is. He thinks this because the failed community organizer told him to think it.
According to Greg, the CIA and other intel agencies who indicated there were WMD in Iraq were lying. Now when they are supporting the Democrats, they are truth tellers! Welcome to the warped mind of Greg, the far left liberal.
@Randy:
I wonder what the people that have died at the hands of ISIS using the stockpiles of WMD’s that ‘were not’ in Iraq feel.
I’m even led to believe that now even GWB has said he was misled about WMD’s in Iraq, but I also know that the NY Times has reported that ISIS is using the weapons that were in the WMD stockpiles to fight their war in Iraq. So who’s lying? We fought a war because there were WMD’s. Then Bush says he was misled, they were no WMD’s then the Times reports ISIS using weapons from the stockpiles. So I guess we can be sure that either there was or there was not any WMD’s. Maybe we could get the people that hacked the DNC computers to tell us the truth, but they should pass it to the Russians so that they can pass it to Assange so it can be discredited. Must be some dimocrats involved in that.
How many times have we been told that there were no weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq? I’m pretty sure I’ve heard it millions of times. I’ve read stories here and there over the last several years about WMDs being found, but of course it never got much news coverage – until now.
The New York Times shockingly admitted in an explosive front page report that thousands of WMDs were found in Iraq since the start of the war:
From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.
In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.
So, now it needs to be repeated millions of times: there WERE WMDs found in Iraq! But of course The Times couldn’t admit that their discovery vindicates President Bush. Instead they claim that these WMDs don’t count and that an active WMD program was the only rationale for the Iraq War:
Read more: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/bombshell-new-york-times-reports-wmds-found-iraq/#ixzz4V161krm8
@Randy, #15:
Your previous republican administration cherry-picked the information they used to justify the invasion of Iraq from intelligence community reports, Sherlock, throwing out everything that they didn’t like or that argued against it. No dissenting views within the intelligence community were allowed to enter into the consideration.
Does the story sound familiar? It should, because Trump is showing signs of the same sort of selective intake. He seems to think he has better sources than the nation’s professional intelligence apparatus. Possibly RT News?
You’re still trying to justify the actions of the Bush administration, rather than giving consideration to what can be learned from our past errors. Errors are what we learn from, but they’re totally wasted if we refuse to acknowledge them because we’re fixated on always being right. These lessons came to us at the cost of blood and treasure. We owe those who paid the price our full attention, at the very least.
How are we suddenly forgetting that Vladimir Putin is a geopolitical adversary? Do you not know this man’s history?
The intelligence community report on Russian activities in the 2016 election
Who in the Obama administration leaked a top secret document about this to NBC, just says cant be trusted at all any of it. They want this tried in public opinion not computer experts.
This administration hasnt a clue about security and keeping things secret, 2 weeks we will be so much better off.
@Greg:
Your president, obama made plenty of mistakes.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/intel-report-says-us-identifies-go-betweens-who-gave-emails-to-wikileaks/index.html
So CNN publishes a piece that verifies that Federal officials are only ‘confident’ of Russian involvement in hacking the election. I’m confident that tomorrow will be a new day, but I’m not confident that the sun will rise. And: there is NO single intercepted communication that qualifies as a ‘smoking gun’. That is what is commonly called BS that the news folks are trying to get someone to call ‘proof’.
No smoking gun, i.e., no proof.
@Greg: Still in denial? Even knowing that even today there are still WMD’s in Iraq, you are still in denial. No Greg, there is no Santa Claus. No matter how much you wish it, it’s not gonna happen.
I’m not sure how we’ll ever know if there is or is not proof of Russian intervention because even if the intelligence have proof, revealing that proof with reveal sources and most intelligence ops wouldn’t do that. The outgoing president can say what he wants, but he has no track record of honesty for anyone to put a hat on, so that’s out. If Trump said ‘there is no proof’ it would reveal the complicity at Obozo’s orders to pretend there was but it would also undermine his relations with the intelligence agencies, so, bottom line….we’re not going to know. But at least there will not be any proof released, so the dimocrats will not be able to say they were right
@RedTeam:
Greg, like so many hard left liberals have put their stock in a proven congenital liar. If obama talking he is lying, period.
@Greg: OMG Six big takeaways from the extraordinary congressional hearing on Russian hacking the Washington Compost? really? you should be ashamed to link to that rag.
yup the russians hacked the power grid ya suuure. I wouldnt line a birdcage with at publication it would be animal abuse. Get a clue and not fake news source. I would doubt the obits they print.
According to the Government Accountability Office
confirmed by Wikileaks – there are only two officials
with VERIFIED TIES TO RUSSIA
JOHN PODESTA & HILLARY CLINTON
follow the uranium road $$$
@kitt, #19:
If you read beyond the header, you’ll see that the linked document referenced by the Obama administration is the unclassified version of the report. The full intelligence community assessment provided to the White House and president elect Trump remains classified.
After Security Meeting, Trump Admits Possibility of Russian Hacking
As has everyone with more than a double-digit IQ, long before now.
That was the point of the hacking. Why else would someone imagine they did it?
I can think of many reasons why they may have hacked many computers having loads of information about Donald Trump’s business activities. Do you suppose security there was better than other targets they chose? In his case, they’d have been looking not for ways to trash his campaign, but for leverage that could be used if he wound up in office. The threat of what might be revealed would be the prize. This is what they do. It’s how they operate.
@Greg: #17
Iraq is in much worse condition because obama was president. He made a major mess of the ME by design and with intent.
@Greg: investigate how NBC got hold of details from what it says is the top secret dossier on Russian interference in the U.S. election. Friday before Trump was briefed.
NBC said it was top secret, of course they are fake news but maybe they changed the tune after an investigation was requested.
What do you think, and dont ask MSM what you think.
Guy that shot up airport ISIS sympathizer …oh I am shocked. Now they are trying hard to scrub his social media accounts and make him out as a mental patient. Just another lone wolf coward that chose a gun free zone to do his glory killing.
Internet users faster to research than MSM to cover up.
@Greg: #25
Just wondering what you will be doing to celebrate mrs clintons loss…