The Anti-Benghazi

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As Paul noted a little while ago, pro-Iran militia forces known as Kataeb Hezbollah have besieged the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. They are being referred to in news accounts a “protesters,” but in fact they are a trained and organized military force. The attackers breached the outer wall of the embassy compound and then milled around, set fires, etc.

Apparently many liberals are trying to portray this attack as Trump’s Benghazi; “Benghazi” is now the most trending word on Twitter, with 231,000 tweets. There is, of course, no analogy: President Trump has not ignored calls for help, and instead has sent Marines to reinforce the embassy’s guards and Iraqi troops. So far, there have been no American casualties.

Trump has been tweeting up a storm today. Some, but by no means most of his tweets have related to the Iranian military operation in Baghdad. Here they are, in chronological order, with a few retweets left out:

You probably have seen video of the embassy attack, but if you haven’t, this four-minute summary from the Washington Post isn’t bad:

As usual, the Daily Mail has the best pictures, for example:

Many more at the link. All of this has to do with the fact that Iran’s leaders are feeling the heat of President Trump’s “maximum pressure” campaign. Last Friday, a missile strike by Iran or one of its proxies on a military installation in Kirkuk killed a civilian American contractor and wounded several American, as well as Iraqi, troops.

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No deaths on either side of the organized attack on the embassy. With 6000 there it could have been real ugly, the loss of the utility golf cart was very sad.

This tweet should stand as a warning to Iraqis that their “own” security forces, tasked with protecting our Embassy, were no-shows.

To those many millions of people in Iraq who want freedom and who don’t want to be dominated and controlled by Iran, this is your time!

7:44 AM – 31 Dec 2019

In effect the official Iraqi position seems to be to cede power to Iran.
Is it a “Muslims sometimes have a hard time killing other Muslims,” thing, or, is it that the people of Iraq are divided as to their loyalties: do they want to become provinces of Iran under a strong-man Ayatollah, or would they prefer their own country and leadership?

In a previous situation like this Muslims sometimes collapse into a “might as well get it over with” fatalism. I read that many Egyptians voted for the Muslim Brotherhood out of this fatalistic thinking.

Do the Iraqis miss a strong man like they used to have under Saddam?

@Nan G: Looking at a map of average IQs of the world you can find the answer.
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Islamists don’t have free will, they ‘trust’ that Allah will do everything for them if he wills it. All we have to do is blow the living hell out of them and kill their families, they’ll get the message soon enough. If not oh well, it’s as Allah wills.

@kitt: Africa should be going up, now that the Chicoms are taking over.

@Boris Badenov: It will be generations before they get off the short bus.

What a difference a leader makes.

the only way to deals with this gay muslin terrorists is to remove that from life. these animals have no respect for western culture, values or dreams. rape, beheading, looting, and destruction is the only four words they have in their limited vocabulary.

Notice President Trump did all this WHILE partying in a Tux!
He could be found.
His generals and admirals could be found.
He threatened BOTH sides, the Iranians and the Iraqis.
And he had no problem moving troops across national borders to defend our embassy personnel.
As many as needed, too, with more in the pipeline.

Yes, what a difference a leader makes.

@Nan G:

Notice President Trump did all this WHILE partying in a Tux!

Yes, what a difference a leader makes.

In the spring of 2018, Trump bailed on the Iran nuclear deal. A year later without evidence, he called Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps a “terrorist organization” and then shut down their oil exporting. A lot of big wigs then warned of an Iran confrontation. The New York Times reported last April,

“was opposed by some top Trump administration national security officials who said it could incite retaliation by Tehran against American troops and intelligence officers.”

That same month, they added

“in private meetings, military officials have warned the White House that its maximum-pressure campaign against Iran is motivating … threats to United States troops and American interests in the Middle East.”

The Atlantic added that same month:

“The militia groups that act as Iranian proxies in Iraq … would be an effective tool for further [Iranian] escalation” against the U.S.

These seem to have been good predictions as we saw last spring when Iran attacked oil tankers in the Persian Gulf and later shot down an American drone.

Trump instigated these events and then showed no leadership. Instead of a military response, he created a Red Line, showing a weakness rather than a strength.

Then Iranian militia, Kataib Hezbollah, crossed and attacked an Iraqi military base, wounding four American servicemen and an American contractor. Trump finally responded with an air attack which led to pro-Iranian militias storming the U.S. embassy in Baghdad.

So this is a product of Trump’s own making and a result of his ignorance on diplomacy. He doesn’t have any good options. A 3rd Middle Eastern war looks unavoidable as there’s no indication Iran will change. That war will be economically crushing, drawn out, and again, be nothing other than the product of a profoundly ignorant president.

Oh, lookie, lookie; AJ?Ward is using the NYSlimes (who just called the radical pro-Iran crowd who attacked the Embassy in Baghdad “mourners.” Then, not content with that little bit of left wing trash, he quotes them again, adds The Atlantic (who is radically far left) and tops it off with ForeignPolicy.com which is owned by the Washington Post.

Seems AJ/Ward is more than familiar with the radical left wing of what he confuses with journalism.

Left wing lemmings are so easily lead.

@retire05: Where else can he look for the darkest most negative view of America and her citizens?
No mention of over 1/2 million new manufacturing jobs many of those with benefits, wages for middle and lower incomes going up, the Stock market gains that secure our retirements, he prefers to live in a gloom and doom world.

@retire05:

Funny how all them there left wing trash fake news rags predictions came true.

@Ronald J. Ward: Its easy to predict the actions of those that have an average IQ of 70 when the history of what they always do is clear. Why Bush should not have got the US mired in the ME, Obama should not have funded and armed them.

@Ronald J. Ward:

Funny how all them there left wing trash fake news rags predictions came true.

Like what?

Perhaps you are referring to how the left wing trash fake news rags all said that Hillary Clinton would win the election?

@kitt:

No mention of over 1/2 million new manufacturing jobs many of those with benefits, wages for middle and lower incomes going up, the Stock market gains that secure our retirements, he prefers to live in a gloom and doom world.

Considering the forum topic is “The Anti-Benghazi” and pertains specifically to the attack on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, that would be considered off topic.

But since you brought it up the economy of today is little changed from the economy Trump inherited in early 2017. Per the U.S. Dept of Labor, Trump has produced roughly 1.5 million less jobs than Obama did in that same time frame.
(2014= 3.006 million, 2015=2.729 million, 2016= 2.318 million
2017 =2.153 million,2018 = 2.303 million (first year of tax cut)
Past 12 months: 1.782 million,2019 year to date through August: 1.141 million
2019 year to date annualized: 1.711 million)

Manufacturing jobs had contracted in Oct, Sep, and Aug and up in Nov only due to 46000 workers going back to work at GM after the strike. The tax scam has failed spectacularly and has even encouraged manufacturers to ship jobs overseas while exploding the deficit. The rich are doing very very well and yes, their wages have gone up tremendously. Middle and lower income? Not so much.

The rosy news of the economy is coming from Trump. It’s important that you not forget that Trump is a serial liar.

Of course, that has nothing to do with the Iran mess he’s gotten us into.

@Ronald J. Ward: The Iran mess he got us into bwahahahahaha, gee I thought that was Jimmy Carter, how long was that embassy held? Oh yeah we still have no embassy there.
The protestors said they would not spare a single person in the Iraq embassy, did we eliminate them with extreme prejudice? No we let the screaming retards exhaust themselves tipping over utility golfcarts and burning guard shacks. No real grenades just shock bangs and teargas.
Dont confuse CIA ops and NWO CFR shenanigans with Trump policy.

@Ronald J. Ward:

Funny how all them there left wing trash fake news rags predictions came true.

Such as?

Obama had a miserable economy with low wages and crappy, part-time jobs characteristic of his failure. Trump brought the economy roaring back simply by NOT being a socialist idiot.

@Ronald J. Ward:

But since you brought it up the economy of today is little changed from the economy Trump inherited in early 2017. Per the U.S. Dept of Labor, Trump has produced roughly 1.5 million less jobs than Obama did in that same time frame.
(2014= 3.006 million, 2015=2.729 million, 2016= 2.318 million
2017 =2.153 million,2018 = 2.303 million (first year of tax cut)
Past 12 months: 1.782 million,2019 year to date through August: 1.141 million
2019 year to date annualized: 1.711 million)

Where are you getting your numbers?

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in January 2009 (the month Obama took office) the employment level was 142,152,000. In November 2011 (the same length of time Trump has been in office) the employment level was 140,368,000 or 1,784,000 fewer employed than when Obama took office for a decrease in employment.

Unemployed, when Obama took office 12,058,000 and in November 2011, 13,302,000 or 1,244,000 more unemployed than when Obama took office. An increase in unemployment.

In the same time frame for Trump (first 35 months) employment level went from January 2017 (152,128,000)to November 2019 (158,593,000) was an increase of 6,465,000 in those employed. 2019 year to date (November) was an increase of 1,899,000 employed.

Of course, you use misleading numbers using Obama numbers from 2014, 2015 and 2016, not 2009, 2010 and 2011 which was the first three years Obama was in office. All you did was show how dishonest you are.

Unemployment levels under Trump decreased from 7,565,000 in January 2017 to 5,811,000 in November 2019.

So maybe you would like to explain why you dishonestly used the last three years of the Obama regime instead of the first three years?

RJ Ward is like ALL proggy/liberals, including those reading the news they have selectively edited: He just makes shit up and hope nobody notices!

So tell us, great enlightened one, Ward, what wouldst thou have done? ( Aside from the usual Quisling response of giving in to the Iranian-supported mob and offering them more cash and time to develop their own nuclear weapons, as the gay Muslim Kenyan/Indonesian Barry Soetero did.)

@Old Codger: From 1953 when the CIA staged a coup in Iran to topple the democratically elected government of Mohammad Moddeq in 1953 until the Obama administration’s endeavors to replace the Assad regime in Syria, destabilization has been at the core US policy toward the Middle East. There is no history before Trump the entire world was created by our vote for anyone but Hillary.

@Ronald J. Ward:

The New York Times reported last April,

“was opposed by some top Trump administration national security officials

That same month, they added

“in private meetings, military officials have warned

Trump finally responded with an air attack which led to pro-Iranian militias storming the U.S. embassy in Baghdad.

As per usual the NYSlimes has “sources” who are so chicken they refuse to go on record, or, perhaps they are not even real but just sock puppets.
As to that last quote from the Atlantic, what happened today?
A strong response with promise of even a more strong response and Iran ran back to its’ hole.
Also the Iraqi people were put on notice.
They are the ones whose “security forces,” were no-shows.
If they wish to stay a representative democracy, they need to step up.
Or….
If they prefer being under the thumb of yet another strongman (like Saddam only religious) keep sitting on their hands and watch the Ayatollah sweep in and take over.
MY GUESS:

Either way, we’re leaving.
Maybe there will be another ME war, but it won’t be with American boots all over the ground and in the graves like before.

Sounds like you never listen to the source: President Trump doesn’t hide his views.
He threatened BOTH the Iranians AND the Iraqis over this, not JUST the Iranians.

@retire05: According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, in January 2009 (the month Obama took office) the employment level was 142,152,000. In November 2011 (the same length of time Trump has been in office) the employment level was 140,368,000 or 1,784,000 fewer employed than when Obama took office for a decrease in employment.

Unemployed, when Obama took office 12,058,000 and in November 2011, 13,302,000 or 1,244,000 more unemployed than when Obama took office. An increase in unemployment.

Correct.
These numbers also had to correct for the funny business Obama pulled in 2009 during the census.
His ploy was to hire, then fire, then re-hire, then re-fire over and over again to buck up his “employment stats.”
Most graphs and records show this with an * and footnote explaining the phony game he played.
A chart showing jobs totals in the public sector since the beginning of the Great Recession
http://civilmechanics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/6a00d834b8bbb553ef0167619e1fdb970b-800wi.png

In addition, Obama’s unemployment stats were reduced largely by people becoming so hopelessly discouraged in ever finding a job ever again that they stopped looking. While Obama lowered unemployment numbers, so to the labor participation tanked. Under Trump, not only is unemployment dropping, not only are GOOD jobs (not the low paying and part time jobs that characterized Obama’s “recovery”) but the labor participation numbers have increased as well.

Liberals hope and pray to their false idols for an economic disaster to stain Trump with. Millions of people in misery and hardship could be politically exploited, just as the Nazis exploited the global depression in the 30’s. Likewise, they desired Americans to be killed in the Iraq embassy so they can draw a little attention off of Obama’s and Hillary’s tragic and embarrassing failure in Benghazi. Liberals can’t make anything better; they can only hope to make success look worse than it is to better compare with their own performance.

@retire05:

Where are you getting your numbers?

The first thing you need to do is actually read what you’re responding to as I clearly gave the U.S. Dept of Labor which you then copied and pasted. I suppose the next thing would be for you to educate yourself on simple things such as the reality that The Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor is the principal federal agency responsible for measuring labor market activity, working conditions, and price changes in the economy

Of course, you use misleading numbers using Obama numbers from 2014, 2015 and 2016, not 2009, 2010 and 2011 which was the first three years Obama was in office. All you did was show how dishonest you are.

Not at all as I was comparing job growth under Trump and Obama during the same time frame. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there was more jobs created in Obama’s last year in office compared to Trump’s 1st, more in Obama’s last 2 yrs v Trump’s 1st 2 yrs and more in Obama’s last 3 yrs than Trumps 1st 3 yrs. Per the BLS,

You wanting to use the first 3 yrs of Obama is misleading because you intentionally (or you are profoundly ignorant) ignore the economic train wreck he inherited from Republicans. It took Dems about a year (while fighting Rs hell bent to continue sabotaging any efforts of recovery).to straighten it out and it’s been on a fairly steady recovery for the past 10 years.

You also ignore Trump driving up the deficit and the widening wage gap along with the manufacturing decline under him. All of this by the way, having nothing to do at all with him screwing our eyes out with his self-inflicted Iranian quagmire.

@Nan G:

Sounds like you never listen to the source: President Trump doesn’t hide his views. He threatened BOTH the Iranians AND the Iraqis over this, not JUST the Iranians.

I don’t consider Trump as a credible source because he erratically changes his mind with a shoot-from-the-hip strategy, that and he’s a constant liar. Anything he says can be swayed by Sean Hannity’s opinion or that is was an impossibility to begin with, or, he just blurted out something having no clue what he was talking about.

It’s hard to deduce what precisely you and your clones are trying to argue. The repercussions of Trump walking away from the Iran nuclear deal and then cutting off their ability to export oil were predicted not only from the media that Trump instructed you not to read but by right wing, military strategists, top generals, etc.

They warned of Iranian proxies militias that would do all they could to bleed us to death while being difficult to contain, ultimately forcing us into another long expensive war, driving up our deficit, soar gas prices, and not have a clear path out of.

These numbers also had to correct for the funny business Obama pulled in 2009 during the census.

No, census numbers were not used by Obama on unemployment. Trump said Obama did on the campaign trail, saying the economy was in the worst shape in history. Once elected, Trump started using the exact BLS numbers Obama did while claiming the economy was the best in history. Again, you have to remember that Donald Trump lies profusely.

@Ronald J. Ward: @Old Codger:

Indeed, Ron/AJ is a true Quisling….as he was indoctrinated to be by the Left.

Funny how all them there left wing trash fake news rags predictions came true.

Haha…and pretty funny how most of them didn’t. Hillary didn’t win. Trump didn’t wreck our economy. The list goes on and on.

A great move, pulling out of the Iran deal…as it’s plain to see. I guess the Quislings like Ron would like to have another bowing leader…but…thankfully his ilk are in the minority.

@Ronald J. Ward:

Again, you have to remember that Donald Trump lies profusely.

Yes. He lies about everything…such a liar…liar liar liar…

His political enemies should be able to impeach him on that alone…because it’s new that the losing party calls the new president a “lair”…oh the humanity.

Go get a job, you douche.

(name-calling!!! Yeah! ohh….I get to call Nathan hate-filled instead of going to my first therapy session!)

@Ronald J. Ward:

You also ignore Trump driving up the deficit and the widening wage gap along with the manufacturing decline under him.

Wrong, most ignorant person. DEMOCRATS run up the deficit by refusing to compromise on spending and make cuts. They continue to hold the government hostage to their addiction to buying votes. You really need to let Soros know that that the things he is telling you to say are making you look stupid.

@Deplorable Me: hehe…those talking points he has…just proof texting things to obscure the fact that the country is doing well for many reasons, Trump’s leadership and business experience being high on the list.

It’s nice to have an actual executive with experience in handling billions of dollars, thousands of people, laws, taxes, international relations.

Much better than a junior Senator with no real experience.

@Nathan Blue:

A great move, pulling out of the Iran deal…as it’s plain to see. I guess the Quislings like Ron would like to have another bowing leader…but…thankfully his ilk are in the minority.

On the way to his Mar-a-largo New Years eve party Trump spoke of North Korea, Kim Jong-un’s statement that the world would “witness a new strategic weapon” .

Trump explained his strategy:

“He likes me, I like him, we get along, He’s representing his country, I’m representing my country. We have to do what we have to do. But he did sign a contract”.

The problem here is that there is no contract. There never was a contract. And Trump has said in his Tweets that “Iran is a very different nation” due to his oil embargo while the warnings of Iranian proxy militia groups were blaring. He Tweets “There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.” when they’ve been strengthening their nuclear capabilities all along.

Trump has been bowing to Putin and Kim Jong since entering the WH, openly allowing Kim to proceed with nuclear arms and Russia to continue to interfere in our elections while instigating another quagmire in the middle east. And yes, he’s been lying to us all the while.
:

GW saw the largest decline in manufacturing, mostly due to NAFTA signed by…Clinton. Manufacturing jobs are growing at a 714% faster clip under Trump than over a similar time under Obama (forbes)
Barry saw a boom in low paying part time no benefit service jobs, would you like fries with that?
Protestors showed up at the embassy to protest the militia Protestors, they are not Iraqis! not shown.
The Secretary of State said the Iranian people have demanded their political leaders behave differently than they have in the past
“Unfortunately the Iranians responded by killing hundreds of their own citizens,” he said. “We’ve watched even in Beirut and in Iraq. Even today, there were protestors, it wasn’t in your footage, but there were protestors today. We saw real protestors today, not Iranian-backed militiamen who had been directed to go to the embassy by Qasem Soleimani, but rather real protestors, demanding to say that those folks at the embassy, those aren’t Iraqis.”

@kitt:

I’ll give Trump credit for abandoning TTP. I criticized Clinton’s NAFTA as well as GWB’s CAFTA.

And I’ll go a step further to criticize Obama for allowing some of McConnell and GOP legislation that actually rewarded manufacturers for taking jobs overseas while taxing them to bring them back. It was poor negotiating and a naive belief of some ability to work with or compromise with Mitch McConnell.

I’ll also criticize Obama and Dems for not capitalizing on the short period of super-majority for not pushing minimum wage hikes and unionization rights and protections.

Trump has been the most anti-worker and wage-theft presidents in years and while he touts higher wages, he’s done all he can to keep them down such a corporately ran NLRB and wage-theft judges, denying Obama’s EO to bring millions of salary workers making 23K a year overtime pay, to stopping a meager 2% raise already in place for federal workers.

And the tax scam did nothing but distribute more wealth towards the top, even actually paying some corporation such as Kimberly-Clark to relocate overseas. Not only did that bounce never occur but Rs and Trump are now focused on cutting SSI and Medicare to offset the ballooning deficit due to the tax scam.

And while I oppose free trade agreements, Trump’s approach did more harm than good as we saw Harley-Davidson pull out, farmers bellying up, bourbon makers building rickhouses overseas, and so on.

As for Iranian rebuttals, it’s obvious you aren’t up to date on it, leaving your only default option to bash democrats while sucking Trump butt. No need to bother.

Oh, and I couldn’t find any evidence at Forbes or elsewhere supporting your job claim numbers and I question the authenticity.

@Ronald J. Ward:

The first thing you need to do is actually read what you’re responding to as I clearly gave the U.S. Dept of Labor which you then copied and pasted.

I cut and pasted your comments, not hard data from the Department of Labor.

I was comparing job growth under Trump and Obama during the same time frame.

Wrong. The same “time frame” would have been the first 35 months of both administrations. What you did was pick one time frame for Obama and another time frame for Trump to bolster your argument. Apples are not oranges.

I posted the actual hard numbers, which you did not do, taken from the Department of Labor’s own charts.

You wanting to use the first 3 yrs of Obama is misleading because you intentionally (or you are profoundly ignorant) ignore the economic train wreck he inherited from Republicans.

Spoken like a true Obamabot. Of course, you will never admit that the “economic train wreck” was created by Bubba Clinton’s action of putting the CRA on steroids, which was predicted when he decided to jack with the housing lending practices passed by another failure, Jimmy Carter.

It took Dems about a year (while fighting Rs hell bent to continue sabotaging any efforts of recovery).to straighten it out and it’s been on a fairly steady recovery for the past 10 years.

Yeah, spending money on sidewalks to nowhere and door knobs for municipal offices in Mississippi really created a lot of jobs, right? And who can forget all those “shovel ready” jobs that were just waiting for Obama to create that Obama finally admitted were NOT “shovel ready.”

You clearly know little of economics but are quite good at doing the dance of the Dervish.

Here is the bottom line; in the first 35 months of his administration, Obama continued to bleed jobs. In his total 8 years in office, the labor force increased by 9,976,000 in jobs. In less than his first three years in office, Trump has seen an increase in the labor force of 6,465,000 jobs. THAT is why you don’t want to compare apples to apples (the first 35 months of office) because it makes Obama look like the incompetent boob he was. You can make all the excuses you can dream up, and blame the Republicans for Obama’s mismanagement of the labor force, but it is all a pipe dream on your part.

You also ignore Trump driving up the deficit and the widening wage gap along with the manufacturing decline under him.

Well, let’s see; the deficit will now increase due to the package just passed by the House by (tah-dah) DEMOCRATS. And widening wage gap is just a figment of your liberal imagination. Lower income jobs are seeing the highest rate of pay increases. But hey, continue with your delusional opinions of the economy.

. The repercussions of Trump walking away from the Iran nuclear deal and then cutting off their ability to export oil were predicted not only from the media that Trump instructed you not to read but by right wing, military strategists, top generals, etc.

Ah., yes, we uninformed dupes of flyover country should listen to the media (legacy media being nothing more than an arm of the DNC) and the military industrial complex who tells us why we should continue to finance terrorism in the Middle East.

I don’t think so. But then, perhaps you missed the recent reporting on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that is being ignored by the legacy media.

@Ronald J. Ward: You suck at using a simple search engine
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2018/10/..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/07/10/in-trumps-first-30-months..

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/01/04/312000-jobs-added-in-december

I dont kiss my employees ass and he works for a buck a year. Stating fact and not mindlessly bashing and lying is ass kissing….ya sure.
Not up to date? I took the quote from todays news feed, are you watching the View for your news?

https://www.forbes.com/pictures/glje45fdd/the-10-manufacturing-job

@retire05:
You’re trying to pick the white out of chicken shit and then pretending it isn’t chicken shit. Your arguments are still chicken shit.

The BLS are what they are and the charts are plentiful. They speak for themselves. Job growth has been steadily improving for the last 10 years. The slight less job growth under Trump is really minute, it’s really humming along as it did under Obama with the exception of manufacturing jobs declining under Trump.

Obama walked into an economy in free-fall, the housing market had crashed, the auto industry had come to all but a halt with supporting trickle down manufacturing jobs disappearing at an alarming rate, we were on the verge of a great depression.

So now you want accountability for the time it took for Obama to get this inherited derailed and crashed train-wreck back on the tracts and running while making comparisons of Trump chugging along nicely on Obama’s repaired train-all while ignoring that once up and running, Obama got slightly better millage out of it in his last 3 years than Trump has in his first 3 years.

You want to exonerate the 8 years of GWB and GOP failures (who even after the fact apologized to the American people with “having lost their ways” and “spent like drunken sailors” ) on Bill Clinton, fine, put that white chicken shit in your stack but it still doesn’t underscore what Obama walked into.

Your chicken shit picking of the rosy wealth of workers is equally dishonest. Workers have less buying power than they’ve ever had, more are living week to week and more have sank into poverty levels (Trump was wanting to correct this issue by changing the numbers on the level of poverty).

And this ballooning deficit is not a result of anything other than the tax scam rammed through by Trump and the GOP.

Facts are facts, history is history, and the Trump enablers have allowed themselves to live in an “alternative facts” world which I suspect, will give historians plenty of things to talk about- as well as Trump’s adversary asskissing while getting us into another foreign disaster.

Trump has been the most anti-worker and wage-theft presidents in years

AJ likes to talk about cults but he neglects to admit to the cult he is a brain-dead member of; the Hate Trump At All Costs and Support Any Lie We Can Invent Cult. He and other abysmally stupid, blind, ideological zealot idiots don’t understand that people would rather have a good-paying job than a dream of the dream job that doesn’t exist. No, AJ’s lies are, as always, the exact opposite of reality.

Yeah, Trump’s strategy against Iran has been a failure.

Iran admits Trump’s sanctions have wiped out $200 billion in Iranian assets
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/iran-president-admits-trumps-sanctions-wiped-out-obamas-nuclear-deal-pallets-of-cash/

AJ believes funding the most prolific financier of global terrorism is a great idea. That’s liberal-think for you.

@kitt:

You suck at using a simple search engine

Your 1st link links to “From Food Deliveries To Batteries, This Spacecraft Is A Lifeline For Astronauts”

The 2nd links to Forbes home page.

The 3rd does the same.

The 4th is simply the top 10 wage increase manufacturing jobs of 2020, not even specifying the pay increase and referred to global increases.

But yeah, I guess I suck at using search engine.

@Ronald J. Ward:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/01/04/312000-jobs-added-in-december

Jan 04, 2019 · Under Obama, federal state and local government employment grew 6 times faster than did manufacturing jobs, while under Trump, that ratio has been reversed, with manufacturing jobs growing 5 times …

Author: Chuck Devore
Testing link from search vs link from FA getting 404
from FA and goes to article from search.
Cant help you Ronnie you just have to use the search engine all by your lonesome and not have me wipe your ass for you.

@kitt:

Just in the past few weeks, we heard the announcement of a U.S. Steel plant closing in Michigan, Morgan Stanley cutting 2 percent of its banks citing “economic uncertainty” and Haliburton laying off 800 people in Oklahoma.

For the 2019 year, unemployment in Michigan and Wisconsin are up from a year ago. 640 trucking companies nation went bankrupt in the first half of the year, up 300% for the entire year of 2018. Farm bankruptcies went through the roof and would have been much worse if not for Trumps socialism of stealing money from me to hand to farm owners to offset his own screw-up. Only about 50% of Americans own 84% of them are the top 1%. Americans working or looking for a job per the Labor Force Participation Rate was 62.9% when Trump took office and it’s at 63.3% now.

And to top that off, Trump has gotten us into a quagmire in Iran while ass licking Putin and allowing him to rig our elections and ass linking Kim Jong whi;le allowing him to advance his nuclear warheads in order to attack us.

It doesn’t matter what Trump does or says, you and the GOP will blindly march lockstep over the cliff. Bribing a foreign government? Fine. Obstructing Congress? Even better. Murder? No problem.

@Ronald J. Ward: Unemployment in WI is at 3.3% yes it has ticked up under Democrat Governor Evers, who seems determined to kill the Foxconn deal made under Walker. Driving around I see nothing but help wanted and Apply inside signs but hey what do I know I just live here.
Farm bankrupsies well maybe they shouldnt have bought new combine when a used one is a pittance at $200,000, farms are businesses, but trying to explain anything about business to a basement troll is a waste.
Trump did not create the middle east quagmire you dolt.
The steel plant needs to modernize and up grade. https://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/u-s-steel-shuts-down-part-of-midwest-plant-after/article_ccf99c5c-477d-5a12-82dc-90c32806d224.html
The closing has nothing to do with the economy.

@kitt: And the subsidies that supported any of the farmers affected by the trade war came from the subsidies charged on imported goods. But, people who choose to keep themselves ignorant don’t know these things.

Does anyone repeating the lie that Trump is serving Putin ever offer an example of PROOF of this? Well…. no.

@Ronald J. Ward: I don’t consider Trump as a credible source because he erratically changes his mind with a shoot-from-the-hip strategy, that and he’s a constant liar.

So, you go to other people to get TRUMP’s VIEWPOINTs on things?
Talk about stupid!

As for “lying.”
27 times (at least) Obama knowingly lied, telling the American people they could keep their doctors.
Obama loved touting “shovel-ready jobs,” but got caught admitting (while LAUGHING) I guess those jobs weren’t so shovel-ready after all.
How many times did Obama lie about ObamaCare (the ACA) not covering abortion? Lots. https://aclj.org/obamacare/obamacare-abortion-funding-rule-finalized
How many times did Obama tell the lie that the 2009 Stimulus Package would contain no earmarks? It ended up only having 9,000+ earmarks in it! Oh, and it didn’t work because it was simply using taxpayer money to reward all his supporters.
He lied about “evolving” on gay marriage, too.
He was simply looking for the right time to spring it on the American public, and Joe Biden screwed that up for him.
He lied from before he was president. Remember his lie that “more black men were in prison than in college? LIED about it over and over until he got shut up by a fact checker.
He even lied about ISIS (or ISIL, as he called it) saying it was a JV team then denying he’d said that!

Here’s a last one:
The VA used to be a $#!+hole place for vets to go and wait to die.
Wait times were catastrophic if you were sick & dangerous if you needed tests.
(Gee, we don’t even hear about this anymore. Pres Trump has fixed this problem completely.) But Obama lied about what few firing happened on his watch at the VA. They were all ethics violations, not incompetence or foot-dragging laziness.

@Ronald J. Ward: Trump has not bowed to anyone, on camera, and he’s delt with threats either ignored or created by the Obama WH.

Russia was ignored, and the Democrats continue to be engaged in misinformation by pinning Russia’s involvement on Trump instead of their own incompetence.

You and your party scrape for little bits of clickbait in a vain attempt to misinform the public about Trump’s efficiencies.

Given you seem to want North Korea to Nuke somebody, you want Russia to help the Democrats in the next election like they did in 2016, and you want our embassies to be attacked and innocent heroes killed like they were in Benghazi, one has to ask the question:

Who’s side are you on anyway?

Glad to see you’re dropping the fake persona of being a teacher. I’m not sure what country you’re in doing the work of a propaganda mill, but here in America on the ground, your causes and your ideologies are failing.

@Nathan Blue: NOR did President Trump PROMISE to be more flexible with Russia when he is reelected. Unlike the guy that stained the office of the President for 8 LONG years.

@Nathan Blue: Oh, don’t forget… wanting the economy to tank so their failure will not look like such a failure.

@Boris Badenov: And whom those like this wasted space AJ absolutely worship. So much that they await the moment that horse-faced, scowling, big-assed wife of his runs for President. These people who presume to tell others how to live place celebrity well above ability… with predictable results.

@Nan G:

So, you go to other people to get TRUMP’s VIEWPOINTs on things?

It’s hard to phantom what you’re talking about.

As for “lying.”
27 times (at least) Obama knowingly lied, telling the American people they could keep their doctors.

Why do you continue to protect or defend Trump’s lying problem? There seriously is no comparison anywhere in history.

The VA used to be a $#!+hole place for vets to go and wait to die.

Trump has betrayed the VA, even caught scamming them out of money.

@Nathan Blue:

@Ronald J. Ward: Trump has not bowed to anyone, on camera, and he’s delt with threats either ignored or created by the Obama WH.

You’re talking stupid. Trump is Putin’s bitch. Trump idolizes him and Kim Jong and has stated that in so many words many times. He takes their words over his own advisers.

Russia was ignored, and the Democrats continue to be engaged in misinformation by pinning Russia’s involvement on Trump instead of their own incompetence.

No, Russia hacked the DNC in order to compromise our electoral outcome. Trump and Mitch McConnell and the GOP are ignoring that.

Given you seem to want North Korea to Nuke somebody, you want Russia to help the Democrats in the next election like they did in 2016, and you want our embassies to be attacked and innocent heroes killed like they were in Benghazi, one has to ask the question:

You are making stuff up. Please quote anything indicating such. It isn’t there.

I realize your next comment will be one or both or all of 3 things: 1) Go away and/or 2) you again lose the argument, and/or 3) that I’m angry. After your fraudulence has been exposed and you’ve had the taste slapped out of your mouth, that’s all you ever have to offer. Nothing else.

@Ronald J. Ward:

It’s hard to phantom what you’re talking about.

I bet it is, you provide phantom arguments we cant fathom.
Its ok dude you keep losing.
We are not angry we are laughing at you. Not with you, at you.

Oh my God. This chump AJ states:

Trump has betrayed the VA, even caught scamming them out of money.

You’re talking stupid. Trump is Putin’s bitch. Trump idolizes him and Kim Jong and has stated that in so many words many times. He takes their words over his own advisers.

No, Russia hacked the DNC in order to compromise our electoral outcome. Trump and Mitch McConnell and the GOP are ignoring that.

Then he says:

You are making stuff up. Please quote anything indicating such. It isn’t there.

Man, you just can’t make this kind of stuff up! What a maroon!

@Deplorable Me: 2018 wants its Boob-tube CNN mockingbird talking points back.
CNN told him it was illegal for him to read wikileaks, but not for them to read them.
Many read them and were disgusted what they thought of their own voters, and how MSM was asking them to edit their articles.

FREE JULIAN!

@Boris Badenov: @Deplorable Me: @Ronald J. Ward:

I realize your next comment will be one or both or all of 3 things: 1) Go away and/or 2) you again lose the argument, and/or 3) that I’m angry. After your fraudulence has been exposed and you’ve had the taste slapped out of your mouth, that’s all you ever have to offer. Nothing else.

Haha…that’s a fun list of your own responses to most people, so I see your projection is still lost on you. Claiming “victory” while we bandy our opinions against your hit statements isn’t really a “game” you can win, little dog.

You exemplify the growing fascist tendencies of your own party, and their use of your anger and ignorance to promote their own power. You’re here to try and boo non-leftists off the stage, silencing the “other” by just parroting misinformation…all while saying everyone else is doing the same.

It’s not working.

As far as tastes in one’s mouth go, I’m rather sure your is full…full of my balls….

*laughing a little too much*

If we’re going to reduce this to your childish need to “win”…because you’re a beta loser who can’t find time to improve himself, but rather moonlights as either a direct or indirect propagandist for a rather corrupt and harmful set of ideologies, than let’s do it.

Better get those balls out of your mouth if you need to find all those improperly used big words you employ whenever we put you on the defensive.

Or you can just go to therapy before we do more psychological damage to you, little guy.

Your choice.