Poll: More than half of democrats in this country would flee rather than defend it in an invasion

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In World War II, Winston Churchill famously declared that “Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.” It appears that there may be even fewer to count on if a recent poll out this weekend is accurate. The Quinnipiac University poll asked Americans “what would you do if you were in the same position as Ukrainians are now, stay and fight or leave the country?” Only 55 percent said that they would stay and fight for this country. That included only 40 percent of Democrats. It appears that this country is facing an existential crisis of faith and we should have a frank discussion about why so comparably few Americans are now willing to pledge their lives in defense of this country.
 
Quinnipiac has long been relied upon in polling in the United States and is one of the most cited polling outfits for the media.
 
It is important to note that, while the results were shocking overall, many did say that they would stand and defend the United States from any invader. When asked this question 68 percent of Republicans and 57 percent of Independents say that they would fight. However more than half of Democrats (52%) said they would flee before fighting for their country (Eight percent did not have an answer, a shrug that is equally alarming).

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And, praytell, where would they flee away to?
Where, on this earth, would they be free to sit around all day and collect money for doing nothing but playing the victim?
It might be a real education to them to take a six month extended visit to their desired location to see how life really is there.

So, all we need to do to restore election integrity, patriotic love for the country, an end to the entitlement class, lowering crime, and restoring universal respect for the Constitution, we just have to create a credible rumor of an armed foreign invasion?

This is the result of the left’s indoctrination of children, which has permeated into higher education as well. This probably explains why the left is so unconcerned with bringing millions and millions of illegal immigrants into the US an exploiting them to change the entire character of the country.

Last edited 2 years ago by Just Plain Bill

Watch as the Jackass turns into a Chicken

Let all them flee I worry more about the calaborators that stay behind.

When they leave we can say Good Bye and Good Riddence they would be doing us a favor

Going to have to be in somewhere in range for their battery powered car.

CLASHING WITH AN INVADER: “SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO?”

In last week’s Human Events opinion piece, “Conundrums of Transatlantic Collective Security”, I asked the following:

“Yet what happens when a significant and influential movement within the United States believes our nation is systemically racist – ergo, evil – and must be radically retconned? …Who will defend – let alone die for – an allegedly foundationally-flawed, racist, repressive, inequitable nation they believe must be fundamentally transformed beyond all recognition? Indeed, how will the acolytes of the woke civil religion respond when a president asks them to defend our nation – as they believe it is, not as they wish it were?”  

In the interim between when those questions were written and when the piece was published, a March 7th Quinnipiac University poll (by Tim Malloy and Doug Schwartz with a margin of error of +/- 2.6) provided a clue as to an answer.

In a section headed “What Would Americans Do?”, respondents were asked: “What they would do if they were in the same position as Ukrainians are now: stay and fight or leave the country?”

In this hypothetical clash with an invader, the “should I stay or should I go?” responses likely will dispirit the citizens and allies of our free republic and encourage our enemies.

55% of Americans would stay and fight the invaders to defend our country. But a significant minority – 38% – would skedaddle and abandon America.  

Republicans, who largely view the nation as a force for moral good at home and abroad, are the political grouping most likely to fight off an invading force: 68%-25%. Independents are the next most likely to defend America by a margin of 57%-36%. In truth, neither of these margins is particularly heartening.  

But the worst is yet to come. Only a minority of Democrats would defend America against an invader by a margin of 40%-52%. (In a curious reversal in the phrasing of their results, the Quinnipiac pollsters put it this way: “Democrats say 52%-40% percent they would leave the country.”)

The Quinnipiac poll evokes echoes of Oxford’s King and Country Debate:

“It is remembered as ‘the King and Country Debate’, the most famous student debate in history. 9 February 1933 Oxford Union (the students of Oxford University in contentious mode) undertook to discuss the proposal ‘that this House will in no circumstances fight for its King and Country’. The expectations were that the proposal would be brushed away, but in a surprise result the Union voted 275 to 153 for the motion.”

As one might expect, a certain British parliamentarian assailed the result, averring the (motion supporting) students were “foolish boys” and the vote was “abject, squalid, shameless, and nauseating.”

In fairness to the Oxford students, the enemy at the time was presumed to be the Soviet Union, not the yet to be fully Nazified Germany. (That latter nation being the one Churchill was most gravely concerned about, even at that point in time.) Given socialism was British academia’s intellectual fashion of the day, the vote can be seen as an expression, however misguided, of youthful idealism by a handful of upper-class university students. That the vote was misinterpreted as redolent of more momentous import by both British leaders and their nation’s enemies and, later, was miscast in the mists of history as an expression of abject pacificism in the face of fascism, was unfortunate – though, perhaps, instructive.

While the current poll measures the attitudes of the three major blocs in American politics, not merely a handful of students, however elite, it remains a snapshot in time regarding opposition to an unnamed invader.  

In many ways, then, the poll question is not really about the faceless invader, but about how the respondent feels about our country. Perhaps the more interesting question was the one unasked of those who chose to flee: If our nation is invaded, where would you go? Any nation capable of invading and potentially subjugating America – the world’s sole super-power (at time of writing), can invade and exert its will over any nation on earth. This factor will undoubtedly change the calculus of the poll’s respondents. Thus, if in fact America is ever invaded by an actual enemy driven by its own political aims and ideology, the question will no longer be academic; and will ineluctably become a concrete choice between a future under the invader or under their fellow Americans. There will be no “safe space” to seek asylum. A practical people, Americans will make their decisions accordingly – and correctly.  

It is this realization that should hearten Americans. After all, despite living through the depths of the Great Depression and resisting the temptations of both fascism and socialism, America’s Greatest Generation left our shores to storm the shores and defeat our nation’s existential threats.

So, too, in the instance of the Oxford King and Country Debate, history has redeemed them, as their former antagonist turned champion, Churchill, later testified: “Little did [they] dream that they were destined quite soon to…prove themselves the finest generation ever bred in Britain.”

Let us pray we never see the day our nation is invaded. But, should it come, may history record that every American did their duty to defend “and nobly save…the last best hope of earth.

As he describes himself: The product of a misspent youth, the Hon. Thaddeus G. McCotter (M.C., Ret.) is a guitarist, author, occasional radio co-host, and recovering politician. He is a former U.S. Congressman from Michigan having represented that state’s 11th Congressional district from 2003-2012.

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We all know too well, biden would surrender without a fight. This is the reality we are currently in with an installed president who hates Americans and America. In many ways we are presently at war with the government given consent to govern us.

In a 1787 letter to William Stephens Smith, the son-in-law of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson used the phrase “tree of liberty”:

I do not know whether it is to yourself or Mr. Adams I am to give my thanks for the copy of the new constitution. I beg leave through you to place them where due. It will be yet three weeks before I shall receive them from America. There are very good articles in it: and very bad. I do not know which preponderate. What we have lately read in the history of Holland, in the chapter on the Stadtholder, would have sufficed to set me against a Chief magistrate eligible for a long duration, if I had ever been disposed towards one: and what we have always read of the elections of Polish kings should have forever excluded the idea of one continuable for life. Wonderful is the effect of impudent and persevering lying. The British ministry have so long hired their gazetteers to repeat and model into every form lies about our being in anarchy, that the world has at length believed them, the English nation has believed them, the ministers themselves have come to believe them, and what is more wonderful, we have believed them ourselves. Yet where does this anarchy exist? Where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? And can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it’s motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be 20. years without such a rebellion.1 The people can not be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had 13. states independant 11. years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure. Our Convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusets: and in the spur of the moment they are setting up a kite to keep the hen yard in order. I hope in god this article will be rectified before the new constitution is accepted.2

The bright side is that the most destructive to the US would leave. Only the most dedicated to freedom would remain.

Republicans and FOX News advocate sending military aircraft to Ukraine, attack Biden for failure to do so.

The President is trying contain Putin while avoiding WW3. If the President sends planes, these weasels and the FOX Fifth Column News Network will immediately begin attacking him for doing so.

It’s a wonder how the GOP is pivoting as public opinion shifts in favor of supporting Ukraine and Zelensky. Suddenly Biden is the guy letting Zelensky down, while the GOP and FOX are all self-righteous about their own support of Ukraine and it’s people.

Trump is nowhere to be seen at the moment. He’s watching to see which way the weather vane is pointing.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Holy Shit! i agree with you about the Rinos and Faux “news” Giving Zelenskis pilots clunker out dated aircraft ( the only kind they know how to fly) will give Putins pilots practice in real life air kills, if they are Nazis give them the old prop jobs, and balloons.

Devastating news on the economy

Producer Price Inflation Sets New Record at 10 Percent, No Relief in Sight

biden is an utter failure

I saw that how many properties in Russia do they own?

A remedy is coming, but nobody is going to like it: incremental increases of interest rates, until the rate of inflation drops. It’s long overdue. Incremental increases should have begun midway through the Trump administration, when the negative impact would have been far less. That, of course, would have dampened the binge. Now we’ve got to do it at the worse possible time, or risk a monetary crash.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

A remedy is coming, but nobody is going to like it:

That’s not the remedy idiot Biden is pushing. Idiot Biden wants to print another $4.5 trillion and dump it into the economy, the very stupidity that created the inflation (not Putin, idiot Biden’s economic policies). What caused energy costs to shoot up was idiot Biden’s assault on the energy industry, not Putin.

The remedy is coming this November and YOU ain’t gonna like it.

There’s truth in what you say, but if that were not done disaster would be immediate, and no one would be immune from the consequences.

There are no simple answers that don’t involve serious consequences.

Last edited 2 years ago by Greg

Biden Signs $1.5 Trillion Bill That Includes $13.6 Billion in Aid to Ukraine
This is the last thing that should have been done. No, nancy, increase spending does not reduce inflation.

On a related note, I saw my friend who lives in Kharkiv early this morning in a 10-second video clip he posted. He looks very worn down and very gaunt.

The people in the cities Putin has besieged are slowly starving. This is part of his methodology. Stalin did the same thing to Ukraine during 1932 and 1933, resulting in over 4 million Ukrainian deaths.

Make no mistake about what Putin is, what Putin brings, or where Putin will stop.

THIS IS A PUTIN TROLL SITE

Thank you for pointing that out.

They are being held hostage by the nazis who set fighters in apt buildings hospitals and schools. Just like the terrorists in palestine do using the populace as meat shields. Will the valiant fighters leave the city centers and meet the russian fighters outside the city, away from the old, the women, and children?
Once in a russian safe zone they are given food clothing and medicines, shipped by the ton from Russia.
If Zelensky would make concessions this would end.
The convoy was sitting in place waiting for negotiations to be successful, now the idiot will come to DC begging the US to crawl into his filthy Nazi bed.

Last edited 2 years ago by kitt

I hope you begged his forgiveness for supporting the incompetent, weak, corrupt idiot that made the invasion of his country possible.

Putin is waging the same type of war on the Ukrainians that he waged on the Wehrmacht, but without having suffered an invasion himself. He merely saw a door left open by the weak idiot Biden and casually walked through it.

That is not how he understands the situation, which he has been following closely for a long time now. Ukrainians have a very clear understanding of the situation.

Republicans and FOX News advocate sending military aircraft to Ukraine, attack Biden for failure to do so.

The President is trying contain Putin while avoiding WW3. 

Idiot Biden is showing Putin how weak and incompetent he is. Ukraine needs the air power. They could use all the hardware they can get their hands on to withstand a final push on Kyiv. The Ukrainians are very successful on the ground, but their air cover is insufficient. Idiot Biden, Blinken and the DoD can’t get their stories straight and have already made the US look incredibly weak and stupid. If idiot Biden was a leader, he’s be telling PUTIN what the consequences are instead of shivering in his basement every time Putin makes a head-fake at him.

Idiot Biden has put the world into a situation where there is no good solution. He needs to be smart enough to choose the least bad solution. He isn’t and he and all his advisors worry more about their investments and political futures to make the TOUGH decisions.

Fraud should NEVER be allowed to decide another election in the US. See the monumental damage it does? FINALLY?