Migrant Caravan: A Foreign-Financed, Leftist-Led Violation Of U.S. Sovereignty

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The so-called migrant caravan that’s slowly making its way to the U.S. from Central America is many things to many people. But one thing seems pretty certain: it’s not about seeking “asylum,” or “refugee status.” It’s about getting to the United States at all costs.

Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen on Sunday was blunt.  She said the caravan wending its way through Mexico to the U.S. is “not getting in.”



“There a legal way to get into this country,” she told Fox New Sunday. “Those who choose to enter illegally will be stopped.”

Even so, thousands continue on their way. They know from their fellow Central Americans or from their own experience that the U.S. is notoriously lax about its border controls. It does next to nothing once you get here.  Even those who are caught entering illegally get a legal slap on the wrist and an order to return to court for a deportation hearing. The vast majority never show  up. We do nothing.

Americans are, perhaps understandably, squeamish about all this. After all, what other nation has ever described itself as a “nation of immigrants” with such obvious pride? To push back a group of thousands who seek come here doesn’t feel right for some.

But it should.

Caravan Of Chaos

First is the ineluctable fact that a country that doesn’t protect its borders isn’t a country at all. We’ve said this many times before, but it bears repeating. Countries that can’t defend borders cease to exist, at least in any meaningful sense.

Second, the people coming here are being abetted by outside money and aid to create an embarrassing spectacle on our border right as our midterm elections hit.  Can there really be any other reason for the timing of this mass migration?

Writing for PJMedia, Rick Moran notes that “only about 1,700 of the estimated 7,000 Central American refugees in the caravan heading to the U.S. border have accepted an offer from the Mexican government for asylum.”

The offer shows Mexico is at least trying to help the U.S. to end this political travesty. Not only did Mexico’s government offer the migrants asylum in a country that speaks their language. It also offered them a host of benefits, including temporary ID cards, work permits, medical care, schooling and local housing. Only 23% took them up.

No, as repeated comments from caravan participants show, the U.S. is the promised land. It has more jobs, bigger welfare checks, and massive illegal communities just waiting to welcome the newcomers. The idea that this is about leaving political repression and gang violence doesn’t wash.

Foreign Help

So why do they keep going on their arduous trip? Obviously, they’re being aided. Vice President Pence said that Honduras President Juan Orlando Hernandez told him that the caravan had been “organized by leftist organizations and financed by Venezuela.”

Meanwhile, the U.N. is committing resources to the caravan. In essence, it uses U.S. taxpayers’ money to fund a violation of their own border. That way, the U.S. can join all the other countries with a mass immigration problem.

As the UN News service reported, “A priority for UNHCR (the UN’s refugee agency), which has mobilized extra staff and resources to help . Those making the journey in Mexico’s southern borderlands, is ensuring migrants are informed on their rights to asylum. In an agency video, a UNHCR protection associate said many migrants were simply unaware asylum was an option.”

In other words, the U.N. has set up shop in Mexico and is pushing these migrants to go to the U.S. Once again, the U.N. violates a member nation’s right to protect its own borders. Fortunately, President Trump is having none of it. He’ll send 5,200 troops to the border to stop the influx.

For those who have suggested Trump’s move is illegal under the “Posse Comitatus” Act of 1878, they’re wrong. That law’s letter and intent was to keep the U.S. from using federal military troops against its own citizens. No one intended for this law to force our borders open to those who would violate our sovereignty.

Media’s Misleading Narrative

By the way, the media’s non-stop focus on the families with children, while some of their stories are heartbreaking, is deceptive. As photos of the march clearly show, the bulk of the “asylum seekers” are young, working-age men. They’re not seeking “asylum.” They’re seeking jobs. And an unknown number are criminals, including murderous MS-13 thugs.

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@Jenny: The illegal and disqualifying act is committed before the child is born.

@Deplorable Me: Am I responsible for the actions of my parents?

@Deplorable Me: I am sure Jenny has advertised on Craigslist for a family to welcome into her home so she can feed, support and educate the kids, all on her dime, so no problem.

@kitt:

I am sure Jenny has advertised on Craigslist for a family to welcome into her home so she can feed, support and educate the kids, all on her dime, so no problem.

I wish I could. But I’m studying at UC Davis. Remember?

I have tutored children of illegal immigrants though. Sweet little things.

@Jenny: All children are sweet little things, so why do they want to push them and the women to the front of the caravan in case there is conflict at our border?
We simply cannot house the world, we have homeless and poor right here in the country, we are begging them come legally. We will need more immigrants to fill the jobs in our growing economy. Congress ie Ryan needs to get off its keesters on immigration. There have been some with legal status waiting for years to become citizens. It just should not cost thousands in legal fees and be dragged out for years.
How would you feel if they allowed thousands in that fit your major in school? Our IT grads face that headwind.

@Jenny:

@Deplorable Me: Am I responsible for the actions of my parents?

No, you aren’t, but that is in no way, shape or form the question. The question is, does a child born of people who are in this country illegally automatically receive citizenship? I know YOU did, as well as millions of others, but that doesn’t make it Constitutional. In fact, it in no way bestows the citizenship. It has an entirely different purpose.

I wish I could. But I’m studying at UC Davis. Remember?

Most people wish they could. Charity is a wonderful thing. But, like you, most people find their earnings going to things like their OWN families and are not capable of taking care of all the children in the world. Notice that there are many truly wealthy liberals that, while they think this is a great idea, do not sacrifice their own wealth for the benefit of these illegal immigrants.

@kitt:

All children are sweet little things, so why do they want to push them and the women to the front of the caravan in case there is conflict at our border?

1. Depends who’s “they”

2. Actually it’s older boys and young men who are at the front of the caravan. They can move faster than women and children.

@Jenny: A search to find who the organizers of the caravan are might be enlightening, no I wont do your homework for you.
Making excuses for not taking in these people personally, doesnt cut it, you just want others to pay for something
1. you havent researched ( how did they reach Mexico city and the US border so fast if they are walking with children)
2. are using feelings not facts to make a decision
3. Not willing or able to take personal responsibility for something YOU want. How about taking out personal loans?
Our country is heavily in debt, many states are in the same boat, are all these people able to support themselves can they fill out an application for employment, health checks, vaccinations who needs to pay for all that?
it takes 6 free market jobs to support 1 government job.

@kitt:

Making excuses for not taking in these people personally, doesnt cut it, you just want others to pay for something

Right back at ‘cha.

1. you havent researched ( how did they reach Mexico city and the US border so fast if they are walking with children)

Because it’s men and older boys who are traveling at the front of the caravan.

2. are using feelings not facts to make a decision

I’d change that to values.
Values are the basis for what emotions are felt and what facts are used.

3. Not willing or able to take personal responsibility for something YOU want. How about taking out personal loans?

You lost me.

@Deplorable Me:

No, you aren’t, but that is in no way, shape or form the question. The question is, does a child born of people who are in this country illegally automatically receive citizenship? I know YOU did, as well as millions of others, but that doesn’t make it Constitutional. In fact, it in no way bestows the citizenship. It has an entirely different purpose.

I’m not really sure about the constitution. All I can tell you is that, on a moral level, depending on a person’s values… it is merciful to give children the gift of U.S. citizenship, children who would otherwise have a life of poverty and persecution.

And I think that even IF children of illegal immigrants born in the United States are not granted U.S. Citizenship, there’s still the factor of poverty, persecution, gangs, cartels, etc driving people here.

I also think that illegal immigrantion is not the problem so much as it is a symptom of a greater humanitarian issue.

@Jenny: Illegal immigrants file tax returns? In order to file tax returns they must have a SSN, that means identity theft.
Do you understand that? Do you know that it is a crime?
You are right I lost you you are very very lost. We want ZERO illegal immigration, we want legal immigration, we want it to be easier to obtain a green card, we want it less expensive to retain a green card. We dont want people to overstay visas, nor allow so many work visas on jobs our college grads should be getting. Anyone and everyone was always able to get services free at the emergency room, it drives up healthcare costs for those that pay.
You are young you are not paying a great deal in taxes, you want to spend other peoples money because of your feelings, not based on facts.

@kitt:

Illegal immigrants file tax returns? In order to file tax returns they must have a SSN, that means identity theft.

Do you understand that? Do you know that it is a crime?

It’s against the law. Yes.
But Americans benefit from it whether it’s against the law or not.

You are right I lost you you are very very lost.

You lost me because you tend to go on these long rants that are all over the place with no clear sense of logic.

You were telling me take out loans when I was talking about the caravan. It made no sense.

We dont want people to overstay visas, nor allow so many work visas on jobs our college grads should be getting.

Work visas on jobs college grads should be getting? I never heard of that one.

As far as I know, the majority of illegal immigrants are landscape workers, janitors, house cleaners, or in the field picking crops.

I definitely don’t want to be doing that when I graduate.

Anyone and everyone was always able to get services free at the emergency room, it drives up healthcare costs for those that pay.

Money that is more than compensated in other ways.

You are young you are not paying a great deal in taxes, you want to spend other peoples money because of your feelings, not based on facts.

But you also want to spend money based on your values. Our values differ which is why we don’t see eye to eye.

By the way, the smoke out here in California from the fires is crazy dense.

@Jenny: you told me you could not afford to personally care for migrant families in your home, take out a loan to support them.

HB1 Work visas are granted to educated people from other countries so they can fill IT and engineering jobs, HB2 visas are for unskilled
Have you looked at legal immigration at all?
No those that show up in ER and dont pay can cause hospitals to go out of business, unless those costs can be transferred somehow. http://projects.latimes.com/hospitals/emergency-rooms/no/closed/list/

freebies and socialized medicine are closing hospitals Medicare and medicaid dont pay enough and the democrats want to expand it for everyone. Soon there will be insurance for all doctors for none.
My values are to try to save the future for the next highly but poorly educated.
Jenny be aware of evacuation notices, these fires are becoming more deadly by the minute.

@kitt:

you told me you could not afford to personally care for migrant families in your home, take out a loan to support them.

First, my family IS half migrant. My parents came here illegally to work. I was a surprise pregnancy.

My dad is now a legal citizen. My mom wasn’t so lucky.

Second, I can’t take out a loan because I don’t have a credit score whatsoever. But I would love to support my mother.

Unfortunately she is the one supporting me because I’ve had difficulties due to my bipolar disorder. Once I graduate and have a good paying job though, I will be the one supporting her.

Have you looked at legal immigration at all?

It would be nice. But it’s not that simple. Otherwise everyone would be legal.

@Jenny: Sad for you that your parents did not do it the right legal way. My brother married an english woman she has chosen to maintain her legal residency and not become a citizen. The service tries really hard to discourage the people from marrying foreign people. She has been here for over 40 years. My nephew paid thousands to get his wife from Okinawa legal into the states, she speaks 6 asian dialects he met her while she was legally attending college in Vegas when she graduated she went home. That is where they were married. So you see legal immigration is part of my life it isnt always easy or cheap, but when you have to work for it it means more, stealing residency is wrong, it hurts our country when people break the law, steal peoples identity and work for low wages or use children as slave labor hiding in the shadows.

@Jenny:

And I think that even IF children of illegal immigrants born in the United States are not granted U.S. Citizenship, there’s still the factor of poverty, persecution, gangs, cartels, etc driving people here.

Then instead of collecting up 12,000 strong and marching on the US border, they should march on their own capital and enact some change. The US send lots of money to those countries with the intent of helping those who are in poverty and persecuted, but the governments are too corrupt to use the money appropriately. Wouldn’t taking back their government for the good of all be the “MORAL” thing to do? Why is it up to the United States to provide all the morality for these people?

Once you get your education, are you going to return from whence your parents came and use that education to make conditions better there? Or, have you no mercy?

No, we have immigration laws for a reason and that is because 20,000,000 illegal immigrants, including criminals, gang members and drug dealers, is not good for our society, one we have WORKED to make what it is today. Citizenship to this country is not handed out on a “mercy” basis; it is on an EARNED basis. One way to earn it is to obey our laws, and crossing our borders illegally does not qualify.

You lost me because you tend to go on these long rants that are all over the place with no clear sense of logic.

Logic? Explain THIS logic, please: “It’s against the law. Yes.
But Americans benefit from it whether it’s against the law or not.”

As far as I know, the majority of illegal immigrants are landscape workers, janitors, house cleaners, or in the field picking crops.

I definitely don’t want to be doing that when I graduate. Wow. I’m pretty sure there is no mercy or morality contained in THAT statement. Is that what college teaches nowadays, exploitation of those in poverty?

Money that is more than compensated in other ways.

How?

But you also want to spend money based on your values. Our values differ which is why we don’t see eye to eye.

It’s OUR money. WE worked for it.

If the US simply allowed anyone and everyone to come here and survive on the American taxpayer, how long would this country be capable of providing those benefits to citizens and illegal immigrants alike?

@kitt:

@Jenny: Illegal immigrants file tax returns? In order to file tax returns they must have a SSN, that means identity theft.

Also, they don’t file to PAY taxes; they file to get a REFUND.

@Jenny: https://www.foxnews.com/us/undocumented-immigrant-released-from-jail-charged-in-triple-murder?fbclid=IwAR2Gq8miv2uGPM5EfQaKDZ23OPKNaOp_TLL3lAm908ombwke7RYf67QSc9I

You think these three or their loved ones share your view of “mercy”? Did this illegal immigrant show mercy? Did the liberals who allowed him to roam free show mercy? No, they showed a desire for political power at the cost of innocent citizens.

Three innocent lives…. lost for nothing.

@Deplorable Me:

Then instead of collecting up 12,000 strong and marching on the US border, they should march on their own capital and enact some change.

It would be fantastic if they could do so. But I don’t think it’s realistic.

Money that is more than compensated in other ways.

How?

Read the article.

Once you get your education, are you going to return from whence your parents came and use that education to make conditions better there? Or, have you no mercy?

I’m thinking about it. I’d just have figure out a way to adapt because I’m pretty Americanized.

Logic? Explain THIS logic, please: “It’s against the law. Yes.
But Americans benefit from it whether it’s against the law or not.”

What is there to explain? It is what it is. Read the article.

Wow. I’m pretty sure there is no mercy or morality contained in THAT statement. Is that what college teaches nowadays, exploitation of those in poverty?

How did you conclude that me being a landscape worker, house cleaner, janitor and working in the fields is being merciful? That doesn’t make any sense.

You think these three or their loved ones share your view of “mercy”? Did this illegal immigrant show mercy?

When I was taking about mercy, I was referring to granting citizenship to children born here, NOT illegal immigration of actual bad people. I agree. Keep them out.

@Jenny:

NOT illegal immigration of actual bad people. I agree. Keep them out. How do we sort them out? the are not here through a legal border crossing, then they have surprise pregnancies or come across and show up at a hospital with contractions.
It is a poor interpretation of a law, not as the law was ever intended.
Based on the NCES figures, the total 13-year public investment in the education of California’s Average Alex, adjusted for inflation, comes to about $122,000 per student did your parents pay that much in taxes for your “free public” education?

@Jenny:

It would be fantastic if they could do so. But I don’t think it’s realistic.

If they are not willing to clean up their own country, why in the HELL would we want them here?

I’m thinking about it. I’d just have figure out a way to adapt because I’m pretty Americanized.

You’re not THAT Americanized. You haven’t developed a pride and protective spirit for your country.

What is there to explain? It is what it is. Read the article.

No, explain how just because legal American citizens benefit from something they have worked for it makes sense for illegal immigrants to benefit from something they have not and do not contribute to?

How did you conclude that me being a landscape worker, house cleaner, janitor and working in the fields is being merciful? That doesn’t make any sense.

Now that you are an American citizen, it’s OK to exploit the poor of other countries. Hell, I’ve lived here all my life and I don’t accept that. I’m 65 years only and I have always mowed my own yard and done my own work.

When I was taking about mercy, I was referring to granting citizenship to children born here, NOT illegal immigration of actual bad people. I agree. Keep them out.

How can you keep them out when you let them all in without being vetted? Starting to get the picture now?

@Deplorable Me:

If they are not willing to clean up their own country, why in the HELL would we want them here?

For them to take on jobs such as picking crops that Americans don’t want to do?

I think setting up a government with a lot less corruption like ours requires a higher level of education, something the majority of illegal immigrants lack access to.

I don’t think it’s that they’re not willing.

You’re not THAT Americanized. You haven’t developed a pride and protective spirit for your country.

That’s your opinion. My point is that I am not adapted to living in Central America you doofus.

Now that you are an American citizen, it’s OK to exploit the poor of other countries. Hell, I’ve lived here all my life and I don’t accept that. I’m 65 years only and I have always mowed my own yard and done my own work.

Good for you? I’m sure you enjoy picking your own crops in the fields alongside the Central Americans that come into this country.

@Deplorable Me:

How can you keep them out when you let them all in without being vetted? Starting to get the picture now?

Note that I never said my stance on illegal immigration. It’s a complex issue in need of sophisticated solution. Just building a useless wall really isn’t going to work.

No, explain how just because legal American citizens benefit from something they have worked for it makes sense for illegal immigrants to benefit from something they have not and do not contribute to?

Illegal immigrants pay billion dollars in taxes that fund a lot of things.

@Jenny:

For them to take on jobs such as picking crops that Americans don’t want to do?

There aren’t 20,000,000 of those jobs. Migrant workers could immigrate legally, if we weren’t swamped with ILLEGAL immigrants. So, the illegal immigration works against the best interests of the honest, LEGAL immigrant.

That’s your opinion. My point is that I am not adapted to living in Central America you doofus.

No, that’s YOUR opinion, which you have expressed here. You have clearly stated that US citizens being murdered by illegal immigrants is a small price to pay for the benefits illegal immigrants gain. I doubt even the most ardent liberal US citizen supporter of illegal immigration shares that view.

Note that I never said my stance on illegal immigration. It’s a complex issue in need of sophisticated solution. Just building a useless wall really isn’t going to work.

Actually, you have (on a previous post) and a wall is most certainly NOT worthless, as has been proven everywhere they have been built.

Illegal immigrants pay billion dollars in taxes that fund a lot of things.

No, they don’t. In fact, they RECEIVE billions of dollars in IRS refunds in “child tax credits”. They are a net drag on the economy, sending hundreds of billions of dollars back home as taxpayers subsidize their life here.

@Deplorable Me:

There aren’t 20,000,000 of those jobs. Migrant workers could immigrate legally, if we weren’t swamped with ILLEGAL immigrants. So, the illegal immigration works against the best interests of the honest, LEGAL immigrant.

There aren’t 20,000,000 illegal immigrants here. There are only about 12 million.

No, that’s YOUR opinion, which you have expressed here. You have clearly stated that US citizens being murdered by illegal immigrants is a small price to pay for the benefits illegal immigrants gain. I doubt even the most ardent liberal US citizen supporter of illegal immigration shares that view.

1. Why should I believe that my life as an American citizen is more valuable or superior than one who is not?

A good human being is a good human being and their life is equally valuable. Regardless of nationality, race, economic status, etc.

2. I never stated to be a proud American. Not when this country’s history is tainted with the blood of millions of Native Americans, the abuse and violence towards slaves, and racists views of being superior than other ethnicities.

Proud of being American? Or arrogance? I prefer to have a spirit of humility.

@Jenny:

There aren’t 20,000,000 illegal immigrants here. There are only about 12 million.

How do we know? Have they signed in somewhere? Yet most recent accounts and estimates put it closer to 20 million.

1. Why should I believe that my life as an American citizen is more valuable or superior than one who is not?

That’s a good question. Sort of like what makes you think the life of an illegal immigrant is worth more than an innocent US citizen? However, you stated as much before.

2. I never stated to be a proud American. Not when this country’s history is tainted with the blood of millions of Native Americans, the abuse and violence towards slaves, and racists views of being superior than other ethnicities.

Yet, here you are, soaking up the good old US of A’s gravy. Terrible country, great benefits, huh? It’s a wonder 20 million people wanted to come here illegally, huh?

I guess humility comes pretty easy on the taxpayer funded gravy train.

@Deplorable Me:

That’s a good question. Sort of like what makes you think the life of an illegal immigrant is worth more than an innocent US citizen? However, you stated as much before.

They’re equal.

Terrible country, great benefits, huh? It’s a wonder 20 million people wanted to come here illegally, huh?

I guess humility comes pretty easy on the taxpayer funded gravy train.

I never said it was a terrible country, only that it has a pretty lousy history that is no reason to be proud of.

Yet, here you are, soaking up the good old US of A’s gravy.

I mean, where else am I supposed to go? My life is integrated into American society. Regardless of its history, regardless of my ancestry.

@Jenny:

They’re equal.

No, one belongs here and one is here illegally. So, when the illegal one kills the one that belongs here, it is an inequality.

I never said it was a terrible country, only that it has a pretty lousy history that is no reason to be proud of.

No reason to be proud of a country that invented personal freedom, a government that represents the people, sacrificed hundreds of thousands of lives for the freedom of people in other countries, put men on the moon, innovated thousands of vital technologies, machines and products, cured numerous diseases and protects millions of people all around the world? Yeah, I get it. Nothing but racism. That’s what it boils down to for people who are only here for the benefits. You may have papers, but you are no American.

I mean, where else am I supposed to go? My life is integrated into American society. Regardless of its history, regardless of my ancestry.

You might accept the enormous blessing you have been granted and not join those who support the ongoing destruction of the nation.

@Jenny:

I mean, where else am I supposed to go? My life is integrated into American society. Regardless of its history, regardless of my ancestry.

Oh, wow, were do you want me to start.

You speak of how your illegal mother is supporting you while you pursue a college education. So #1, your mother is taking employment that should be held by a legal resident of the U.S. and you, an anchor baby, is taking a slot at a university that should be held by another who was born of legal parents. So much for your b/s about equality of value.

It is people like you who think you are owed something that sours the rest of the nation on illegals, including my friends who are Tejanos. They despise you, in case you didn’t know that. You do not deserve to be here. Give up your place to some poor woman in Africa that will never know anything but poverty, hunger and watching her children die before their time.

I never stated to be a proud American. Not when this country’s history is tainted with the blood of millions of Native Americans,

Stuff it, little entitled anchor baby. Native Americans can speak for themselves and don’t need the misguided emotional rhetoric from the likes of you.

@retire05:

Stuff it, little entitled anchor baby. Native Americans can speak for themselves and don’t need the misguided emotional rhetoric from the likes of you.

Native Americans do speak for themselves. So you can go ahead and SHOVE it.

@Jenny:

Native Americans do speak for themselves. So you can go ahead and SHOVE it.

You can shove it. You are nothing more than a leech. My ancestors died on the Trail of Tears and I have a right to speak for them. YOU DON’T.

@Deplorable Me:

Yeah, I get it. Nothing but racism. That’s what it boils down to for people who are only here for the benefits. You may have papers, but you are no American.

I stopped being a proud American back in the 8th grade (2006) when I realized that many Americans actually HATED me and my parents.

You can take a look at retire05’s comments about tejanos despising me as a good example.

Am I supposed to be proud of the teachers that humiliated me and my friends in class back then because our parents were illegal?

What was I supposed to do?

@retire05: But I did speak for them. And there’s nothing you can do about it.

@Jenny:

I stopped being a proud American back in the 8th grade (2006) when I realized that many Americans
actually HATED me and my parents.

Imagine what the people who work and pay taxes and struggle to make their way think about supporting illegal immigrants that sponge off the American taxpayer so they have enough money to send back to the country they actually belong in. Then, imagine how these American taxpayers feel when their child is murdered by an illegal immigrant or killed by an illegal immigrant drunk driver. It’s wrong… dead wrong… to stereotype anyone based on the misdeeds of a few. Even an entire nation. But people base their prejudices on personal experiences… don’t they?

Am I supposed to be proud of the teachers that humiliated me and my friends in class back then because our parents were illegal?

Think of poorly paid teachers who have to teach in multiple languages and pace the curriculum on those who have to learn English AND the lessons. At what point in school did you learn what “illegal” meant?

What was I supposed to do?

You might consider that a large part of the hardships you encountered were due to the decisions of your parents, not how people react to their decisions.

@Jenny:

: But I did speak for them. And there’s nothing you can do about it.

No, you did not. You posted some video of a Native American who thinks HE speaks for all Native Americans. He doesn’t.

You speak for no one but yourself, and your dishonest, and illegal, mother.

I stopped being a proud American back in the 8th grade (2006) when I realized that many Americans
actually HATED me and my parents.

They didn’t hate you, they just didn’t respect you. No one respects the thief who breaks into their house. You are a leech and nothing you say now can change that. You need to leave the nation that you have such little regard for and find somewhere you are happy. Cuba, perhaps? Or how about this; go to Mexico and demand the benefits there that you think you are entitled to in the U.S.. Let us know how that works out.

@Deplorable Me:

It’s wrong… dead wrong… to stereotype anyone based on the misdeeds of a few. Even an entire nation. But people base their prejudices on personal experiences… don’t they?

Well, at least you see it.

Think of poorly paid teachers who have to teach in multiple languages and pace the curriculum on those who have to learn English AND the lessons. At what point in school did you learn what “illegal” meant?

Actually, the work is divided between a regular teacher and a bilingual one who teaches ELD classes strictly. *ELD = English Learning Development. I personally tested out of ELD because I learned English throughout my entire childhood.

And in regular classes, the teacher usually had a bilingual student translating to the new Spanish speaking student. I was a terrible translator though and usually abandoned it to save my learning.

I also never learned the term “illegal” in school. My father was the one who taught me that word and concept among a lot of other things that my school did not.

You might consider that a large part of the hardships you encountered were due to the decisions of your parents, not how people react to their decisions.

I do understand it now. But to whom do I attribute the hardships they suffered that drove them here in the first place? Many people don’t consider that.

@Jenny:

Well, at least you see it.

I do. Do you?

You provided a pretty good description of how and why our education system has gotten so expensive and is failing the students.

My father was the one who taught me that word and concept among a lot of other things that my school did not.

That might explain why you have such a warped concept of it.

But to whom do I attribute the hardships they suffered that drove them here in the first place? Many people don’t consider that.

That belongs to the government of the country of origin. I consider it; there is just a limited amount of ways we can address it, and taking on 20,000,000 of the byproduct is not one of them.

@Deplorable Me:

You provided a pretty good description of how and why our education system has gotten so expensive and is failing the students.

Failing the students? I’m not sure about that. I got a very good education. It didn’t fail me in the least.

That might explain why you have such a warped concept of it.

I guess. My younger sister has a more Republican view on it. So she convinced me on some points since our last discussion. This is why I’m saying I don’t have an actual stance on illegal immigration.

@Deplorable Me:

Jenny said:

But to whom do I attribute the hardships they suffered that drove them here in the first place? Many people don’t consider that.

When faced with hardships, Americans took those hardships on as a challenge and changed the situation. Apparently, those of Jenny’s ethnic heritage don’t have the cajones to fight for their own rights as free citizens.

@Jenny:

Failing the students? I’m not sure about that. I got a very good education. It didn’t fail me in the least.

From your remarks, World or US History wasn’t covered nearly as extensively as it should have. Racism and slaughtering Indians is hardly the sum total of the American experience.

@Deplorable Me: The proper term is Native Americans, not Indians. I know more American History than what I’ve mentioned of course. Like the Cult of Domesticity in the 1800’s… The Abolitionist movement… the Mexican American War… etc.

I should mention that in my community college, I didn’t take the second half of American History after the Civil War (it’s been a while since we covered it in high school).

That’s why I don’t think it’s a failure of the education system, it was just a personal choice. But like I said, the real reason I’m not a “proud” American is because of the rejection I encountered from American society.

@Jenny: If you KNEW anything about history, you would know the government killed “Indians” or “hostiles”, not “Native Americans”. That term is a later development.

I guess since your study of American History stopped at the Civil War, you don’t know what the 14th Amendment was for.

@Jenny:

The proper term is Native Americans, not Indians.

According to whom?

I know more American History than what I’ve mentioned of course.

Of the Zinn philosophy, I’m sure.

the real reason I’m not a super “proud” American is because of the rejection I encountered from American society.

Why be miserable? You are free to leave a nation you hold no pride for. Sneak into Mexico and let us know how that works out for you.

@Deplorable Me: I know it was a later developed. And that’s why I’m saying to use the proper term today when talking about Native Americans in the past.

I guess since your study of American History stopped at the Civil War, you don’t know what the 14th Amendment was for.

It IS to provide citizenship to ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States. They are under jurisdiction as a result (thereof).

In its historical context, it provided citizenship and protection to slaves and their children.

Still, it’s a law that was meant to stand regardless of historical and social contexts which are always bound to change. And it has always stood against those who want to deprive citizenship to those born in the United States.

@Jenny:

@Deplorable Me: I know it was a later developed. And that’s why I’m saying to use the proper term today when talking about Native Americans in the past.

Nope. Native Americans weren’t killed because that identity didn’t exist at the time.

It IS to provide citizenship to ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States. They are under jurisdiction as a result (thereof).

So, when your parents were living out of the view and reach of the government because they were here illegally and did not want to be detected, caught and deported, were they under the jurisdiction of the government? No, they weren’t for, if they were, they would have been back across the border.

Still, it’s a law that was meant to stand regardless of historical and social contexts which are always bound to change. And it has always stood against those who want to deprive citizenship to those born in the United States.

It’s going to be clarified to serve its original purpose and stop serving as a giant neon lure for illegal immigrants to come here so we taxpayers can pay for their babies and give the citizenship.

@Jenny:

I guess since your study of American History stopped at the Civil War, you don’t know what the 14th Amendment was for.

It IS to provide citizenship to ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States. They are under jurisdiction as a result (thereof).

Jeeze, you are stupid. Sue your teachers for failure to educate you.

@Deplorable Me:

It’s going to be clarified to serve its original purpose and stop serving as a giant neon lure for illegal immigrants to come here so we taxpayers can pay for their babies and give the citizenship.

“But, but, but…………………….humanity” cries Jenny, who feels she is “entitled.”

@Deplorable Me:

Nope. Native Americans weren’t killed because that identity didn’t exist at the time.

Just because a title didn’t exist, doesn’t mean they weren’t killed. They were killed.

So, when your parents were living out of the view and reach of the government because they were here illegally and did not want to be detected, caught and deported, were they under the jurisdiction of the government? No, they weren’t for, if they were, they would have been back across the border.

The 14th amendment wasn’t meant for my parents. They weren’t born in the United States. But I was so I am under the jurisdiction of the government.

It’s going to be clarified to serve its original purpose and stop serving as a giant neon lure for illegal immigrants to come here so we taxpayers can pay for their babies and give the citizenship.

Eh. That’ll be a tough one that’s for sure.

@Jenny:

The 14th amendment wasn’t meant for my parents. They weren’t born in the United States. But I was so I am under the jurisdiction of the government.

How long after they got here were you or your older siblings born?