Rick Moran @ PJ Media:
The New York Times headline is scary: “Federal Agents Unleash Militarized Crackdown on Portland.” They’re “unleashing” a “crackdown”? Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Naturally, the hysterical left is having a cow. While a decent argument could be made that even if Portland authorities aren’t doing their job, the feds should keep their nose out of local police matters, this is too much.
One protester, Mark Pettibone, told The Washington Post men in green military fatigues and generic “police” patches jumped out of an unmarked minivan early Wednesday and arrested him as he walked home from what he characterized as a peaceful protest. He told the Post he was scared because he did not know who detained him. Reports of similar incidents have drawn condemnation from civil rights groups.
Some Democratic officials accused the Trump administration of sending unidentifiable agents.
“Authoritarian governments, not democratic republics, send unmarked authorities after protesters,” said Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., on Twitter, along with a video of a protester being arrested and placed into an unmarked van. “These Trump/Barr tactics designed to eliminate any accountability are absolutely unacceptable in America, and must end.”
DHS says that’s nonsense, that their agents were uniformed and identified themselves. The spokesman said they weren’t wearing name badges because of fears for the agent’s personal safety. The same reasoning justifies an unmarked van. In a city where cop cars are being lit up like 4th of July fireworks, it’s a wise move to use an unmarked van.
The situation in Portland was bad — is bad. Federal property has been vandalized and destroyed. And since the local authorities appear powerless to stop the mayhem, someone in the federal government — presumably the president of the United States — decided that order had to be restored.
But is that really his job to do? Portland is not a federal city. It’s a city in the sovereign state of Oregon. The governor, the mayor, the chief of police, could put a stop to the demonstrations all by themselves. They are not powerless. But they have chosen not to.
It’s not for the president to say if it’s a wise choice or a good choice. That’s for the people of Oregon to decide. The local and state authorities have not requested federal assistance. They have, in fact, asked all federal law enforcement personnel to leave. They claim that the presence of federal law enforcement is not helping “to contain or de-escalate the situation it’s obviously having exactly the opposite impact,” according to Mayor Ted Wheeler.
Well, that may or may not be true. Wheeler doesn’t acknowledge the counter-argument that is equally valid; that doing nothing encourages the violence. Be that as it may, it’s still troubling that any federal law enforcement personnel are assigned to do anything more than protect federal property. These CPB agents appear to be ranging far afield to protect federal structures.
CBP agents were sent to Portland to protect federal property. Federal officers have charged at least 13 people with crimes related to the protests so far, Oregon Public Broadcasting reported Thursday. Some have been detained by the federal courthouse, which has been the scene of protests. But others were reportedly grabbed blocks away.
On Thursday night, federal officers reportedly deployed tear gas and fired non-lethal rounds into a crowd of protesters hours after Wolf’s visit.
Wheeler and local officials are deluding themselves if they think playing nice with anarchists and barbarians will do anything except encourage more violence and destruction.
Let the feds stand down.
Also let the federal taxpayers stand down from paying to repair all the damages these babies cause while their permissive mayors and governors allow them to run wild.
Fair is fair.
snowflake, lying, piece of feces mark pettibone is blowing smoke up the ass of the left. one must look at federal property and this is the crux of why there are federal troops in the area. these communists want to burn a store, loot and destroy black and which business, loot and destroy the baseball hall of fame to sell the morbilia is one thing. the line is crossed when the threat is made against a federal building or facility. communist rioters will be met with real tear gas, a variety of projectiles and depending upon the level of engagement, the non lethal projectiles will become very real bullets. 55 gr, 5.56 hollow point has a velocity of 3250 f/sec. with an energy of 1290 foot pounds. unlike the socialist, pedipile biden, impact sites are chest and head and not legs and feet.
-messing with federal building and property is going to get some of the communist rioters KILLED.
Love how those brave, courageous ANTIFA warriors all cower and cry whenever confronted by authority. Apparently they figured the blank check for violence the far left “leadership” of Washington and Oregon would just go on forever. Meanwhile, the government there assumes, as they did in Minnesota, that the US taxpayer would be more than happy to step up and foot the bill for their ineptitude and incompetence.
No, it’s time for the insurrections to end. It’s also clear it will take force to stop and prevent it.
The left tries the Hamas tactic of provoking a response with violence, then crying about the response. ANTIFA is cowardly and just evaporates in the face of opposition. Those officers won’t obligingly turn around and allow ANTIFA to clock them in the back of the head with bicycle locks.
@Deplorable Me:
when violence escalates to a federal level, people will die. as far as paying for the minneapolis and minnesota debauchery, the gov and mayor can pound sand. why should I pay for their inept, political stunts, and the idiot mayor of minneapolis thinks she is vp material.
Next time someone says Biden isnt for defunding the police He hired this disrespectful lil shit.
https://www.newsbreak.com/news/0PdUt5hy/biden-campaign-staffer-mocked-cops-as-worse-than-pigs-called-for-defunding-police
He is a mindless pawn or he is a violent insurrectionist
@kitt: Biden doesn’t know what he thinks until someone tells him.
Unidentified federal agents grabbing U.S. citizens without specifying charges and whisking them away to unknown locations in unmarked vans… Nothing wrong there, apparently…
That’s third world, banana republic police state behavior. We have no Gestapo in America. This is the sort of extra-judicial crap that people are protesting. Do you imagine it’s calculated to bolster trust in our police? If so, the calculation was made by a damn idiot.
Federal Law Enforcement Is Making Unconstitutional Arrests In Portland
@Greg:
comrade greggy-poo, a word of advice, never screw with the President of the US and never, ever screw with a federal agent during rioting periods as in portland. just think, you could be next. recall that they can hold all of these individuals on terrorism charges for 72 hrs w/o lawyer, phone call, just the bare essentials along with interrogation. under doj, interrogation techniques can become very rude.
You can also keep telling yourself that climate change is a hoax and COVID-19 is a leftist scam.
@Greg: the plan in Portland is always to allow a Gestapo fascists, aka antifa and BLM, to run amok until Federal forced intervened… At which time left wing nut jobs like you fallaciously accuse them of being Gestapo fascists.
Lol. Didn’t work.
@Nathan Blue, #10:
You have no effing clue who the unidentified “police” taking U.S. citizens off the streets in unmarked vans to unknown locations are, or under what imagined “legal authority” they’ve done so, do you?
Don’t feel bad. Neither do any of the lawful public officials in Oregon. That’s why the Oregon Attorney General is filing a law suit, and why the U.S. Attorney of the Oregon District has ordered an investigation.
This is probably some of Trump’s latest unconstitutional bullshit. It would be one more compelling reason to take Trump out in November. As if there weren’t more than enough already.
Unmarked vehicles, mini vans, so they could’nt be warned or blocked by groups of hood jumpers. Portland citizens have not had a nights peace in months.
https://twitter.com/Lori1981Ann1/status/1163228366440476672?s=20
Your media is not reporting the nightly riots
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1284453295722029056
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1284453295722029056.html
@Greg:
You have no clue, in general.
This was horribly telegraphed partisan rhetoric, that when Federal law enforcement finally did their job, Left-wing rags like the NYT would cry foul. The Left is Fascist, and looking to blame the right and Trump of being Fascist when they finally take action. Good one, bro.
They are not peaceful protestors, they are domestic insurgents. Funny how you’re not talking about the deaths, the businesses, the basic principle of law and order.
Trump has followed the Constitution, and defended it, much more than your idiot Democrats. It’s just a fact.
Using the law as a crutch while you simultaneously break it is the act of f*cking cowards.
Round them up. Now.
July 18, 2020 – Federal Officers Deployed in Portland Didn’t Have Proper Training, D.H.S. Memo Said – Rather than tamping down persistent protests in Portland, Ore., a militarized presence from federal officers seems to have re-energized them.
Of course it has reenergized them. That’s what any thoughtful person would expect to happen, since the repeated use of excessive force by police is what set the protests off to begin with.
Trump needs protests to continue, and the more disorderly the better, so that he can portray himself as the only thing standing between America and anarchy. He’ll play that card at every opportunity, even as his own bombastic commentary, thoughtless actions, and abysmal insensitivity to the underlying issues promote divisions and raise the levels of tension. What else is he going to pitch in his efforts to win reelection? The economy? His better and cheaper health care plan? Deficit reductions? His success at bringing COVID-19 under control? Improved foreign relations, and the reining in of Iran and North Korea? Draining the swamp?
The Trump tool responsible for the Portland Gestapo tactics is Chad Wolf, a former lobbyist having no apparent qualifications to serve as an Acting Head of Homeland Security. We’ve had five DHS heads since Trump was elected.
Wolf on Twitter, Friday:
You have no lawful “watch” on the streets in Portland, moron. The elected local and state authorities who declined your “offer”, and the local police who have stated they don’t want your people in their command centers, are those whose watch it is. You certainly have no lawful authority to order U.S. citizens snatched off the streets at will and hauled off to unknown locations in unmarked vans without specifying charges. Neither does your master.
July 18, 2020 – Federal Officers Deployed in Portland Didn’t Have Proper Training, D.H.S. Memo Said – Rather than tamping down persistent protests in Portland, Ore., a militarized presence from federal officers seems to have re-energized them.
NY slimes, hardly a reputable source for accurate information….
The family that owns The New York Times were slaveholders
One has to wonder how today’s rabid Fox News and OAN indoctrinated would have reacted in 2009 had Obama sent in storm troopers to round up teabaggers protesting against him to throw into vans and haul off to undisclosed locations- all at the objection of local governments.
Of course, the teabaggers of then now turned full blown glazed over, Heil Hitler saluting Trump enablers know no bounds of hypocrisy, nor do they care.
Removing vagrants disguised as peaceful protesters desecrating Federal property is in the best interest of normal Americans. These pukes are not the droids you are looking for.
This is not the future of a civilized society. But, vote for bumbling brain dead biden and this will be the new normal. Not only do these reprobates want the defund and abolish the police, they also want the same for the United States. Morons like ronald and greg support this bullshit because they themselves have not a principled value that would tell them ‘‘tis is wrong.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Please post a link to a TEA Party riot. You are an idiot and your point of view is irrational, uninformed and undergirded with lies.
@Greg:
They aren’t unidentified. And, at least they aren’t put on trial using nothing but hearsay and their defense is not allowed to present any evidence, as your beloved Democrats like to do. These are violent ANTIFA thugs that scurry away and cower whenever confronted with opposition. Anyone picked up in ANTIFA garb that had the clear intention of getting or was involved in the ongoing riots should be delivered to GITMO. They are nothing but terrorists.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protesters-police-precinct-chant-burn-it-down?fbclid=IwAR0OdqY3sEeIqOVxIUWLSTDr6K6ZsB7-y1ZFdPtac2CgOlF4DqmYIP-NigA
These aren’t just little kids walking around and getting arrested by mean old GESTAPO agents; they are violent thugs used to getting away with doing whatever they feel like. Just the sort of thing YOU support, like threatening children with death for wearing a MAGA cap.
Maybe it would be more acceptable to you if they were dressed in black, masked and ganging up to beat innocent people with chains and clubs. You seem to approve of that activity.
If the officers are “unidentified”, how do you know who they are and that they weren’t properly trained? Get caught lying much? Besides, how much training does it take to round up Mommy’s little basement dwellers that, when approached, simply tuck tail and cower? Now they fear being grounded and having their Nintendo taken away for a week.
That’s not true. The police want to go out and enforce the law. They want to protect the innocent citizens from the violent fascist thugs the Democrats so openly support and condone. It is the failed “leadership” of Portland and Oregon (as well as Washington) that prevents them from doing their JOB.
Well, for someone with “no qualifications”, he’s doing a great job. It doesn’t take a lot of training to enforce the law against rioting thugs.
@July 4th American: Wow. They hypocrisy of the NYT, who engaged in an open and determined campaign to do whatever it takes to paint Trump as a racist, to keep their slavery supporting past secret. Perhaps the paper should be liquidated and the money dolled out as reparations.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Since the Tea Party marches and protests were NEVER violent (except when the left sent SIEU thugs to attack them), I think we would have responded very openly in support of the Tea Party. Do you think peaceful protesters should be attacked?
@July 4th American
Case in point.
@Deplorable Me:
Yes
Wondering where is all of the uproar by social justice warriors at the NY slimes…
@Jim:
Typical Trump enabler response, unable to do a simple search engine search on their own (“tea party violence” Googles 35,400,000 results) with the only rebuttal of “you’re dumb so take that”.
@Deplorable Me:
No, I think it’s their very Constitutional rights. Obviously, Trump and his Brownshirts believe it depends on either the issue or the political ideology or even how it plays a role in the election.
@Ronald J. Ward: But you said Obama should have attacked Tea Party protesters, who were NEVER violent. They don’t compare to the violent ANTIFA thugs being rounded up in Portland.
@Jim: Ward couldnt even point to where a Tea Party protest left behind litter, often the grounds were cleaner than when they began. They did not protest against Obama, Caused by: Government spending and red tape, national debt, taxation do you think the actually blamed a president that had only been in office for a couple of months? By Barrys end of terms he certainly added plenty.
@July 4th American:
Okay, so you admit the removal of peaceful vagrants, or something.
To my knowledge, vagrancy is a misdemeanor enacted and/or enforced by local governments and is not a federal crime.
At what point do the feds come into a city unwelcome by the local government and remove those peaceful vagrants when they are, as you say, disguised as protesters? The alleged vagrants you speak of were picked up in the street and not in the process of destroying federal property.
What’s next, federal storm troopers infiltrating states and local governments and assaulting jay walkers?
Your argument is self defeating and nonsensical on the most elementary level.
Is there no limit to Trump trashing the Constitution that his cultists wouldn’t lie to defend him?
@Ronald J. Ward:
Yes the streets are for cars, at around 5 years old we teach children to go to a corner and safely cross a street. Not stop traffic bash on autos jump on the hoods threaten the drivers or shoot little black girls in the back seat.
Most jurisdictions consider the obstruction of traffic an illegal activity and have developed rules to prosecute those who block, obstruct, impede, or otherwise interfere with the normal flow of vehicular or pedestrian traffic upon a public street or highway.
July 10th ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. —A blocked ambulance is at the center of the latest flare-up between protesters and city officials over safely demonstrating and blocking traffic.
idiot.
@kitt:
Okay, so under Trump and only under Trump, we can add your advocacy of abolishing the 10th Amendment along with your previous list of the 1st and the 4th ?
@Ronald J. Ward: Lighting buildings on fire attacking people and destruction of public property is not a constitutional right.
QUOTE 1st amendment: the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress.
10th? So are the states to maintain and fund national parks that lie within their borders can they sell the land so it can be taxed as well?
4th thats really a dumb thing to bring up when dems are after Trump for his personal papers. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
What exactly does that have to do with lobbing explosives at police?
idiot.
What about the rights of the residents of those areas the rioters have decided belong to them.
@kitt:
You might want to broaden your knowledge of enumerated powers as you seem to be trying to selectively and obviously ignorantly pick the white out of chickenshit.
But I doubt you’d be interested in educating yourself, or accepting any educational knowledge that would expose any critical arguments of this administration as you’ve been specifically been instructed not to by none other than this administration.
@July 4th American, #16:
The New York Times is one of the nation’s most reputable sources of accurate and credible information. It’s on the right’s forbidden list for that very reason, as are most other long-recognized bastions of American journalism that presume to speak the truth about Donald Trump, those who empower him, and about the endless lies they they tell.
Your point being what? So were many of the Founding Fathers. So were some of the nation’s prominent religious leaders. Slavery was a legal American institution. A bloody Civil War that nearly destroyed the nation was necessary to purge ourselves of that evil. The consequences of racism and slavery still haunt us more than a century-and-a-half later. What matters now is what we are today, not what the generations that preceded us were. Our present day responsibility has to do with our own thoughts, words, and deeds.
From Southern Baptist Seminary Confronts History Of Slaveholding And ‘Deep Racism’:
If you’re going to condemn the Times today for what happened generations ago, you might as well do the same with Southern Baptists.
Of course, the right will immediately write NPR off as another disreputable source, as they do any credible source that speaks truths they don’t want to believe or hear. That’s a reflection on their own distorted views and values.
@Deplorable Me, #20:
Now they’ve been identified. When they were caught on video unlawfully grabbing people off the street they weren’t.
How do you know who all the individuals who were “arrested” are? The only reason you swallow such claims is because Trump and his flunkies are branding all protests as riots, and attributing every violent and unlawful act committed during the protests equally to everyone in the crowd. They’re labeling them collectively as anarchists and terrorists to promote fear and anger that can be politically exploited. This is no better and no more honest than proclaiming every policeman evil because there’s a small percentage of incompetents and bullying thugs somehow wearing the uniform.
I see AJ/Ward is as comically ignorant as he has always been. Federal buildings are Federal property and the President has all the right in the nation to defend the destruction of federal property.
Trump, and the DOJ, needs to declare Antifa a terrorist organization.
https://www.facebook.com/realAndyNgo/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARCoUuHBUkjNTsBl8eyJNQSRrcZH5E7tXC52PkV0-_Z5PcW9yrXL4wZK5TqEpNv5Yj0d54fHl8wyukb5
@retire05, #33:
Trump needs to be declared a national menace and removed from public office. Hopefully the sensible majority of American voters will prevail in November, and he will be.
When recently asked directly, Trump would not say whether he will accept the November election result. If you can’t see that as a danger flag, you’re part of the danger. He’s essentially saying he can’t guarantee that he’ll abide by the dictates of the U.S. Constitution and leave office if voted out.
This is right up there with McConnell openly admitting before the Senate impeachment trial that his oath regarding a fair and impartial trial was irrelevant, and that the outcome was already determined. Such astonishing statements are made, and hardly any self-described republican “patriots” even blink.
Sunday, July 19, 2020 – Trump refuses to commit to accepting election result as Biden enjoys poll lead
Comrade Greggie-Poo looooooves him some liberal left wing British press; except when it doesn’t agree with him and then he ignores it.
@retire05:
Your thumb is showing through a hole in one of your sock puppets again.
@Greg:
Nope, you’re still not too cute by half.
But YOU are the sock puppet who has been residing here for far too long and the only thing you know how to do is project.
FOX News, Sunday, July 19, 2020 – Trump pushes back against critics on coronavirus, addresses whether he will accept election results in exclusive interview
@Greg:
NYT is a left wing propaganda cesspool. A sewer of lies.
Oh, you think they went back in time and identified themselves? They were ALWAYS identified. Just more whiny, crybaby, liberal lies.
How do YOU know? They were were all dressed in ANTIFA garb running with ANTIFA thugs in the midst of ANTIFA riots.
Oh… you mean labeling an entire group as bad because of the actions of one or two is bad? Like you, the Democrats, ANTIFA, BLM all do with COPS? To promote fear and hatred of ALL cops? And then go out and ASSASSINATE them? Goddamn, you are a hypocrite.
Yeah, you tried that but rumor just wasn’t enough to get it done.
As opposed to Hot Air, PJ Media, The Daily Caller, FOX News, etc? That’s hilarious.
I don’t. And that’s the point, isn’t it? When there are legitimate arrests, they aren’t made by people wearing paramilitary gear without identifying badges, who haul people off to undisclosed locations in unmarked rented cars without stating charges or reading them their rights. That’s more reminiscent of an extrajudicial kidnapping than an arrest.
Want to increase hostility to the police? Do more of that. That leaves unanswered the question of whether it’s intentional provocation or abject stupidity. In the case of the Trump administration, it’s a coin flip. I half suspect it’s Trump’s need for a distraction and a means to fire up his crowd. It’s Trump or anarchy, you know. The Acting Director of DHS has said as much.
@Ronald J. Ward: #30I quoted text of the constitution is it beyond your comprehension, yes yes it is.
@Greg: Chucking the rioters in a van then I assume they are read their rights, you dont allow the mob to gather and attack while making an arrest. The rioters know what they did, lighting dumpsters on fire vandalizing police cars, arson of buildings do you think this isnt all being caught by drones? Tracking the perps by tracking their cell phones, why do you think some carry umbrellas? These are not the local yokels of Portland these are federal law enforcement agents with all the toys they use to bust big bad cartel members.
@Greg: Hey Stoopid
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@Greg: Pacific Coast coins This organization is not BBB accredited.
Dude like your endorsement for the Russian agent run Lincoln Project, you just prove you can never be trusted to tell the truth or ever check anything out.
From the NY times
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greg the imbecile says;
Is that not the position of the Marxist leftists? Is the NY slimes, who built their news empire on the backs of African slaves, to be excused for their past behavior?
The NY slimes not only ignored the mass genocide in Ukraine by being a sock puppet for Stalin, they also for al intent and purpose ignored the Holocaust thus supporting Adolf Hitler.
@Greg:
Yes, as opposed to sources that are not in the pocket of the Democrats and Soros. Exactly. You’re finally getting it.
BULLSHIT! All you and the left care about is continuing the Democrat policy of allowing fascist political violence against authority. When the Democrat government won’t act to protect federal property or the public, EXPECT a President that actually cares about the Constitution, justice and law and order to step in and do their job for them… because they are obviously incompetent.
These spoiled little mommy’s boys, useful idiots all, will not stop their rioting and looting until they are FORCED to stop. It doesn’t take much to stop them; mostly just appear and ANTIFA runs away.
The officers were identified with everything but their names.
Had Trump not sent in persons to save the federal buildings , they would screech his abandonment of Portland citizens, the old heads I win tails you lose as always.
@kitt: In Democrat cities, Trump is the only leader they have.
@Deplorable Me: Joe Biden is formally being listed as a criminal suspect by high level Ukraine government officials, in a major case involving his son – Hunter.
Off topic but interesting.
The federal Judge that just had her son killed and hubby shot by a guy posing as a fed ex delivery man is Salas, the judge presiding over the class-action lawsuit against Deutsche Bank (Karimi v. Deutsche Bank Aktiengesellschaft et al.), which alleges that Deutsche Bank had poor financial reporting practices and made misleading statements to securities investors, resulting from Deutsche Bank’s desire to obscure its anti-money laundering deficiencies and its poor monitoring of high-risk customers such as Jeffrey Epstein, Danske Bank in Estonia, and FBME Bank
Fun Monday facts.
This is a calculated escalation:
July 20, 2020 – Federal officers again tear-gas protesters in Portland, Oregon
And this is likely the beginning of a setup for even more:
July 20, 2020 – Homeland Security making plans to deploy some 150 agents in Chicago this week, with scope of duty unknown
Trump is making a dangerous situation far more dangerous. He has surrounded himself with sycophants who aren’t going to tell him that. The results could be disastrous.