by Ace
No Proof January 6 Was an ‘Armed Insurrection’
Not one person has been charged with possessing or using a gun inside the Capitol. Further, no one even has been identified as carrying a gun inside the building.By Julie Kelly
February 19, 2021
Since the Justice Department launched its nationwide manhunt to track down and arrest anyone involved with the Capitol breach on January 6, hundreds of perpetrators have been arrested.
Most face misdemeanor charges for trespassing or disorderly conduct, but dozens are in jail and denied bond for the thoughtcrime of believing the 2020 presidential election wasn’t on the up-and-up. The acting U.S. attorney general overseeing the investigation promises to apprehend hundreds more, however, it’s been two weeks since authorities have arrested anyone in connection to the probe.
…Hundreds of crazed Trumpists carrying deadly weapons, the public believes, stormed the Capitol to injure or kill senators, representatives, and even Vice President Mike Pence in order to avenge a “stolen” election.
Most news outlets–as they did with the coverage of Sicknick’s death–unflinchingly repeat the “armed insurrection” trope, which can be traced back to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s January 7 press conference. “[Y[esterday, the President of the United States incited an armed insurrection against America, the gleeful desecration of the US Capitol…and the violence targeting Congress are horrors that will forever stay in our nation’s history,” Pelosi ranted.
…When a thinking person hears the word “armed,” he usually thinks of a firearm, or a gun. Yet here is how the Justice Department describes the trove of deadly weapons seen at the Capitol that day: “During the course of the violent protests, several violent protestors were armed with weapons including bats, pepper spray, sticks, zip ties, as well as bulletproof vests and anti-tear gas masks.” (The zip ties, it’s important to note, weren’t brought into the building by Trumpists but by law enforcement officials.)
Vests and gas masks are “weapons,” now, as far as the feds are concerned?
…But so far, just two people have been charged with unlawful possession of a firearm–and there’s no proof either man “breached” the Capitol let alone threatened lawmakers as part of a coordinated, armed insurrection.
…Only one defendant had a handgun on his person outside the building hours after the “insurrection” ended. The other defendant had two guns on his person but investigators don’t allege he was inside the Capitol on January 6.
Read the whole thing. She notes the feds are claiming a helmet is a weapon, because the helmet was used to break a window.
This is an occupation government. This is a lying, brazenly corrupt repressive government. It is not of the people, nor by the people, and certainly not for the people.
She spoke with Tucker Carlson about this last night. Video below.
By the way, Brian Sicknick’s family say is is their understanding that he died of a stroke, not due to a Magic Bullet fire extinguisher, though the feds continue to block them from getting an official medical report.
Once again, if the Democrats actually think the Capital riot was so terrible, why do they have to LIE about it? Is LYING the only thing they feel works for them?
Its all about Gun Control and Gun Confiscation by Biden and his fellow Democ-Rats as part of the Small Arms Control Treaty signed by Democrat and American Traitor John Kerry and the Useless Nations as well Biden the Worst will use this as a excuse
A conservative “D” said in 1940, The Government is THE PROBLEM!”!. He later repeated “government is the problem!” over 100 times as a Rep! In 1982 SotU Address!
Disclimer: I watched THE SPEECH 10/64 and as a conservative D voted Barry! No remorse. Barry was clearly better for Americans than LBJ!
The legal definition of arms, per Black’s Law Dictionary:
Note that you can be found guilt of armed robbery if the robbery is committed using any object able to inflict physical injury as an instrument of threat and intimidation. It doesn’t necessarily mean you robbed someone at gunpoint.
You can arm yourself with any potential weapon. If you attack a policeman with a flagpole, you have engaged in an armed attack. If you’re carrying a flag on a pole tipped with a spearhead, you are sure as hell armed. If you’re swinging a hockey stick, spraying bear spray, packing a knife, or carrying a stun gun or baseball bat, the law will consider you armed.
It doesn’t make a damn bit of difference what some right-wing airhead like Julie Kelly “usually thinks of” when she hears the word “arms” or “armed”. What it means is defined by law, and there’s nothing remotely new about the definition. If you’re a Capitol Policeman who has been pulled from the doorway you were defending, dragged down the steps, and repeatedly beaten with a flag poll, a crutch, or a hockey stick, you have been the subject of an armed attack. A violent mob using such weapons is an armed mob. When their objective is to invade the Capitol Building to stop a constitutional process related to an election and the peaceful transfer of power in accordance with its results, they’re engaging in an armed insurrection. People died because of it and many more could have.
@Greg: So they came armed with crutches…got it. They planned a government take over and brought flagpoles not even muskets…sure. hence turning DC into what it looks like today. You know it sounds insane dont you? American civilians 600 million guns maybe more, We send a Organic dude who plays a shaman with a spear cause he spent his money on tattoos not even a daisy red rider, cause mamas boy from the basement would shoot his eye out.
More likely triggered by shortages of porta potties and trash cans than Dons Speech.
@Greg: So that means every BLM/ANTIFA riot has been an armed attack against police, federal property and citizens. So… where is the Democrat outrage? Where are the investigations, the FBI pulling Democrat phone records to see who is connected to whom in BLM and ANTIFA? Where is the action against leftist terrorism that IS NOT A THEORY, like “white supremacy” but is actually HAPPENING?
Oh. Really. But if some guy thinks Trump means “attack the capital” when he SAYS “Peacefully march and let your voice be heard.” it is Trump inciting violence? You need to get your points straight.
Putting the idiot Biden in the White House was anything BUT Constitutional. It was clearly fraud.
@kitt, #5:
They came armed with stupidity and the anger of an infantile personality throwing a tantrum because he was soundly rejected by an 8-million-vote majority. They were intent on stopping a lawful constitutional process by unconstitutional, unlawful means. For a time, they actually did so. They turned objects into weapons which they used in armed attacks. The beatings and injuries inflicted on Capitol Police with them were not imaginary. There is evidence that this was planned, not spontaneous.
This was, by legal definition, an attempt at armed insurrection. The electoral college count was in fact disrupted. Elected officials were, in fact, in fear for their safety and lives, and legitimately so. Deadly force was used to hold the attackers back. Several Capitol Police officers truly are dead as a result of what happened.
@Deplorable Me, #6:
If you throw a brick at a policeman, you have committed an armed attack. If taken into custody, you can be charged and found guilty. It doesn’t really matter who you are or what your excuse might be.
Taking over the Capitol Building by force, viciously beating police officers while doing so, interrupting a constitutional process with the intent of nullifying the results of a presidential election, searching for the Vice President in the hallways and chambers while chanting for his lynching, invading congressional offices in an effort to hunt down elected officials—this is all an entirely different order of criminal behavior. It’s an attempt at armed insurrection, by definition.
With respect to Donald Trump—the most patently unfit individual ever to have been elected to the highest office in the land—its consequences as a political crime are specifically addressed in Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment. He should never again be allowed to hold public office.
Elected Senate Republicans have failed in their duty to hold this man in check not once, but twice. They have broken their own oaths on the pretense of protecting the Constitution that they have in fact betrayed. They have ostensibly placed party ahead of nation—which would itself be a thing worthy of condemnation—but in fact have also betrayed their party to a populace cult figure who isn’t fit to be elected as a dog catcher.
Stupidest question of the day, from Senator Ron Johnson: “What would make you think they were Trump supporters?”
@Greg: Cause CNN and NBC paid 70K to an Antifa BLM terrorist for his Capitol footage?
@Greg:
It was PROVEN there was NO connection between Trump and the Capital riot. It bore more shared characteristics to a BLM/ANTIFA operation than any Trump rally.
By WHAT definition? Where is your proof of their goal? Where is your proof it was organized, with a leader (aside from Sullivan)? How about some proof of your accusations?
We should have more “unfit” leaders like Trump. He accomplished more for this country and the citizens than any other President in recent history. He did this DESPITE anti-American Democrats working against him and the American people the entire time. There were NO accusations against him that were not complete lies. Yeah, I’ll take “unfit” every time over corrupt and incompetent, which was what we saw during the Obama and so far in the idiot Biden administrations.
BLM/ANTIFA have tried to KILL policemen. BLM have ambushed and murdered policemen. They have looted businesses, tried to destroy federal courthouses and actually taken control of areas of cities. Yet you simply pretend it doesn’t happen. You may not be able to understand it, but this INFURIATES loyal Americans. To the extent any patriots were involved in the riot, THIS is why. You Democrats endorse and condone violence, corruption and fraud. You are causing the unrest, not Trump. He is the stabilizing force.
Nothing of the sort has been proven. Reasonable observers realize there’s an obvious connection, even if no criminal liability can ever be clearly established.
Had Trump and his accomplices not actively promoted the lie that the election was stolen, continued to pitch this total bullshit to a rally crowd that they deliberately helped to gather on the day of the electoral college count, and then told them to march on the Capitol where they could somehow intervene when there was no lawful way to do so, what followed never would have happened.
The lie cannot be allowed to stand.
@Greg:
You should check again. Lack of proof in the affirmative proves the negative. You accused Trump of inciting the riot and you had no proof of it while Trump’s team PROVED the accusations applied more to Democrats than to Trump. In case you missed it, the Senate failed to convict, so… innocent of charges.
You are going to have to prove that. Prove the election was not stolen. However, I would agree that had the Democrats not utilized so much fraud and rubbed it in everyone’s faces, the riot probably wouldn’t have happened. So, I guess responsibility for that falls on YOU.
@Greg:
Everything of the sort has been proven, Zhang.
Prove me wrong.
@Greg:
Glad we agree on the forcible and military-grade removal of dictator Biden from “office”.
Elections must be won.
@Deplorable Me, #13:
So how does that “logic” apply in the case of Trump’s crackpot claim that he actually won the 2020 presidential election by a landslide?
No one has ever managed to come up with a shred of credible evidence that any significant level of voter fraud occurred anywhere in the 2020 presidential election.
@Greg: The means and methods were layed out by Time Magazine. If only the ballots legally cast were counted Trump Wins. There are 2 security films one from MI and one from GA where questionable activities are shown.
You cannot say there is no credible evidence, you have not looked at any of it. Your sources have just kept repeating what you keep repeating.
Republicans allowed 3 years and millions of tax dollars fr an investigation into 2016 election, now questioning it is domestic terrorism?
@Greg:
First, that wasn’t the accusation he was impeached for. He was impeached for “inciting an insurrection”, which he most absolutely DID NOT DO in any way, form, fashion or stretch of the imagination. As to the claims about the election, Trump’s claims are as valid as Biden’s. In the absence of any on the left interested in examining the facts and finding the truth (you HATE the truth), his claim is as valid as any. There is also evidence to support it.
I have provided many, many, MANY “shreds” of evidence. Just for one, you nor anyone else has ever offered a “shred” of evidence explaining the shenanigans at the State Farm center in Atlanta. No valid defense for illegally changing election rules in Pennsylvania. Democrats blocking every effort to examine ballots, tabulating machines and reconciliation is incriminating. If you or anyone else is interested in declaring there was no fraud, you need to address the EVIDENCE and accusations and dispel them. Remember, you have all DESTROYED your credibility by supporting Russian collusion, impeachments, Hillary’s lies, Obama’s lies and the idiot Biden’s lies.
Speaking of a total, complete and utter lack of credibility, do you actually believe that a group of people planned an insurrection to take over the Capital of the United States by “armed insurrection” but the forgot to bring any “arms”? For example, when BLM/ANTIFA gather to try to take over a police station or federal courthouse, they bring clubs, mortars, chains, knives, guns and shields. When they took over 6 downtown blocks of Portland, they brought lots of weapons, including guns. Your (and the rest of the liars’) argument lacks ANY logic.
@Deplorable Me:
Had Trump not behaved as he did and persisted in telling his lies about a stolen election, a violent mob of Trump supporters would not have taken over the Capitol Building by force in an effort to stop the count of electoral votes. None of it would have happened, had he and his cohorts not deliberately incited it. To my way of thinking, that makes him responsible.
That’s total horseshit. Trump’s claims about massive election fraud have no validity whatsoever. More than 60 individual judges have evaluated as many lawsuits in connection with his bullshit claims and determined they there was no basis for them. Trump is a proven liar. He doesn’t just lie on occasion, he lies constantly. There’s no credible evidence supporting his ridiculous claims. He was rejected by a margin of nearly 8 million popular votes—a margin far larger than his nearly 3 million popular vote loss in 2016. Even more voters disliked him after 4 years in office than disliked him to begin with. Most who dislike him don’t dislike just a little; they dislike him a lot. He brought many people out primarily to vote against him. It’s as simple as that.
Biden makes no claims. He’s President because 50 individual states, whether controlled by republicans and democrats, certified their election results in accordance with their own state constitutions and laws. Biden didn’t argue or pressure them into doing this. He had no incumbent powers of office to bring to bear. His inauguration was the outcome that normal, lawful, constitutional processes resulted in, finally overcoming unusual and in some cases unlawful resistance.
There’s nothing left politically of Trump but a divisive, destructive force. He still has the power to intimidate, but he’s a losing proposition. If you want to waste loyalty, energy, and money on a losing proposition, that’s up to you.
@Greg:
If you truly believe that, then you have to accept that Hillary, et al, continually saying that Trump was an “illegitimate” president FOR FOUR LONG YEARS instigated the burning, looting and murder we saw in our city streets all last year. You have to admit that Maxine Waters and Cory Booker telling people to “get up in their faces” (meaning Republicans) incited burning, looting and murdering in our city streets.
But you won’t.
You hold others to standards you do not hold your side to.
You’re as batshit crazy as your buttbuddy, Ward/AJ.
I don’t know why you even bother with such idiotic claims of equivalency.
Hillary Clinton publicly conceded Trump’s electoral victory in the early hours of the morning following the election, despite the fact that she carried the popular election by a wide margin.
@Greg:
Then why did Hillary say that Trump was an “illegitimate” president almost three years later? If she conceded to Trump, he won and was NOT illegitimate.
See, you can’t even back up the idiocy of your own party.
@Greg:
Sure. I’ll leave a blank space below for you to provide your proof. The same argument can be made that had the Democrats not committed massive election fraud OR had they bothered to address any of the evidence seriously and actually provide the proof that disproves the accusations, none of this would have happened.
No. It isn’t. Just saying fraud never happened and doesn’t exist, particularly when those making the claims are the same people who have promoted EVERY lie they could find to attack Trump, doesn’t make it so. PROVE it didn’t happen by PROVING the evidence is either fabricated or means something completely different. But, you don’t. Thus, confidence in our elections is wrecked, respect for the idiot Biden is destroyed and there is no belief the election was legitimate. Republicans think it was a fraud and Democrats simply believe they got away with it.
Meaningless. Due to the fraud, we don’t know what the spread was. More than likely, the idiot Biden, who couldn’t get the nomination until the DNC forced everyone else out, and his VP, who never won a single primary and had support in the single digits, garnered maybe 60 million votes. Trump won an enormous landslide. Want to prove me wrong? Examine all the evidence of fraud and prove them wrong.
But she, up to the day of the election 4 years later, called Trump’s election illegitimate and claimed the Russians, the very people that helped HER gather her anti-Trump lies, stole the election from her. And then violence ensued. Therefore, by your very logic, ALL the violence was HER fault and would never have happened if she hadn’t lied about the 2016 election. Maybe if you CAPITALIZED in bold, we might believe you actually believe that shit yourself.
@retire05:
Well, first Greg would have to be honest enough to admit the violent left wing rampage actually happened. For a left wing mouthpiece, that is forbidden.