by Sundance
The next Democrat and Lincoln Project presidential candidate for ¹2024, Joe Manchin, questions Defense Intel Agency (DIA) Director Lt. Gen. Scott Berrier and Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Avril Haines about whether Ukraine can actually win the current war with Russia. It’s an interesting exchange because none of the DeceptiCon senators will usually approach the issue.
Lt General Scott Berrier (DIA) says [00:56], “that is a difficult predication to make. I think where the [DIA assessment] is at is a prolonged stalemate should no factor change on either side. In other words, the Russians continue to do what they’re doing, and we continue to do what we are doing for the Ukranians.” Read that emphasis carefully.
What Berrier is saying is affirming we are in a direct proxy war. So long as the United States remains the essential fighting force behind the Ukrainian military, they can achieve a stalemate. However, if the United States withdraws support, Russia will win. DIA Berrier is saying directly the U.S. can only achieve a stalemate in Ukraine. WATCH:
Manchin was not being misogynistic in not asking Haines that question. Remember, the ODNI is only supposed to be faced internally into the United States security and intelligence operations. ODNI Avril Haines is a political operative from the Obama administration, specifically implanted into the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, because that specific element of the intelligence apparatus only looks inward into the U.S. citizenry for threats against government.
American babies disguise themselves as Ukrainian soldiers to get federal aid.
This is Vietnam 2.0 well done morons. The indigenous people there were supposed to fight that one too.
Every conflict since WW 2 have been “limited engagement” conflicts, which means that political considerations outweighed military considerations. In Korea, McArthur was fired because of a dispute over this with Truman. Viet Nam could have been decisively won by 1967 if we went all in, but the democrat/communist protests spooked Johnson and then Nixon. The Desert Storm military planners were ready to go all the way to Baghdad, but Bush 1 decided against it (probably a good decision).
The post-9/11 Iraq war was probably the most idiotic war in American history, because Iraq had zero involvement in 9/11, and it ended up destabilizing the entire Middle East, not to mention the loss of life and treasury. 9 trillion dollars and 20 years and no enduring benefit. The Afghanistan war made sense, because that was the base for 9/11, but again there was never any real achievable objective, save for revenge. The Afghanistan surrender and retreat by biden was a disgrace. The surrender on the Missouri in Tokyo Bay was the last one.
The Chinese and Russians are baiting America and allies into depleting stockpiles of arms, fuel and cash in the Ukraine…The real objective maybe Taiwan and disputed islands north of Japan…
We are in a proxy war with Russia because Biden and other corrupt politicians need to keep Ukraine quiet about their cash cow over there. Just think. One corrupt POS invaded another corrupt POS and now another corrupt POS is sending billions in tax dollars over there to keep that corrupt POS quiet. It’s called hush money.
Like ducks in a shooting gallery: 05/10/22 – Column of Russian tanks destroyed by Ukrainian missile squad
Russia is winning this war. You’re a paid troll, and you know nothing of Putin or Russia.
Dashcam footage: 05/12/22 – Russian tank explodes hurling turret 250 ft into the air after Ukrainian missile strike
It might have been careless smoking—or it might have been your tax dollars at work.
05/10/22 – The Russians aren’t taking their dead when they leave. Putin killed them. Your definition of “winning” is very odd.
05/12/22 – Russian army ‘lose entire battalion’ trying to cross Ukraine bridge
biden is guilty of treason
We cannot afford this proxy war, we are broke and soon our credit card might come up declined.
America and the West can’t afford NOT to see Putin defeated.
Russia is stealing Ukraine’s grain and trying to sell it to other countries
He’s trying to profit by creating a famine. Millions could die, and most won’t even be in Ukraine. Does the fact that we’re in a proxy war with this monster come as some sort of revelation to anybody? We should only hope that it STAYS a proxy war.
Biden and the installed administration botched decades of successful foreign policy by letting Putin invade Ukraine.
Putin WAS defeated. The inept Democrats and globalists have gambled with everyone’s lives.
The China/Russia/Iran/NK Axis is unlike any threat America has faced. They would win in a nuclear war.
Now shut the fuck up with your paid troll bullshit. You idiots have started WWIII.
Russia wants an Empire. It’s on. Nothing short of either fighting them….for real….or simply rolling over like Biden is doing….will stop them.
You jerkoffs have killed millions. I hope you are held accountable.
Somebody in Russia is going to remove Vladimir Putin from the equation.
And that won’t stop a damn thing…
Cutting off the head of a snake generally stops it. Hopefully Putin’s medical issue will save someone the trouble.
You’re the snake.
Your silly propaganda hope in seeding the idea this is just one guy is getting pathetic.
Someone can kill Putin…
AND THAT WON’T STOP A GODDAMN THING.
You might want to know a little about second under Putin before you say you want him assassinated. The taxman was chosen for a reason.
What medical issue?
Nobody would win a nuclear war.
A patently false statement. The 80s called. They want their MAD rhetoric back.
Right now, America would lose a nuclear war with Russia/China/NK/Iran.
You really don’t know squat, do you? There would be nothing left but the rats and cockroaches. I don’t know where such abysmal cluelessness comes from.
You know nothing, and you really need to evaluate just how worthless your understanding of the world is, even if you are paid to spread it like shit, Bannon-style.
Right now, America would lose a nuclear war with Russia/China/NK/Iran.
Prove me wrong, with actual debate and not “everyone will lose.”
I don’t have to disprove anyone’s patently absurd assertions.
That’s what I thought. No ideas, no debate, no intelligence.
Just paid propaganda with weak deflections.
Russia is winning this war, and has no reason to fear the USA. That’s the truth.
Haha. I saw that on Twitter. It’s amazing, because it’s so long-winded, so blusterous but doesn’t actually say anything.
You’re certainly not holding any line at all.
And Biden? He failed to hold the line against Putin, who saw his time to invade.
If you are truly “sick of the bullshit,” then leave….assuming you’re actually American. I know very few Hooseirs would tolerate a Leftwing fuck like you, so…I’m still betting on Central Europe.
It’s being held in Ukraine while you provide Fifth Column support for Putin, beta boy.
I supported policies that kept Putin in check.
You supported letting him out.
Fifth Column, indeed. You. Putin should send you a thank you card.
Your CURRENT posts are OBVIOUSLY providing aid and comfort to Vladimir Putin, an enemy of America.
Your CURRENT posts are OBVIOUSLY providing aid and comfort to Ukrainian NAZI’s.
Thanks to Rand Paul for slowing down the wasteful spending of 40 billion to the oligarchs of Ukraine.
America 1st
“Prove me wrong, with actual debate and not ‘everyone will lose.’”
In this thread, your contribution to the discussion—your version of “actual debate”—is, essentially, “Nuh-uh! You’re wrong and stupid!”
Perhaps you could set a positive example by digging up some reputable sources that contradict what Greg is saying.
Michael, when I want lip from you, I’ll rattle my zipper. “Nuh-uh” is THE ONLY THING you ever say, so please….shut the fuck up.
greg is paid troll who word for word transcribes whatever Leftwing “thing” is directed to the mob via mass hysteria. He’s defense of the Ukraine War is troubling, and he can NEVER offer anything to justify his claims.
And stop with the “sources” bullshit. That’s not debate. greg dismissed any link that proves he’s wrong, so that’s no longer a viable way to discuss. Because it’s on the internet does not make it true.
“And stop with the ‘sources’ bullshit. That’s not debate.”
You have a unique view of what debate is, then. Without sources to prove your points, you’re reduced to simply contradicting one another, and in your case, saying that things are “weak” or “stupid” or “atheistic.”
You don’t supply any facts to support what you say, and you don’t even try to prove your points; you simply engage in ad hominem attacks and offhand dismissals. All that does is underscore that you don’t know what you’re saying.
I don’t see how an adult can seriously see that as debate.
Accepting for the sake of discussion, that MAD is an outdated theory, explain what has replaced it.
If you can.
You’re not debating. You’re preloaded with a political ideology. They’ve told you your the “smarter” part of the population, and you believe it. You aren’t listening, just pushing your own blind beliefs.
And not only that, you injected yourself into an exchange between greg and I. That guy is NOT your friend, so be careful.
Your “view” of debate is false. You think it’s saying something that’s right from the propaganda network, then posting a link to a site that told you what to think in the first place.
That’s not debate.
An no, Michael, I have no interest in winning your heart or mind when it comes to the reality of this war. We’re not in a good place, and our government is trying valiantly to cover up just how unstable things are. greg is paid to do that.
So please, ask dumb questions instead of giving us sources to prove your claims, use the usual “whataboutisms,” tell me how I’m supposed to behave because I’m Christian, etc.
You’re not here for debate or discussion. You’re here to silence us. It’s violent, and you are the perpetrator.
That is LITERALLY all you do.
Wait—you said that sources are bullshit in a debate. Now you’re berating for me not using them.
You’re the one who says that MAD is not a valid paradigm any more. You need to explain what has replaced it.
The Iranian leadership believes to bring on the new Califate, they must destroy everything else. The idiot Biden regime (working as a proxy for Obama) is going to allow Iran to have nuclear weapons. Will MAD restrain them from attacking Israel or the US and eliciting a global response?
No. Thus underscoring the point that nobody would “win” a nuclear war.
Why is MAD a certainty? Can you explain yourself?
The idea that no country could win a nuclear war has been the accepted paradigm for decades. It has been the generally-accepted line of thought on the topic at the highest levels. You say that this received wisdom is incorrect, which is certainly your prerogative. As the one who is contradicting decades of defense policy on the issue, however, it’s up to you to explain why you’re right.
“when I want lip from you, I’ll rattle my zipper.”
How very Christian of you! If I’m remembering correctly, that’s a quote from the Sermon on the Mount.
Obviously you have some misconceptions about Christianity, bub.
My understanding is that Christianity is supposed to be about love and forgiveness. You, on the other hand, are consumed with hatred.
It’s right after “do not throw your pearl before swine.”
So, you think the Democrats would survive?
They would, that is why they are pushing the skirmish in Ukraine to the point where it will result in a nuclear confrontation
Screw Ukraine
Just think how inexpensive it would have been (in lives and treasure) to have maintained our energy production, keeping the price of oil reasonable and denying Putin the billions of dollars he is using to invade Ukraine. Gosh, if only instead of the idiot Biden we had a capable and legitimate leader.
LIKE TRUMP.
Russia is winning this war. You’re a paid troll, and you know nothing of Putin or Russia.
Debunked
05/12/22 – video; Ukraine conflict: Russian soldiers seen shooting dead unarmed civilians
Putin’s thugs: Smile, guys. You didn’t notice the surveillance cameras, did you?
The catastrophe of letting Putin invade Ukraine is Biden and his admin’s fault alone.
No amount of your propaganda will change that.
You cucks don’t understand that once this war went hot, simple disinformation posts like yours became useless.
Debunked
“Debunked” by some anonymous Russian toll on Twitter…
Totally owned your story by some anonymous Ukrainian “source”
You Nazi apologists are getting desperate.
https://twitter.com/LivnUndaATyrant/status/1525035962568388608?t=z6zGp9mr0fpm6bmL8pdyVQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/MiG31BmFoxhound/status/1524841685133447171?t=DRAp1j_WCMGQihBh6CMGBA&s=19
Meanwhile your heroes continue to torture
Ukraine not polling for Americans
05/13/22 – Putin ‘very ill with blood cancer’ claims Russian oligarch in recording ‘Hope he dies’
Rofl…
Dismissed
He LOOKS sick, even with his makeup. Chemo drugs and high-dose steroids to suppress the side effects might account for his mental instabilitly and impaired judgement.
Even if he dies Russia is committed to this war to protect it’s border. As you yourself said in 2014.
Whoever is in charge will not change things.
This could have been prevented with real diplomacy from real leaders instead we get this proxy war bought and paid for by the war machine.
The war machine in full glory
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1525185478194040835?t=pr1LgYJOCvqIVHJDOkVQtA&s=19
Russia isn’t committed. Russia hasn’t even been permitted to know what Putin is actually doing. Russia has Ukrainian family, friends, and business associates. Ukraine never crossed Russia’s border. This is all Putin’s doing.
Russians would be well off, were it not for the theft of Putin and the Russian billionaire oligachy—much as Americans would be here, without our own.
Why is your president submitting amendments to the WHO at the general assembly next week that would cede our national sovereignty with respect the declarations of health related emergencies?
Why are you such a fan boy for zelensky?
Because the libs tell him to be. End of story.
Because Zelensky stands between a murderous tyrant and Western civilization.
How about that murderous tyrant in China? Those tyrants in Africa? In the middle east?
China invades Taiwan should we go to war with them too?
Ukraine had nothing to do with our nations security. NONE.
They can stand in line. Putin is the enemy presently at the gate. He’s the threat that isn’t potential, but actual and active. He hasn’t simply threatened and declared us the enemy. He’s the guy who has actually smashed through our neighbor’s door, and told us he’ll kill us if we do anything.
Neighbor? WTF you talking about? Our real neighbors to the south are creating mayhem at OUR real border but not one peep out of you.
So confirming that if China invades Taiwan you believe we should go to war?
It’s best if China has a good reason to believe that we might—another strong argument for why Putin’s invasion must have seriously undesirable consequences.
Taiwan is actually an entirely different issue. The best deterrence relates to China’s unwillingness to risk losing its European and North American markets.
If they invade Taiwan will you support the United States to go to war with China?
I just told you what I think. China should believe we will. Stating that we wouldn’t isn’t helpful to that end. It would be like stating categorically that we wouldn’t retaliate for Putin’s first-use of nuclear weapons by instantly nuking Moscow, or that NATO tanks wouldn’t be crossing the Ukrainian border an hour after he sets foot in a NATO nation. You don’t show your hand on stuff like that.
We cant, drained oil reserves, no money, all tank busters to the nazis and chips to make more are in f’n China. China has the gold to pay for russian oil and grain.
Every world war was started by a democrat, they are a death cult.
biden would surrender to XI and the CCP without hesitation
The enemy of the American people is biden. Putin is half a world away.
Your obsession with Biden gets in the way of clear thinking about geopolitics. What would you have Biden do? Concede to whatever Putin wants?
What about your obsession with President Trump? Your thinking has not been clear for over seven years
Putin has used Trump and the populace movement as a lever to pry our nation apart. We can’t allow our nation to be Balkanized when our enemies are authoritarian empires. If we do, we’re on the menu.
Putin has used Trump and the populace movement as a lever to pry our nation apart.
No, Democrats used Putin to tear our nation apart. Then they used fraud to destroy faith in government. Now we have the weakest, most incompetent, most corrupt idiot in US history and Putin took full advantage of his stupidity.
That would be part of the lever I’m talking about. Trump and the right have been Putin’s remotely-controlled wrecking ball. You’re not a political philosophy. You’re a TANTRUM, which is increasingly doing internal damage. Like Texas’s moronic legislation to promote “free speech” by restricting social media moderation. Or Florida’s, to wreck the beneficial economically Disney arrangement because Mickey Mouse is a pedophile.
Where is our diesel fuel?
Ask Vladimir Putin.
He wont have a clue what you are talking about. We are the news now, msm is a dead man walking.
Ukraine is our neighbor? What happened to Canada and Mexico?
Ukraine is the eastern gate to Europe and our NATO allies. You’ve lost perspective.
It is europes problem, not ours. Are they coming to help us with our border or inflation?
Distance protects us from NOTHING. The fate of Western Europe is our own fate.
We do not need Europe for our security
That was a stupid statement in 1938, and it’s even more so in the 21st Century. There were extremist movements in the US back then that also preached isolationism. Hitler had plans for North and South America, even back then.
Finding a well armed citizenry, back then people knew how to use their firearms. Our people had real skills, Japan was going to take over DC too, you post from a very ignorant view of history. But hey you love nazis.
The only one who’s lost perspective is you
And
Of course he thought Putin’s perception of a growing threat was justified when Obama was in office
And:
greg is a worn out tool of the left. He has zero relevance here because he is not America 1st
your president has zero political capital. His approval numbers are horrendous.
Even that is probably only $20 billion in actual useful aid, the rest is “programs” that will be picked clean by thieves. Democrats love wasting taxpayer money.
zelensky is running a con. He is a dirtbag not to be trusted
You’re high. This is not all Putin’s doing. This is Russia acting in it’s own best interest.
05/11/22 – Russian Oligarchs Who Died Mysteriously This Year Have Two Things in Common
05/13/22 A Russian battalion has lost almost all of its armoured vehicles in a failed attempt to cross a river in eastern Ukraine, the UK Ministry of Defence has said.
Ineptitude.
Debunked
Putin’s invasion forces are getting the unholy crap beat out of them.
You’re right about one thing. It never would have happened under Trump.
Biden’s Poll Numbers in the Tank – More Than 80% of Registered Voters Think Biden Is on the Wrong Track
A severely failed president
Yup… He would never had let it get to this point. Real leadership does that. But you and the left WANT this war.
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1525155649608351756?t=fD5gqt_ghn_bdSSLu3qDyA&s=19
I look forward to the freakout in Moscow when Ukrainian forces cross the Russian border.
I don’t recall that he was laughing by the end of the movie.
Biden won’t be laughing when he’s removed from his fake WH set, either.
Trump attempted to prevent the man the nation elected from entering the White House to begin with. That’s all been under investigation for months, and those complicit have been resisting it every step of the way. So have those in the GOP who openly acknowledged what he did, after handing him a pass for it.
Yeah… by getting more LEGITIMATE votes. But idiot Biden entered anyway through fraud. Now look at the disastrous conditions that fraud brought along with it.
There is even less evidence President Trump made an attempt to overturn an election as greg is so adamant concerning January 6. What gregs opposition to January 6 tells us is he is not a proponent of the US Constitution. The Constitution the left defends when it pleases them is the same Constitution that opposes them when they are in defiance of the document.
We all know what happened on January 6 that is being suppressed by the 9 angry democrats on the unconstitutional commission. We have a government that is not for the people, it has been on display since 01/20/2021. No reasonable right-thinking American would have voted for this had the agenda that has transpired been an agenda the basement dweller had campaigned on.
And the detonation of the first, but not last, tactical nuke.
America won’t win a nuclear war against Russia and China.
I see you haven’t studied the history of war…even a little. Good thing you’re not making any decisions for the United States.
If he does it, Russia could be obliterated. Or NATO could overrun the Russian border. Or somebody in Russia could suddenly take his place, because he’s just one damn guy who isn’t worth the damage that he’s done already.
Sounds like you are describing idiot Biden.
Reminder: Russia/China have faster and more strike capabilities than America. Biden retired the B83, and canceled the SLCM-N. It’s 10 to 1 on tactical nukes, Russia to America.
NATO “overruning” the border? You mean Europe’s vassal, the United States. That’s probably what he wants.
You don’t understand this man, or Russia. They want to be at war…any war…and this could have been avoided through diplomacy. Biden rejected Putin’s treaty.
You idiots have brought us to this point, and I want to know what leverage is over our Senators that they would pass this moronic bill to continue to siphon our country dry of cash.
Who is destroying who’s economy, greg?
You don’t have a clue.
Putin’s invasion forces are getting the unholy crap beat out of them.
Probably not.
Putin didn’t invade under Trump. He invaded after Biden was installed.
This never would have happened under Trump.
Take that fact deep into your throat, jerkoff. You fools have started WWIII.
“Take that fact deep into your throat, jerkoff.”
That’s the second time in a couple of days you have referred to having a guy suck your dick. For a guy who purports to be virulently anti-LGBT, you resort to that metaphor quite a bit. It’s something to which you might want to give some quiet reflection.
Also: for a person who purports to be a Christian, you spend all your time on here consumed with and spewing raw hatred. I’m not a Christian, but even I know that you’re doing it wrong.
Your understanding of Christianity as a series of right “actions” that turn a lion into a lamb is false. Raw hatred is a man intentionally bombing a small conservative blog with his 16-year-old level logic points, merely trying to parse words without thinking a bit deeper. You’re a pest.
As for your sudden moral stance on homosexuality, you fail to see the point. Remember you’re the guy who said “so what if I suck c*ck.” It all comes down to sexuality for you people.
And of course, it’s all to deflect from the Truth: Putin is invading now during Biden’s regime. Can’t touch that, can you?
And again, so we’re clear, YOU ARE HERE TO ATTACK WHATEVER STRAWMAN YOU’VE BEEN FOOLED INTO THINKING EXISTS.
Now get off you high horse and get on your knees. You literally sound like a carbon copy of every Leftist cult member we have suffer, whether it’s just some random idiot or Cenk Uygur (he just said Joe Rogan must have had sex with a trans man, so that’s why he hates trans).
That’s the new “thing” in the Left. “You right-wingers are closet gays and that’s why you attack it.”
Moron.
I can tell you’re a man of small stature, low physical ability, and sheltered to the point of having no grit.
“As for your sudden moral stance on homosexuality”
The moral stance you refer to here is not about homosexuality itself but about your oh-so-very public abhorrence of it while returning to it again and again in your thoughts and words.
It’s okay for you to be gay, Nathan. It’s even okay for you to remain closeted, if that’s what you need to do to live with yourself. What’s not okay is to then turn around and use your self-loathing as a cudgel against others.
“I can tell you’re a man of small stature, low physical ability, and sheltered to the point of having no grit.”
You know who else was as performatively manly as you are? The Village People.
“Putin is invading now during Biden’s regime. Can’t touch that, can you?”
It’s true. The invasion took place during the presidency of Joe Biden. I never said it didn’t, so the points you’re scoring here are entirely imaginary.
Now, you said several times that the United States would “lose” a nuclear war. Decades of military policy say that both sides (at the very least, and possibly a large chunk of the rest of the world) would be destroyed—that is to say, lose—in any large-scale nuclear confrontation. Certainly you have some reason for disagreeing, aside from ass-hatted contrarianism. Please share your explanation of why that’s the case.
It would also be Interesting to hear what you envision “winning” a full-scale nuclear war would look like.
There are men in my country that are strong, competent, educated, experienced, and worth listening to.
You are not one of them. If anything, the idea of personal sovereignty was shucked of personal responsibility to produce weak men who feel protected and safe to spout off their useless, uninformed, and inexperienced opinions: You.
You have no thoughts of you own, and traditionally your the kind of man we either beat into maturity, or allow to expire by their own weakness.
Your way of life will not exist without men who know they are men, and without Judeo-Christian morals and ethics.
Admittedly, my vulgarity is something I value, and was honed by my experience in the military. You have no such experience, so it’s natural and rather cliche to doubled-down on the “you must be gay” because I told you to take a fact down your throat.
You admitted you are gay. I do indeed think you are weak for such a thing, if it is true. I offer no apologies.
The fact remains that you will continue to do little in life and your community. Men like me will continue to correct, shame, and destroy men like you as we see fit to protect our families and our nation.
Hope you’re ready. I know what I’m willing to do. Do you, internet tough guy?
I have to thank you for reminding me what normal Americans are up against, the kind of intellectual rot that took hold, leaving men who might have grown into something mighty as little whining children taking cheap shots on a blog as if they have the first notion of what it means to fight for something.
Enjoy your decline, son. We’ll take it from here.
“my experience in the military”
Liar.
Sounds like you have a c*ck in your throat again, bub. Try again.
The good news is, Michael, I actually think you are good guy and I have hope for you. Try to understand the rather safe and gluttonous age we’ve enjoyed is over, and we can have standards in life without “oppressing” people.
“I actually think you are good guy”
You have a confusing way of showing it.
Debunked.
The Pentagon Testified Assessing Ukraine and No One Noticed
Win or Lose, the priority in Ukraine is to keep it functioning enough to keep the Money moving.
Flexibility is the Key to Political Power…and the last thing anyone wants is for the whole thing to be revealed for what it is.
Why else would Uniparty members visit Zelensky..in the middle of a ‘Terrible Conflict’: Because some ‘instructions’ and ‘assurances’are better conveyed in person…when you no longer have Embassy personnel to ‘backchannel’…
Boy, if that’s not the kind of gold mine Democrats love to run into with their buckets and load up with nuggets, I don’t know what is. Cha-ching, Nancy! Don’t forget 10% to the “big guy”.
The fact that the boards number one fan boy for zelensky, greg, does not oppose this obscene waste of American Taxpayers dollars, tells us all what we already know about greg