With the likely conclusion of Rep. Adam Schiff’s impeachment proceedings, it’s worth taking a step back and looking at how things went for the majority Democrats and minority Republicans on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
Democrats ideally would have started their inquiry with credible bipartisan support and run things in such a way that public opinion developed in their favor. Public opinion would build pressure on Republican members toward an impeachment vote that had even stronger bipartisan credibility.
That did not come even close to happening. To begin with, not only was the vote to begin proceedings not bipartisan, there was bipartisan opposition to it. Polling initially looked promising for impeachment, with media outlets attempting to claim significant bipartisan support for inquiry and removal, but then the polling moved in the wrong direction for Democrats.
Emerson polling showed that support for impeachment flipped since October from 48 percent support with 44 percent opposing to now 45 percent opposed and 43 percent in support. Among key independents, the switch was even more pronounced. In October, 48 percent supported impeaching President Donald Trump, with 39 percent opposed. Now, 49 percent of independents oppose impeachment, while only 34 percent support it.
A new Marquette University Law School poll found that 40 percent of registered voters in the swing state of Wisconsin think that Trump should be impeached and removed from office, while 53 percent do not think so. Another 6 percent weren’t sure.
A new Gallup poll shows that Trump’s approval has ticked up two points since the impeachment drama began, with 50 percent of Americans opposed to it and 48 percent in support. Henry Olsen notes that Gallup polls all adults, not just registered voters, meaning that a poll of registered voters would have Trump’s job approval even higher and impeachment opposed by closer to a 52-46 margin.
And not only are no Republicans expected to join with Democrats in an eventual impeachment vote, some members expect the bipartisan consensus against it to grow.
Republicans, by contrast, needed to aim for bipartisan opposition to the impeachment proceedings, keep their members in line, make the case that the impeachment proceedings lacked fairness, and that concern about Ukrainian corruption was legitimate. They managed to do all that.
Here’s why things went well for Republicans in phase one of impeachment.
It was completely unclear what crime, much less what high crime, Trump was accused of committing.
Before we get to the politics and how they were played by Republicans and Democrats, it should be noted that President Donald Trump has not been credibly accused of committing any crime, much less a high crime or misdemeanor. It’s almost shocking that Trump, of all people, keeps managing to do well on this score. Yet, as with the ussia collusion hoax, in which he was accused of being a traitor to his country, the lack of evidence for the charges against him is his ultimate saving grace.
What the charge is keeps changing, of course. The whistleblower initially suggested a campaign finance violation arising from a call Trump had with the president of Ukraine. That morphed into a quid pro quo for military aid to Ukraine, then extortion, then bribery, then obstruction of justice, then back to a quid pro quo, but this time only a quid pro quo for a White House meeting. The lack of certainty among even Trump’s critics certainly worked in his favor.
There can be no question that President Trump generally dislikes the boatloads of taxpayer cash in the form of foreign aid that is sent to countries, wishes other countries would support their neighbors more, and absolutely disliked Ukraine corruption. Further, we all know Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate Ukraine’s 2016 election meddling and the involvement of former Vice President Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden in well-known corruption of Burisma, the energy concern on which’s board the former VP’s son found himself on in questionable circumstances. We know these things because of Trump’s public statements and the release of his transcripts with Ukraine’s newly elected president.
We also know that Trump’s support of Ukraine increased over the Obama years, including with the provision of Javelin missiles. And precisely no one had any evidence of anything actually illegal happening, even if they wished that Trump loved foreign aid more and didn’t want the investigations he told everyone he wanted. That further made the case against Trump difficult to argue.
The hearings were boring and complicated.
Objectively speaking, they weren’t just boring but soul-crushingly boring. The testimony was lengthy, the discussion was complicated and bureaucratic. The questions weren’t particularly interesting and the answers they elicited weren’t particularly compelling. You can complain all you want about the fact that they were boring, but they were boring.
Media outlets did all they could to bolster Schiff’s show and ran the impeachment hearings non-stop, as if Schiff’s inquiry had a legitimacy it never quite managed to earn on the merits. But instead of viewership increasing over time, it decreased.
Reporters kept deleting their tweets because they were getting facts about the hearings wrong. If reporters who were paid to follow the hearings weren’t able to keep details straight, what hope was there for normal people who have real lives and better things to do than watch hearings all day?
Adam Schiff lacks credibility.
Democrats didn’t want Rep. Jerry Nadler chairing impeachment since he had so completely botched the initial impeachment effort that was the Robert Mueller probe. Any chair worth his salt would have investigated whether star witness Robert Mueller was fit to answer any questions, much less the questions needing careful handling for an impeachment probe given the failure to find treasonous collusion with Russia to steal the 2016 election.
Instead, a seemingly confused Mueller destroyed the chance of convincing the country that he had run the probe that bore his name and had morphed into an attempt to nail Trump for vehemently fighting the false charge he was a traitor. A few other mistakes by Nadler meant that Speaker Nancy Pelosi gave Schiff the gavel for the big show.
Back when CAIR was feeling its oats it tried to shut down a web site called “Anti-CAIR.”
Problem was to do so required a court case and that allowed DISCOVERY.
CAIR quickly dropped all charges against Anti-CAIR.
The Dems have also run into this trap headlong.
What the House is doing is only akin to an indictment.
(And we all know, you can indict a ham sandwich.)
But to get this over to the Senate opens Dems accusers (including Schiff and the “whistle blower” ) up to cross examination!
It also allows the President to have a DEFENSE.
He has been denied that up til now.
Dems don’t stand a chance in this thing in the long run.
That’s what makes me so sure Dems are merely trying to keep some outrage alive against Trump for as long as possible.
@Nan G:
The Democrats, and especially Schitt-for-brains, seems to forget that Americans generally support the underdog. Schitt-for-brains, with his ludicrous hearing rules disallowing the Republicans from calling any witnesses or even ask certain questions of Schitt’s witnesses, has made Trump the underdog.
On top of that, anyone who really was paying attention understood that there was no there there and the witnesses either did not have first hand information or the one that did formed his opinion on his own “presumption”.
This whole “impeachment” gig is about 2020 and creating opposition research via (what the Democrats consider) legal means. It is to provide talking points by what ever Socialist the Democrats nominate at their national convention although it has hurt their top runner, Biden.
@Nan G: The resistance has short memories here is a 2015 article penned by the hearsay queen so upset that Trump was watching our tax dollars warning it is a click for WAPOOP https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/giving-weapons-to-ukraine-could-goad-putin-into-a-regional-war/2015/02/05/ec2e9680-abf5-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html
It was their disasterous Forieign policy that got the Ukraine invaded, and the middle east destabilized.
We voted for a change in these and many other horrid policies.
Well, I guess falling back to the hyper-conservative rag-“The Federalist”, that’s one way to but it. An AP published a bit more brutal analysis this morning:
Pulitzer Prize winner Eugene Robinson wrote:
Former GWB speechwriter Michael Gerson tells us why Trump lapdogs are never going to accept reality.
It’s really simple. Republicans had facts on their side. Every political campaign gets spiced up with a lie or two, but EVERYTHING the Democrats based their impeachment campaign on has been lies. ALL OF IT. Quid pro quo, collusion, extortion, bribery… Democrats showed the only people guilty of any of that was themselves (the Senate is now, finally, looking into Biden’s corruption).
They weren’t smart enough to retreat after Trump released the transcript. Perhaps Pelosi’s yip-yapping little protagonists won’t let her, but after seeing the transcript, they should have realized it was “game over”. But, they can’t think on their feet… hell, they can’t even think.
This is what a weak case looks like. Democrats have done the same thing throughout their careers. It was the same with IRS targeting, Benghazi, Obamacare… they throw things up against the wall to see what sticks, and if something DOES stick, they run with it like mad. They have full confidence and can totally rely on the belief that none of their constituents will remember any of the previous false narratives until the got the one that polled well.
And THAT would be the only thing than might derail the Democrat’s relentless path towards self-destruction; if the polls tell them it’s not going to benefit them. They poll-tested which word sounded like the worst impeachable offense and came up with bribery (there’s your major clue as to how solid the Democrat’s believe their case is). If the polls tell them the public is turning away from impeachment even BEFORE the SENATE gets to make the rules and call the shots (and witnesses), they might just wise up.
But history tells us they aren’t that smart.
Nadler’s a gnome-looking, fat, steaming turd, but no one can make a farce look legitimate.
Well, like their demands for Trump’s IRS returns, they were doing nothing but fishing. They were looking for SOMETHING of use, though they had no idea what that might be. Thus, the polling and focus groups.
They spelled “SUCKED” wrong.
@Deplorable Me: As you can see by #4 post they are sad we didnt swallow the narrative that was spun out of whole cloth.
They call things debunked, retracted, discredited like those things had been actually investigated and they can prove they were debunked. The mindless watchers of cable TV are led to believe they were without knowing a single fact.
Mifsud wasnt a Russian
Carter Page wasnt a Russian sympathizer
Surveillance is spying
Gossip isnt truth
Sorros was a Nazi collaborative and isnt repentant
When we werent looking they renewed the Patriot act.
@Ronald J. Ward:
No surprise you would refer to Eugene Robinson, a man who has clear hatred for whites and doesn’t care about the truth when it comes to his bashing of Republicans or white people. I’m sure his opinions match your own.
As to his Pulitzer prize; so what? The Pulitzer has been awarded to lying journalists for decades, including Walter Duranty who actually lied about the horrors of the Stalin regime
As to Michael Gerson, odd that you would support the words of a Neo-Con. Well, not really as he is a Never-Trumper and is despised by real conservatives, just as is Bill Kristol.
I don’t need some dishonest reporter trying to dissuade me from what I saw with my own eyes and that was a sad attempt by Adam Schitt-for-brains to pin a crime, any crime, on the President while he ignored the actual quid pro quo by one of his own.
@kitt: Well, that was her opinion BEFORE she wanted to help impeach Trump. Then, she supported doing exactly what Obama was doing in regards to stopping Putin… NOTHING.
@Ronald J. Ward: Why don’t you cite the evidence provided that showed, if not proved, that Trump committed ANY impeachable offense? Hmmmm? Tell us, did Biden threaten Ukraine with withholding $1 billion in aid unless they fired the prosecutor looking into a corrupt company his son worked for?
Don’t worry; I won’t be disappointed when you scurry away from answering the question. I expect nothing more.
@Ronald J. Ward: Uh oh. We triggered the cheerleader.
Still don’t understand the pathology of your party yet, hiding it’s transgressions by accusing the Reps of doing the same thing?
That’s how I feel about the Dems, and that started with Obama. I bet Robinson won the prize because he’s a faithful Leftist, not necessarily a good writer. That’s how you people work, now that the media, entertainment, and educational institutions indoctrinate suckers like you.
If you could be objective for a moment, rather than accepting anything the Dems do without question…even killing babies…you really can’t show that Trump did anything wrong…at all.
This is about the investigation into rampant Dem corruption, and you subconsciously know it. You’re party is sh*tting the bed in hopes we won’t find out what they did.
Welcome to the civil war.
The Reps and Trump want freedom.
The Dems want total control, with mindless drones like you as their disposable fodder…like so many despotic regimes before. It’s textbook.
Good luck.
Are you stupid, Ms. Hemingway, or are you only hoping that your readers are?
He delayed the release of aid to a strategically critical nation that is resisting armed aggression and territorial occupation by Russia, making its release contingent upon that nation providing a weapon he could use against his most likely 2020 presidential election opponent. He ceased doing this only when what he was doing was exposed.
He used a private attorney to pursue this personal end, which was at cross purposes with our nation’s and its allies’ stated goals and best interests, and ruthlessly eliminated highly qualified, dedicated, and loyal State Department personnel who became obstacles to his personal objective, working to damage their professional and personal reputations in the process.
He has also ordered government employees under his control to stonewall the investigation into this. He has blocked Congress’s access to evidence and ordered key players in his scheme to defy Congressional subpoenas and refuse to testify. The State Department, for example, refused to provide any requested evidence. He has also purposefully created an expectation that he will vigorously retaliate against anyone who provides evidence against him. There’s a very strong case in all of this for obstruction of justice.
There are actual statutory crimes here, in addition to betrayal of his oath of office. Extortion is a crime. Enlisting the aid of a foreign government to affect an election is a crime. Obstruction of justice is a crime. And this stuff may only be the tip of the iceberg.
@Nathan Blue, #9:
Yeah, let everybody know when you figure out who you’re going to start shooting and how you plan to organize the effort. I’m pretty sure somebody will get back to you on that.
The entire point is that this is a nation of laws. Even a president is not above the law, although this one’s behavior and his attorneys’ claims in court assert that he is. I believe he will learn that this is not the case. If he does not, prepare yourself for the day when the office is filled by a lawless person who doesn’t pander to your own preferred fantasies, because a precedent will have been set.
@Greg:
Please list them
There are often delays put on aid.
Office gossip even if it gets back to who started it and they behave surprised isnt proof.
The armed aggression was due to the bad policies of the previous admin and these fine witnesses want to continue on with screwing things up, you choose to ignore that.
Who has he vigorously retaliated against and how…oooo mean tweets?
Again it is White House and State Dept lawyers, doofus, Trump doesnt take any action without being advised by experts as to the perfectly legal loopholes he can slip through to reach his goals.
The aid was releaed because it was spend it or lose it and Trump didnt want a black eye.
Modern civil wars are not fought with bullets moron, they are fought with lawyers, propaganda and useful idiots.
If it comes to guns we will wait to see the whites of their eyes.
@Nathan Blue:
Oh, COME ON. Really? AJ?
Trump has to use the people he can trust. There are very few that are left over from the Obama crime cartel that he can rely on not to try to undercut him by harming the country. For instance, in an interview this morning Trump noted that Yovanovich would not hang his picture in the embassy. But, it’s not HIS picture… it’s the PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES’ picture and that bitch would rather insult every citizen of this country than face up to the fact that Trump is HER President.
It is a goddamn shame there are so many in this government that can’t be trusted to simply DO THEIR JOBS for we the people.
@Greg:
Oh, COME ON. Really? Your party has no use for laws except when they can be used to attack opponents. They have no respect for the law or Constitution whatsoever. Schitt’s circus and your support for it prove that beyond any possible doubt or argument.
@kitt:
I just did list them, in the final paragraph of the post you’re referencing.
Indeed. But the reason we have here is not legitimate. Why doesn’t Rudy come forth and clarify the entire situation? Or any of the witnesses close to the situation who refused to testify?
@Deplorable Me:
You’re full of it. Everybody with a brain knows what Trump did, and what Trump is. A patriot, he is not. Nor is he an honest man. He is not what America is supposed to be about. He is a malignancy that needs to be removed from government before it spreads further, and becomes impossible to treat.
@Greg: Statutory what are the statutes?
example: IN GENERAL- Section 401(b)(8) of the Higher Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 1070a(b)(8))
We provided the statutes that we thought fit Ms Stinky of State espionage codes etc.
I’m done with this nonsense for the evening.
@Greg: coward!
I’ll leave you with Randy.
He’s Just a GURL Who’ll QUID PRO QUO! – Randy Rainbow Song Parody (or, House Impeachment Hearings – The Musical)
@Greg: Ya sure this guy is just all rainbows he took a shot at Melania what a attention whore leftist.
@Greg:
That’s right, but some won’t admit it. He assured the taxpayers their money was not going into the Biden’s pockets. He provided more aid and support to Ukraine than Obama ever did.
You have NO evidence of ANY impeachable offence and it just CHAPS your crybaby ass. Making it worse, your candidates SUCK.
@Deplorable Me: Greg is going to run away cause his media didnt provide actual laws on the books that Trump violated. Last we checked winning an election the Dems thought they had bagged wasnt against the law.
No law against the President setting foreign policy.
Let them write up the articles and impeach the vote will show party line impeachment, They wont remove him from office or the ballot.https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/435906-us-embassy-pressed-ukraine-to-drop-probe-of-george-soros-group-during-2016
@Greg:
Greg, why do you even bother with this crowd?
@kitt: Graham is giving them a preview of what Democrats can expect when they force a trial in the Senate:
Of course, Democrats demand Pompeo recuse himself because… well, some Republican ALWAYS has to recuse themselves. Schiff, though he secretly met with the “whistle blower” and set up the entire impeachment scenario, HE’S not expected to recuse himself or testify about his shenanigans.
@Deplorable Me: I havent caught up today on my preferred propaganda I have an unexpected house guest, and had to pack up my deer hunter with stuff he only has to nuke to eat well. I guess I am a deer hunter widow this weekend, not the “camp wench” I planned for. 🙁
I noticed that, when the Administration’s attorney argued in court recently that the president is immune to legal penalty, or even investigation–even if he were to commit murder in public–Republicans did not suggest that this was a bridge too far. It would seem, then, that there is literally nothing that Trump could do which would get Republicans to join in wagging an admonitory finger at him, let alone impeaching him, so bipartisan support is an impossibility.
From Randy’s Greatest Hits
Gee, I don’t know… sounds like obstruction and a threat.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/22/politics/joe-biden-don-lemon-cnntv/index.html
@Greg: Randy has no greatest hits no top 10 or platinum albums his humor is aimed at brainless poorly informed slugs.
@Deplorable Me: Another click for commie network, Biden sounds scared, he wants impeachment and investigations a hearing against his political opponent but not himself or his druggy kid.
@kitt: I used CNN so Greg couldn’t deny it happened. He ALWAYS believes CNN.
@M.:
Provide the link where Trump’s attorneys argued he could commit murder in public without penalty. THAT would truly interest me.
@Gus Aspromonte: Indeed, you should go to the NYT or CNN so you can reverberate in a liberal echo chamber where facts, truth and honesty is forbidden.
@Deplorable Me:
NYT? CNN? Nah. I’m usually in agreement with Judge Napolitano on Fox, who says there’s enough evidence to justify three or four articles of impeachment.
https://reason.com/video/judge-napolitano-enough-evidence-to-justify-about-three-or-four-articles-of-impeachment/
@Gus Aspromonte: Yet, as we have SEEN and HEARD, there has been nothing offered but conjecture, opinion, presumption, second-, third-, fouth-hand knowledge and outright lies, so how anyone thinks there is evidence of anything is a mystery. And, scooter, THAT comes from the hearings themselves.
@<a href="#comment@Deplorable Me: They all knew, according to testimony, especially from Ambassador Sondland. Can’t imagine why a guy who gave Trump a million bucks would lie about the scheme. Trump certainly wasn’t going to articulate it to everyone. That’s not how a criminal enterprise works.
@Deplorable Me: Didnt bother with the video, but quote “The Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee have unearthed enough evidence, in my opinion
Ive seen nothing in the hearings except hey I didnt like that so it must be impeachable.
The actions taken by the Ambassador in just a speech she gave were grounds for full dismissal. She went much further, but never called on the carpet by the SOS. They added to, funded and encouraged the corruption in Ukraine.
Barisima equaling Biden isnt true but what actions taken by Jr Biden in the US Government should be looked at. We already have Bidens Sr. confession on tape.
Deals made that added huge profits for this company on the backs of the people. Asking a corrupt administration such as Obamas was to help clean up a very corrupt government would be laughable if it didnt cost US tax payers over 5 billion that we had to borrow from China.
Battle Hymn of the Republic – Modified for Relevance
Listen very closely. This is not humor.
@Gus Aspromonte: Judge Nap is still poed when Trump didn’t consider him for a fed judge
@Greg:
You might want to remind your Party if that, since they aren’t following the Law.
Wow. You went right to violence, like your Antifa brethren. Thanks for proving my point.
The civil war was started by you and your party, blinded by hatred. We’re just pointing it out.
We are a nation of laws, not feelings. You can’t “depose” Trump. Your coup has failed.
FOX News, November 25, 2019 – Judge rules Don McGahn must comply with House subpoena
If this guy is obliged to respond to his subpoena, so are they all.
@Greg: Already appealed.
An op ed from one David A. Desautel, who simply asks that people take a moment to think – Consider if you trust Trump before voting
@Greg:
The bottom line says it all; Mr. Desautel doesn’t like Trump, and he doesn’t think anyone else should and if you do, you are just not as intelligent as he is.
SSDD
Of course, one wonders if he ever asked the same questions regarding Obama, who I am sure he voted for. Would you put all your faith in a man to run the biggest business ever (the U.S. government) who basically had never held a job that didn’t have a paycheck cut by the taxpayers? Someone who had never signed the front of a pay check and only signed the back of it?
I guess, Comrade Greggie, you think by repeating something written by a person 99.9% of Americans have never heard of, it makes your case, affirming your hated for President Trump.
You would be wrong.
@Deplorable Me: Another BHO appointed activist judge. Im sure seeing who as to decide they already had an appeal ready.
@Greg:
The answer? Yes.
Why? He’s done everything he said he would. He’s been consistent in conduct and character since the 80s.
And what is Desautel’s alternative? Grope’N Joe? Hillary, with her bathroom server? They’ve never done anything beyond being a career politician.
The above vomit reveals a fundamental disconnect you and your party have about what we’re voting for in November.
You want a symbolic rockstar. I want a person to do the job.
The President does a job; that’s it. They must be an EXECUTIVE to run the EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
Every motivational book and story highlights one thing: successful people fail….much more than normal people…which is why they succeed ultimately. Warren Buffet admits this, as do Bezos, Musk, and every icon you’ve ever read about. Dems use their political power to bypass the work it takes to be truly successful. They hate Trump because he represents what they are not willing to do, as he’s getting results that are forever barred to them.
I understand now that the Dems have become the very thing they’ve used to spread their message: a hollow image. That’s what they want, not someone who can actually “do”, warts and all.
You had your chance with Obama. You failed.
Find a better candidate than Trump or shut the f*ck up.
But I’m intrigued by the “civility, honor, truthfulness, and integrity” comment. That describes the Left. From trash-talking talk show hosts calling Trump a “c*ck sleave* to bought-and-owned media outlets to violent mobs to rude people accosting others trying to eat, the Left embodies moral relativism and a lack of civility, honor, truthfulness, and integrity.
Trump can punch harder, and I like that. We’ve let you people run roughshod all over the culture and the true governmental system we have of a Constitutional Democratic Republic.
No more.
Not once, ONCE, have I heard any Leftist question their own party. So many questions need answering, but you’re all self-indoctrinated and completely oblivious…whilst trying to tell us we’re all oblivious to Trump?
Biden bribed the Ukrainian President, bragged about it, and you’re silent.
Trump? All they are saying is that they don’t like how he does things. Well I do.
I’ll have an empty glass to catch your tears next November, comrade.
@Greg:
Well, I stopped right there. I need read no more. Trump is not the source of lack of civility… YOU DEMOCRATS are. Trump gave a gracious and welcoming inaugural speech, but Democrats openly began working on impeachment. Democrats (which would include the Democrats) have openly attacked Trump from the moment of his victory. There has been NO “honeymoon period” and no quarter given by Democrats.
Blaming Trump for the Democrat’s incivility is like blaming the Wiemar government for Nazis and Communists using political violence to bring it down. The only blame Trump bears is that he is Trump, the Democrats resent him winning and doing a great job and they hate him. Tell your goddamn crybaby Democrats to act like adults and civility will greatly improve.
Lies? How about the left lying about treachery, collusion, rape, racism and Islamophobia? You Democrats cannot speak of Trump, his policies or his accomplishments without lying.
So, consider THIS: your party and ideology is corrupt, failing and based solely on lies. Maybe YOU should consider reevaluating your commitment to that trash?
@kitt: Of course. It’s always the same script. But Trump’s judicial appointments is making that more difficult.
@Deplorable Me: The pathology of these people is unbelievable.
“Please, please! You Republicans have to be weak little idiots so we can make fun of you on TV and you can never fight back or call us out! Trump can’t say those things, only Alec Baldwin and Colbert and Maher and Cathy Griffith can influence our culture with their lack of civility. Yeah!”
We knew Trump was going to kick their ass, and he did…is still doing it.
Nobody on the Left seems to understand that if Trump overstepped his mandate, his own supporters would take him down quicker than anyone. Love the meme of “Trumpers” that will blindly follow him over a cliff….after we saw the Obamatons for 8 years. Incredible, the lack of self-understanding and insight these Dems and their loyalists have.
@Nathan Blue:
They also don’t understand that every false accusation they make only strengthens Trump’s support. And, the more false accusations that are made, the less credibility they have.
When the “golden showers” accusations came out, it was worrisome, but it didn’t take long to debunk and reveal a culture of lying and ignoring ethics, truth, honesty and civility. Henceforth, I research each accusation and, again, it takes very little to get to the actual truth and, once again, find that the left is lying.
Like Greg, the left has totally destroyed their credibility by promoting any lie they can find critical of Trump, no matter how thin and baseless. But, their ignorant sycophants never tire of being lied to. The truth simply depresses them.
For instance, CNN and MSNBC did not cover the President welcoming Conan to the White House. I guess the Democrats are afraid to lose the dog voting bloc.
@Deplorable Me: The dog voting bloc is solid we dont want anyone getting a dog for show, for politics. Our dogs are members of the family, people that use them for props(little purse dogs) then dump them when the dog is no longer wanted, or breed them strictly for income(puppy mills not improving the breed)drive us mad.
Trump is not a pet person, Baron can play with the working dogs of the White House same type as Conan.
He isnt an animal hater https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/11/26/trump-signs-preventing-animal-cruelty-torture-act/4306002002/
@kitt: “The greatness of a nation and it’s moral progress can be judged by the way it treats it’s animals.” GANDHI
“The moral arc of the universe is long but it bends towards justice.”” MLK JR.
OH RAH CONAN
After all this Fox says polls unchanged with 50% for impeachment and removal 43% opposed
Both sides entrenched—still think DT may shoot someone on 5TH AVE to test his base.
@Richard Wheeler: I would adopt Conan but my poodle would kill her.
I dont know how to do a heimlich maneuver on a dog. 😉
Depending on who he shot his numbers could go up.
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