This outline is reliant upon: (1) intellectual honesty; (2) accepting what is, and not what we wish/hope to be; and (3) the welcomed challenge to prove it all wrong. Please, prove this analysis wrong – and if we can’t prove it wrong; not by hopes and dreams, rather by actual quantifiable evidence; then please provide possible solutions – quickly.
There are two facets, two recent researched stories, that paint a very disturbing scenario.
The first facet is a reality that Senate Security Officer James Wolfe was given, and leaked, a copy of the Carter Page FISA application on March 17th, 2017. This is important because it leads to context within the larger issue.
It is virtually guaranteed that James Wolfe received and leaked the FISA Application [SEE HERE]; however, not only was he not charged with the leak, not a single media outlet has taken the overwhelming evidence, reported on the leak – or questioned the DOJ or FBI about why Wolfe was only charged with lying to investigators in December last year.
Why? Why is that massive DC corruption story completely overlooked? What does that say about the fourth estate?
It would be entirely impossible for that story to be hidden if the DOJ, FBI, political system (within the Senate Intelligence Committee), and fourth estate were functioning correctly. Something is severely broken, and there’s no-one doing a darned thing about it.
♦ Accepting that dysfunction leads us into the more recent issue:
The details and circumstances surrounding the plot to smear Judge Brett Kavanaugh, through the use of Ms. Christine Blasey-Ford, by a group of politicians, political operatives and former DOJ/FBI officials.
[SEE HERE].
However, don’t get caught up in the weeds. For now just look at the bigger picture.
Think about the known names and positions for a moment.
•Ms. Christine Blasey-Ford (academic psychologist and life-long best friend of a former career FBI agent); •Ms. Monica Lee McLean (former 24-year career DOJ/FBI insider); •Mr. Michael Bromwich (former DOJ inspector general and career DOJ/FBI official); •Mr. David Laufman (former CIA, and DOJ-NSD Asst. U.S. Attorney General); •Ms. Debra Katz (political operative and legal counsel with deep DNC attachments); •Senator Dianne Feinstein (ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee); and the myriad of media allies (Mayer, Farrow) and political operatives who each played a role in the scheme.
Again, skip the weeds. Just look at the big picture.
The smear campaign against Judge Brett Kavanaugh didn’t just involve a small team of connected insiders; their enterprise carried across multiple institutions, the legislative branch, political operations and the media. This SCOTUS smear campaign was a major effort consisting of multiple organizations (inside and outside of government) and multiple people, and it took considerable planning and coordination to execute.
Now, apply your own intellectual honesty here….
Do you really think that all of those elements described above would even consider going after a supreme court nominee with a baseless lie if they thought they would get caught?
Think about it.
What level of risk would have to exist in order to begin constructing such a fraudulent scheme? Who/What would be the “risk elements” under consideration?
To begin constructing this effort the architects would need confidence that all elements normally functioning within oversight, which under normal circumstances could catch them in the system process, were under control.
That level of confidence is beyond normal hubris.
The people working this scheme would need very strong confidence in pre-existing institutional control within the system of the DOJ, the FBI, the Senate Judiciary and the media apparatus – writ large.
If they thought the current Department of Justice or current Federal Bureau of Investigation was not under their control, or not able to be influenced by their control, they would never begin.
If they thought the current DOJ or current FBI were functioning, they would never even begin to construct such a scheme. It just wouldn’t happen; because they wouldn’t think they could: (A) pull it off; and (B) avoid accountability if caught.
In addition, they would have to believe the politicians within the Judiciary Committee and their political allies in total could operate to assist without scrutiny or questioning. Also, they would need to have confidence the Fourth Estate (media) was entirely on their side and no opposition would exist to present a risk from investigative exposure.
All of those elements would be needed in forethought in order to begin constructing the extensive plot against Judge Kavanaugh. If they didn’t have confidence in the status of those institutions they would never begin.
If we accept the premise: if they thought they would/could get caught they would never begin, then we must accept a more disconcerting reality.
They began because they had no risk of getting caught. The current institutions are corrupt.
Adding what we know about the James Wolfe outcome to the current Kavanaugh plot, and what stands in front of us is an entirely corrupt set of institutions providing no law, no order, and absolutely no oversight. Abject FUBAR.
Again, big picture. This means the current DOJ, current FBI, current Senate-side of the legislative branch, and current media apparatus are entirely dysfunctional.
No, they wouldn’t. But, what constitutes “getting caught”? Well, the first thing that has to happen is that the media exposes and denounces it. So, what’s missing here?
If the FBI were still operating under Comey and McCabe, the background check and supplemental investigation could have turned out much differently. Like the investigation into Hillary’s emails, which the investigators did a legitimate job of, the final assessment can say whatever the assessor’s political bent says it should. At least in this case, we got the facts and nothing but the facts… much to the chagrin of Democrats.
In the aftermath of firing the utterly (as far as law enforcement goes) incompetent Comey, Trump was threatened with impeachment… IS threatened. All that is preventing this is public support and that public support is IN SPITE OF the liberal slant of the media. If the media had properly exposed Comey’s transparent public vote for Hillary, his support would have been zero in government. If the possibility that the media would not have taken Comey’s side existed, Comey would never have pulled his stunt because the media also would not be cheering for Hillary and declaring her the winner in August of 2016.
If the media was working properly, there would be no Booker, Blumenthal or Harris… probably not a Feinstein, either. If it was working properly, none of these characters would have put their electoral prospects at the mercy of such a weak and transparent scam as supporting Ford’s unprosecutable accusation… which would never have gotten past the media scrutiny of its merits.
I fully agree there is a deep state that operates against the interests of America and most Americans, but it could not exist or have gotten to this point without the media keeping it in the shadows. As we have seen since Trump has been President, in the political community, none of the deep state activities as been hidden very well; it hasn’t needed to be. A functioning media would have easily sniffed it out, if it had wanted to, and anyone wishing to be elected or reelected, would have to pledge to fight to end it.
Kavanaugh may have lied and deliberately mislead under oath, both in his prior confirmation hearing and his current confirmation hearing. He was no more the target of a smear campaign than his accusers, who came under attack the moment they dared open their mouths.
There is evidence that numerous witnesses who were ready and willing to come forward and tell what they personally knew under oath were denied the opportunity to do so. That’s a fact.
It’s also a fact that it isn’t enough for the right that they’ve successfully shoved this questionable nominee through the confirmation process and that he’ll be taking a lifetime seat on the Supreme Court. They also want to blame the controversy that resulted entirely on their political enemies. The persecution of their imaginary choirboy will become another part of their increasingly insane political mythology. It’s right up there with their bizarre tale of Donald Trump as the Savior and Restorer of Greatness of a fallen American nation.
@Greg: 12 year Appeals Court Judge with a spotless legal and personal record: “questionable nominee”
The ONLY thing that stained his confirmation was a totally false accusation used in the most unscrupulous way by despicable people. You should be so proud.
How long you figure the biased hag Ginsburg has to go?
Yeah. Questionable. As in, there are questions about him, and they haven’t been answered. There are more questions now than there were before he went into the confirmation hearing, because the question of judicial temperament and has now risen, added to the question about his truthfulness while under oath.
This is what what you get when you put a fundamentally dishonest man in the White House. He got there by repeating lies and methodically exploiting every fault line and division in the nation’s psyche. He has done incalculable damage, all the while pointing his pudgy little finger at his enemy of the moment.
If there’s a “national savior,” it just might turn out to be Robert Mueller, who doesn’t give a damn about politics. The corrupt old fat man in the White House can’t touch him. If he doubts that, he really should try, and then see what happens.
October 2, 2018 — TRANSCRIPT — Trump’s Showdown
The swamp wasnt deeper than the resolve of the people, people who parsed every lie and exposed it, even her sorted college past was exposed in spite of her internet scrub, didnt need it.
Let this be a lesson to them we no longer need CNN who associated Brett with the word RAPE over 100 times, or MSLSD who questioned his temperament and repeated credible and victim endlessly.
We looked at it and channeled Joe Friday, just the facts ma’am.
https://imgflip.com/i/13uchl
@Greg:
What, the most highly qualified Supreme Court Justice in modern history? Well, give us MORE!
@kitt: Who would be more credible, the person accused that stands out in the open and defends himself or the accusers who quickly scrub their social media just a head of making themselves public?
The resolve of the people? Just prior to the Senate vote, the general public opposed Kavanaugh’s confirmation by a 12 percentage point margin.
One has to appreciate how quickly they’ve rolled out the Democrats just killed the blue wave meme across the entire right-wing echo box. They’re saying it because they strongly suspect otherwise.
@Greg: A poll that showed only 50% supported Kavanaugh asked a follow up question of what if all the witnesses disputed Ford’s accusation. Then approval jumped to 60%. It’s amazing the kind of intelligence the general public can show when they aren’t lied to.
That’s probably the point at which they realized all they had to do was prevent a bunch of Ford’s supporting witnesses from being allowed to take an oath and testify. Which they actually did.
This is why republicans hate public television:
October 2, 2018 — TRANSCRIPT — Trump’s Showdown
@Greg: That’s probably the point at which they realized all they had to do was prevent a bunch of Ford’s supporting witnesses from being allowed to take an oath and testify. Which they actually did.
Jeeze, Greggie Gullible believes everything he reads on left wing sites and in the left wing press. Does anyone have the name of a good psychologist he can talk to?
It’s pathetic how you’ll believe any crapola the right wing propaganda machine shovels into your heads.
All the People With Crucial Information About Kavanaugh the FBI Didn’t Interview
Brett Kavanaugh’s college roommate claims Supreme Court nominee lied under oath about drinking
Here’s where Kavanaugh’s sworn testimony was misleading or wrong
This is why republicans hate public television:
October 2, 2018 — TRANSCRIPT — Trump’s Showdown
The President is a fraud. Collusion occurred. So has obstruction of justice. And so has misuse of office for personal gain.
Greggie Gullible, people don’t like NPR because there is absolutely NO reason the taxpayer should be funding what is basically a left wing propaganda channel.
BTW, no one should click on your links. I made that mistake once and it was full of viruses.
People who think like you are the reason dictators came assume power. You’re an idiot.
6:14 p.m.
BREAKING: Brett Kavanaugh is sworn in as 114th Supreme Court justice in private ceremony at court. — AP Politics (@AP_Politics) October 6, 2018
@retire05, #13:
NPR decreases the ease with which America is being turning into a nation of purposely misinformed idiots. It encourages people to think for themselves, rather than telling them what to think. Which, of course, is the problem.
Federal funding represents only 2 percent of NPR’s annual revenue. Their annual operating budget for 2018 is $221 million, meaning the taxpayers laid out around $4.4 million total for the year. (There are 139.6 million taxpayers in the U.S. NPR costs each of them less that 4 CENTS PER YEAR.)
NPR’s federal funds only represents a fraction of the bill Trump runs up monthly taking his entirely partisan dog and pony show on the rally road. Where’s the outrage about that? His ceaseless travel to political rallies costs U.S. taxpayers $206.000 per hour for Air Force One flying time alone. What gets spent on armored limo convoys and venue security is anybody’s guess. You’ll have to guess, because they won’t tell you. Nor do they tell you how much of a financial burden it puts on the budgets of communities where they show up—or how much might wind up in the coffers of Trump-owned establishments where they sometimes hang out.
Trump’s governmental administrators and family members earn no awards for being frugal with the taxpayer’s money, either.
The Members of Trump’s Team Who Simply Burn Through Taxpayer Dollars
There’s no reason why the taxpayer should be putting up with any of that.
The pennies per year any individual taxpayer lays out for NPR at least provides them with a source of round-the-clock entertainment, news, and information that doesn’t rot their brains. All that’s required to make use of it is a radio. Ready access to information doesn’t get any cheaper.
I agree that idiots don’t like NPR. There’s really nothing there for them. They could save their 4 cents per year for 6 years, and almost have enough to buy a 25 cent gum ball.
The other side of the coin is that I don’t like paying farm subsidies to the rich. That doesn’t mean I have much to say about the fact that Congress keeps right on doling them out. (And personally pocketing some $15 million per year of the total.) To that we can add another $12 billion, to counter the effects of Trump’s trade war with China. Until that stroke of genius, the American farm industry was running a $21 billion per year trade surplus.
NPR that ignored the massive protest inside the DNC convention, But zoomed in on the single protestor inside the GOP convention. They do have some decent programming, its their total partisan coverage of politics no journalism at all just the echo chamber of the left propaganda. No longer the newshour, just another propaganda chamber.
well duh he is campaigning, did you hear that bit of brillance on MSLSD or did that brain boof appear all on its own?
@Greg:
Oh, I see you mis-typed a word. Let me fix that for you:
“NPR increases the ease with which America is being turning into a nation of purposely misinformed idiots.”
You’re welcome.
@Greg:
God, how you love leftie propaganda.
Not only has Trump donated his salary back to Federal agencies, he has cut the White House staff reducing the amount of money spent there. Melania Trump’s staff is A WHOLE LOT LESS, currently with 10 staffers compared to Michelle Obama’s 24.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2018/06/29/trumps-lean-white-house-2018-payroll-on-track-to-save-taxpayers-22-million/
You’re an idiot.
@retire05: Trump has business interests everywhere, employees everywhere and when he does something that benefits the economy, it cannot HELP but enhance his business interests. Due to this they accuse Trump of corruption. The only way Trump could avoid benefiting his own business interests would be to handle the economy like Obama did, which of course, would be bad for everyone.
@Deplorable me:
Of course. But then, you notice that the left wingers on this site (Wheeler, Greggie Gullible, AJ) never talk about the 3.7% unemployment rate, how their 401K or other investments are soaring, how there are “Help Wanted” signs everywhere, how entrance level wages are going up due to the demand for employees (Buckie’s, a Texas gas chain, is now paying $15/hr as a starting salary), how minorities are now seeing real improvement in employment levels and the millions who are now off welfare and can be proud of their achievements in the work place.
Of course, this was the same philosophy JFK held; cut taxes and the economy will boom. See, for them, JFK was brilliant but Trump is not. Hypocrites, all.
@retire05:
What the hell can they say? That garbage about it being all Obama’s accomplishment doesn’t go over too well among educated people armed with facts.
People really ought to be more careful about consistency, lest their masks slip off. Let me fix that for you, for example, should always be used with the same name. Just a helpful suggestion. You’re welcome.
By the way, you failed to refute a damn thing said in the comment that precipitated your angry little outburst. In fact, you didn’t even make an effort. Assuming you’re a taxpayer, over the next six years that could cost you another 25-cent gumball. What an outrage.
@Greg:
YOU ARE A BIG ASS SOCIALIST
Swamps don’t get much deeper than they have become under the Trump administration:
June 10, 2019 — Chao created special path for McConnell’s favored projects
There’s more. Follow the link to the article if you want to read it.
Nepotism is so blatant in this administration that it’s beginning to seem totally routine. It’s blatantly present in the White House itself. Regulatory agencies have been placed in the hands of the special interests that they’re supposed to regulate. Plutocracy is now pretty much taken for granted; money buys power and then uses that power to acquire more money. It has apparently become OK for a president to use his power of office to obstruct investigations of himself, to order subordinates to ignore congressional subpoenas, and to order subordinates to openly break totally unambiguous requirements of the law to that same end. Obvious lies on the part of the White House have become so routine that people who recognize them as such see little point in mentioning it anymore, while 40 percent of the population either don’t know or care that they’re being lied to.
Maybe this is how the nation our founders envisioned ends.
@Greg: Nothing will ever surpass using the FBI, DOJ and CIA to illegally spy on and try to disrupt an opposition campaign. Even without that, we had running guns to Mexican cartels to provide an argument against the 2nd Amendment, using the IRS to attack political opponents and funding terrorists.
@Deplorable Me: Greg thinks funneling federal funds to a congress persons state is a new trick in the last 2 years only, wow talk about naive.
Lets see how finds got funneled to California for Pelosis husband to pick up contracts. They are terribly rich. And Senator Feinstein her hubby gets real lucky too!
https://startthinkingright.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/how-nancy-pelosi-got-rich.
But we know this is congresses problem not the presidents he doesnt choose representatives.
But the wealth being redistributed to congress isnt really the swamp thats childs play.
Tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy fallacy is the usual evasion. This doesn’t change the fact that we’re presently living through the single most blatantly corrupt presidential administration in the history of the United States. For the first time, nepotism, plutocracy, and disregard for law, principle, and our constitutional checks and balances have been fully and openly institutionalized.
@Greg: Your total hypocrisy is not a fallacy, the FBI didnt make mistakes they committed crimes. They CIA wasnt misinformed they created the misinformation. When ever you are losing a debate you jump to an old thread, predictable as always.
@Greg:
You mean “we’ve lived through the most blatantly corrupt presidential administration in the history of the United States. That was the Obama administration, the one that illegally spied on an opposition Presidential campaign and candidate in order to try to usher in what would have most certainly surpassed even his record of scandal and corruption. It also ran guns to Mexico, resulting in hundreds of innocent deaths, used the IRS to attack political opponents, brought about the sacking of an American consulate and lying about it, providing billions of dollars to a supporter of terrorism and ignoring immigration laws, to name but a few.
Trump, meanwhile, has done NOTHING illegal; that is all liberal fabrication and fantasy, as their failed investigations and the Mueller report proves. Trotting the convicted liar John Dean out as some kind of “witness” for Democrats only proves their pathetic desperation. An entire party now based on lies.
The left has totally forsaken the rule of law. They are devolving into another Gestapo police state where enemies of the state are persecuted with false accusations.
@kitt:
The FBI committed crimes? So why is nobody being prosecuted for them? How hard could it be, with Trump’s man in control of the DoJ? As with the Criminal in Chief, is there some DoJ policy that says they can’t be prosecuted?
@Greg: Be patient. Numerous investigations are underway. Numerous people have, however, been fired for their abuse of power and disregard for bureau policies. What do you suppose keeps happening to evidence in Hillary’s violations of FOIA laws and mishandling of classified information?
@Deplorable Me: There are 10 investigations, the Spygate is deeper than Trump, Steele has been working with the state dept since at least 2014 perhaps longer.
In an email on December 11, 2014, Winer places pressure on his colleague, Nina Miller to assist Steele by getting “O Reports” [likely Orbis] to Toria [Victoria] Nuland and Paul Jones ASAP.” Nuland at the time was the State Department Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs; Jones the European and Eurasian Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary.
There were a series of emails.
Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said in a statement, “These documents show that Fusion GPS and Clinton spy Christopher Steele had a close relationship with the Obama State Department. The State Department under John Kerry is emerging as another center of the Spygate conspiracy against President Trump.”
@Greg: Oh brother its a very large and tangled web we dont want any flies to get away. The Horowitz report last year confirmed bribes were taken. Look at the firings demotions and resignations they certainly are not the only ones involved. Barr has only been on the job since Feb. Hardly enough time to read just the senates information and its partially redacted. The hours of closed door testimony, open testimony.
The GOP’s investigations of the Trump investigators are the same sort of political bullshit they’ve engaged in year after year, without ever coming up with one damn thing at the end to actually charge their targets with. Ten taxpayer-funded Benghazi investigations in a row coming up empty ought to have provided even the densest voter with a clue. Meanwhile, they’ve got a president in the White House who is openly breaking the law and openly misusing his powers of office to obstruct investigations while facilitating the cash-grab of the century, and they’re not the least bit interesting in looking into it.
There should be a sign on voting machines in 2020: “Pull handle to flush.”
@Greg: Was the attack on the outpost caused by a you tube video?
Or https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/10218288/CIA…
From everything that was happening and everything that was known at the time, was drawing the entirely logical conclusion that it might have been a criminal act?
@Greg: Please just answer the first question was the attack caused by a you tube video.
She didnt believe it at all On September 12, 2012, Clinton Told The Egyptian Prime Minister That The Administration Knew The Benghazi Attack “Had Nothing To Do With The Film” And That It “Was A Planned Attack-Not A Protest.”
She also emailed that to her daughter Hillary Clinton sent an email to her daughter, Chelsea, on Sept. 11, 2012 in which she asserted that an al-Qaida-like group was responsible for the terrorist attacks in Benghazi, it was revealed during the former secretary of state’s testimony to the House Select Committee on Benghazi.
You defend her when they sent a man to prison for a year to cover up her filthy lies.
https://archives-benghazi-republicans-oversight.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/documents/Tab%2080.pdf read it!
@Greg:
What happened to that “mountain” of sure-fire, dead-bang evidence Schiff and all the others had right at their fingertips, just waiting to be revealed to the public that PROVED Trump colluded with the Russians to win his election; evidence which was driving the numerous investigations of Trump, his team and his campaign? That’s not just a bad dream, Greggie… all that “evidence” disappearing and being forgotten over night really happened. Every bit of the accusations, suspicions and investigations were based solely on lies and, worse, all the accusers and investigators NEW they were lies. The nation has been dragged through the sewer before the entire world in order to pursue an attempted coup and that most definitely needs to be gotten to the very bottom of. If you actually had a concern about the Russians interfering in our elections, the FACT that a coup was attempted against a legal, Constitutional election should concern you more.
Sadly, it doesn’t, just as Obama LETTING the Russians do whatever they wanted (Obama’s promised “flexibility”) with our electoral process. Their efforts was far less invasive than Obama’s illegal surveillance, Democrat fraud, illegal immigrants voting, media putting their fingers on the scales and the false accusations against Trump.
At least Benghazi actually happened. We’ve had three investigations of Trump based on LIES.
@kitt:
Greg’s not going to answer that question; that would shake the very core of his belief system. Just as he totally ignores how all the Democrats and liberal media, the FBI and CIA leadership all lied about any reason to launch investigations of Trump, he can’t face the fact that WE know the truth of the matter. So, he blocks such facts out of his consciousness. You can’t drag honesty out of liberals.
@Deplorable Me: This was his weasel answer
He never listened to a minute of the hearings, never advised by his TV what lying slime both Obama and Hillary were. There were American troops spining to assist Bengahzi, we were trying to find out who gave the stand down order, and why.
His TV told him it was political theater, it was murder, it was to cover up gun running to terrorists. Stevens begged for more security and a 50 cal wasnt pretty and might upset Barrys besties.
@kitt, #39:
What you’re doing there is not answering a perfectly straightforward question. Let me ask it again, a bit more clearly:
Given all that was known and all that was going on at the time—that is, violent demonstrations and attacks on U.S. embassies all over the world precipitated by the airing of a video calculated to enrage extremist Muslim factions that had already responded irrationally and violently to such provocations—in what sense was it a criminal act to have concluded that the attack in Benghazi had something to do with the damn video?
At the very worst, this conclusion was nothing more than incorrect, and I don’t believe it was entirely that. I think most reasonable people would conclude that the video DID have something to do with all the demonstrations and violence. Anyone paying the least bit of attention to the news should have understood that it took very little to set these people off. People were being killed for drawing political cartoons. People were killed because some goofy preacher in Florida announced a public Koran burning. Do you imagine the airing of a video intended to defame Mohammad somehow went unnoticed?
@Greg: She emailed Egypt before Stevens was cold. She stuck with the contrived excuse as his coffin came off the plane. They imprisoned a man to keep their lie going. Name the embassies attacked over that You Tube video, Im sure jihadists search You tube for, offensive to their pedophile prophet, snowflake souls. Nice, we enforce Islamic Shariah law here in the States by jailing the maker of a poorly made cartoon video that was up for 5 years. Did it offend his second wife Val?
You must have been the last one to give up the belief, brother I have to break it to you….. there is no Easter bunny.
@Greg:
And what “embassies all over the world” were they? List them. Describe the “violent” demonstrations. Remember to be “violent” there must be violence involved.
The truth is that Obama was sleeping and was not disturbed when the Benghazi attack started (he must have needed his beauty sleep) and multiple calls were made once the attack started for American assistance for the Americans at Benghazi.
And you wonder why I call you Greggie Goebbels. The left gives you lies and you lap them up like a starving dog.
@Greg: Are you willfully that uninformed, Greg?
For example, the Mohammad cartoons in the Danish press:
Even at the time those were published there were CRICKETS from the Muslim world.
An Egyptian newspaper republished those same innocuous cartoons a few weeks later and STILL there were CRICKETS from the Muslim world!
It took a filthy, lying creep of a imam to ADD several really offensive cartoons to those innocuous ones and to preach all over Europe’s most extremist Mosques for a month before the 1st response came.
And even that was tame.
Later he took his phony cartoons to Pakistan when they caused riots and the murders of a couple of Catholic nuns.
THEN, and ONLY then did Muslims in Europe get upset about the cartoons, but the ones they were really upset about were the counterfeit ones the imam made up himself!
Before his lie was uncovered over 50 people were dead and fatwas (Mosque-sanctioned hits) were put out on the heads of all the cartoonists.
So, when you say, we have to go by what we knew “back then,” which “back then” do you mean?
The months of CRICKETS by Muslims all over the world?
Or, when the effect of the inciting imam led to riots?
Or, when the truth of the fact that the violence was because of the faked cartoons?
@Nan G: What is wrong with people Libyan militant jailed for 22 years in US. However he was acquitted of murder and other charges. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and a state department technician died of smoke inhalation when armed men set fire to a building in the diplomatic compound. The attackers later fired mortar rounds at a CIA building, killing two former Navy Seals.
Who set the fire? He should have been executed.
@retire05, #42:
Seriously? Does cult protocol now include memory wipes?
Here’s a little refresher article from Wikipedia, complete with a list of all the places where related protests and violent demonstrations occurred, complete with 257 footnotes citing the sources. From the same:
There’s a map, showing the various locations where angry demonstrations and protests occurred. Note how many there are, and how widely distributed. Below the map are the details. Do we at least remember what happened in Cairo? That began the same day that the Benghazi diplomatic compound was overrun.
I think I’m not even going to engage with this complete and utter nonsense. The topic has been covered here multiple times before. It’s like trying to instill factual historical information into a bowl of goldfish.
@Greg:
This FA thread was first shown on October 6, 2018 and the last post to it was October 8, 2018.
Yet, here you are, a full six months later, trying to pump new life into it. Do you have nothing better to do with your time than dreg up old articles and post on them? It seems you do that a lot.
I suggest you see a psychiatrist and find a hobby; perhaps basket weaving or yoga.
BTW, Wikipedia is not a reliable source.
@Greg: Sure dude wikipedia …seems all the protests happened after Sept 13th the attack on on the embassy in Bengahzi happened on the 11th, 9-11/12 does 9-11 ring a bell? After the lie came out, then the attacks on other embassies happened else these “protestors” would not have known about the film. read your own source use logic. It was Hillary and her free advertising of the flick that sparked it.
No Bunny
Perhaps you shouldn’t have said the following, if you didn’t want it to be pointed out that you’re pretty much full of it:
So, there’s your list, as requested. And a location map. And a explanation of what happened at each location. All brought together in one lucid, concise presentation.
The thing about Wikipedia is that those who contribute to the articles collected there are expected to cite their sources. That would be where the 257 footnotes related to this particular article come in. Your problem with Wikipedia is that you don’t like such a handy compendium of factual information, when facts are often a serious problem for the administration you blindly follow. Wikipedia is more useful, reliable, and trustworthy, and accessible that most other information sources found online. As a general rule, they have no ulterior motives.
@Greg: Wikipedia can be edited by anyone for any ulterior motive, Hillary caused the attacks with her stupid lie.
Still no bunny
Wikipedia articles are constantly monitored so that such material can be promptly removed, with the history of every addition or deletion documented and accessible in the history and discussion section of each article. Controversial information is identified as such. I imagine some people also find that very annoying.