I’m pretty sure everyone was warned well in advance that if voters gave control of the House back to the Democrats, the “agenda” for the next two years was going to have more to do with trying to cause trouble for Donald Trump than developing any new policies to help the nation. Those predictions are already coming true, barely two months into Nancy Pelosi’s speakership. The latest salvo is coming from the Ways and Means Committee, where Massachusetts Democratic Chairman Richard Neal is preparing to issue demands for years worth of President Trump’s personal tax returns. What do they need them for? The word salad explaining the answer to that question is a wonder to behold. (NBC News)
The top tax-writing committee in the House is readying a request for years of President Donald Trump’s personal tax returns that is expected to land at the Internal Revenue Service as early as the next few weeks, NBC News has learned. And Democrats are prepared to “take all necessary steps,” including litigation, in order to obtain them.
Ways and Means Committee Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass., has asked the committee’s attorneys to prepare the request, according to two aides involved in the process. Neal has also contacted the chairs of several other House investigative committees, including Oversight and Government Reform, Financial Services, Intelligence and Judiciary, asking them to provide detailed arguments for why they need the president’s tax returns to conduct their probes.
“Every day the American people and Congress learn more about President Trump’s improprieties, from conflicts of interest to influence peddling, potential tax evasion and violations of the Constitution — all roads leading back to President Trump’s finances,” said Ashley Etienne, spokeswoman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
The fact that the initial announcement is coming from a spokesperson out of Pelosi’s office is telling. That means that this plan was being hatched, or at least fully endorsed, in the Speaker’s office. They’re assembling the biggest wave of pressure that can be managed in the effort, too. Before moving forward, Neal is asking for justifications from the leading Democrats in multiple committees as to why they should be able to do this.
It’s true that the Ways and Means Committee has the legal authority to request the private tax returns of any citizen, and in theory, they could initiate legal action in an attempt to force the issue. (That’s why Neal was stuck with the job.) But such requests have to be made as part of an investigation into a crime where the tax returns would provide relevant information. And the government is held to strict accountability in terms of when a private citizen’s tax returns can even be looked at, say nothing of making them public. If you don’t think that those returns will be showing up in the New York Times on the same day the Democrats get hold of them, I’ve got some prime Florida swampland to sell you.
A request such as this would generally be expected to begin with law enforcement investigating a crime. What crime do the Democrats claim has taken place where the President’s personal tax returns might be relevant? The only thing we’re hearing so far, aside from vague charges of “improprieties” is a claim of “potential tax evasion.” Really?
@Greg: The question is can they change the rules dealing with a national election. It doesnt matter how the Dems piss on the constitution Cali is a no win for Trump they ballot harvest.
They can, with regard to their presidential primaries. That’s what California has just done, by means that are entirely in compliance with their state constitution. Republican-majority state legislatures have been exercising their regulatory power to the detriment of Democratic Party candidates for some time now.
The GOP may have rolled over for Donald Trump, but there’s no reason he should expect the Democratic Party to do so. He pretty much declared war on the Democratic Party and all of the idealistic American people who proudly support it. Also on the nation’s press, which he has labeled “the enemy of the people”. He has made resistance to himself seem like an existential battle in defense of the soul of the nation. What does he think the result will be? It’s a fortunate thing for us all that our system allows the battle to be waged in the press, the courts, and at the ballot box.
“For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.”
Those are party affairs, not federal election issues. That’s how the DNC can get away with fraud to make sure Hillary was their candidate. Parties can pick their candidate however they see fit, but the actual election is a federal affair and some insane state doesn’t get to determine how it is done. Besides, does whatever California does affect Trump’s chance of winning California? They are a liberal write-off, already a loss… in more ways than just the ballot.
Um… they already did. Remember 2016 when Hillary was telling the DNC how to spend its money and was in full control of the nomination process? Sheesh, Greg, you can pick some of the WORST examples for your arguments.
No, he hasn’t. You KNOW that’s a lie.
That is a lie, looking at land mass this country is Republican dominated, breaking it into districts the urban areas have their liars and thieves to represent them. The more rural areas have the GOP representing them. Such is the case in WI our assembly is Republican dominated, with Madison, La Cross and Milwaukee reps being Democrats.
The GOP has rolled over to the will of its voters, not Trump, something the DNC should learn there isnt a walk away campaign for the GOP, in august 2019 African-Americans for Trump was up to 36 percent.
I wonder what is behind the lies that he is racist.
But polls suck we mostly have to wait for the vote count.
Teach a man to fish he will eat for a lifetime, promise him someone elses fish he will vote Democrat.
@Deplorable Me, #203:
California’s new financial disclosure requirement pertains specifically to their own state’s primary election ballot, Sherlock. That’s not a federal election.
I think his feelings about the Democratic Party and its supporters are entirely clear. As for the press, please refer to the following:
Now, now, now. Doc asked us to be NICE. That includes those who support liars and socialists.
He always refers to “fake news”. If you would recall, one of those questions you went out of your way to avoid answering was if you consider the media lying to the American people as bad. Since you were afraid to make your thoughts on the matter known, this means you SUPPORT the media lying to the people, as long as the lies are supporting the liberal agenda (and, of course, they always are).
Indeed, FAKE NEWS, i.e., the media lying to the people IS the enemy of the people. Apparently, CONTEXT is the enemy of liberals, as well as truth.
@Deplorable Me: Much like the DNC suit against Trumps campaign as the Judge said entiely divorced from the facts, so are Greg and Richies information sources. Obviously they use google to search the internet and Snopes to fact check, backed up by wikipedia.
BBC News, August 6, 2019 – Trump sues California over candidates’ tax return law
He’s certainly the primary reason for the bill, but that doesn’t make it unlawful. The law could also keep Joe Biden’s name off the California primary ballot, as he released only the most recent three years of his returns in preparation for his 2020 run. Biden had previously released the last 18 years, but skipped a year after not entering the 2016 race.
That’s the nature of a primary ballot qualification requirement. But it won’t keep Trump’s name off the California general election ballot. His chances of being nominated by the Republican Party as their general election candidate are probably about 100 percent. The California primary election will have no effect on that at all.
California has not imposed a supplement qualification for the presidency—only for a name to appear on the state primary ballot, which is under the state’s jurisdiction. His name would still appear on the general election ballot.
And there are still only three. Nothing California has done changes that, or could change that.
The U.S. Constitution doesn’t speak to the matter of state primary elections. It leaves them under the authority of the individual states.
The text of California Senate Bill 27 – Presidential Tax Transparency and Accountability Act – now signed into law.
If Trump had not openly defied an existing federal law that gives Congress an oversight power to obtain and confidentially review a president’s tax returns upon request, this would not be happening.
@Greg: Take note that Trump is not doing this for HIS OWN benefit. Whether he is on the California ballot or not is totally inconsequential. He hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of ever winning California. He is doing this to establish a precedent against socialists making up their own rules and laws to lead the entire country into ruinous socialism.
If the whining idiot Nadler actually had a lawful reason to SEE those returns, Trump would have no basis to refuse. If there was no Constitution, Nadler could peruse anything of anyone’s he wanted and throw whomever he wanted into prison. If Democrats had a single worthy, electable candidate, they wouldn’t have to worry about Trump’s taxes. If the dog hadn’t stopped to shit, he’d caught the rabbit. If, if, if, if.
He’s not getting them and he’s not getting Kavanaugh’s Bush White House documents, either. Maybe figuring out some budget cuts, reforming immigration, approving vital trade treaties or other really important issues could be addressed?
NAAAAAAH… these are Democrats.
Of course he’s doing it for his own benefit. Just like he lied when he promised to release them for his own benefit, and then lied about the reason that he couldn’t for his own benefit. We’re coming up on another election year, and his pitching the same old b.s., and now he’s pretending to be doing it out of principle. The man has no principles.
The law requires the IRS to provide them to the House Ways and Means Committee for confidential review when requested, no ands, ifs, or buts. He ordered his flunkies to break that law to evade Congressional oversight. The only principle he’s upholding is his personal view that Donald Trump should be allowed to get away with what he wants.
@Greg: No collusion, no obstruction, no crimes. No one gets anyone else’s tax returns without their permission or a lawful need. Curiosity and butthurt is not a lawful need.
The complete lack of interest in oversight of your own corrupt Democrats belies the absolute irrefutable fact that NOTHING the Democrats do is not a political witch hunt.
Trump Lawyers Argue He Cannot Be Criminally Investigated – The president’s legal team is trying to block a subpoena seeking his tax returns, claiming that any criminal investigation of Mr. Trump is unconstitutional.
That is, he could literally shoot a man on Fifth Avenue, and not even be investigated for it.
The key word being “delay”.
Yeah, he lied to the American people about that. So what of it? If they were stupid enough to elect him, that’s their problem.
That is, He’s above the law.
And he’s far, far above the reach of the laws of any pissant state, the governments of which apparently lack the constitutional authority and significance that republicans seem to believe they have.
Hey, it’s all false news. Just pretend it isn’t happening, and that it has no significance if it actually is.
@Greg: Without a specific criminal need, they aren’t going to see his taxes.
@Deplorable Me, #213:
…and you can’t conclusively demonstrate that he’s a criminal without first examining his tax returns. Isn’t that tidy!
You’d turn on a dime concerning the unlawful withholding of tax returns from Congress, if a Democratic Party president were suspected of only a tenth as much.
@Greg: You are making the insane assumption any information that would link to criminal activity would be reported to the IRS.
You are either dense or simply obsessed with seeing others private financial information.
Actually, the law requires that income from unlawful activity be reported and taxes be paid on such income. The 5th Amendment provides protection from self incrimination, and the specific source of the income doesn’t have to be revealed.
@Greg: Criminals really care about the stinking law, you are delusional. And if no source is revealed how would it be determined it was from a criminal source OUIJA board?
First, what the F**K do YOU care about proving anything? You and your liberal crybabies operate 100% on the premise of conviction by accusation. You have NEVER shown an interest in any kind of proof whatsoever and, when you HAVE it, you ignore it.
However, it is conclusive proof you need to access someone’s privacy; it is a credible accusation. You don’t have one. All you have is your whiny rant, “Mean old Trump defeated Hillary and denied liberals their socialist utopia, so we think he is evil and corrupt. DESTROY!! DESTROY!!”
I wanted Fast and Furious, IRS targeting, the Obamacare debacle, Benghazi, Iran, illegal spying, emails, Uranium One and numerous other distinct, specific and credible examples of corruption investigated. I have NEVER wanted the scatter-gun digging and probing in the hopes of stumbling across SOMETHING useful you Democrats are involved in employed because, as you know, that is unconstitutional.
WHAT unlawful activity?
Because, you know, if the laws don’t apply to Dad, they shouldn’t apply to us, either.
January 3, 2022 – Eldest Trump children won’t comply with subpoenas from New York attorney general
Former President Trump’s eldest son and daughter have refused to comply with subpoenas issued by the New York State attorney general’s office as it conducts a civil investigation into the way the family real estate business valued its holdings.
“A dispute has arisen between the OAG and the Individual Trump Parties regarding the Subpoenas,” a document filed Monday said.
The document, filed jointly by New York Attorney General Letitia James and an attorney for the Trump Organization, said Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump will now be named as respondents in James’ ongoing inquiry, which parallels a criminal investigation by the Manhattan District Attorney’s office.
Donald Trump Jr. and Ivanka Trump will file motions to quash the subpoenas as soon as Monday, the filing indicated.
The former president and his company have denied wrongdoing and have attacked the investigation as political.
The ongoing criminal investigation has so far resulted in indictments against the Trump Organization and its longtime chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg on tax charges.
Prosecutors said the company had been paying Weisselberg’s rent, living expenses, private school tuition and car lease without proper reporting on tax returns. Both pleaded not guilty.
Besides, you can’t PROVE we did anything wrong, because you have no PROOF. So we don’t have to cooperate with your stupid investigations.
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” Samuel Johnson (1709-84)
Village idiot greggie, there are several Amendments to the Constitution as well as numerous presidents that prevent obtaining records when there is no evidence of a crime. Maybe you should run for village idiot of the year since you have tremendous credentials.
I share your frustrations but in a different case. Public servants,, Election officials refusing to hand over public election data. We actually have film of them committing election crimes in PA and GA.
Trump and his children have a constitutional right to hold their private papers, and to remain silent. But election records are the property of the public. Destruction of those records is a crime. Where are the attorney Generals to investigate and prosecute the actual known crimes?
They need some evidence of a crime. All they have is an accusation. We’ve been down this road before; the left goes on fishing expedition after fishing expedition and all they end up with is egg on their stupid, lying faces. Just like “Russian collusion”.
Another outdated thread. greg is desperate
White collar crime threads never seem to go out of date.
Crybabies whining because they can’t defeat a superior leader is totally dated. You should give it a rest.
Trump WAS defeated, by over 7 million votes. The whining you’ve been hearing since then has been your own.
Um… no. That’s not what happen. Idiot Biden got installed in office through fraud, as has been clearly shown. IF Trump had been defeated, why do you spoiled little crybabies keep trying to re-defeat him?
It’s basically a clear admission that Trump was only wounded and you are so deathly afraid of him and his capacity for success and benefit to the American people.