Jim Geraghty:
The Los Angeles Times finds that a significant portion of Bernie Sanders donors have no income:
Condit, who has several physical disabilities, is among the largest single group of Sanders’ donors — those who don’t have a job. Of the $209 million given to the Vermont senator’s campaign, about one out of every four dollars came from those not in the workforce, who include the unemployed or retired.
Bernie Sanders has spent his campaign telling Americans that the often-cited unemployment rate around 5 percent is false; he points out, accurately, that if you include those people who have given up looking for work and the millions of people who work part time, the rate is roughly double. (Some of us have made this point for a long time!)
A core element of the Sanders campaign argument is that the economy is pretty lousy. (He blames millionaires and billionaires and big corporations instead of the Obama administration, of course.) If Hillary Clinton wants to win over these Sanders supporters, she’s going to have to start sounding like she shares, or at least understands their view that the economy stinks, jobs and opportunities are few, and that the Great Recession never ended.
At nearly 30% of all his donors, these people who do not work are his biggest donor class.
And people made a mockery of Mitt Romney for his 47% remark.
Tytler was correct:
Is this guy knocking people with physical disabilities? Trump’s disability kept him out of The Viet Nam war.
Articles such as this one, by Jim Geraghty, should be prefaced with instructions:
The relevant fact isn’t that those who are not presently working represent the single largest category of Sander’s donors. It’s that this particular category represents only 28.6 percent of the total.
In other words, 71.4 percent of Sander’s donors are currently employed.
Also, the count of contributors that aren’t working includes retired people. Those who are retired aren’t necessarily “have nots.”
Jim Geraghty is engaging in some verbal sleight of hand, attempting to convince readers that the meaning of the statistics is the exact opposite of what they actually suggest.
@Richard Wheeler: #2
Funny, then I should be triply offended, shouldn’t I? I’m disabled, a veteran, and retired.
Let me check…
Nope. Not offended. Not at all. Don’t try and speak for people like me. You’ll only fail.
@Greg: #3
Excellent point, Greg. I wonder what the percentages are for the other candidates. Not that it really matters, I suppose. Voters should consider the candidates, not those who support them. Politics brings out some real nutcases.
A better poll would have been how many want the government to run everything so they can fit in as mindless voting leeches on the intelligent ambitious. The other 5% would be hoping for some impossible utopia.
@Richard Wheeler: Ah… so it’s not just MY statements you can’t read and comprehend. Whew… I thought it was personal.
Like when Obama’s “stimulus” handed his campaign supporters billions of dollars and they dutifully turned around and donated millions to his campaign, so the taxpayer gets, again, to contribute heavily to a campaign that would put the working class in the business of supporting the lazy class.
What’s more, they are stupid enough to keep electing people that are causing the economy to collapse, at which time people who are dependent on government will be ill prepared to meet the challenge.
What percent of the people who post here are working full time ?
I bet less than 75%
What percent receive some sort of socialist hand out?
Bill and Kitt both know that they are among the elite and must certainly know what is best for us
Are they also part of tfat no working group of slackers?
@John: What percentage of people named “John” posting here lash out with pointless, unfounded arguments when they can’t refute a point?
Pretty high.
Oooopz!
Looks like I hit a site spot Bill
Did you feel SADZ ?
Are you part of that non worker group?
Did I somehow do a micro aggression into that part of the internet that you thought was a safe space ?
Would an apology for “lashing out” make you feel better about being yourself?
I will try harder in the future Bill not to victimize you by “lashing out”
@John: Your “lashing out” is more like a little girl flailing her arms around trying to hit something. Perhaps instead of spending so much time hanging around hi way rest stops at night, you could educate yourself on the abject failure of your ideology.
And, I work full time and, thanks to Obama’s failed economy sapping the life out of my retirement, probably will for some time to come.
Bill although i have a CDL A and have driven over the road I am currently working in the booming construction that we have here in NYC mostly as a mason tender.
Too bad you didn’t put that retirement money in the stock market. You would have almost tripled your investment under Obama. So
Bill what sort of work do you do now? And how was your retirement fund adversely impacted by Obama? Jaysus I hope you didn’t put all that money in coal stocks!
@john: Maybe he should have put his money in these Obama green winners
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.
The $ amounts are your taxes hard at work.
The GM Bond holders got the shaft. Lesson if the government touches the business SELL!
I am part of the retired elite not a cent taken from uncle sam, I opt out of the shit AHC and prefer to pay the additional tax. I have the luxury of watching my grandchildren for my daughter as she is a worker bee supporting worthless takers/eaters on the government dime. (Those that have paid a lifetime in taxes are exempt from my comment)As my investments are not producing sufficiently I am currently also flipping a foreclosure house.
@john: Yeah, well I’ve been in the market. It gains and it loses. Oh, that’s right… being a liberal, you only get the news when the market climbs, not when it takes its 200 point nose-dives.
@kitt: Yeah, just think if we had the luxury of being one of those liberal insiders, we could take all the gains from those taxpayer-subsidized green boondoggles and got out before they crashed and burned, taking all the taxpayer money with it. As it is, we’re just working stiffs paying for the liberal dream.
@Bill: and Kitt Speaking as a former Merrill Lyncher I can assure you this 150%+ gain in all 3 major indiciis since Jan I 2009 is unprecedented. If you’d “invested” in SandP 500 fund and didn’t trade you’d have done very well. Real Estate has also rebounded dramatically from it”s o9 lows.
As usual the rich have gotten richer—-and the poor?/–well you know.
Kitt—could you speak to Bill about his misguided devotion to Trump—Thanks
You mean like this?
@Richard Wheeler: I am far from wealthy, I have invested enough to be comfortable, pay bills eat out once in a while. I dont want to be filthy rich seems they have more problems with boredom some even run for President.
Those that have chosen tRump to support are beyond my reach all I can do is keep my own integrity.
The convention has not happened and there are certain rules that can take the seat from Trump if the GOP has any respect for the office of the President.
They may rather face the riots from a convention coup rather than national riots if Trump actually wins the election.
I can see it happening if Trump doesn’t get a real platform and thinks he can bash Hillary or Bernie til he is by his own great merits awarded the White House.
@Richard Wheeler:
Nanny any chance of you retelling that story about the Olympic speed skating team ? You know the one that DIDN’T all die in the airplane crash in Europe?????
@john:
If I even remotely thought that was relevant to this thread, I might.
Reaching off the topic or the shotgun approach is an example of flailing when losing an argument.
@Nanny G: Yeah, that pretty much nails it, only she come off as a bit more rational.
@Richard Wheeler: http://latesteconomynews.org/news/2016/06/aaron-persky-brock-turner-judge-stanford-recall-petition-election-photos-sentence/
More definitive proof that it is JUST possible that a left-leaning judge can rule based on personal bias rather than as the law demands. Nothing Trump has said implies, as the “news” and some cowardly Republicans contend, that the judge cannot make a fair ruling because he is of Mexican heritage… what he says is that many indications make it appear that he cannot make a fair ruling because of his politics which favor illegal immigrants. Since Trump has vowed to fight illegal immigration and since this judge favors groups and candidates which favor illegal immigration, what is so baffling about Trump’s suspicion?
You should try to learn to accept a fact despite your hatred.
@Nanny G:
well Nanny I thought it might be nice to remind people about your story since it seemed you also were telling us some sort of little girl story and “flailing around at reality” by telling us that story about skating with the Olympic speedskaters who later all died in the airplane crash in 1960 in Europe
@Bill: You keep spinning it Bill. You and the Donald should probably stop digging. His angry white male base is secure. He needs to reach out if he wants to be Prez.
@Richard Wheeler: And you remain stuck to your “I hate Trump, so common sense has no place in my thinking” trajectory towards your coveted Hillary Presidency and a continuation of the liberal disaster being visited upon the Ameicam people, the nation and the world.
@Bill: If you can point out one sentence where I have said anything good about HRC I’ll send you a hundred bucks.
Have you read Conservative author Wordsmith’s 3 recent postings re DT. Suggest you do so.
You are the one who lacks common sense, and like your revered Trump, are inclined to false narratives. and accusations.
@Richard Wheeler: How about pointing out, then, where I have displayed fandom for Trump?
You have two choices… Hillary or Trump. You may want neither one, but you are GETTING one of them. So, which one is worse? You HAVE to vote for the other.
Starting to get a bit more clear now?
Unless you live in one of the 12 or so competitive battleground states you also might consider writing in the name of someone not on the ballot
Or doing so even if in a battle ground state but the election results are widely believed to already be known
like I’m the last 2 POTUS elections
@kitt:
Well of course actually the best thing to do is to diversify. At the time Obama got his Stimulus passed the market was at 6500 it has gone up 10000 points since then
Capitalists have done very well under Obama, especially happy because they got to keep all those tax breaks from Bush.
@john: Unfortunately this economy has been kept afloat by printing money and low interest rates, this tinkering by the reserve only works for a little while but does great damage in the long run. Without the drag of AHC on the economy they wouldn’t have had to tinker near as much. We may all have to take an investment hit when the tinkering stops. Its best to prepare to see your portfolio 1/2 or worse.
@john: No, to be accurate, a VERY LIMITED FEW have done well under Obama. Your much maligned “income gap” has grown wider and wider under Obama while the middle and poverty class have suffered.