Just how seriously should we take this effort by Congress to head off conspiracy theories in the wake of Jeffrey Epstein’s suicide? “Where you have few facts, you have much speculation,” says … Rep. Al Green (D-TX), the man who has pushed articles of impeachment almost since Donald Trump’s inauguration. Rest assured we can take this seriously in the same House where Jerrold Nadler and Adam Schiff are still flogging the Russia-collusion theory.
And you know who’d take the lead on this, right?
Members of Congress, furious over Jeffrey Epstein’s death in federal custody, are set on getting to the bottom of it before the many conspiracy theories swirling around the accused serial sex offender’s demise completely overshadow the facts.
They are, obviously, running far behind. By the time the Democratic and Republican leaders of the House Judiciary Committee sent a letter to the Federal Bureau of Prisons on Monday demanding answers about the circumstances of Epstein’s apparent suicide, the country already had two full days to marinate in President Trump’s retweet of a conspiracy theory that former President Bill Clinton was somehow to blame. …
“Where you have few facts, you have much speculation,” said Rep. Al Green (D-TX). “If we don’t get facts before the people… we will find ourselves dealing with speculation about what happened in that cell.”
The House Judiciary Committee is currently chaired by none other than Jerrold Nadler. When the nation needs a thorough debunking of conspiracy theory thinking, Nadler’s just the man for the job. We’ll have to wait until he finds every last Russian under the beds of every last Republican, but he’s gonna be on top of it after then.
To be fair, some of the members want the Oversight Committee to take on the job, including Green:
Green, for his part, told The Daily Beast the Epstein case warrants a federal fact-finding effort on par with the Warren Commission that investigated the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The Texas Democrat has written to Trump asking him to appoint a special investigator to head up such a probe; he has also requested that House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-MD) open up an investigation.
While the Judiciary Committee oversees federal prisons, the Oversight Committee’s broad jurisdiction has prompted members to call on Cummings not only to investigate Epstein’s death but also his criminal conduct and others who may have been implicated in it. Spokespeople for Cummings did not respond to requests for comment about the chairman’s plans.
Cummings would be better than Nadler, but … that’s a pretty low bar. The Russia-collusion conspiracy theory was spread far and wide across the House Democrat caucus over the last two-plus years. They don’t have much credibility as conspiracy-theory scolds at this point, especially not with Nadler and Schiff still assaulting the dead equine on practically a daily basis.
This isn’t really a job for Congress anyway, except in a more general sense of resource allocation.
In light of Green’s taxpayer funded history of sexual abuse, I wonder if HE’S used the Lolita lift?
Wait.. what? Isn’t Green impeaching Trump? Why would he want the greatest existential threat America has ever seen appointing a special investigator? And Cummings himself should be under investigation for fraud.
For Democrats, accusation equals guilt, but accusations against fellow liberals need to be tamped down and suppressed. Accusations against Trump had to be based on evidence they themselves created. Accusations against the Clinton Crime Family are based on quite a bit of real evidence, though admittedly no one has been convicted. It is irrefutable that Clinton took numerous trips on a CONVICTED pedophile’s pedophile plane to the pedophile’s pedophile island. We aren’t talking about inhaling or not, either.
The documents with the names on them are getting out and names are known. I sort of think if Trump’s name was on those lists, we would probably now it by now.
I would demand that before any Democrats are involved in this investigation, they would have to explain what happened to all that “proof”.
Eat the official line or be put on a watch list, he plucked hair from his body and secretly made a rope to hang himself with.
Hey Curt. Ed Morrissey wrote this piece, not you. So why does it say “by Curt?” Why don’t you mention or acknowledge Ed? He wrote the words, not you.
@Bobby Randolph: All of the Most Wanted articles are LINKS to other news sources, Bobby.
Curt is the one who chose to link it to Flopping Aces for us, because it fits with what’s going on here,
As to Congress being in a hurry….are they in such a hurry as to quit their vacation of taking August off and getting back to work in DC, or is it just more jawboning?
By the time they do get back to DC this story will have been supplanted by 9 others, each worse than the last, in Dems’ eyes.
@Nan G:
The byline reads “by Curt” with no acknowledgement by Curt who really wrote the piece. A first-time reader would naturally assume that Curt wrote the piece, but he didn’t. That’s dishonest and illegal. In the real world, this is called plagiarism.
Why can’t Curt do the right thing and acknowledge the writer at the start? That’s how Free Republic does it.
@Bobby Randolph:
Just to get you stirred up. He wouldn’t have heard from you otherwise. Do you just ride herd over the internet to see if someone is not accrediting articles the way you want?
Oh its back, Gee what happened last time? Give em da boot! Everyone here knows how it works and along comes the mouth breather.
“‘Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?’ Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had ‘been told’ to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. ‘I was told Epstein “belonged to intelligence” and to leave it alone,’ he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta. (The Labor Department had no comment when asked about this.)”
Alexander Acosta served as Trump’s Labor Secretary from April 28, 2017, to July 19, 2019, when he resigned. Who was advising the transition team during this time, who would want a reward for Acosta playing ball with “intelligence”?
We know the island wasnt the only property owned by Epstein, not the only party palace. Its the one that burned.
When was this deal in Florida cut? Who was in power?
@kitt: Is that how it works? Everyone here knows we don’t acknowledge writers so it’s okay? Just rip them off?
@Bobby Randolph: No one is ripping anything off troll child. Now go play on the rail road tracks.
@kitt: Some liberals don’t seem to have any response to the utter failure of their ideology, do they? They just flail about.
@Deplorable Me: Like the ugly bastid that pressured young actresses into sex for parts Harvey, everyone knew about Jeffy too. Vanity fair rewrote an article exposing him https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/07/08/i-was-silenced-vicky-wards-thread-on-vanity-fair-editing-her-piece-exposing-jeffrey-epstein-clear-back-in-2002-is-unreal/
Now rumours starting he is still alive, intentionally left unsupervised to be murdered etc.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353967/Did-Jeffrey-Epstein-portrait-Bill-Clinton-blue-dress-red-heels-NYC-mansion.html
That’s very surprising. I thought from his tweets about Bill Clinton that Donald was spreading Epstein conspiracy theories.
@Greg: It’s no theory in Clinton’s case.
Maybe Epstein had the goods on Donald, and Donald had him eliminated while in federal custody. It’s no less likely. More likely, maybe. Trump certainly has more current control over the federal apparatus than Clinton, who hasn’t been in office for over 18 years. It was Alex Acosta, Trump’s Department of Labor appointee, who previously cut Epstein an inexplicably lenient plea deal after his previous federal indictment. This was known before his appointment. Epstein and Trump knew each other and moved in the same circles. Epstein’s recruiter was propositioning girls at Mar-o-Lago. She may be in danger of elimination herself. Trump could probably shoot her himself on 5th Avenue.
Guess who isn’t worried…
@Greg: Like all your other fantastic accusations, Trump is not involved in this one, either. I think you are addicted to losing.
@Greg:
Source?
…who’s wife only left that apparatus a few years ago, and is suspect of corruption and was passed on judgement by a FBI Director with ties to her and her former-president husband.
As Trump is reviled by both Dem and GOP alike, it’s far unlikely that he had any power to have Epstein killed.
Much more likely the Clintons, when you apply logic freed of partisan bias…a pattern of those with the dirt on the Clintons end up dead.
Trump? No pattern, or any bodies at all.
Maybe Epstein had the goods on the Clintons?
@Greg:
hahaha..or worried .about having to maintain that manufactured “legacy” that Trump dismantled within a few years of his presidency.
Trump’s accomplishments: Many.
Obama’s accomplishments: none, or all erased by Trump.
@Greg:
Because allowing fake news is what you and your party rely on. Trump actually fights back, and the polls show Americans support Trump way over Democrats.
The election for Trump is already won.
I think this is “greg”:
https://gregmankiw.blogspot.com
NBC archive footage shows Trump partying with Jeffrey Epstein in 1992
Is anybody a lip reader?
The Russians might have videos that are more interesting than this one.
@Greg: OOOohh the Russians have 27 year old footage too? You are too funny, so damn predictable. They have you jumping through hoops before the whip is cracked.
We knew Trump knew Jeffy and he was at Mar a lago That he was made persona non grata, as much as we know Slick took extended junkets with Jeffy on his plane.
We know he got a sweetheart deal in 2008, who was Prez then?
@Greg:
How about some evidence of Trump associating with Epstein after he was a known sex offender and pedophile? Trump kicked him out of Mar a Lago and banned him from returning. Bubba was earning frequent flyer miles on the Lolita Express long after Epstein’s game was known. But, you keep trying. I know it’s all that gives your life meaning.
@Deplorable Me, #24:
Trump probably had Epstein kicked out for poaching on his private game preserve.
Maybe the President of the United States should cease publicly sharing slanderous, tabloid-worthy accusations about his Democratic Party predecessor. You know, since there’s absolutely no evidence supporting any of the vile crap he’s saying.
Maybe we shouldn’t treat conspiracy theories like they were news stories.
@Greg: Those are about as credible as any of your other conspiracy fantasies.
Clinton is a proven sexual predator and his association with a known and operating pedophile is also a proven fact. YOU do the math.
@Deplorable Me, #27:
Oh, please. Have you no clue about Trump’s own predatory history? The man has openly bragged about it, as if it were another feather in his cap. He employed a bag-man to pay off women to keep them quiet. The National Enquirer bought exclusive rights to at least one story to keep it from becoming public knowledge, running afoul of campaign finance law in the process. There are so many known accusers you’d need a scorecard to keep track of them, and there are probably far more offended women who have kept silent than who have said anything publicly.
One thing known with certainty about Trump’s behavior is that he’s very quick to publicly accuse others of the precise things he’s guilty of himself. Witness his preposterous assertion that it was Hillary Clinton, not himself, who colluded with Vladimir Putin to turn the 2016 election. I don’t know how anyone can miss his reliance on this tactic who hasn’t previously been repeatedly struck on the head with a croquet mallet. The entire point is to render the truth itself unknowable and irrelevant. The damage to American politics and national unity will likely be permanent.
@Greg:
No evidence of it. What you WANT to believe (to replace reality) is not what SHOULD be believed.
@Greg:
Unlike the Clintons who hired hitmen. At the very least it isnt healthy to be associated in any way with the Clintons.
Clinton Body Bags – A Legacy –
Vince Foster and Ambassador Stevens not available for comment.
@kitt: Who was it that lost the case and had to pay court costs?
Epstein’s pimps aren’t hiding from the police; they’re hiding from the Clinton’s.
@Greg:
This is well-employed tactic used by the Left, largely perfected during the Obama years. This is also the heart of why people have fallen out with the Left: they accuse others of doing what they are actively doing or have done.
Clinton caught with a home server and destroying emails? In bed with the FBI and protected by the AG?
That’s ok.
Trump the victim of a paid hoax by Clinton for political reasons (Clinton probably colluded with Russia, but far more collusion with the media), found innocent, yet still hounded by corrupt Dems and their propaganda media?
He must be impeached.
Pretty sure you were hit on the head with the croquette mallet, to recognize the hypocrisy of the Left and try to apply it to Trump.
Your party is all about rendering the truth unknowable and irrelevant…to be painted over by your narrative.
The damage done by Clinton and Obama is, thankfully, not permanent.
Trump wins the EC and popular vote in 2020. At least one high-ranking Dem will be outed and end up going to jail.
Neck bone breaks…looks like murder, not suicide. But I’m sure you and your party would render that “unknowable and irrelevant”, because it serves your purpose.
@Deplorable Me:
Oh man a trivia question I will have to brain “Stormy” on that one. 😉
@Greg:
Yeah, Trump should have never hired Fusion GPS, paid through Perkins Coie, to get Christopher Steel (a foreign agent) to contact his Russian contacts to build a false dossier against poor Hillary.
You’re an idiot.
@retire05: Wonder if he can name the Russian?
The broad that Glenn sent to Trump Tower?
The Professor that trains Diplomats?
They must have a Russian somewhere that Trump colluded with….look under the bed, in the closet, no … no dont go down the basement alone….not in high heels, dont do it noooooooo Greg stop!
Retire05, pass the popcorn this is not going to end well.
@retire05: Or took a half million dollars from him for our Uranium.
Why would the Russians have paid Clinton half a million for uranium? They have more than enough of their own, producing nearly three times as much as the United States. With half a million dollars, they probably could have bought Greenland instead.
@Greg: You seem to think people are pretty dumb. It isn’t so much a matter of them having more but the US having less. The half million (for a speech. Yeah. Right) was only a down payment. Russians pumped another million into the Clinton Foundation.
If the Russians didn’t want or need the uranium, why did they have Uranium One buy it and illegally remove it from the country?
Probably so they could secretly ship it to Iran to be refined and made into nuclear warheads, all under the cover of Obama’s Iran Nuclear Deal.
The right really should try to work that into their Uranium One conspiracy theory. As far as I can tell, the crazier a detail is, the better.
The U.S. actually imports most of the uranium we use as reactor fuel. Not because we don’t have our own deposits, but because it’s cheaper.
Uranium One was a business deal. As has been pointed out more times than I can remember, Clinton had no individual authority or power to either approve or deny the deal. The allegations have been thoroughly investigated in spite of that. No evidence of governmental wrongdoing was found. Yet the issue keeps being raised, in spite of that, too. It will continue to be, because conspiracy theory, lies, and slander are now important parts of the republican political tool kit.
@Greg:
She indeed DID have the authority to approve or deny it. So did Holder. And they both knew of the investigation that showed Uranium One was Russian controlled, but they gave their approval anyway.
No wrongdoing was found because no investigation has been concluded. Like emails, if they don’t look they won’t find.
@Nathan Blue:
“Polls show Americans support Trump way over Democrats.”
Nathan, what polls are you referencing? I haven’t seen one poll that has Trump beating any Democrat.
@Deplorable Me, #40:
This is not simply untrue; it is complete and utter nonsense.
The reviewing authority was the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. Clinton WAS NOT a member of that committee, and the State Department’s representative on the committee was only one of nine voting members.
Clinton simply didn’t have the authority to either approve or deny the deal. She could not have done what she’s accused of doing even if she had wanted to.
Don’t take my word for it. It’s easy enough to look up CFIUS, read about the committee review process, and find out how it all works for yourself.
@Greg:
No it isn’t and your denial of the fact is a simple case of you lying to me in the hopes I am stupid enough to believe your lie.
She supported it because she got millions of dollars from Russia to do what they told her to do. Oh, she would have made a great President.
@Deplorable Me:
Why don’t you take the time to read up on what Greg suggests instead of carrying on like a petulant child?
https://www.thirdway.org/memo/debunking-the-uranium-one-scandal
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-conspiracy-theory-distraction-trump-russia-694525%3famp=1
I’m new here, but you are both uninformed and insufferable.
@George Elgar:
There you go, genius. Her job was to make a recommendation to the President. She KNEW, as well as Holder, that Russia controlled a company wanting to buy US uranium. NEITHER made the recommendation to block the sale.
Obviously, she APPROVED it.
Or, they all objected and Obama simply made a down payment on his future “flexibility”. Who do you prefer to believe is the scumbag, treacherous liar that sold vital US strategic material to a global adversary? One thing we know; Hillary and Bill took millions of dollars in “donations” from Russia. You do the math.
NEXT?!?!
@Deplorable Me:
The COMMITTEE needed to approve it. And they did. That’s still unclear to you?
@GeorgeElgar: SHE’S part of the committee. That’s still unclear to you?
Holder was part of the committee. That’s still unclear to you?
They had the FBI report on Uranium one showing Russian control. That’s still unclear to you?
They either ignored that dangerous warning or Obama ignored their warnings. That’s still unclear to you?
They had a RESPONSIBILITY to protect the country and simply ignored their responsibility for personal enrichment. That’s still unclear to you?
@Deplorable Me:
This is like talking to a wall. Clinton was one vote of nine. Holder was one vote of nine. These points seem to be lost on you.
Did Hillary sway the NRC as well? Their approval was needed.
What danger are you even referring to? Uranium One did not have a license to export.
@kitt:
hyoid bone fracture is the hallmark to strangulation and not hanging
@George Elgar:
A wall of truth.
Did they, knowing the Russians controlled Uranium One and this uranium was going into their control, oppose the sale? Had they it would have been denied. THIS POINT is lost to you.
You are such an ill-informed fool; just what Democrats depend on.
Uranium sold by Hillary and Obama removed from US, despite promises
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/358339-uranium-one-deal-led-to-some-exports-to-europe-memos-show
Gone. Lost. Who knows who possesses it now. THIS TOO is lost you. But, liberals don’t care about what endangers or weakens this nation, do they?