Game Changer in Ukraine–REferenda

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by Larry Johnson

Now we are getting some insight into Russia’s activities over the last three weeks. It now appears that the withdrawal/retreat from Kharkov was part of a broader plan that is going to culminate in the referenda by the oblasts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson starting this Friday. This is not some last minute, desperate stunt. It flows logically from Russia’s attempt to use the Special Military Operation as leverage to compel serious negotiations on the futures and independence of Donetsk and Luhansk.
 
There is some great commentary on this. I suggest you watch at least one of the following from the boys at Duran or Andrei Martyanov:
 

 

 

 
The referenda are part of a dance with Russian law. Russia’s Duma has met and passed legislation that will govern how new territories, along with their citizens, are admitted into the Russian Republic. I must emphasize that the decision to hold the referenda this week was made some weeks ago. Ukraine’s continued shelling of civilians in the Donbas made this move an imperative.
 
Once the votes are completed and the results announced, the next move will be Russia’s–i.e., welcoming the former Ukrainian oblasts into the Russian Republic. Once they are admitted, any further attack by Ukraine on those territories will be an act of war against Russia. Putin has made it very clear that he will act against any nation waging war against Russia and its citizens. This move is putting the United States and NATO on notice. If they continue to enable Ukrainian attacks on Russian citizens then they will be targeted in response.
 
We are crossing a threshold that could escalate into World War III. I am certain that Vladimir Putin is not playing games. He is not Joe Biden. He does not speak foolishly off-the cuff nor does he make idle threats. From the Russian perspective, Russia’s very existence is at stake.
 
This should sober the west up, but that is unlikely. France’s Macron was first out of the gate today issuing empty threats against Russia. Biden’s White House was close behind. Howls of outrage. But Russia no longer cares. It has watched the west play the mute during the last 8 years while the democratically elected President of Ukraine was forced from office (with the active backing of UK and US officials) and while Ukraine subsequently killed thousands of men, women and children in the Donbas. The west was quite clear–it did not care.
 
Washington and NATO have shot their wad and have no credible conventional military force to counter Russia accepting the results of the referenda. Their only alternative beyond throwing a tantrum is to threaten the use of nuclear weapons.
 
Despite the potential peril of this moment, I am amused by the irony of the United States, the United Kingdom and France feigning moral outrage over the Russian’s willingness to accept the results of the votes by citizens of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson. Did the United States hold a referendum when it took Hawaii or Mexican territory? Did the United Kingdom allow the American colonies a referendum when they wanted their independence? Hell, go down the list of British colonies that were taken by force without the natives of those countries being given a chance to vote to “join” the UK. Ditto for France.

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Ukrainian patriots are in the process of ejecting the Russian army from all “annexed” Ukrainian territory. In the lull that follows, Ukraine will join the EU–possibly even NATO. Whether Putin will personally survive the military debacle that he himself created is an open question. He has become an increasingly serious liability to the interests of the powers that have supported him, and somebody will have to take the fall.

Ukrainian patriots are in the process of ejecting the Russian army from all “annexed” Ukrainian territory.

No, they CLEARLY are not.

Stop lying, creep.

10/03/22 – Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, an ally of President Vladimir Putin, says he is sending three of his teenage sons — aged 14, 15 and 16 — to the Ukraine front

What a model parent! Maybe Putin will send flowers to their funerals. Maybe Kadyrov and Putin should go to Ukraine themselves. Study the photo closely. The eyes are windows to the soul, aren’t they?

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No one here clicks on your links.

Please be honest and address the topic at hand.

Like the intentional release of covid-19, this war was predicated on the desires of globalists in Europe and the leaders they’ve installed in the rest of the western world.

Ukraine is clearly not winning.

Russia is a threat to the WEF vision for a one world dictatorship.

No one here clicks on your links.

How would you know that?

The people in my office collect such data.

By flipping coins and consulting their Magic 8-Ball?

You really ought to check out Ramzan Kadyrov’s eyes. It’s important to be able to recognize seriously crazy people. Putin is more difficult. He has the eyes of an SS bureaucrat who doesn’t recognize the evil in the work he does. Of an Adolph Eichmann, maybe. He’s just not that deep.

biden has pissed away more than 80 billion dollars to a corrupt regime that has never intended to effectively wage a conflict against Russia.

The chickens have come home to roost. This boondoggle is on par with the Afghanistan surrender.

Russia was never going to be stopped and now it is in a position of strength able to dictate terms which can not be ignored.

The myth of Trump holding Putin in check is complete bullshit. From November 2018:

Russia is going to deploy new missile systems in Crimea

Putin proceeded with the deployment. Note the Soviet hammer and sickle, prominently displayed in the 2018 photograph.

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Tomorrow, 09/30/22, Putin will conduct “annexation ceremonies” of Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine from the safety of the Kremlin. He has threatened to react to attacks against any of his new territory as if Russia itself were attacked.

Note, however, that Putin invaded and annexed Crimea in 2014, making it “part of Russia,” which didn’t prevent the destruction of aircraft munition stores at Russia’s Saky airbase this past August. President Zelensky declined to take credit, attributing the explosions to “Russian incompetence”.

Incompetence is a credible explanation. Russia claimed their Black Sea flagship Moskva was damaged by a fire which caused munitions to explode; it then sank while under Russian tow. Putin’s entire invasion has turned into a prolonged demonstration of military incompetence. More than 180,000 have fled Russia to avoid military service since Putin announced partial mobilization, which isn’t exactly a vote of confidence.

Then they’ve got idiots like this guy to contend with:

08/24/22 – S-400 Exposed! Russian Tourist Inadvertently Revealed The Location Of S-400 Missiles; Ukraine Says Thank You

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And we have idiot Biden to thank for this.

Oh, so Russia attacked someone while Trump was President? Seems everyone missed that bombshell story.

The myth of Trump holding Putin in check is complete bullshit. 

It’s historical fact, whether you like it or not.

09/8/22 – US Sen. Lindsey Graham said Wednesday that if Russia uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine, it would also be an attack on NATO.

“If Putin uses a nuclear weapon, if he follows through on his threat in Ukraine, I would consider that an attack on NATO writ large,” Graham said during a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting on war crimes accountability on Wednesday. “The radiation would affect all of Europe, not just Ukraine.”

He called for both Congress and NATO to reinforce the message that “all hell would come to bear on Putin” should the Russian president direct a nuclear attack on Ukraine.

All this, thanks to idiot Biden.

greg, the invasion on Ukraine has ALWAYS been an attack on NATO and the US.

Europe and their controlled money-bags/free military, the USA, are at war with Russia.

Try to keep up.

Uniparty pansy Lindsey Graham had been somewhat rudderless since the death of John McCain.
But he’s always been a war monger.
Maybe he has a thing about men in uniform?
He’s the kind of “republican” we need to rid the party of.
He’d side with a dem over a Trump supporting candidate and vote, maybe even caucus with dems if too many Trump supporting Senators take office.

10/02/33-Thousands of Russians mobilised for military service in Ukraine have been sent home and the military commissar in Russia’s Khabarovsk region removed in the latest setback to Vladimir Putin’s chaotic conscription of 300,000 servicemen.

What a surprise. 40 percent of Russian males are alcoholics. 35,000 Russians die from acute alcohol poisoning each year. That’s in addition to those who die from it’s long-term effects.

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We have hundreds of thousands dying a year thanks to idiot Biden’s open border and allowing more fentanyl through than it takes to kill the entire nation many times over.

Wow. The Globalists version of “Pravda” is working overtime today.

Vladimir Saldo, the Russian-picked head of the Kherson province, said on state television that multiple settlements about 70 miles northeast of the city of Kherson on the banks of the Dnieper River have been overrun.

It’s the beginning of the end.

10/03/22 – Ukrainian troops overrun Russian forces, break through lines in recently annexed Kherson: Live updates

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It’s the beginning of the end.

That’s for sure. Winter is coming. Ukraine is losing, either by the weather…or a tactical nuke.

Not sure why you people are lying about this, or what you hope to achieve.

You caused this war, afterall.

If Russian troops stay in Ukraine over the winter, and their supply lines are cut behind them, they’ll be the ones freezing and starving. The first tactical nuke Russia uses would bring NATO off the sidelines. Putin might as well shoot himself. Possibly someone will save him the trouble.

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“The first tactical nuke Russia uses would bring NATO off the sidelines”

NATO is not on the sidelines. They are actively fighting Russia in Ukraine.

Europe has zero chance of winning a Nuclear War against Russia.

Neither does the US.

If Russia uses a tactical nuke, the West will do nothing.

Nothing.

It is quite clear if Putin uses tactical nuclear weapons it will be because of bidens irresponsible actions. Nuclear war will be the fault of biden and NATO. They are pushing Putin to defend himself with no other alternative.

Trolls injected that tale into the social media echo chamber on 08/24 with a bogus YouTube video. It claimed 10,000 NATO troops were in Ukraine.

NATO has stayed out of Ukraine to deprive Putin of any excuse to enter NATO territory. If he were to do so, all NATO states would go to war with Russia. If it came to that, and Putin went nuclear, the Kremlin would be vaporized along with many of the world’s major cities. We’d ALL be screwed. A tactical nuke could escalate to a full thermonuclear exchange before the day was done.

Remove Putin from power, and the probability of that would drop immediately.

NATO is not on the sidelines. They are actively fighting Russia in Ukraine.

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If it came to that, and Putin went nuclear, the Kremlin would be vaporized along with many of the world’s major cities.

No no. If Russia uses a tactical nuke, and the US initiates a nuclear strike on Russia, that would be absurd.

The Biden regime would then be responsible for global nuclear war. Not Putin.

Him using one or a few tactical nukes against a enemy he’s already engaged in does not justify global nuclear war.

Sorry, bub. He’s going to do it, if he keeps “losing” like you are trying to propagandize into existence.

NATO has stayed out of Ukraine to deprive Putin of any excuse to enter NATO territory.

That’s incorrect. NATO is fighting Russia in Ukraine.

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NATO has stayed out of Ukraine to deprive Putin of any excuse to enter NATO territory. 

You’re an idiot. NATO has no authority to go to war to support a non-member, which Ukraine is. Clearly it has not dawned on you why Zelensky is so gung-ho to get Ukraine into NATO now.

If you’re a nation in Eastern Europe, you’re either a member of NATO or the next item on Putin’s menu. I’m surprised you haven’t figured that out, being wise and all-knowing.

Putin invaded Ukraine, not the other way around. Putin is killing people in their own towns and cities, and he doesn’t give a damn if they’re ethnically Russian or Ukrainian.

Putin has forcibly removed Ukrainian civilians from their own country, processed them through relocation camps, and resettled them in remote, economically depressed areas of Russia. Sound familiar?

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

Guess you better buff up on your Russian, then.

The globalists are attempting a totalitarian takeover of the world. We all need to fight them back.

We in America are legally dismantling the LGBT death cult, for starters.

If you’re a nation in Eastern Europe, you’re either a member of NATO or the next item on Putin’s menu.

That well may be, but Ukraine is not a NATO member and when NATO was formed it was agreed there would be NO NATO nations on Russia’s borders.

I know that since the early 1900’s every war, but one, that the U.S. has entered has been forced on us by a Democrat. Too bad you don’t know history.

Klain, Jarrett and Rice will take us to war to draw attention away from Biden’s failure as POTUS.

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Putin apparently doesn’t care about borders. It was Putin who moved to put Russia on the borders of NATO nations, not NATO.

Putin is an existential threat to democracy and individual liberty, just as Hitler was. If America hadn’t joined the war against Hitler the America we know would no longer exist. We should thank God that an American president understood that. That FDR was a Democrat is irrelevant. His general was a Republican.

Anyone who attempts to divide our nation or break its will when we’re confronting a serious external threat like Hitler or Vladimir Putin isn’t an American patriot.

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You are a freaking moron.

And you know nothing of history.

Get better handlers.

greg’s existence reminds us of how Hitler and Stalin happened.

greg is a clear and present danger to the United States of America.

greg got lost in some Jane Fonda fantasy when he worked an office job in Saigon, and shows us his life is one not well examined.

Get better handlers.

Become a kinder, more reasonable person. And maybe try to be more specific, because I don’t know what “history” you’re talking about.

I see what Putin is. History tells us what sort of danger he represents. He’s not behaving rationally. He’s damaging his own country and his own people, not just the neighboring sovereign nation he has invaded.

Letting such people have whatever they want to buy peace never works. You’re just feeding a tyrant until he becomes a monster. I believe you can find that clearly demonstrated in history.

I think the West, and NATO, are following a very carefully thought out policy. We’re providing Ukraine’s patriots with materials and moral support, while standing on the sidelines.

Putin shouldn’t have invaded. What he’s doing isn’t working. He’s damaging Russia, and destroying himself in the process. He can stop doing that anytime he wants.

Last edited 1 year ago by Greg

NATO expansion has been in violation of agreements with Russia since the Fall of the Soviet Union.

Anyone who attempts to divide our nation or break its will when we’re confronting a serious external threat like Hitler or Vladimir Putin isn’t an American patriot.

Incorrect. Putin is not Hitler, but rather a creation by the godless, Communist Left that you are admittedly a part of of.

The largest threat to both democracy and the American way is the installed regime occupying our WH. A regime that will soon be removed.

Patriotism demands it.

10/03/22 – Ukraine claws back more territory Russia is trying to annex

(AP) — Ukrainian forces scored more gains in their counteroffensive across a broad front Monday, advancing in the very areas Russia is trying to annex and challenging its effort to engage fresh troops and its threats to defend incorporated areas by all means, including with nuclear weapons.

In their latest breakthrough, Ukrainian forces penetrated Moscow’s defenses in the strategic

southern Kherson region, one of the four areas in Ukraine that Russia is absorbing and trying desperately to defend. They also consolidated gains in other major battlefields.

Ukraine’s advances have become so apparent that even Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov, who usually focuses on his own military’s successes and the enemy’s losses, was forced to acknowledge it.

“With numerically superior tank units in the direction of Zolota Balka and Oleksandrivka, the enemy managed to forge deep into our defenses,” Konashenkov said Monday, referring to two Kherson region towns. He coupled that with claims that Russian forces inflicted heavy losses on Ukraine’s military.

Ukrainian forces have struggled to retake the Kherson region, in contrast to its successful breakout offensive in the northeast around the country’s second-largest city of Kharkiv that began last month.

The AP is not a credible source of news.

I wonder what’s going on over there? Certainly not what the trolls want.

Rejecting everyone and everything that doesn’t tell you exactly what you want to hear is the road to ruin.

I agree. You should try it sometime.

What you are spreading is not accurate information.

It’s disinformation.

The majority of voting Americans no longer listen to you or your employers. That must hard for you to accept.

10/03/22 – Ukrainian forces break through in the south as Putin’s problems mount – Kyiv’s troops pushed forward Monday, threatening a major new breakthrough and forcing Russian soldiers to retreat from territory the Kremlin claimed to have annexed.

BREAKING: Globalist/Leftist bought news outlets struggle to keep the narrative on the Ukraine invasion going as the WEF-induced WWIII grow closer and closer to nuclear war.

As planned.

SVIATOHIRSK/KYIV, Oct 4 (Reuters) – Ukrainian forces have broken through Russia’s defences in the south of the country while expanding their rapid offensive in the east, seizing back more territory in areas annexed by Moscow and threatening supply lines for Russian troops.

Making their biggest breakthrough in the south since the war began, Ukrainian forces recaptured several villages in an advance along the strategic Dnipro River on Monday, Ukrainian officials and a Russian-installed leader in the area said…

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The Western Media offensive, one with a clear goal of allowing traitor Biden and his corrupt Democrat Party to declare some kind of “victory” in Ukraine to steal the votes of gullible Americans is in full swing.

Even Bill Gates said…not pondered, but STATED…”the elections will be hung and their will be Civil War.”

Why would he say that?

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Even Bill Gates said…not pondered, but STATED…”the elections will be hung and their will be Civil War.” Why would he say that?

Meaning depends on context. Gates wasn’t expressing his thoughts about the future. He was explaining why he won’t funnel grant money into efforts to decrease America’s serious political polarization: Because he doesn’t know how to address the problem.

Bill Gates usually focuses on issues like poverty and infectious diseases through his charitable foundation, but another problem on his mind is the polarization of US politics.

“I admit that political polarization may bring it all to an end, we’re going to have a hung election and a civil war,” he recently said in the keynote conversation at this year’s Forbes 400 Summit on Philanthropy. “I have no expertise in that. I’m not going to divert my money to that because I wouldn’t know how to spend it.”

Political polarization, he says, goes hand-in-hand with another issue: the spread of misinformation.

“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”

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I knew you’d be by to offer a hollow defense of idiot Gates.

“The polarization and lack of trust is a problem,” he continued to Forbes. “One of the best-selling books last year was a book by Robert Kennedy, saying that I like to make money and kill millions of people with vaccines. It’s wild that sells well.”

Yes. You fools now are going to censor more people, so we don’t “get the wrong idea.”

Meaning depends on context.

The context of Gates predicting Covid before Covid makes his comments about a “hung” election not merely conjecture.

He’s telling you what he and others are going to do.

The villains like you always script your next move.

Happy “Let’s Go Brandon” Day.

We don’t suffer tyrants.

“We don’t suffer tyrants.”

If you consider Biden a tyrant, then that’s a lie. He’s still in office and doing just fine. Maybe he’ll take you for a ride in his Camaro.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

Biden was and is an inviable candidate installed in the DNC primaries and installed in a very fraudulent, very rigged 2020 election. He is America’s first (and hopefully only) Dictator. No one believes he’s in charge of anything. He IS the incarnation of the illegal, senile, crazy incompetent puppet that they tried to cast on Trump for four years. The usual Leftist projection.

He’s still in office and doing just fine.

The kind of cognitive dissonance one would need to say this is….well…sad. And very tribal.

Biden will be removed. He’s caused extreme damage to the USA and the globe.

Hyper-inflation, gas prices, war in the ME, open borders, killing more with a botched Covid response, letting Putin invade…he’s not even a failure. He’s an installed catastrophe.

And Biden is not the president. He never will be. He is an installed puppet tyrant, put in by those attempting a global coup for their godless one-world dictatorship.

But it’s not going so well, is it?

And maybe Biden, a Puerto Rican now, can now introduce us to that .39% of his home state that is also Puerto Rican.

“We have a very, in relative terms, a large Puerto Rican population in Delaware relative to our population,” Biden said in an unscripted aside. … And so I — I was sort of raised in the Puerto Rican community at home, politically.”

No one voted for this f*cking idiot.

The next time you losers what to say Trump “lied,” remember, the above is what LYING actual looks like.

Biden is a liar. A real one.

Last edited 1 year ago by Nathan Blue