No incumbent president pulling 55 percent on the economy and unemployment can be counted out for reelection, however anemic his overall job approval might be.
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In fact, this poll is a reminder of how solid Trump’s 2020 prospects would look if he was a bit less … Trumpy, for lack of a better word.
It’s mostly Republicans driving that number but he’s at 53 percent approval on the economy and 56 percent on unemployment among independents, a group that gives him an overall job approval of just 35 percent. Those are also the only two out of 14 categories tested in which Trump has majority approval among indies. Maybe my point above should be reframed: Given how dimly independents view him on most matters, the economy and jobs are the only things giving him a fighting chance next year.
His overall job approval in the RCP poll of polls is also on the rise, and not just relative to the lows of the shutdown period. Since mid-March 2017 the highest number he’s posted in average job approval was 44.7 percent, which he touched briefly before the midterms last year thanks (I assume) to intensifying partisan fervor before the big vote. He’s at 44.2 percent today, though, and was at 44.4 percent yesterday. A few more good polls and he’ll touch 45 percent for the first time in two years. A clean-ish bill of health from Mueller might do it for him.
Why now? The economy’s been terrific since he was sworn in. There’s no obvious reason why his economic approval should be hitting new highs lately based on the GDP or unemployment numbers alone. Could it be the rebound in the stock market since December that’s driving it? The shutdown briefly drove the S&P 500 beneath 2,400 points on Christmas Eve but since then it’s regained more than 10 percent.Alternate theory: Maybe this is the first stirrings of the 2020 dynamic in action. Trump benefited enormously in 2016 from facing an opponent who was widely disliked and distrusted herself. For the first two years of his presidency he lacked that contrast; his job approval was a pure referendum on him. Now, with the Democratic presidential field starting to fill out, his job approval may not be entirely a reflection of his own performance but also partly a measure of how voters think he compares to the top tier of the other party.
A weak world economy isn’t responsible for our own domestic irresponsibility. We’re doing stupid things because they provide a measure of immediate, short-term gratification. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out where they’re leading. The miracle no-stick skillet isn’t going to be what the sales pitch promised.
@Greg: That’s why the rest of the world is putting their money in the United States to keep it safe. Right?
Trump has it in his head that the dollar should be deliberately weakened as a means of dealing with the trade imbalance. The problem is that policies to deliberately make that happen could put the dollar on a downhill race course without any reliable brakes. You could devalue the dollar and print currency to render the accumulated debt load lighter, but you’d destroy the fixed value of American savings in the process.
Aren’t you the least bit curious what markets and currencies he and his family are heavily invested in to immunize themselves against the negative effects of his own policy? I certainly am. He’s part of a financial class that will happily feed on the collective wreckage of disaster as a means of personal empowerment and enrichment. They’re first class passengers with both privileged information and the best access to the lifeboats.
@Greg: No, he believes other countries should not be allowed to manipulate THEIR currency to hurt ours. It’s pretty simple and it is all about doing what is best for America.
From FOX Business News, August 6, 2019 – Trump wants a weaker US dollar – here’s why
You might want to disregard the out-of-date video report about the stock market surging and go straight to the written report about Trump’s strategy to weaken the dollar.
@Greg: He wants other countries, like China, to stop manipulating their currency. Part of the way to combat that is to weaken the dollar as well, to match their devalued currency, but that is not what he “wants”, just like he doesn’t “want” tariffs.
He WANTS to solve the problem. He is DOING SOMETHING about it.
A weakening dollar will promote inflation, further reducing the value of the assets held by conservative traditional savers who are the bedrock of any nation’s economic stability. They have already been robbed of their interest for years on end, and told that anyone who doesn’t gamble in Wall Street’s rigged financial casino is a fool. Yet we know from past experience that when the game blows up, it’s the casino owners and big players who get bailed out—with the cost of doing so added to the nation’s collective debt. The little guys who got robbed don’t get reimbursed or bailed out. They’re left holding the empty bag.
How can anyone who has worked, saved, and avoided the temptation of debt not feel aggrieved and cynical about all this? The concerns of millionaires and billionaires are increasingly placed ahead of those of everyone else, because they’ve increasingly got more money and power to make it that way. Then the people are told that the beneficiaries of this arrangement are actually their benefactors and the creators of wealth, prosperity, and all good things; that those at the top of the pyramid are what holds everything below them up.
This is not a healthy situation. When you’ve got deficits and debt growing so rapidly in the best of times, it’s like noticing a plummeting barometer reading while the sky is still clear. It’s why Mark Sanford is warning republicans about a coming storm. They really ought to listen to him and think about what he’s saying. He’s not the one who has abandoned conservative principles.
@Greg: But inflation is nearly zero.
Workers at Shell’s new $6 billion plant ‘were told they wouldn’t get PAID if they didn’t attend a Trump speech’ and ‘were ordered not to protest during the event’
@Greg: No named sources but lots of “reportedly”. Yep, typical liberal hit piece. Nice try, but no Pulitzer for Propaganda.
If only the power of all this blowhard’s self-aggrandizing hot air could be harnessed…
One union rep, speaking off the record, said failure to attend could have cost some workers up to $700 in combined hourly pay, overtime, and related benefits.
@Greg: If only liberals weren’t such whiny crybabies.
If only Trump’s followers weren’t so astonishingly gullible…
@Greg: You mean like believing controlling illegal immigration, protecting citizens and calling out criminals for letting their districts turn into rat infested garbage dumps is “racist”? Uh… that would be YOUR gullible tribe, Chester.
August 16, 2019 – Fmr. GOP Rep. Joe Walsh: Republicans Will Get “Wiped Out” in 2020 If Trump Is Nominee
A question is posed to Joe Walsh regarding Joe Walsh: How did this guy get from there to here? He explains. He also suggests a solution, but it’s unlikely anyone in the Republican Party will listen. Good news, though. Walsh proves that a person can recover from a past episode of lunacy.
@Greg:
Oh, so now you’re a fan of Republican politicians?
You’re an idiot.
@Greg: That’s why you guys are overthinking this entire election thing. Just relax, nominate Bernie and cruise to victory.
@Greg: Video of that Shell speech shows enthusiastic crowd.
But remember this was NOT a Trump rally.
This was a recognition of what was happening to business in America, specifically, this business, this new facility.
These workers were the benefactors of this business growth.
They should be invited to the celebration of this success.
And, sure, there might have been some workers who’d rather have taken the time off to be home or doing whatever.
I’m glad when businesses like this grow.
The workers should be grateful enough to let their business leaders blow their own horns.
And, President Trump, too is partly responsible for all this, so why shouldn’t he be allowed to brag about it?
@Nan G:
Apparently, Greggie Goebbels, and the left wing British press, doesn’t seem to understand how union jobs work.
It says that those employees who did not attend the Trump rally, and instead, choose to take the day off, would not get paid for the day nor would they be eligible for overtime. I would guess their contract says “all over 8, all over 40” which means they would not have gained their 40 hours by the time Friday rolled around. Monday, 10 hours; Tuesday, off; Wednesday, 10 hours; Thursday 10 hours, by Friday, those workers would only have 30 hours tops and would not have been eligible for overtime pay.
But hey, don’t expect Greggie Goebbels to understand any of that. He’s just not that bright.
@retire05, #69:
Apparently you have difficulty understanding that the contract rules—whatever the specifics might be—were used in such a way that those attending Trump’s speech would realize a hefty financial advantage which those who didn’t attend would not. You’re rewarded if you attend and penalized if you don’t.
I had no difficulty working this out. Do you find drawing the correct conclusion from a simple set of facts difficult? I suppose that might explain a lot.
@Greg:
I have no problem understanding contract rules. It is pretty simply for anyone who has an I.Q. higher than their shoe size. Go to the rally ON COMPANY TIME and be paid for it. Choose to take the day off and don’t get paid for it. It is just that simple and even a simpleton like you, Greggie Goebbels, should be able to understand that.
The fact that you don’t understand it means one of two things; either you have an unnatural and record breaking shoe size or your I.Q. is painfully low, hence, you are an idiot.
@Greg: It was a work day. The employer donated their time to attend the Trump speech because Trump supports their industry (and, thus, their jobs) while Democrats seek to make them all McDonald’s employees. So, for that day, that was their workplace. If they chose not to go, they were not at work. If they are not at work, they don’t get paid and taking off reduces the regular time hours that qualifies them for overtime.
It isn’t difficult for anyone that has had an hourly job to understand, though I understand how difficult that is for ideologues to understand.
Where I worked did the same thing once when several representatives that supported our industry made an appearance to express how they were supporting it (which, again, results in jobs, revenue and taxes). Regardless of political affiliation or how they personally felt about the politicians, everyone appreciates their jobs being supported.
@retire05:
Maybe you should get a hobby.
@Greg:
Maybe you should have a little self respect and quit proving what an idiot you are. But then, the Democratic Party would lose one of its useful idiots if you did.
The Art of the Pitch
From The Hill, 08/19/2019 – White House exploring payroll tax cut to offset worsening economy: report
So, you’re wanting the democratic-majority House to agree to add billions more to the deficit and national debt by pumping more money into an already overstimulated economy, so that you can continue to claim that you’ve worked economic magic until sometime after the 2020 election?
Lots of luck with that one.
Well, there you have it. If the Washington Compost sites three anonymous people it must be true.
ROTFLMAO
Got it. Democrats are attempting to pull the Trump economy down through the use of Mind Power. Apparently they’re a lot better at this Mind Power stuff than republicans, who talked down all signs of recovery and prophesied impending doom 24/7 through the entire 8 years of the Obama administration. That turned out to be about as accurate as their dire warnings of martial law and mass firearms confiscation—which, by the way, they will likely be recycling soon.
@Greg:
No, through the use of propaganda and the Fed. Like Maher, Democrats desire public pain and suffering so they might appear to be a better option. It is a disgusting, cowardly ploy, but not beneath Democrats.
Collusion didn’t work. Obstruction didn’t work. So, destroy the economy and blame Trump. The more tragedy, the better.
@Deplorable Me:
Right.
Trump has stimulated the hell out of an economy that had already recovered with massive tax cuts—at the cost of returning to trillion-dollar annual deficits, even with the economy still roaring. Then he threw a trade war into the mix, and pressured the Fed to lower interest rates that really ought to be slowly increased to regain the ability to cope with another downturn.
There will be consequences. They won’t be the result of some sort of Democratic Party plot. They’ll be because every economic binge that depends on skyrocketing debt to sustain it invariably turns into a bust. Stimulus measures are emergency measures, not part of business as usual. You’ve put the national economy in the hands of a gambler who has left bankrupt games behind him on at least four separate occasions.
@Greg: If Democrats would agree to spending cuts we could cut the deficit. Democrats NEVER think of fiscal responsibility, only buying votes. Imagine the deficits if ANY of these lunatic Democrats get in office. Where will $10 trillion a year MORE come from? Are your Democrats liars or lunatics?
A recession is liberal propaganda. They told us lethargy and poor jobs was a boom and now they tell us great growth and great jobs is bust. Like your examples of Trump’s racism… nothing but lying.
Trump bought votes with fiscally irresponsible tax cuts—which will go on forever for those who needed them not at all, but are timed to rapidly phase out for most of the people who voted for him. The sad truth is that for most of those people, increased consumer prices resulting from his trade war have already erased most of what little they gained. When the boom turns into a bust, as always happens when it’s fueled by running an unsustainable tab, who do they think will bear the brunt of the disaster? Who, exactly, do these people imagine is going to be left holding a bag full of IOUs, once the dust settles? I’m not so sure “The democrats did it!” is going to work for the GOP again.
We’ll see what happens. Sooner or later, harsh reality always trumps all of the b.s.
@Deplorable Me:
“Former Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen said the US is most likely not entering a recession in an interview with FOX Business Network set to air on Friday.
“I think the answer is most likely no. I think that the US economy has enough strength to avoid (a recession).”
Didn’t Obama tell us that 1.5% growth was the new normal and that Trump would have to have a “magic wand” to be able to bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S.?
The left is hooked on the three R’s that they think is a winning platform: Russia, Racism and Recession.
@Greg:
Trump earned votes by promising to bring good jobs back to the United States, run off by Obama’s oppressive taxes and regulations. The tax cuts are paid for. However, the overspending continues and a GOOD PORTION of it is nothing but WASTE.
But Democrats are absorbing and using that waste for THEIR benefit so they won’t get rid of it.
The “trade war” is a direct result of previous administrations ignoring the uncontrolled theft China was committing in order to build up their military. It is a double threat and NO President has had the guts to address it. Will he succeed? Probably, but we don’t know; however, at least he didn’t cowardly turn his back on it or aid it like Clinton, Obama and Biden have done.
Maybe you need more of your lying semi-quotes to support your position?
@retire05:
Sure did. That’s why Democrats push so hard for mandated higher wages; with their economic policies, EVERYONE would be earning $5 an hour if the government didn’t make companies pay artificially bloated wages. This, of course, would lead to disaster as well. All Democrats can offer is failure.
Deficits have risen by an average of 15 percent each fiscal year that Trump has been in office. Increased spending was, in fact, a part of that.
Federal tax revenue declined by 0.4% in 2018, the first full year that the tax cuts were in effect. Increased spending has nothing at all to do with that result.
Clearly the tax cuts are not “paying for themselves.”
If this is the situation when the economy is going like a house on fire, what’s going to happen when the inevitable downturn hits?
Trump’s tax cuts doing what they were intended to do; spending is the problem
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/11/16/tax-cuts-produce-record-tax-revenues-from-business/
Tax revenue continue to increase.
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
The problem is spending. Democrats only consider cutting defense spending, which puts the nation at risk. But, then again, Democrats only consider doing ANYTHING if it weakens the nation.
Even The Fiscal Times acknowledged that collected federal revenue decreased in 2018.
@Greg: No they don’t. Their figures show they increased and have been increasing since the tax cuts.
I suppose if you pretend inflation doesn’t reduce the value of dollars collected so that no adjustment is necessary for a valid comparison between years, one could spin the takeaway in such a fashion. It seems a bit deceptive. Kind of like claiming the national debt is smaller that we think because dollars aren’t worth as much as they used to be. To their credit, The Federal Time is attempting no such deception. They make perfectly clear what the actual situation is in the first sentence of their article.
From Fiscal Times:
The figures stated in nominal terms aren’t really the figures that matter.
@Greg: Well, no. They were higher. I showed they were.
August 23, 2018 – Trump threatens to lift tariffs on Chinese goods to 30% amid escalating trade war
“Raise” probably would have been a better word than “lift”.
@Greg: Fortunately both parties hate deficits and debt and have stated as much for decades.
Anything to sustain an artificial boom that’s inherently unsustainable…because once the downturn sets in, the costs of it will all become obvious.
Once again, a Democratic Party president will get stuck with clean up after the binge turns into a bust. But it will be far more difficult this time, because all usual emergency stimulus measures will already have been exhausted to throw the party. That has been the basis of the Trump Economy.
September 11, 2019 – Trump Calls for Fed’s ‘Boneheads’ to Slash Interest Rates Below Zero
@Greg: Obama had to clean up the mess HIS party created. His 1% “boom” was fueled by nothing more than quantitative easing. Trump’s economy is nothing more that getting the government out of the way of capitalism. All every single Democrat offers is exploding debt, waste, taxation, regulation and total economic ruin.
@Deplorable Me, #94:
Starting from a negative 2008 GDP growth rate of minus 0.1%, the GDP growth rate during Obama’s final 31 quarters averaged 2.2%. Obama inherited an economy that had lost 2.6 million jobs during the 12 months preceding his inauguration. His 8 years in office ended on the 75th consecutive month of job growth.
Trump has boosted the GDP rate to around 3%, but he has done that with tax cuts that are pushing deficits back to an unsustainable one trillion dollar per year mark even with a strong economy, and by pressuring the Fed to keep interests rates at levels that would normally only be maintained as a stimulus measure during periods of recession. That serves to make it easier to run up more debt while putting off the consequences of paying the bills with a credit card. He has also removed regulation without regard for any long-term negative consequences.
You’d better hurry up and give Trump a medal before the chickens come home to roost, because he’s leaving no tools with which to respond to an economic downturn, which any economist will point out is inevitable. The danger is that there will be nothing left but printing currency to pay the bills, which can quickly turn our carefully saved dollars into monopoly money.
The Trump Economy is a con.
Un-Spinning the Trump, Obama GDP Numbers
@Greg: Today’s interest rates are relative, not absolute. Name the countries with better economies than ours. We are dragging the world along. We have the lowest Hispanic and black unemployment rate on record, how come Obama couldn’t do that in 8 years? We have the highest labor participation rate in many years, and the lowest sustained unemployment rate for years. All this after the weakest economic recovery in the modern era, courtesy of Barack Obama.
Trump will cruise to reelection, assisted by his 49% approval rate by Hispanics.
Meanwhile, ‘Gerg’ can’t imagine anything worse than citizens keeping control of more of their earned money, and government confiscating less of same.
@Greg: Obama failed and failed miserably. He had the worst recovery from a recession in history and the sole reason was HIM. Obamacare strangled the economy, his taxes and regulations strangled the economy, the jobs created were low paying and mostly part time. Wage increase STOPPED.
Even though the Community Reinvestment Act caused the recession, Obama wanted to DO IT AGAIN!
All that has been turned around by Trump and mostly by Trump not being Obama. That alone restored faith in the economy.
Poor Gerg. (that’s the nickname he has on another site.
He’s been peddling the same crap to no avail for years.
@Greg: Hey ‘Gerg’, name an economic boom that DIDN’T end.
@Greg:
‘Gerg’ hates producers.
Except at tax time.