CLAIM: President Donald Trump suggested injecting people with disinfectant to cure coronavirus.
VERDICT: False. Trump was speaking generally about new information about sunlight, heat, and disinfectant killing the virus.
This entire cooked-up media storyline is equivalent to saying Barack Obama advocated invading and annexing Canada when he said there were 57 states. You can ding politicians for clumsy phrasing, slips of the tongue, or talking too much without putting words in their mouths.
— John Hayward (@Doc_0) April 24, 2020
President Trump is being quoted out of context — as usual — by left-wingers on social media who are accusing him of suggesting injecting people with disinfectant as a way of curing coronavirus infections.
Trump used the word “inject,” but what he meant was using a process — which he left “medical doctors” to define — in which patients’ lungs might be cleared of the virus, given new knowledge about its response to light and other factors.
Earlier in the briefing, Dr. Bill Bryant, leader of the Science and Technology Directorate at the Department of Homeland Security, described the results of new government research that showed that the coronavirus did not survive long in solar light, warmer temperatures, and more humid conditions. He added that disinfectants had also been effective against it.
Trump, responding to that, noted that there had been discussions of testing ultraviolet light on patients, or of methods to bring light inside the body. “And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it [the virus] out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside, or almost a cleaning, cause you see it gets in the lungs.”
At no time did Trump actually propose injecting patients with disinfectant; he deferred to “medical doctors” to figure out how to apply Dr. Bryant’s research.
When ABC News’ Jonathan Karl asked Dr. Bryant about whether the president had proposed injecting a person with “bleach and isopropyl alcohol” later, Trump clarified that “It wouldn’t be through injection,” and that he was talking about “cleaning, sterilization of an area,” and about applying the disinfectant to “a stationary object.”
It probably looks full of clueless people from your perspective, since that is all you listen to. However, many listen to what people say and take that as their meaning.
@kitt: There is but one underlying problem here. We see it exposed time and time again. These whiny crybabies STILL cannot accept the fact that Hillary lost. They HATE (viscerally, right down to their bones) Trump merely because he won. It is totally irrational and unreasonable. But, it must be fed to be maintained, so they MAKE UP the terrible flaws in Trump so they will have the REASON to hate. He’s a racist; he says all immigrants are criminals (a lie they made up). He colluded with Russians to win (a lie they made up). He thinks Nazis and white supremacists are fine people (a lie they made up). He extorted Ukraine to get dirt on Biden (a like they made up, base on an idea Biden gave them when he actually DID extort Ukraine). He said COVID19 was a hoax (a lie they made up). He told states they were on their own (a lie they made up). He promotes hydrochloroquine as a cure (a lie they made up). He promotes hydrochloroquine because he owns stock in the company that makes it (a lie they made up). He told people to inject Lysol into their bodies (a lie they made up).
If they couldn’t create such fantastic lies about Trump, their hatred might begin to fade. They LIVE to hate. See George above, responding to the fact that I don’t criticize Trump for things he doesn’t do as “worship” and “religion”. That’s how they think; being fair and honest is something like a cult or religion, which they also hate and denigrate.
You said – and I quote:
The only entities that I know of who people BELIEVE make no mistakes and are thus perfect are Jesus Christ and GOD. You seem to be adding a third person to that short list – Donald trump – conferring on him something at the very least higher than sainthood. Thus HE is YOUR living GOD. Not mine. Worship as you will – it’s a free country.
George Wells: Again, when you don’t have a reason to bitch, you INVENT one. DID I say he never makes mistakes? DID I say he was GOD? No, I merely said that I am not going to bitch, whine, cry, bellyache, complain about a mistake he HASN’T made… as YOU do.
I guess you can have more than ONE daddy.
@George Wells: The man that “discovered” the HIV virus said this bug is engineered. That level 4 Bug farm in Wuhan is more than just a research center for disease. (conspiracy maybe)
There is another treatment out of isreal, but since you and Greg dont do hope I will leave it at Stem cells.
China provided the sequencing for research, I hope we did our own.
It becoming more difficult to dig on this virus, silicon valley pulling down information they find uncomfortable.
The lords of the internet have made sure the public cant get anything but fear porn the internet closes everything else down.
Intentional censorship of information, look, Greg was able to pull up bleach drinkers but the video about the UVA treatment for respiratory ailments was yanked.
If this could be an effective treatment given before the virus begins to destroy the organs we could like ventilators make thousands of these machines. All, what ifs, should be looked into with a leery scientific mind. Waiting for a brand new toxin from big pharma isnt an option for the economy
I have been two things to you:
#1. I’ve been intellectually honest with you. I’ve told you that I voted for Obama. I did. But I also told you some of the many things that Obama did wrong that disappointed me very much, and I never sought to give anyone the impression that I worshiped the man because I don’t. I also told you that I will vote for Trump in November, and the reasons why. That’s intellectual honesty.
#2. I’ve been respectful to you. I don’t call you “stupid” or “Ignorant” or accuse you of being a “liberal” just because we disagree on some political issues. I also point out the many political details I agree with you on. The fact that you never return any of these favors is bothersome but expected – as a gay man who has experienced hatred in one form or another for most of the 70 years I have been here, your slights and petty insults are more than marginally tolerable.
I wish that we could converse civilly, but I understand that few here ever venture to that extreme.
(Note: Thanks, Kitt, when you do occasionally bury the hatchet long enough to make a good point of fact. I appreciate it.)
As long as you keep your bigotry under control, saying Trump is some type of God is borderline. He is far from perfect but an excellent manager willing to ask a dumb question hoping for an intelligent response. An intelligent response from our Media just isnt anything we can expect.
I find your assessment quirky but basically correct. There is indeed too much censorship and data manipulation going on for anyone to get the whole picture. Sadly, EVERYBODY does it (the Chinese, the Americans, Democrats and Republicans), and everybody points their fingers at the other and cries crocodile tears over the resulting terrible injustice. It’d be laughable if it weren’t for the fact that it’s all costing lives.
The most interesting thing I see in the data is that there are two superimposed curves of mortality relating to age. One curve is an asymptote – the mortality relating to lung distress starting at or near zero with age zero and progressively increases to basically infinity as patient age approaches the upper limit of human longevity. The other curve appears to be a bell-curve with a maximum centered between ages 30 and 40, relating in this instance to blood clotting that produces fatal strokes and/or limb amputations, this seemingly a product of a virus-induced malfunction of the immune system. We may eventually find that both are manifestations of immune interference, but why one and not the other remains to be seen. It is a very interesting and “thick” plot that would make for enjoyable binge-watching were it not for how deadly it is to people in my risk categories.
But thanks for your good discussion.
Trump does himself no favors when he goes off-script. He was doing so well…
If you can trust ANYTHING coming out of China, you are a better (or more gullible) person than I am. EVERYBODY has a good reason to lie about what was going on, what happened, why we did what we did, etc., etc.. Whatever evidence that might prove anything one way or the other has long since been sanitized beyond recognition. That’s what everybody’s “black-ops” folks are for. Do whatever evil has to be done and don’t leave a trace.
@George Wells: Perhaps someday it will be available in the black vault, an interesting FOIA site. Technocrats and researchers are more than willing to cooperate with black ops for grant money. Even the unibomber may have been one of their victims.
Trump being sarcastic or just musing aloud is no reason for the entire left wing media and those that dislike him to get its thong on a big ol knot.
Donkey, young boy, you. Nuff said.
That is why you were here before. You came here to push your “I’m here and I’m queer” agenda. You were quite verbal (for lack of a better word) about your life style and your then active sex life (giving a very descriptive account of it). But now, you claim you became celibate almost 40 years ago. Which is it? And that leaves the question; why are you here now after a long hiatus?
You just can’t help yourself, can you? Your disdain for those who are religious has been expressed by you many, many times.
Here is what I know; you come on this site bragging about how wealthy you are. Expensive rings, market accounts, et al. Yet, you admitted (in your prior life here) that you “married” your “husband” (in a state other than Virginia) to gain access to his federal health insurance. Now, rational people would wonder what kind of person, with such great wealth compared to Joe Average, would be so greedy and not just pay for their own insurance but then you answer the question:
Cry me a freaking river, King George. You clearly weren’t denied an advanced education, home ownership, freedom of movement, or the right to earn a substantial amount of money. You came from privilege, doctor father and artist mother (who, it is reported, was paid $10,000/a day by a certain publication), yet, you whine about being persecuted for your queerness. Yeah, you’re a real barrio kid struggling to find your place in the world, NOT. You used the system to your advantage and now the American taxpayer is on the hook for something you could (apparently) afford yourself. That makes you a user, or if you prefer, an opportunist.
You bring nothing to this site. You are a chameleon who, as the wind blows, changes stories.
Intellectual honesty? I think not. And as I have said before, you give gays a bad name.
I just saw a headline on the computer that said a GOP governor’s office received hundreds of inquiries about ingesting disinfectants. I didn’t read it because it was one of two stupid things. Either Democrats were directing dumb questions to a GOP governor to embarrass Trump (a distinct possibility) or stupid people were asking stupid questions honestly. Either way, there could be nothing of value in that article, and no way to tell which option it was.
Now, I have a question you might be able to answer. Retire05 has been asking about a George Wells “blog.” Is THIS a “blog”? I was under the impression that a blog was a website that a person would set up to express his or her opinions, and that people could then comment if the site permitted that. I took Flopping Aces to be something like that, but I’ve been amazed that over the several years that I have been reading and sometimes writing here, the “contributors” are
#1. Almost all have fake names, and…
#2. Are of a very small number of individuals who never change.
Is this typical of blogs? Why would someone go to the trouble to set up something like this for just a dozen or so malcontents (you surely must agree that the most popular pastime here is insulting one another) and what KEEPS it running?
I’m just curious. I even wondered if the government didn’t set it up to watch in case it attracts some really crazy people, but it seems to attract angry old people in nursing homes more than anyone actually dangerous. I’d appreciate your opinion on this…
I have less than 5 million, which is but a modest amount anymore, and I understand that a great many Americans are in the same boat, being a “millionaire” having lost its luster long ago at the hands of inflation. One IMPORTANT thing about wealth of any dimension, however, is that people who have it tend to have it because they DON’T waste it. They DON’T get sloppy with it like a football player who lands a 30-million dollar contract and ends up broke and in jail three years later, never having had the sense to budget, save or invest in anything better than hookers, expensive cars and a bloated “posse.” My husband clips coupons, I shop for grocery sales, and I wait until “happy hour” (5:00 to 7:00PM) to buy my gas at a 10-cent discount. If I had not been frugal – and that includes availing myself of the insurance lawfully offered me – I would be destitute today, because I would not have been able to save and then invest wisely.
You misremembered what I said. Mom was paid $77,000 /year by NBC for courtroom art at the height of her career. The Watergate trial was her biggest case. After Dad had two massive strokes, NBC kept her on retainer, paying the same salary for up to two weeks of work per year (doesn’t quite come to $10K/day) after which she received an additional $1500 /day “overtime” if she could work more. Not that it matters.
And no, I never, EVER had anything close to a normal number of sexual encounters. I was celibate in the Navy until I got out in 1975, at college thereafter (and very UNbusy in anything other than studying), and in 1980, AIDS happened. Anyone with half a brain knew that gay people didn’t suddenly start growing Kaposi’s sarcomas because GOD got tired of them. It HAD to be related to sexual promiscuity. The only rational reaction to that fact was to STOP having sex. Many didn’t, and many of them are dead as a result. I did, and I’m alive to say so. Celibacy was also made easy for me by the fact that I was neither particularly handsome nor particularly well hung. Sex was too much work and not rewarding enough. The fact that I’m here saying so is proof of it – all the proof you need. If you could find so much as a shred of evidence to the contrary, you might have a case, but you can’t, so you don’t.
But thanks for bringing up one of my favorite topics of conversation.
It’s been so long…
And remember, YOU brought it up.
@George Wells: #1 You haven’t been honest. You’ve tried to straw-man what I say to fit what YOU want to say. I mentioned how securing our border was important in the fight against this virus and you turned that into me thinking it would have PREVENTED the virus. Now, because I don’t identify anything Trump has bungled facing these dual crises, you fashion that into me thinking him a god that never makes mistakes. That might be as honest as you think a person should be, but I don’t view it as honesty.
#2 No, you haven’t respected my intelligence. You, like all other Democrats, took Trump’s honest question about what MIGHT be possible and what MIGHT be done as him proposing people, anyone anywhere, injecting or ingesting Lysol or some other utter stupidity. Spare me. You must think me VERY stupid to promote that as a serious argument. Likewise, you simply ignore REAL treatments along the lines of what Trump discussed after a doctor’s presentation.
No, I don’t regard Trump a god by any means, but YOU regard him as the source of all evil, stupidity and offense.
You might also note that I treated you exceptionally civilly until you started that straw man bullshit. There was no reason for it other than you knew you had no legitimate argument against Trump’s established border policies so you had to distort MY position. That kind of pointless bullshit pisses me off, as does people who make “points” totally unfounded in fact, then refuse to answer questions on them (not directed at you).
@George Wells: FA is not a blog site for definition I suggest looking it up.
Yes we have our family of regulars, which when we disagree or see that the have been mislead we can openly tell them.
Go read your #63 post is it not insulting? Well you certainly opened up a reason to get insulted in return.
Curt and the other admins are CIA and/or NSA ops I expect them to come to my old folks home any minute and enlist my skills or haul me off for re-education.
Its a social media site, some that drop in are just less social than others, and we play wack-a-troll an amusing pass-time. Greg seem to crave this type of attention our pet troll.
Don’t be pissed off.
I apologize if I insulted you.
In case you missed it, I was attempting to insult the person I’m voting for.
I wish I had a better option, but I don’t.
I respect many of your points – and have said so to you – but I tire of your use of the words “stupid” and “ignorant”. I GET that you are angry. You can save yourself the effort of repeating yourself, because that looks either childish or senile, and I doubt that you are either.
My Mom used to say “Say something nice, or say nothing at all.”
I try to live by that.
I’m not sure that it would hurt you to try the same thing occasionally…
If FA is NOT a blog-site, than I wonder what Retire05 is talking about! LOL!
Ummm, that was my question to you about blogs… not insulting. Maybe you meant a different post number?
@George Wells: I merely return the same respect I am shown.
No matter how you look at it or who says it, implying or forwarding the argument that Trump in any way, form or fashion even suggested injecting or ingesting poisonous detergents is nothing but stupid. THAT as been my reference for using the term.
Have you EVER agreed with ANYTHING I have said?
Because all I ever get from you is how stupid and liberal I am, never mind all of the conservative positions I espouse.
I will offer you this defense: Sometimes, when someone is hurt, they attempt to return the hurt to the source. It’s called the “hurt-child reaction” I believe. When people here OBVIOUSLY intend to insult me, like when they demean my sexuality in vulgar terms, I am not always inclined to turn the other cheek. I’m not proud of that imperfection, but neither am I Jesus Christ. For you I will try harder. But please do not take my finding fault with the president I am voting for in November personally. I want him to be BETTER than he is, and I think improvement is possible, or I wouldn’t be arguing for it.
Correct. But then, King George is a registered Democrat.
Let’s take a look at what President Trump actually said:
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. So I asked Bill a question that probably some of you are thinking of, if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that too. It sounds interesting.”
UV therapy is what the President was talking about. And it is already in early stages, which shows that the President is up on current medical treatments or medical technology in early stages.
THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. (this should have a question mark, not a period because he was asking a question) Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me.
So we’ll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute, that’s — that’s pretty powerful…”
Notice, he pivots back to UV treatment.
“…I have to say, it covers a lot more territory than just this. This is — this is probably an easy thing, relatively speaking, for you.
I would like you to speak to the medical doctors to see if there’s any way that you can apply light and heat to cure. You know — but if you could. And maybe you can, maybe you can’t. Again, I say, maybe you can, maybe you can’t. I’m not a doctor. But I’m like a person that has a good you know what.”
Again, President Trump is speaking of UV treatments. He wants the doctors to look into it.
Then he asked Dr. Birx about it:
THE PRESIDENT: Deborah, have you ever heard of that? The heat and the light, relative to certain viruses, yes, but relative to this virus?
And she responded:
DR. BIRX: Not as a treatment. I mean, certainly fever —
THE PRESIDENT: Yeah.
DR. BIRX: — is a good thing. When you have a fever, it helps your body respond. But not as — I’ve not seen heat or (inaudible).
And she is in the lead on a virus that is killing off Americans on a daily basis but yet, has never heard of UV therapy which, from all reports, is promising? How much are we paying her again?
Nowhere did President Trump mention Lysol or any other disinfectant, like Clorox bleach. And I already posted links to the things that Trump was musing about. No response to those links from the Trump haters. As to the Lysol meme, made up by a hateful, disrespectful press like the hack, Jim Acosta and then repeated by the idiot Botoxed Malig-Nancy on the floor of the House of Representatives.
@George Wells: #63
no not at all insulting again you deny what it obvious, btw now that Curts cover is blown you can expect to get “disappeared” you wont see it coming it could be brother bob, doc john, Curt or even me., pray it isnt 05 or Deplorable,they seem to “lose” more targets, beware the RV…. (key spooky spy music)
I don’t know; I’m not keeping score.
Just be advised I view this current dual crisis a grave threat to this country and, thus to me, my family and my friends. I makes me sick to my f**king stomach to watch the endless attacks on Trump, who is merely doing the best he can, on everything he does and everything he says, particularly when it comes from people who support politicians that are doing NOTHING to help and everything to obstruct.
You’re not part of that group? Great. Make every effort not to be.
LOL! I’ll get more done around here if I AM “disappeared!” As it is, I come in for a break from cutting the grass, and catch up here a bit – hope the delayed responses are not too aggravating. For Retitre05’s sake, I DID forget one “episode” when I was in the Navy, so not entirely “celibate” then. Apparently, I had not been trash-talking “women” (not the term used at the time) enough to be convincing, and although Chris Hemsworth wasn’t yet on the scene for me to have been seen drooling over, there were suspicions. So on a trip out to San Diego, several of the chiefs set me up with one of the MARRIED warrant officer’s “port-o-call” girls to be “field-tested”, and out of necessity I “performed” twice. (Thinking of someone LIKE Chris Hemsworth). She evidently reported back to command an “all’s well that ends Wells” and after that, all was indeed clean sailing. Sorry, Retire05 (that IS a funny name…) I didn’t mean to give false witness. I simply forget. It WAS almost 50 years ago.. Trust me, that thing I did – it won’t happen again.
Maybe you take politics too seriously. I try to set things up in my life such that, short of a nuclear war, I’m prepared for anything, and if that nuclear thing happens, I’ll check MYSELF out rather than try to claw my way out of the dark ages. 70 and insulin-dependent? Nope. But that’s why I grow and catch food, OWN my home, have plenty of gold stashed, and know how to keep out of sight if that’s needed. If I WAS to get sick to my stomach, it would be worrying about all the neat little things that COVID-19 could do to my immune system, but then, I’ve had a good life, and death doesn’t scare me. The Smith & Wesson I own used to be for protection, but now it’s a one-way ticket off this rock, and I’m not afraid to use it.