Economists agree: Trump, not Obama, gets credit for economy

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Who deserves credit for the booming economy? This is not a petty argument. How voters answer the question could well determine whether Democrats retake the House of Representatives come November.

Trump and Obama (and their admirers) are slugging it out, both claiming that it is their policies that have led to the ongoing economic expansion, steady job growth and higher stock prices.



Happily for President Trump, the pros agree with him. A recent survey of economists suggest it is President Trump, and not Obama, who should be taking a bow.

The Wall Street Journal asked 68 business, financial and academic economists who was responsible for the strengthening of the economy, and most “suggested Mr. Trump’s election deserves at least some credit” for the upturn.

A majority said the president had been “somewhat” or “strongly” positive for job creation, gross domestic product growth and the rising stock market.

The pros cite the White House’s push for lighter regulation and the recent tax bill as critical to a pro-growth environment; more than 90 percent of the group thought the tax bill would boost GDP expansion over the next two years.

A year ago in the same survey, economists awarded President Obama mixed grades. Most saw his policies as positive for financial stability, but neutral-to-negative for GDP growth and negative for long-term growth. By contrast, Trump was seen as neutral to positive for long-term gains.

Why would Trump rate higher than Obama with this group? Economists point to the upturn in business confidence that accompanied Trump’s election, and tie that to increasing business investment. Spending on capital goods accelerated sharply over the first three quarters of last year, growing at an annualized rate of 6.2 percent.

Such outlays will spur productivity gains and lead to wage hikes, creating a virtuous circle complete with rising consumer confidence and spending.

Unhappily Trump, voters have not yet caught up with the experts. Democrats have done an excellent job of trashing Trump’s policies, issuing hysterical alarms over the supposed dangers of deregulation (toxic water, foul air!) and vilifying the GOP tax bill.

Imagine the nation polling negative on a tax cut for an estimated 90 percent of the workers. That takes genius.

Democrats are terrified that the tax cuts will be a pleasant surprise to those who believed House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) when she called the bill Armageddon, and when Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) declared it a “kick in the gut to the middle class.”

They are even more terrified of the bonuses and raises being handed out by employers large and small, who credit the tax bill for those unexpected benefits. Democrats are trying to convince voters that those $1,000 bonuses and pay hikes are “crumbs” as multi-millionaire Nancy Pelosi recently said.

Maybe $1,000 is “pathetic” to Pelosi, but for a great many Americans, it is a big and welcome windfall.

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So far, Democrats are winning the messaging war, using President Trump’s unpopularity to sour Americans on everything the White House does.

“Democrats” would, of course, include the propaganda arm of the party, aka the “mainstream media”.

But, I’m sure it was Obama’s economic brilliance that brought about this economic growth and expansion. It is merely a cruel coincidence that it waited 8 years and did not begin until Obama was gone and Trump began LEADING the nation.

@Bill… Deplorable Me: As we all recall, up until the day Obozo left office, he was still blaming every bad thing that happened on GWB, I guess his strategy was that every good thing that happens under Trump will be credited to Obozo. Trump’s credit doesn’t start til ’24.

@Redteam: From January 20, 2009, Obama knew he would not be able to restore the economy. So, he began his “blame Bush” campaign which described the economy as so ruined that it would never recover. Obama stated numerous times that his pathetic economic performance should be regarded a the “new normal”, as if no one could possibly do any better.

All it took for the economy to light off was Obama’s foot being removed from the neck of the economy. Beyond that, Trump has removed thousands of Obama’s onerous restrictions, relieved the public of Obamacare and now tax reform.

Obama’s purpose was to take the evil, oppressive United States down a few notches, weaken it at home and abroad so it cannot “oppress” so much anymore. He almost succeeded, but the US was too strong for him.

From Business Insider, September 10, 2018 — Bob Woodward book: Gary Cohn was ‘astounded at Trump’s lack of basic understanding’ about the federal debt

During a meeting with his top economic adviser, President Donald Trump suggested that since interest rates were going up, the US government should simply borrow massive amounts of money.

That’s according to Bob Woodward’s new book, “Fear: Trump in the White House.”

When Gary Cohn explained that increasing borrowing would push up the federal deficit, Trump suggested simply printing more money to pay off the debt.

Cohn explained that that could be seriously harmful to the US’s fiscal and economic situation, but Trump did not appear to understand, the book says.

During the first meeting between President-elect Donald Trump and his top economic adviser, Trump appeared confused by elements of the federal debt and US monetary policy.

The veteran journalist Bob Woodward’s new book, “Fear: Trump in the White House,” describes a conversation between Trump and Gary Cohn, the former director of the National Economic Council. Business Insider obtained a copy of the book, which is being published by Simon & Schuster and is set to be released Tuesday.

During the meeting at Trump Tower in November 2016, Cohn touched on a series of economic issues, including the Federal Reserve. Cohn told Trump that the Fed would most likely increase interest rates during his term. Trump then offered an idea of how to deal with the rising rates.

“We should just go borrow a lot of money, hold it, and then sell it to make money,” Trump said, according to the book.

While Trump was correct that many private businesses issue debt at a time of low interest rates, Cohn was “astounded at Trump’s lack of basic understanding” about what the government borrowing would mean, Woodward wrote.

During the campaign, Trump ran on a promise to eliminate the federal debt during his presidency. Borrowing more would increase the deficit and add to that debt, Cohn explained. The president-elect offered a solution.

“Just run the presses — print money,” Trump said, according to Woodward.

Cohn suggested that would be detrimental to the fiscal and economic health of the US, since printing vast amounts of money is thought to lead to inflation. But Trump returned to the idea later in the conversation.

Cohn also pointed to the federal debt ceiling, a statutory limit to the amount of debt the federal government can have outstanding. Even approaching the debt ceiling can be harmful to the stock market and US economic growth.

But according to Woodward, Cohn’s message did not seem to connect.

“It was clear that Trump did not understand the way the US government debt cycle balance sheet worked,” Woodward wrote.

Trump’s view on the debt is perhaps best espoused by Modern Monetary Theory, a burgeoning theory among some economists positing that the federal debt is not an economic restraint for the US. But MMT is not generally accepted by lawmakers of either party, most likely making it politically untenable at this point.

The back-and-forth over the debt was just the first clash between Cohn and Trump on economic policy, according to Woodward’s book. The pair fought over Trump’s desire to place tariffs on imports, and Cohn is said to have stolen documents off Trump’s desk to prevent the president from pulling the US out of major trade deals.

The White House has described “Fear” as “nothing more than fabricated stories.”

They’ve stated the anonymous NYT letter is a fabrication—and have also stated that they’re attempting to determine who the White House insider was that wrote it. I guess you’re supposed to choose whichever explanation most tickles your fancy.

@Greg: Everyone “quoted” in the book is denouncing it as lies. But, that’s just facts and stuff. Nothing a liberal would be interested in.

@Deplorable Bill, #5:

Everyone “quoted” in the book is denouncing it as lies. But, that’s just facts and stuff. Nothing a liberal would be interested in.

What would you expect? The first who acknowledges saying what Woodward has reported will be publicly crucified on the White House lawn, or possibly drawn and quartered. The title of the book explains that dysfunctional situation. Those who talked to Woodward are utilizing an obvious workaround: Everyone denies saying anything. Their safety lies in their denial and their number. Trump can’t fire his entire administration. He has the same problem with the anonymous New York Times writer.

The identity of Deep Throat was a secret for 30 years.

@Deplorable Bill: Obama, those jobs arent coming back 1% GDP the new normal Be interesting to see if Obama can give any candidate he stumps for the boost that they get when Trump does.

@Greg: I expect people to call lies lies, something you should learn. 33,000 emails about weddings and yoga, my ass. Also, now revealed China was reading them in real-time. But, you “believed” her. Learn who is lying… and why.

Wednesday, October 10, 2018 — Dow Jones closes down more than 800 points

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 831.83 points on Wednesday to close at 25,598.74, losing 3.2 percent of its value.

The stock market was dragged down by a sell-off in tech stocks, rising interest rates and tension over trade disputes with China.

Slides in corporate shares weren’t just (confined) to the Dow. The tech-heavy NASDAQ index also traded sharply lower, closing at 7,422.05, down 315.97 points or 4.1 percent. The S&P 500 closed at 2,785.68, down 94.66 points or 3.3 percent…

@Greg: Just as Hitler did before he ascended to power, the Democrats wish for human misery to somehow make themselves seem like a better choice that something else. Well, don’t get your hopes up. The growth shall continue.

@Deplorable Me:

It seems Greggie Gullible had forgotten what the DJIA ended at the day Obama left office. Let me mind him because I am sure he is ready to drink hemlock with today’s end.

15,766.74

Got that, Greggie? 15,766.74 9,828 points lower than today’s end.