Democrats: Vote For Us and We’ll Take Away Your Cars, Your Guns, and Your Meat

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Democratic presidential candidate Andrew Yang said the United States may have to eliminate private car ownership to combat climate change during MSNBC’s climate forum at Georgetown University Thursday morning.

He told MSNBC host Ali Velshi that “we might not own our own cars” by 2050 to wean the United States economy off of fossil fuels, describing private car ownership as “really inefficient and bad for the environment.” Privately owned cars would be replaced by a “constant roving fleet of electric cars.”

A video posted by the GOP War Room shows Velshi asking Yang what measures he sees the world taking to fight climate change by 2050.




“You have this ability to envision the future, right, with your proposals on universal basic income. You’ve played the whole chess game out and you see what it looks like on the other end. Play the chess game out on climate change,” Velshi said. “What does the world look like to you in 2050? What physically do you think we will do differently than we do today that will result in us fighting climate change?”

“Well I mentioned before that we might not own our own cars. Our current car ownership and usage model is really inefficient and bad for the environment,” Yang said.

“You guys all probably agree with this because you’re quite young,” he told the Georgetown University crowd, adding an anecdote about driving a 1985 Honda Accord as a young man.

Yang then proposed an alternative to individuals owning their own cars.

“What we’re really selling is not the car, it’s mobility,” he said. “So if you have mobility that’s then tied into a much more, if you had like, for example, this constant roving fleet of electric cars that you would just order up, then you could diminish the impact of ground transportation on our environment very, very quickly.”

Yang’s climate plan calls for nearly $5 trillion in spending over the next 20 years. His proposal includes embracing the impacts of climate change.

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Democrats: let US tell you how to live. We know best. However, don’t do as WE do… do as we say.

Vote for Trump and he’ll take away the rule of law and the constitutional powers of Congress to check the autocratic misuse of executive powers—because he’s doing it already.

We now have an assertion from Trump’s attorneys that it’s unconstitutional for a president to even be investigated for any criminal act for so long as he remains in office. Seriously. They have actually made that claim in a court filing. Think about the full implications of that for a moment.

@Greg:

Vote for Trump and he’ll take away the rule of law and the constitutional powers of Congress to check the autocratic misuse of executive powers—because he’s doing it already.

Well, we elected him and not only has he NOT done that, not only has there been not even an ATTEMPT to do that, but he has pushed to RESTORE the rule of law and Constitution disrupted and discarded by Obama and liberals.

We now have an assertion from Trump’s attorneys that it’s unconstitutional for a president to even be investigated for any criminal act so long as he remains in office. Think about that for a moment.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Isn’t this EXACTLY why you liberals claim Mueller didn’t charge Trump with obstruction…. because he CAN’T be charged? Which way do you want it?

More to the point, you can’t invade someone’s privacy (even if that person is Trump) without a credible reason for doing so. These people want to invade his privacy to SEE if there is a reason to invade his privacy. Sorry… that’s not how it works outside of police states, something you and your liberal fascists seem to crave.

@Deplorable Me, #3:

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! Isn’t this EXACTLY why you liberals claim Mueller didn’t charge Trump with obstruction…. because he CAN’T be charged? Which way do you want it?

No, Shirley, that IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT what Mueller said.

Mueller said that DoJ policy prevented federal prosecution of a sitting president. He was, in fact, summarizing the results of an investigation that had just been completed, and explaining why he was prevented from taking the next logical step.

If investigation of a sitting president were also prohibited, the process of impeachment detailed in the Constitution would not be possible. The assertion that Trump cannot be investigated for any criminal act is utterly absurd. The fact that such a claim is actually being made in a court filing is a flashing red warning light on the republic’s control panel.

@Greg:

No, Shirley, that IS MOST DEFINITELY NOT what Mueller said.

Oh, I know THAT. Mueller said Trump did not commit obstruction, no how, no way. However, you liberal whiners insisted the reason he did not say Trump committed obstruction was because he COULDN’T. He couldn’t prosecute, so he wouldn’t say. Yet, here you are wondering why Trump isn’t under criminal investigation. What’s the point? He can’t be charged… CAN HE?

He can be investigated, exposed, and then impeached or voted out of office—assuming a majority of Americans haven’t become too stupid and/or complacent to save themselves from a lying, amoral, self-aggrandizing former reality TV host who openly asserts himself to be above the law, while simultaneously misusing his powers of office in an effort to prove that it is so.

From Law & Crime, September 20, 2019 – ‘No One Is Above the Law’: Legal Experts Respond to Trump Claim That No One Can Criminally Investigate Him

@Greg: This isnt about Trump its the new and unimproved policies of the Socialist Democrats we promise it all and will tax everyone into the poorhouse then deliver CRAP, or nothing at all. Drive all businesses to 3rd world countries, so you have no job, cause corporations are evil or sumthin’.
They will repeat failed programs tried in other countries, cause, um, they did it wrong, rainbows without the rain, dystopia on steroids.

“What we’re really selling is not the car, it’s mobility,” Andrew Yang said. “So if you have mobility that’s then tied into a much more, if you had like, for example, this constant roving fleet of electric cars that you would just order up….”

Yang forgot one important thing.
We’d have to each pass a SOCIAL MEDIA SCORE in order to be allowed to order up travel.
Liberals want to grade Americans by their “Correct Thinking Quota,” before they can access their own money for things they might want or even need.
As in China, such a social score can be used to PUNISH all your political enemies.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/24/chinas-social-credit-system-bans-millions-travelling/

No, Yang hasn’t forgotten this.
He’s salivating over the power taking all our cars would give him.
He joins Dems who salivate over taking our guns and meats, too.

@Nan G:

It used to be that even Democrats ran on preserving the freedoms guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution for all of us. That is no longer the case. Now the Democrats are running on how they are going to control our lives because…….they know best. You see, they are all so much smarter than we are and they know what is really good for us. We are just too stupid to know those things. Name the issue; guns, cars, fossil fuels, meat, etc., we are just too stupid to understand that we are making bad decisions.

Add into that mix a couple of other things, such as pitting one group against another (well, not entirely). If you are any of the “special people” such as black, Hispanic, Muslim, female, LBCKXYZ, you are oppressed. And who is oppressing you? Just look to your white, Christian and generally male neighbor. If you are one of the “special peole” you might enjoy bar-b-quing with that white neighbor you consider a friend, but nooooooooooooooo, that neighbor is really your enemy.

Add to that the indoctrination of our youth. Did any of those kids skipping school today actually understand a damn thing about the earth’s history of warming/cooling and the science behind that process? Nope. They have been indoctrinated that there is a climate “crisis” and man is the culprit. So march.

Does any of this sound familiar? Were these tactics ever used before that resulted in nothing but the deaths of millions? Rational people see the similarities. People like Greggie Goebbels only sees what he has been programed to see.

@kitt, #7:

If you care about the Constitution, the rule of law, and “Truth, Justice, and The American Way”, I think 2020 is pretty much all about Donald Trump. The only 8 year term he possibly deserves is in prison, but I’ll be content if he just goes away and takes whatever loot he’s acquired along with him. Then if he shows up on television, I can just change stations.

The situation was nicely summarized elsewhere:

“If a president can’t be charged with any crime or investigated for any criminal act, he has also essentially been given carte blanche to break any law he wishes in order to nullify congressional oversight and deprive Congress of all investigative powers needed to effectively pursue impeachment—which, it might be pointed out, is where we are now.”

This guy is one step away from becoming a tin-pot despot. All he needs is time to finish stacking the courts.

@Greg:

This guy is one step away from becoming a tin-pot despot. All he needs is time to finish stacking the courts.

Really, Greggie Goebbels? And exactly what freedoms have you lost due to Trump? You still have the freedom to speak like the idiot you are, so what has changed? Perhaps you would prefer Bernie or Warren so that once their Socialist ideals are implemented you really would lose freedom.

You are one sick person. Again, I recommend you get a hobby. Maybe then you could make a friend.

@Greg: Yeah, Trump is a despot. That’s why he uses ANTIFA to go forth and try to beat people into submission. That’s why he controls the media and uses the media to promote lies, false accusations and condoning political violence. That’s why he tries to silence opposition through threats and intimidation of attacking them in every aspect of their lives. That’s why he promotes a cult religion that seeks to control the entire economy and social structure of the entire world.

We’ll probably have to notify you if you ever start to make logical sense because I doubt you would recognize it.

@Deplorable Me:

We’ll probably have to notify you if you ever start to make logical sense because I doubt you would recognize it.

Greggie Goebbels makes AOC look like a Mensa member.

The rising level of personal insults can be used as a reliable measure of how insecure you feel about your blind devotion to Donald Trump.

“If a president can’t be charged with any crime or investigated for any criminal act, he has also essentially been given carte blanche to break any law he wishes in order to nullify congressional oversight and deprive Congress of all investigative powers needed to effectively pursue impeachment—which, it might be pointed out, is where we are now.”

That’s a fact. Are you truly possessed by the bizarre notion that the Founding Fathers—who had just struggled through years of war to throw off the oppressive rule of a foreign king—intended to create a Chief Executive who is above the reach of constitutional law, and cannot even be investigated? Because that idea is crazy.

@Greg: Why don’t you identify the law that has been broken FIRST, then we can determine how to proceed? Up till now, all the entire left has been doing is investigating to try and FIND a crime… and you CAN’T.

You don’t even SUSPECT anything, you just WISH you could find a substitute for the Constitution.

It’s far easier to identify illogical thinking.

Do you really think it’s OK for a president to be both immune from prosecution and immune from investigation? Because that would make it possible for him or her to break any law to evade congressional oversight powers and investigation, essentially rendering impeachment impossible.

What would we have for a president, then?

That he can’t be prosecuted has been established. His lawyers are actually asserting in court that he can’t be investigated, either.

It’s already been pointed out what specific laws have been broken—a couple we know of, at least.

@Greg:

Why don’t you identify the law that has been broken FIRST, then we can determine how to proceed?

Answer the question, coward.

@Greg: No I believe his lawyers are pushing the envelope. Nancy Pelosis idea about allowing a president being prosecuted is insane. With all the federal attorneys and district attorneys it would be endless law suits and NO President simply cant take time to endlessly defend himself in court and run the country.
A 50 million dollar personal fine for groundless or malicious suits might slow them down only slightly.
Hell they sued Sarah Palin for wearing a snowmobile suit, cause it had a namebrand on it. No merit to it, she wasnt given the suit she purchased it. It gets damn cold in Alaska and snow mobile suits are common outer wear.
Congress has been a pain in the ass and failing to legislate that just happens to be their main function. The get Trump thing is really old.
Shouldnt they be working on a budget, immigration reform and other things that fit their job description?

@retire05, #17:

I’ve cited the laws being broken previously and posted links to them, as you well know, unless your memory issues are progressing. I was the one who asked a question. Allow me to repeat it:

“If a president can’t be charged with any crime or investigated for any criminal act, he has also essentially been given carte blanche to break any law he wishes in order to nullify congressional oversight and deprive Congress of all investigative powers needed to effectively pursue impeachment—which, it might be pointed out, is where we are now.”

Are you truly possessed by the bizarre notion that the Founding Fathers—who had just struggled through years of war to throw off the oppressive rule of a foreign king—intended to create a Chief Executive who is above the reach of constitutional law, and cannot even be investigated?

If your answer is “yes” we can just agree that you’re nuts, and save much time that might otherwise be wasted on further pointless discussion.

As Speedy Gonzlas would say Moocho Loco in the Capasa this Yang screwball sounds like he has landed on his head way too many times but again we see the Democrat party and the Anti-Freedom,Anti-Free Choice(Unless its Abortion)Anti-Gun Big Brother 1984 types of loose nuts

@Greg:

Do you really think it’s OK for a president to be both immune from prosecution and immune from investigation?

No, I don’t. Only liberals believe that when liberals are under suspicion. However, to maintain ongoing and endless “investigations”, not of any alleged crime but simply LOOKING for something politically useful is a violation of our Constitution and extremely corrosive to the function of the government.

I’ve cited the laws being broken previously and posted links to them, as you well know, unless your memory issues are progressing.

No you haven’t. All you’ve referred to is resisting the unlawful invasion of privacy attempted by demanding Trump’s income taxes to simply look at and hope to find some political dynamite. DEMOCRATS are breaking the law, not Trump. You have investigated, investigated, investigated and investigated and have found NOTHING to even justify your suspicion to investigate.

Meanwhile, we had REAL evidence of crimes by Hillary but you didn’t believe investigation was fair. You currently don’t think investigation of REAL evidence that Biden interfered in another country’s investigations is fair. Basically, you believe exactly like Schiff and Nadler; investigations and laws are to be used as political weapons and NOT to be applied to Democrats.

andrew yang flies in private jets, limo transportation, maids in his house, eats meat and wants your money. recall that in a socialistic society the masses are maintained in a classless social order, and walls are constructed around the leaders to protect them from the masses.

@Greg:

I’ve cited the laws being broken previously and posted links to them, as you well know, unless your memory issues are progressing.

Er, no you haven’t, unless you are referring to the IRS regulation that you think, using your legal acumen, is the smoking gun to impeach a sitting president.

Basically you have offered nothing more than platitudes and bomides such as:

Vote for Trump and he’ll take away the rule of law and the constitutional powers of Congress to check the autocratic misuse of executive powers—because he’s doing it already.

which is the first line of your first post on this thread.

He can be investigated, exposed, and then impeached or voted out of office—assuming a majority of Americans haven’t become too stupid and/or complacent to save themselves from a lying, amoral, self-aggrandizing former reality TV host who openly asserts himself to be above the law, while simultaneously misusing his powers of office in an effort to prove that it is so.

Those are just from this thread. Your declarative statements are too numerous to mention. Add to that your questions, always responding to a question with a question. You seem to think that is effective (being that liberals like yourself never like to answer direct, to the point, questions).

So tell us, Barrister Goebbels, just exactly what laws has President Trump violated outside of the IRS rule you have deemed him to be in violation of? Make a list. Give it to us.

Like all liberals, you are a game player. Never presenting facts definitively. Answering questions with more questions. Dodging, dashing, diverting. IOW, being blatantly dishonest when making a statement then having nothing to back it up, like the rest of the DemocRATS.

Russia, Russia, Russia, racism, racism, racism, recession, recession, recession. Ooops, all that fell flat on it’s face in your desire to find something, anything, for which to impeach Donald J. Trump. And in the end, only the DemocRATS looked foolish and inept.

You’re a coward and a liar. And anyone who reads your tripe on this website understands that with your first post. So you now have a choice; you can man up and post the laws you believe Trump has broken or you can STFU.

@retire05: Keep in mind, this is the guy that said he actually BELIEVED Hillary deleted 33,000 State Department emails the moment she learned they wanted to archive them because they were all about yoga, wedding and funeral plans. Keep in mind, he VOTED for Hillary. So, he isn’t much of an intelligence barometer.

Russia, Russia, Russia, racism, racism, racism, recession, recession, recession. Ooops, all that fell flat on it’s face in your desire to find something, anything, for which to impeach Donald J. Trump. And in the end, only the DemocRATS looked foolish and inept.

You forgot “obstruction, obstruction, obstruction, extortion, extortion, extortion.” In reality, it can easily be summed up with one different word: NOTHING.

Trump broke the law that must not be violated: impeding the liberal agenda and march towards socialism.

@Deplorable Me:

Trump broke the law that must not be violated: impeding the liberal agenda and march towards socialism.

Therein lies the problem Greggie Goebbels has with Trump because Greggie Goebbels is a Socialist (really a Communist). And because Greggie Goebbels can only parrot what he reads/hears from his left wing Socialist limo liberals who don’t really give a damn if Greggie Goebbels has enough money to live on. Socialism is for the Socialists, not for the everyday Joe just trying to live a comfortable life or making things better for his children.

What kind of political society indoctrinates children into hating their parents because………………………CLIMATE CRISIS. Every dictator in history indoctrinated children. In Nazi Germany, the Hitler youth were taught to report infractions committed by their parents to the SS and Gestapo. Same in Communist China and Cuba. I often refer to Antonio Gramsci. There is a reason for that. Democrats are following his plan for a Socialist society to the letter.

We have a spineless bunch of Republicans in Congress that are convinced if they take on the Democrats they will be demonized and voted out of office ending the cushy job they have. Trump has no such fear. That drives the left, like Greggie Goebbels, nuts.

Now we are learning that the recent, and infamous, whistleblower, was not actually privy to Trump’s conversation with a foreign official but is actually repeating a rumor he was told. But hey, Greggie Goebbels, and the left wing press are screaming “We got him now.”

@retire05: Top of the list of things the democrats are really really bad
Climate
Basic logic
Government
Freedom/Constitution
Science
Math/economy
Place them in any order you want.

@kitt: You gotta love Yang’s concept of eliminating personally owned fossil fueled vehicles. In his vision, whenever you want to go somewhere, you either take mass transit (if available) or wait for an electric vehicle to meander by to carry you… somewhere… eventually.

So, no more living out of big cities. No more RV’s. No more seeing the country. I guess when you want a vacation, you stand in line for a government-approved “holiday”, like they did in Nazi Germany. Clearly, THIS is what “climate change” is all about. Control.

We would be left with but one freedom; the freedom to submit.

@retire05, #23:

Er, no you haven’t, unless you are referring to the IRS regulation that you think, using your legal acumen, is the smoking gun to impeach a sitting president.

Yes, that is precisely what I am referring to—as you obviously realize, or you wouldn’t have mentioned it.

A link has also been posted to the law requiring that whistleblower complaints deemed credible by the intelligence community’s Inspector General be provided to Congress within seven days. The rendering of an opinion by the DoJ concerning whether or not the requirement applies in some particular case IS NOT part of that process, because making it so would essentially nullify congressional oversight over an Executive Branch entity that the law was intended to provide.

This is all just Trump, once again misusing his power of office to protect himself from exposure, and you either blind to what he’s doing, or doing your own little bit to enable him in spite of knowing. That seems to be the situation with the GOP as a whole.

@Greg: The whistle blower has already been determined to be just another whiny crybaby with an ax to grind.

NEXT?

@Greg: You refuse to see there is a newer more modern statute insuring privacy, which cannot be ignored.
Can you imagine the founding fathers submitting their private financial papers to congress upon demand?
I can go before or after your silly unconstitutional law and prove it is simply tyranny.
Now can you comment on the leftist policies of the Presidential candidates?
Which are you for?

@Greg: Does ignorant Greg understand that Trump’s income tax submissions have already been checked by the Obama IRS? I am sure that if there had been an issue, Obama would have released it.

@Deplorable Me, #29:

The whistle blower has already been determined to be just another whiny crybaby with an ax to grind.

Nope. Trumpists have only been convinced of that, which sadly involved little more than telling them to believe that it’s true.

Nothing more is known about the identity of the intelligence officer or the content of the complaint that the Inspector General agreed was a matter of urgent concern than was known to begin with.

What IS known is that the law requires that Congress be provided with a copy of such complaints within 7 days, and the Trump administration has inappropriately called in the DoJ to run interference, exactly as it did with the IRS. The DoJ should have nothing whatsoever to do with this process, because the DoJ is under the authority of the entity subject to congressional oversight.

@Greg:

Er, no you haven’t, unless you are referring to the IRS regulation that you think, using your legal acumen, is the smoking gun to impeach a sitting president.

Yes, that is precisely what I am referring to

But let’s review what you actually said, shall we, Greggie Goebbels? You said:

I’ve cited the laws being broken previously and posted links to them, as you well know, unless your memory issues are progressing.

I know that parrots are not really very bright, and only capable of making mimicking sounds, but to any one with half an education, laws and them are plural, not singular.

A link has also been posted to the law requiring that whistleblower complaints deemed credible by the intelligence community’s Inspector General be provided to Congress within seven days

If you are referring to the link you provided in this thread, it is not to the law. It is to an article written quoting Never-Trump lawyers including Lawrence Tribe, a most left wing hack if there ever was one.

The rendering of an opinion by the DoJ concerning whether or not the requirement applies in some particular case IS NOT part of that process

It is part of the DOJ’s office to render legal opinions to ALL federal departments. So yes, the DNI had a legitimate right to ask the DOJ for a legal opinion.

Not only are you an idiot, Greggie Goebbels, your are a lousy lawyer. And you whole “We’ve got Trump now” on a bogus ICWPA claim, is falling apart quicker than a cheap shirt.

@Greg:

Nothing more is known about the identity of the intelligence officer or the content of the complaint that the Inspector General agreed was a matter of urgent concern than was known to begin with.

What is known is that the “intelligence office” as you refer to the whistleblower, did not relay first hand information but rather made a claim that he/she was told this claim of a quid pro quo by another. So the whistleblower never overheard any conversation between Trump and a foreign leader.

The Act defines a matter of “urgent concern” as:[2]
1.a serious or flagrant problem, abuse, violation of law or Executive order, or deficiency relating to the funding, administration, or operations of an intelligence activity involving classified information, but does not include differences of opinions concerning public policy matters;
2.A false statement to Congress, or a willful withholding from Congress, on an issue of material fact relating to the funding, administration, or operation of an intelligence activity (such as James Comey was facilitating); or
3.An action constituting reprisal or threat of reprisal in response to an employee’s reporting an urgent concern.

You remain an idiot, Greggie Goebbels as well as one (mentally) sick puppy.

@retire05, #33:

The link was posted before, but I’ll post it again since you’re apparently too lazy to look for it. Here ya go: 50 U.S. Code § 3033.Inspector General of the Intelligence Community

Of particular relevance:

§ 3033 (k)(2)(c)

(A)The Inspector General shall report immediately to the Director whenever the Inspector General becomes aware of particularly serious or flagrant problems, abuses, or deficiencies relating to programs and activities within the responsibility and authority of the Director of National Intelligence.

(B)The Director shall transmit to the congressional intelligence committees each report under subparagraph (A) within 7 calendar days of receipt of such report, together with such comments as the Director considers appropriate. The Director shall transmit to the committees of the Senate and of the House of Representatives with jurisdiction over a department of the United States Government any portion of each report under subparagraph (A) that involves a problem, abuse, or deficiency related to a component of such department simultaneously with transmission of the report to the congressional intelligence committees.

At which point you will no doubt begin whining again that only a lawyer has the elevated intellectual powers necessary to read and understand a statute written in plain English. Bear in mind that your own deficiencies in that area are not necessarily shared by everyone.

@Deplorable Me: Of course Biden lying through his slippry teeth dosent and demanding impeachment doesnt shine a spotlight on Hunter and his mysteriously lucerative foreign business activities.

@kitt: Liberals know liberals lie; it’s in their DNA. It doesn’t stand out as a flaw among other liberals. The better they lie, the more campaigns they win, since their real policies don’t appeal to Americans.

@Deplorable Me: Their policies dont appeal to anyone sane.

@kitt: Or anyone that loves this country.

@Greg:

Bear in mind that your own deficiencies in that area are not necessarily shared by everyone.

After years of your posts, it is clear that you pose no challenge to anyone who possesses an I.Q. above their shoe size.

Perhaps you should try reading an entire statute instead of just cherry picking those clauses that fit with your agenda. That would be a good start.

It would also be refreshing if you ever discussed anything other than your rampant Trump hatred. But then, Trump is beating the hell out of your plans for a Socialist America.

@retire05, #41:

Perhaps you should try reading an entire statute instead of just cherry picking those clauses that fit with your agenda.

I just “cherry picked” the specific part of the law that Trump’s flunkies are breaking—the part stating what the Director of National Intelligence shall do within 7 days, which he is refusing to do, citing some bull crap excuse furnished by the DoJ—which has no statutory authority to intervene to begin with.

@Greg: Why dont you comment on the subject?
Get Trump lives in your head 24/7 snap out of it guy!

Because a president who has been pronounced immune from criminal prosecution is now asserting that he cannot even be investigated, and is openly breaking the law to prevent such investigation with no fear of consequences.

Are we supposed to rely on his morals and sense of fair play to guarantee a fair election so that he doesn’t get another 4 years to see how much further he can push it? He got an assist from Russia last time around. This time it looks like he might be trying to enlist Ukraine to build a phony scandal to smear Joe Biden. Who knows what else a super-empowered bullshit artist who can’t be prosecuted or investigated for his actions may get up to? His motivation to do anything to win is very high. If he loses the election, he loses his immunity before the statute of limitations runs out.

@Greg:

I just “cherry picked” the specific part of the law that Trump’s flunkies are breaking—the part stating what the Director of National Intelligence shall do within 7 days, which he is refusing to do, citing some bull crap excuse furnished by the DoJ—which has no statutory authority to intervene to begin with.

I can remember as far back as… this year when you were OK with Mueller’s investigators not bothering to fill out and file their 302’s for their interviews. And, of course, your acceptance of Obama’s administrators and Hillary lying to Congress is renown. Perhaps when one administration completely disregards the rule of law, it no longer becomes SOP.

However, in this case, since the accusation is obviously false, politically motivated and involving confidential Presidential conversations with foreign leaders, it’s nothing to worry about. I mean, it’s not like Trump promised Putin to do whatever he wants when he is reelected or anything treasonous like that. He just wants some US criminals investigated.

Because a president who has been pronounced immune from criminal prosecution is now asserting that he cannot even be investigated, and is openly breaking the law to prevent such investigation with no fear of consequences.

WOW! That’s pretty nasty! Show us where Trump said he could not be prosecuted or investigated. If my memory serves me correctly, he has been investigated three times and has fully cooperated with each one. I wonder when his attitude changed so drastically? So provide the quotes where TRUMP said he is immune (aside from the fact that NO sitting President can be indicted).

Are we supposed to rely on his morals and sense of fair play to guarantee a fair election so that he doesn’t get another 4 years to see how much further he can push it?

Yes. He is the duly elected President and has committed NO crimes for which impeachment would be called for, so that seems to be the case. I’m sorry you will have to endure more prosperity, repair of Obama’s wreckage, a stronger nation and better national security. I now how that pains liberals.

He got an assist from Russia last time around.

No he didn’t; Hillary did. She got aid from Ukraine, too. And the media interfered on her behalf as well, as did Obama, the FBI and DOJ.

This time it looks like he might be trying to enlist Ukraine to build a phony scandal to smear Joe Biden.

Like Hillary, Biden has brought this upon himself with his corruption and lies. Why do Democrats support so many criminals? Are ALL Democrats corrupt, lying criminals?

@Deplorable Me, #45:

However, in this case, since the accusation is obviously false, politically motivated and involving confidential Presidential conversations with foreign leaders, it’s nothing to worry about. I mean, it’s not like Trump promised Putin to do whatever he wants when he is reelected or anything treasonous like that.

The complaint IS NOT “obviously false”, because even congressional intelligence oversight committees required by law to be provided with copies of the complaint within 7 days have not been allowed to see it.

If it’s “obviously false”, why not just give them the document as the law requires and put a prompt end to speculation and other such nonsense? Why waste everybody’s time and raise unnecessary suspicions?

From FOX News, September 23, 2019: Trump’s Cross-Dressing Gargoyle Attacks Again.

That’s not really the title, of course. Here it is: Giuliani accuses Ukraine of laundering $3M to Hunter Biden, asks how Obama could let that happen

Rudy Giuliani@RudyGiuliani

If Dem party doesn’t call for investigation of Bidens’ millions from Ukraine and billions from China, they will own it. Bidens’ made big money selling public office. How could Obama have allowed this to happen? Will Dems continue to condone and enable this kind pay-for-play?

3:23 AM – Sep 23, 2019

The Bidens have now made millions from Ukraine and billions from China? There’s not a shred of evidence supporting this psychotic little toad’s slanderous allegations, and plenty to refute them.

Joe Biden had by far the highest annual income of his entire life in 2018. He made millions from book deals and speaking engagements—far more than he ever made during his many years serving in elected office. Where it all came from is no secret, as he has made his 2018 tax returns available for public inspection—all 75 pages of them.

Joe Biden’s tax returns are available for public inspection at this website for the past 21 consecutive years. If he were in politics for the money, he probably wouldn’t consider jumping back in.

Put up or shut up, Rudy. Biden has nothing to hide. Let’s see your master’s tax returns.

@Greg:

The complaint IS NOT “obviously false”, because even congressional intelligence oversight committees required by law to be provided with copies of the complaint within 7 days have not been allowed to see it.

Partisan Democrats want it pursued. It is nothing BUT partisan politics and should be dismissed out of hand. Biden should be investigated, and now our FBI should be investigating HIM extorting the Ukrainians to stop an investigation of his son while the Ukrainians continue the original investigation. We are seeing that Obama, Biden and Hillary got the Ukrainians to interfere on her behalf in the 2016 election. Democrats simply don’t know when to shut up, do they?

@Greg: The evidence is what you choose to ignore. Hunter Biden sat on the board of a Ukrainian oil company fact.
The businesses of Hunter Biden and his partners created a series of LLCs involved in multibillion-dollar private equity deals with companies owned by the Chinese government. The centerpiece of these deals is Rosemont Seneca Partners, an investment firm controlled by Hunter Biden and his associates: Chris Heinz, who is John Kerry’s stepson. Fact
$1.5B contract in Iraq for Biden’s little brother . Fact
James Biden has been the executive vice president of Hill International’s housing subsidiary despite little if any documented work history in residential construction Fact.
Biden raised eyebrows when he shrugged off concerns over the China threat. “Come on, man,” Biden said. “I mean, you know, they’re not bad folks” they gave my kid quite a financial boost!.
http://goldenageofgaia.com/2019/07/10/1-5b-contracts-in-iraq-and-china-for-biden-relatives/http://goldenageofgaia.com/2019/07/10/1-5b-contracts-in-iraq-and-china-for-biden-relatives/
Just because your media doesnt point your nose at it doesnt mean there isnt documented evidence.

@Deplorable Me, #48:

It is nothing BUT partisan politics and should be dismissed out of hand.

You can’t possibly know that, if even those who are required by law to see the complaint haven’t been allowed to see it. By defying the law, at the very least Trump is unnecessarily creating suspicion and wasting time.