At Least On Immigration, Democrats Are Still Losing The “War Of Ideas”

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Jazz Shaw:

We now interrupt your flurry of Russian lawyer-based stories for a few brief observations on President Trump’s travel ban and how the Democrats are responding to it. While this case will show up yet again at the Supreme Court this fall, there’s one other test taking place on a daily basis, and that’s in the court of public opinion. Whether Trump wins or loses in front of any particular set of justices (though it seems more and more likely that he’ll prevail on the merits) the real question for members of the political class to wrestle with is how the public is reacting. Karol Markowicz has a few surprises on that score in a piece at the New York Post this week. For all the talk you hear coming out of the Democrats in Congress you’d think that restrictions on immigration from terror hot spots is anathema to rank and file Americans. But surprise, surprise, surprise. It’s actually not.

Last week, a Politico/Morning Consult poll on President Trump’s proposed travel ban on visitors from six predominantly Muslim countries revealed a somewhat surprising discovery: 60 percent of voters agreed with Trump’s proposed ban. That includes 56 percent of independents and even 41 percent of Democrats.

The plan, however, has a distinct advantage: It’s the only idea on the table.

What’s the alternative to the ban from the left? What’s the plan to stop terrorist attacks? Literally nothing.

That phrase… “literally nothing” describes pretty much the entirety of the Democrats’ position on both terror threats from the countries included in the travel ban and the overall subject of illegal immigration in general. And, as Markowicz points out, it all boils down to reflexive political instincts. If the Republicans in general and Trump in particular think something is a good idea, it must be a terrible idea, so we’ll oppose anything to do with it. This is a habit which most voters will find insulting if they take the time to consider it because Democratic leaders are basically treating their electorate like a bunch of toddlers. People have more nuanced views on pretty much everything if you give them the required information and a bit of time to ponder it.

Some voters may rightly have specific concerns about particular aspects of Trump’s travel ban. Are the right countries included? Should there be more or fewer exceptions? How long should it last? All valid questions, but as we see in the poll cited above, there’s almost nobody who just flatly and blindly opposes the idea.

This is of a piece with the overall illegal immigration question. If the GOP wants to curtail illegal immigration and deport illegal aliens, rather than discussing the details, Democrats immediately erect sanctuary cities and want to keep everyone here. Trump wants to build a wall, so the knee-jerk response from the Democrats is to cancel any and all funding for any sort of barrier construction. But if you look at the most recent entries in Gallup’s long running poll on attitudes regarding illegal immigration you’ll see that the Democrats are once again missing the boat. There is virtually nobody in this country in favor of completely open borders. 59% of Americans worry either “a great deal or a fair amount” about illegal immigration. And that includes not only 79% of Republicans, but 48% of Democrats. That’s pretty much half of your base right there.

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@Deplorable Me, #48:

Well, actually they are. Every single one of them. See, despite the liberal belief that if you don’t agree with a law, it simply ceases to exist is not the case in the real world. When someone violates our immigration laws, they become a criminal.

No, they do not “become a criminal.”

You seem to have missed a fundamental legal concept somewhere along the way: “While every crime violates the law, not every violation of the law counts as a crime.”

Entering the country without proper documentation is a statutory misdemeanor, not an offense under criminal law. Those who break that particular law are not criminals, any more than you are a criminal if you have at some point gone to court for failure to pay your parking tickets.

Such fundamental distinctions exist in law and the real world, even if they don’t penetrate the information-and-reality-resistant boundaries of Trump World. This guy is president only because of innumerable facts that people don’t know, and all sorts of incorrect information that they’re totally convinced they do.

@Greg:

Entering the country without proper documentation is a statutory misdemeanor, not an offense under criminal law.

People go to jail for misdemeanors. People go to jail for civil offenses. Perhaps it is a lesser crime than, say, killing an innocent girl out for a walk with her father with a gun they stole, but it is still a crime.

Such fundamental distinctions exist in law and the real world, even if they don’t penetrate the information-and-reality-resistant boundaries of Trump World.

So, Obama never jailed any illegal immigrants? Talk about denying reality…. sheesh.

@Greg: I see you are still spewing the same silly things. You would be right if people who illegally enter this country did nothing else, but they do not. The next thing they do is falsify documents to get jobs, rent housing and drive vehicles. If every violation of a law is not a crime, just what is it?

People go to jail for misdemeanors. People go to jail for civil offenses.

Right. And not all people who go to jail are sent there owing to criminal offenses. Some people in jail are criminals; some people have only committed minor misdemeanors. Having been sentenced to jail doesn’t necessarily mean a person is a criminal. A person can go to jail for violating a local noise ordinance. In a number of states, you can receive a jail sentence for littering. It doesn’t make you a criminal.

Where do you folks get your legal information? From watching Andy of Mayberry?

@Greg: Is driving a vehicle with no license a misdemeanor? Is falsifying employment documents such as SSN docs a misdemeanor? Is driving drunk without a license or insurance a misdemeanor? I believe that if you look at what illegals do after they cross into the us illegally do, you will find that many are felonies. That is a criminal offense, and your sanctuary cities/states are protecting them. Where did you get your legal license??

For Gregs poor worried mind corrections made by lying media who cant check their stories before printing them http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/06/01/establishment-media-issues-four-corrections-after-falsely-claiming-trump-separating-families-at-border/

@Greg:

Right. And not all people who go to jail are sent there owing to criminal offenses. Some people in jail are criminals; some people have only committed minor misdemeanors.

Do you often find yourself wondering what the definition of “is” is? If someone goes to jail for a civil offense, that does not make them a “civilian”. It makes them a criminal, for there ARE civil crimes.

I guess if the President is accused of a “misdemeanor”, he can only be sort of, kind of, impeached just a little bit? You’re losing, Greg and you are sounding more and more silly. I don’t doubt for a minute you know better but you stretch, twist, contort and squirm to TRY to make your ideological defenses. It just ain’t working out.

Surge in children separated at border floods facility for undocumented immigrants
The nearly 1,500 boys living in the shelter sleep five in rooms built for four.

The children, a mix of those who crossed into the U.S. unaccompanied and those who were separated from their parents under Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ new zero-tolerance policy, spend 22 hours per day during the week (21 hours on weekends) locked inside a converted former Walmart, packing five into rooms built for four.

It currently houses nearly 1,500 boys ranging from 10 to 17 years old.

NBC News was among the first news organizations granted access to the overcrowded Casa Padre facility.

The average stay at the center in Brownsville is 52 days. After that, minors are placed with a sponsor.

Shelter leaders said they were not notified in advance of the Department of Justice’s recently stated goal to prosecute 100 percent of immigrants crossing into the U.S. illegally. Children are automatically separated from parents referred for criminal prosecution.

The policy has led to a surge in children filling the center above its legal capacity, and has sent officials in Washington scrambling to open temporary tent cities around the country.

@Greg: The children cannot accompany their parents to the adult detention center, just as we do not send American children to prison with their parents. They are fed housed and clothed all on the tax payers dime. If it is a deterrent to others coming over the border thats a good thing. USA is not the only other country on the planet let them go elsewhere.

Very young children should not be forcibly taken from their mothers. Perhaps some think the mothers are deserving of such treatment, owing to their willful undocumented entry. Even if that were so, their children have done nothing that justifies subjecting them to such trauma.

Consider the numbers, presented in the article below. Look at the animation demonstrating how rapidly they’re climbing. Clearly zero tolerance, 100 percent prosecution is a policy that is already spinning out of control. The situation is unsustainable. It’s going to quickly blow up into a management crisis and then a humanitarian crisis. At some point, some very bad things are bound to happen. That’s not going to serve the administration’s agenda. If they’re not smart enough to figure that out, they’ll deserve the political disaster that follows:

June 15, 2018 — The Trump administration’s separation of families at the border, explained

@Greg:

The nearly 1,500 boys living in the shelter sleep five in rooms built for four.

OH MY GOD!! THIS IS A TRAVESTY!!! 5 IN A ROOM FOR 4?

When I was growing up, three boys slept in a room for one. It didn’t kill any of us.

You know how to keep those families together? They could keep themselves together in their own country.

If someone wanted to rob a bank, they should take their young children with them. Then, if caught, they could not be put in jail because you can’t put the children in jail and it is mean to separate them.

Sessions is only enforcing the law. This seems strange to liberals who believe laws are mere suggestions that do not take current political conditions and considerations into consideration. To you, laws are optional.

You don’t like how illegal immigrants, flooding into the country with the hopes of government subsidies and quick release, being prosecuted? STOP luring them here with promises that we will waive all our laws for their benefit. SECURE the border. This is a LIBERAL tragedy, as most are.

@Deplorable Me, #61:

When I was growing up, three boys slept in a room for one. It didn’t kill any of us.

Were you sleeping in a abandoned Walmart under the watchful eye of uniformed guards, surrounded by children who had also been forcibly taken from their parents?

Sessions is only enforcing the law.

Sessions is only following orders. It’s an excuse that has been used in the past.

Trump is using the taking of children from their parents as a means of intimidation. Coming to America in hope of finding a better future for your children? We’ll throw you in prison, and take them away from you.

STOP luring them here with promises that we will waive all our laws for their benefit. SECURE the border. This is a LIBERAL tragedy, as most are.

No, it most definitely IS NOT “a liberal tragedy.” The illegal immigration problem was purposely ignored for decades to provide American businesses with a readily available supply of dirt cheap, easily exploitable labor, where all attendant social costs could be dodged by employers and passed on to the taxpayers. It’s another case of corporate America and the wealthy benefiting at the expense of everybody else. Now they’re using the consequences that they themselves are largely responsible for as a political tool.

Elected republicans were undeniably complicit. Their base generally doesn’t get that, because they never seem to notice the people they elect say one thing while doing something else. Trying to pin it all on liberals is nothing more than another typical example of the blame shifting they’ve elevated to the level of performance art.

DHS: Nearly 2,000 Children Separated From Adults At Border In 6 Weeks

@Greg: Have you seen the videos of the quarters these children are living under? They are living better than I ever did until I became an Army Major. You are just taking the ignorant view as always. Would you want the children to be staying in a prison with their parents where they can be abused by others? How do you know the people with these children are their parents? Get off your high horse and look at the issues and come up with solutions. You liberals started this problem with your open border policies, now as usual, you cry and blame someone else. Be part of the solution for once instead of being the problem!

@Greg:
If only there was something these parents could do to prevent this horror from happening to their children.
Cry me a friggin river.

@Randy, #63:

Would you want the children to be staying in a prison with their parents where they can be abused by others?

Maybe you should look up the recent ACLU report on the levels of abuse against detained immigrant children in the custody of U.S. Border authorities. It’s not a pretty picture.

Too many children of widely varying ages, thrown together without the watchful protection of loving parents is a recipe for abusive situations. You do keep saying how some of the older ones are criminals and gang members. Perhaps you should consider your own words.

@Randy: Wow yeah lets count all the problems solved by liberal policies and programs…well that was quick.

Anyone with even a pea brain like Greg can see that there were major issues in the justice department, the FBI and the CIA leadership and in some cases that was evident in the second tier of leadership. Anyone excusing these leaders from their treasonous behavior are just as guilty. They are prevent our government from healing itself by finding the truth and exposing it to the public. Only then can this get fixed and only then can we, the people begin to have confidence.

There has to be equal justice under our laws or our laws are meaningless. Violating information security to the point where our enemies have easy access to secure information is a felony. Charge those people with that felony! HRC, Comey, McCabe and others are certainly guilty since we the public with no security clearance can read their official emails. Lying while under oath is also a felony, so why is Clapper walking around our streets? Lying to FISA to be able to listen to American citizen telephone conversations is also a felony. Why are these crimes not being vigorously pursued? These people are a threat to our national security. All of those who support them also are a threat to our national security.

@Kitt: Well, if liberals just stop obstructing those who are trying to resolve problems, it would be a major event!

@Greg:

Were you sleeping in a abandoned Walmart under the watchful eye of uniformed guards, surrounded by children who had also been forcibly taken from their parents?

No, I was in the country I was a citizen of, abiding by its laws. But, what does that matter? Your point was 5 in a space for 4, as if that was some horrific travesty. The parents have broken immigration law. They must be processed. Releasing them and expecting them to show up for their hearing has an 80% failure rate. The children can’t be in the cells. What do you do?

Sessions is only following orders. It’s an excuse that has been used in the past.

Whose orders? He took an oath to enforce the laws and protect the Constitution. THOSE are the orders he follows. You liberals should try to force yourself to understand that.

No, it most definitely IS NOT “a liberal tragedy.”

It most definitely is and you are here, NOW, making that very point. How? By arguing that just because people show up at our border, cross illegally, they deserve sanctuary and residency. This is EXACTLY why they keep coming; it’s a gimme. Violate the border, get picked up, get fed, get released. Live off of taxpayer subsidies. This is precisely that keeps them coming. Now, Trump has to be the bad guy and enforce the law, since liberals have blocked border security for so long. Yes, it IS a liberal tragedy.

Too many children of widely varying ages, thrown together without the watchful protection of loving parents is a recipe for abusive situations.

Excuse me, did you say “loving parents”? Would these be the same parents that dragged their kids across Mexico, risking murder, rape and death, then across the US border into uncertain circumstances? Loving, you say?

@Randy:

@Greg: Have you seen the videos of the quarters these children are living under?

No, he hasn’t and NO, he doesn’t want to. Better to just take the liberal propaganda as fact. Besides, looking at forbidden website and programs could get you sent to a reeducation camp.

You liberals started this problem with your open border policies, now as usual, you cry and blame someone else.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! That’s why every time we get close to a solution (even a bad one, like in 2007) liberals crater the deal. The blame is the whole point. It’s just worn thin now is all.

: Well, if liberals just stop obstructing those who are trying to resolve problems, it would be a major event!

Don’t hold your breath; that will inevitably lead to their imprisonment.

@Deplorable Me, #69:

Your point was 5 in a space for 4, as if that was some horrific travesty.

No, that was not the point. The point was that Trump’s policy has pushed our facilities for holding undocumented children beyond capacity in a period of only 6 weeks. Keep it up for 6 months, and you’re going to have internment camps, and more incarcerated parents on hold awaiting legal processing than you know what to do with—all being provided with food, shelter, and medical care at taxpayer expense. This is one of the reasons why the Obama Administration prioritized who they focused on retaining in custody and processing for deportation.

Which quadrant of Carlo M. Cipolla’s famous diagram do most Trump supporters fall into? Inquiring minds want to know.

@Greg:

No, that was not the point. The point was that Trump’s policy has pushed our facilities for for holding undocumented children beyond capacity in a period of only 6 weeks.

Hmmm… that’s not what you said. However, if the word that making it to the border does not automatically make one an honored guest of the United States taxpayer, the flow will continue to shrink. The solution YOU favor will only increase and continue illegal immigration, which is the left’s goal.

This is one of the reasons why the Obama Administration prioritized who they focused on retaining in custody and processing for deportation.

That is the OPPOSITE of what the Obama regime was doing. Their program was “catch and release”, which resulted in the millions and millions of illegal immigrants we have an have no idea where they are. Trump is detaining and processing for deportation.

Liberals create the problems, then they make them worse. You don’t care one whit about a single illegal immigrant except for what political use can be made of them.

You never answered; what do you do? What is your suggestion?

That is the OPPOSITE of what the Obama regime was doing. Their program was “catch and release”, which resulted in the millions and millions of illegal immigrants we have an have no idea where they are.

According to whom? Some FOX News airhead, or Rush Limbaugh?

Here’s an actual comparison of Obama’s approach, vs. Trump’s.

Trump’s “priority list” essentially involves no prioritization at all, since it doesn’t differentiate between criminal offences; just being here is itself considered a criminal act:

a) have been convicted of any criminal offense
b) have been charged with any criminal offense
c) have committed acts that constitute a chargeable criminal offense
d) have willfully committed fraud in any official matter before a government agency
e) have abused public benefits programs
f) have final orders of removal
g) are otherwise considered a public safety or national security risk by an immigration officer

Items (b) and (c)? You’re charged, or have committed a chargeable act, when you’re taken into custody. That effectively eliminates any prioritization. You’re going to lock up everybody.

It’s a stupid approach, which will have stupid consequences. As the escalating numbers show, it will quickly choke the system with those whose presence has the least negative effect, making it increasingly difficult to deal with those who actually do pose a serious danger. It makes every undocumented adult taken into custody a prisoner at a cost to the taxpayer, and shifts the cost of caring for their children to the taxpayer as well.

@Greg: The photos of children in cages came from 2015 the Barry era, now http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/06/15/photos-inside-shelter-for-illegal-alien-children-separated-from-parents/
It doesnt look like a concentration camp
Can you find these heartless camps your media is lying about?

@Greg:

Items (b) and (c)? You’re charged, or have committed a chargeable act, when you’re taken into custody. That effectively eliminates any prioritization. You’re going to lock up everybody.

Well, what is the problem with that?

Putting illegal immigrants in detention then determining their immigration status works much better than releasing them and losing them forever (or until they commit some crime), as Obama has done. Plus, we can no longer rely on sanctuary cities to cooperate with ICE to get the criminal illegal immigrants out of the country, so they have to be removed upon entry. Nice little mess you liberals have created, huh?

It makes every undocumented adult taken into custody a prisoner at a cost to the taxpayer, and shifts the cost of caring for their children to the taxpayer as well.

Yeah, that’s what your liberal immigration policies of ignoring immigration law and failing to keep illegal immigrants out costs.

By the way, I never saw your suggestion of how it should be done better. An oversight, I’m sure.

@Kitt: Well, that was OK… then. Now, it’s a whole different set of morals.

Well, what is the problem with that?

The problem with that is what was just mentioned in the last paragraph of #72. It’s set to become a very big problem, even if you don’t give a doodly damn about the ethics of the policy.

Yeah, that’s what your liberal immigration policies of ignoring immigration law and failing to keep illegal immigrants out costs.

Trump’s policies will be the cause of any consequences that result from them. If he throws the entire system into a state of gridlock, he’s not going to get away with blaming it all on Barack Obama. You may think a majority of Americans are stupid enough to be convinced otherwise, but you’re wrong.

@Greg:

As the escalating numbers show, it will quickly choke the system with those whose presence has the least negative effect, making it increasingly difficult to deal with those who actually do pose a serious danger.

YOUR problem is that you assume Obama is still President and ignoring immigration law, a tempting lure to illegal immigrants. When Trump first took office, his rhetoric about the border and immigration enforcement forced the bottom to fall out of illegal immigration. Once the illegal immigrants learned the same liberal federal judges were on the bench, the same enforcement was in place, the numbers grew again. Now, Trump is enforcing the laws, following the rules and illegal immigrants are not just waltzing in and heading for the interior. They are being detained and processed AT THE BORDER and they are not automatically being granted entry.

No, the numbers won’t continue to rise; they will drop again due to enforcement at the border. It is liberal open border policies that causes illegal immigration and is causing the separation of families.

Trump’s policies will be the cause of any consequences that result from them.

Nope. Wrong again. It is liberal law which was intended to hamstring enforcement and all but mandate the illegal immigrants be allowed in to disappear and never show up for their hearings. I suggest you read this. You should hurry before you make any more stupid statements. You should also stop believing liberal propaganda. The only Trump policy at play here is the policy of following the law. While one foreign to liberals, it happens to be a good policy.

@Deplorable Me, #76:

When Trump first took office, his rhetoric about the border and immigration enforcement forced the bottom to fall out of illegal immigration.

If that were truly the case, we wouldn’t have locked up an additional 2,000 undocumented children over the course of the past 6 weeks.

Do you think they’re catching everyone? Now that there’s no prioritization, the Trump administration is filling up our detention facilities with “the lowest-hanging fruit.” Mothers and young families with toddlers in tow are easiest to catch. Why focus on the more likely criminals when you can meet Trump’s quota by ambushing kids and their moms during nap time?

I know stupid when I see it, and I’ve been seeing a lot of it lately. Trump’s elimination of Obama’s prioritization policy is a good example. But his supporters will never think this through and figure it out for themselves. He could shoot a man on Fifth Avenue, you know.

Your linked National Review article? I didn’t get past the subtitle before I detected deception:

The Truth about Separating Kids
Some economic migrants are using children as chits, but the problem is fixable — if Congress acts

They came here and didn’t leave their children behind. Families are not composed of parents and their chits. Nor does adding the word “some” make the writer’s intentions honest. Congress doesn’t need to act if the number is so small as to be insignificant. The writer is creating a false impression that it isn’t. This is a propaganda technique.

Then we’ve got this horseshit paragraph. If it were lying in a field, it would be drawing flies:

The Trump administration isn’t changing the rules that pertain to separating an adult from the child. Those remain the same. Separation happens only if officials find that the adult is falsely claiming to be the child’s parent, or is a threat to the child, or is put into criminal proceedings.

They sure as hell have changed the rules. That final clause, “or is put into criminal proceedings,” is the one that hides the lie. The change is that 100 percent of undocumented aliens caught crossing the border are being “put into criminal proceedings.” That’s the zero tolerance policy that Jeff Sessions has put into effect.

Ask me why I don’t believe a damn thing this administration or its media tools say. I’ll mention something like the lie above.

@Greg: Actually for once Greg is right. illegal immigration slowed down, but then the liberal judges started making law and it sped up again.

@Randy: I think a short quarantine is good, these kids get medical care and taught how to use a flushing toilet and shower, english lessons, those that are not caught are spreading diseases we have long nearly eliminated from our population. More judges were sent to the immigration courts to help speed the processing. I hope DNA tests are done to prove these are not child traffickers.

@Greg:You didn’t bother to read the link, did you?

If that were truly the case, we wouldn’t have locked up an additional 2,000 undocumented children over the course of the past 6 weeks.

Well, it WAS truly the case. In the interim, they’ve been assured if they just get to the border with a kiddie, they will, as in days past, be let in on their honor that they will appear for their court date. Well, that ain’t the deal no more. NOW, they go into detention so it can be determined if they have a record or if there is any reason for them to receive asylum. When that happens, the liberal laws, intended to act as an excuse for releasing them (after which they never are heard from again) mandates the children are separated. The Flores Consent Decree; read about it. The 9th Circus Court even played a part. YOUR mess; not Trump’s.

Do you think they’re catching everyone? Now that there’s no prioritization, the Trump administration is filling up our detention facilities with “the lowest-hanging fruit.”

You sure are worried about the best use of our resources to catch illegal immigrants all of a sudden. Or, are you merely worried the new dedication to enforcing the laws is going to result in reduced illegal immigration and some of you goddamn liberals might have to mow your own yards? And, you won’t have so many to dupe into voting for the liberals no citizens want?

I know stupid when I see it

You must; you vote for it every time it’s on the ballot and you believe it every time CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS or NBC report it to you.

@Deplorable Me, #80:

This is why I’m thinking many Trump supporters belong in one of the bottom two quadrants of Cipolla’s diagram.

Democratic Party strategists recently fell victim to Cipolla’s First Law. Republican strategists understand it all too well. Trump weaponized it.

June 17, 2018 — ‘America is better than this’: What a doctor saw in a Texas shelter for migrant children

Well, it was better than this. It’s now under new management.

@Greg: I dont believe psychiatrists know a damn thing, seems about every school shooter was under their “care” and drugs add more than a few mass shooters to the list. He assumed he knew what was wrong with the child, now under 3 years old was a toy she was playing with taken was she bit or hit by another kid or her hair pulled? Those situations happen often in daycare. She seemed to be the only one to garner his attention was she the only child that missed mommy? She is fed, clean, sheltered and her health looked after, much better than a run across a desert, riddled with poisonous snakes, drug runners and no shelter from cold nights and blistering hot days. The democrats turned children into passage chits, come with a kid get released kidnap someones kid and go for the border, get released and vanish what happens to the kid?
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-human-trafficking-20180130-story.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/84-children-rescued-120-human-traffickers-arrested-across-u-s-n812156
https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/04/us/sex-trafficking-sting/index.html I know the sources are fake news outlets.

The Trump administration would do well to back off on this one. You’d think they would at least have the political sense to keep mothers they’ve taken into custody together with their children.

Faith Leaders Oppose Trump’s Immigration Policy Of Separating Children From Parents

@Greg: Good thing the democrats are deaf to these pleas the have no intention of letting this go before the election babies can cry.

Yep. They’re not going to be pulling their punches, either. No quarter will be given. They’re going to play Trump’s game better than Trump can play it, having seen last election what happened when they didn’t.

@Greg: Not a game he is unfamiliar with, but he will make sure the children are cared for not like the last admin who just let anyone walk away with a child never keeping track. Housing unaccompanied in kennel like conditions. We will continue to beg the democrats to help solve the crisis, seems we have the aces.
These stories are out there we will not forget to highlight them https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jan/28/obama-administration-delivered-illegal-immigrant-c/
Please Democrats help the children.

@Greg:

The Trump administration would do well to back off on this one.

You’ve never offered your alternative. Scared?

They’re going to play Trump’s game better than Trump can play it, having seen last election what happened when they didn’t.

No one plays the propaganda game better than leftists. However, what you never take into account is that faith and trust in the leftist, lying, fake news media is eroding. Some people (not you, but SOME people) don’t like to be lied to.

@kitt: You got Steven Miller. The more guys like him and Giulliani hold sway the worse it will be for Repubs hopes of holding Congress. There is little question Dem. long game is impeachment.

@Richard Wheeler: They are not running for office, how many average voters pay attention to presidential advisors and would let that sway their vote for their house or senate choice? Ben Rhodes, President Obama’s deputy national security adviser, spent all eight years in the West Wing after the FBI denied him even an interim security clearance, who knew?
My suggestion is always check candidates and vote the lesser of 2 evils not partyline sheeple.
You can see by Gregs comment he couldnt care less about the kids separated from their parents, he just wants impeachment, not taking into account Trump has to do something that would actually be an impeachable offense, there must be proof.
So did you read any of the IG report, outside of the conclusion?

@Deplorable Me, #88:

You’ve never offered your alternative. Scared?

Obama’s approach was a humane alternative. In spite of a more humane approach, illegal immigration declined on his watch, while deportations increased. Over the course of Obama’s 8 years in office, the nation’s total undocumented population declined by over 3 percent. He was prioritizing deportation to focus on undesirable elements, rather than randomly deporting whoever they could catch. Over his 8 years in office, violent crime declined by 16 percent.

Obama’s Final Numbers

An even better alternative would have been meaningful immigration reform, but congressional republicans opposed every attempt at that. With majorities in the House, the Senate, and the White House, they still haven’t managed to come up with an acceptable solution. Trump won’t allow reasonable compromise.

Why should I be scared? If republicans don’t snap out of it, we’re going to club them over the heads with this in the next two elections. If that gets boring, we’ll switch off to their abysmal failure in the healthcare department. They deliberately broke the ACA, but have no intelligent alternatives; millions are about to lose their health insurance. Or we might just focus on Trump administration corruption and their Washington swamp creature preserve.

Republicans have some serious problems, nearly all of their own making.

@Greg: You do not care about the children, you dont care about reform, no democrat does., Where was the outrage when kids were locked in trailers with no heat while working 12 hours injured or not on a chicken farm because Obamas admin was handing out unaccompanied kids like candy to perverts? You can take the ” its the Republicans” angle an cram it, take the beam out of your own eye, contact your rep and demand they get to work with the majority and get a veto proof majority to solve this. Else STFU
Hows San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz doing with the corruption investigation?
Is she still using pallets of aid as a prop to claim there is’nt enough, still getting her wardrobe from CNN?
Dont pull any punches now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvPHgEkoeto

@Greg: As I anticipated, your solution is open borders. Catch and release. The only reason Obama’s numbers went down was because he kept the economy in worse condition than Mexico’s. All of his stats are bogus.

@kitt: Didn’t read the 500 pages–you think voters will? I’ll add Ann Coulter and Alex Jones–and hell yes Steve Bannon to those that would be better saying less. The 5 mentioned so far are not MSM but are very loud.
For the record I’d like to hear what agent Stryck sic has to say—would expect Wray to fire him.

STFU? aren’t you getting testy—sounding very Trumpist Kitt

The border kids are Trump’s problem–he can solve the inhumane treatment with the wave of his hand–as easy as the candy -er pardons he’s handing out and apparently will continue with..

That San Juan mayor was right on—did you like video of DT throwing TP to the citizens?–typical

@kitt, #92:

You do not care about the children, you don’t care about reform, no democrat does.

Apparently Trump’s followers, like their Leader, have the power to read minds and know the true intentions of others within the first minute. I will speak for myself, thank you very much.

Where was the outrage when kids were locked in trailers with no heat while working 12 hours injured or not on a chicken farm because Obamas admin was handing out unaccompanied kids like candy to perverts?

That doesn’t even warrant a response.

Hows San Juan Mayor Carmen Yulín Cruz doing with the corruption investigation?

Did you see where Puerto Rico’s Hurricane Maria death count has been raised from the official total of 64 to over 4,000? Multiple studies have come to similar conclusions. Possibly the Mayor of San Juan has a few legitimate complaints.

@Deplorable Bill, #93:

They aren’t his stats. They are independently compiled statistics about him.

Trump said the job report numbers were totally phony, until the month following his own inauguration. Suddenly they became entirely valid and something he takes credit for and brags about. Not a thing changed about the computational methodology.

91 consecutive months of job growth, through last month… Remind me how long Trump has been in office. Job growth actually slowed during Trump’s first year.

@rich wheeler: Is that the San Juan mayor who is facing criminal charges?

@Greg: Trump VERY selective about which polls he likes–not many.

Randy FBI has filed no charges against her and does not comment on ongoing investigations. Fox News; on the other hand , is making unsubstantiated claims..
Would you clarify YOUR statement.

@rich wheeler: So Rich, if Trump is under investigation, he is guilty, but a mayor of San Jaun, PR who lied on national television about not getting supplies from the federal government which just happened to be piled high behind her and who is under investigation by the FBI is innocent in your eyes?

@rich wheeler: I think you mean that the FBI does not publicly discuss on going investigations since Comey and McCabe are gone and many others are being recommended for criminal investigations. Isn’t that right?