From Darryl Cooper @MartyrMade
I think I’ve had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself. 1/xMost believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they’ll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they’re not particularly attached to them. 2/xHere are the facts – actual, confirmed facts – that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan’s July 2016 memo, etc). 3/xThese are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them. 4/x
Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew. 5/xThis was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff – who were on TV saying they’d seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn’t – all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake. 6/xAt first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn’t make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov’t when it didn’t happen. 7/xWe know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele’s source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/xTrump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution – agencies, the press, Congress, academia – gaslit them for another year. 9/xWorse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov’t destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin. 10/x
The rest is here
Tucker covered the same thread.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/tucker-carlson-picks-up-the-issue-of-2020-election-fraud/
The people who believe and act on Trump’s lies aren’t actually conservatives. Trump’s agenda was never truly conservative.
He’s not a traditional conservative any more than he’s a patriot, or a supporter of the Constitution, or a supporter of the rule of law, or a supporter of democracy, or a practicing Christian. The “conservative” label is just one more thing Trump stole.
No one has yet presented a shred of credible evidence of ANY significant level of voter fraud or election irregularities. They’ve had every opportunity to do so.
The irregularities that Trump and his own supporters have been responsible for are totally obvious. The s.o.b. attempted to overturn the result of our constitutional democratic election process, and would do it again if he got half a chance.
What you mean greggie is “No one has yet presented a shred of credible evidence of ANY significant level of voter fraud or election irregularities.” that would change your mind. First, believing would mean you have been lied to by people in the highest levels. Also, you would also have to believe that the criminals who performed the fraud also is responsible for the 8% inflation, disastrous economy and dangerous foreign policy. You would also have to believe that you knew and supported it.
“No one has yet presented a shred of credible evidence of ANY significant level of voter fraud or election irregularities. They’ve had every opportunity to do so.” Well, the situation in Georgia has been presented to you and you never have an explanation for it. That’s pretty credible. They DID fake a water main leak. They DID run off all the observers. They DID pull cases of votes from under tables where they were hidden. They DID produce a spike in Biden votes (which mysteriously coincided with spikes in other key states).
You could provide your evidence this is all false. You never have. No one has. All you do is just say, “It’s not credible. There was no fraud.” and the LIARS that gave us collusion, quid pro quo, golden showers, bounties on soldiers and hundreds of other lies expect to be believed. They (you) don’t deserve to be believed and you aren’t believed.
The election was fraudulent and everyone knows it. It’s just that some find it objectionable and some, like you, embrace it as the only way to win.
Quote:The people who believe and act on Trump’s lies aren’t actually conservatives. Trump’s agenda was never truly conservative.
He’s not a traditional conservative any more than he’s a patriot, or a supporter of the Constitution, or a supporter of the rule of law, or a supporter of democracy, or a practicing Christian. The “conservative” label is just one more thing Trump stole.
There is no way you can prove Biden won legally.
He won in accordance with the nation’s lawful constitutional process. EVERY state’s election result was certified to be accurate and legitimate by it’s lawfully authorized state official; EVERY official recount that was conducted affirmed the original result; the electoral college count was an accurate reflection of those results in EVERY case, and the electoral vote was publicly tabulated, presented, and affirmed in Congress. THAT IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS THAT EXISTS. NO OTHER PROOF IS REQUIRED, NOR EVEN POSSIBLE. ANY DEVIATION FROM THAT PROCESS WOULD BE UNLAWFUL.
That most definitely includes the deliberate effort of a riled-up mob to stop the final step of the process because they don’t happen to like the outcome.
“He won in accordance with the nation’s lawful constitutional process.”
Really? And where do you find in the U.S. Constitution the authority for governors, secretaries of state or election administrators to change election law? I’m sure you have the answer to that being the Constitutional scholar you seem to think you are, right?
When you have nothing to hide, you hide nothing, but there are a number of state officials that do not want the November 2020 election to be looked into.
Keep your Chinese election tactics in China, Comrade Greggie.
Considering the “Stolen or Rigged Election” was a catalyst of turning many normally law abiding citizens into an angry and vicious insurrectionist mob, perhaps investigating the drivers of that occurrence might open more doors to the election itself-if of course, those who are wailing “stolen election” have nothing to hide.
“Considering the “Stolen or Rigged Election” was a catalyst of turning many normally law abiding citizens into an angry and vicious insurrectionist mob, perhaps investigating the drivers of that occurrence might open more doors to the election itself-if of course, those who are wailing “stolen election” have nothing to hide.”
You seem to have forgotten that it was those on the left that became a “angry and vicious insurrectionist” mob long before Jan. 6, 2021. B(urn), L(oot) and M(urder), along with their AntiFa friends were destroying government buildings almost a year earlier.
How many police officers were injured, or murdered, during the left’s summer of “love?” How much damage did BLM/AntiFa create? Who ignored David Dorn’s murder?
Take your lies to PuffingtonPost where most of the LIV left hangs out.
The Trump Proud Boys and other “stand by” white supremist groups who were bussed in to turn peaceful and justified protest into riots has nothing to do with either the orchestrated Trump supporting insurrectionist mob or why Republicans are doing all they can to keep us from knowing the facts.
And I should do this because some nonsensical batshit crazy Trump cultist tells be to?
Aside from the fact you are a racist that loves to categorize everything in terms of race, what makes the Proud Boys “white supremacist”? Provide some of their white supremacist doctrines.
While you are at it, provide the evidence they turn otherwise “peaceful and justified protest” into a riot. Go ahead.
”Considering the “Stolen or Rigged Election” was a catalyst of turning many normally law abiding citizens into an angry and vicious insurrectionist mob”
Sounds like you are describing the whiny, crybaby, sore losers of 2016.
Why did Democrats stage a phony “water main break” in State Farm Arena in Atlanta? You could begin by answering that one; Greg damn sure can’t/won’t.
Surely you understand that federal elections are administered by state and local governments? Individual states make and administer the procedural laws governing the local conduct of national elections. State officials are ALSO responsible for making changes in those procedures necessary to address any unexpected circumstances that could adversely affect the election process—a serious pandemic, for example.
Federal courts properly intervene whenever state law or policy changes run afoul of federal law and the intent of the U.S. Constitution.
Well, your goddamn Democrats don’t understand that or else they wouldn’t be trying to federalize the fraud they employed in 2020.
Staging a phony water main break to get rid of observers is not written into election law anywhere, much less just Georgia.
“Surely you understand that federal elections are administered by state and local governments? Individual states make and administer the procedural laws governing the local conduct of national elections.”
It is clear you have no concept of the difference between legislation and administration. But then, you’ve proven multiple times that you do not have a clear understanding of how elections are managed.
“Federal courts properly intervene whenever state law or policy changes run afoul of federal law and the intent of the U.S. Constitution.”
Again, you show your absolute stupidity. The federal courts did not intervene. Georgia being one major example where a state official cut a deal with a loser named Stacy Abrams called a “consent decree.”
But please, continue to give more examples of just how big an idiot you are, Comrade Greggie.
Do you realize that you haven’t actually said a damn thing?
comrade greggy poo: YOU are one flaming COMMUNIST. America you hate-just leave. the only two countries that would take you are iran and n. korea. enjoy your life there.
Do you realize a taunt like “greggy poo” makes you sound either retarded or ten years old?
Election fraud provided the numbers used to carry out the “process”. It’s not the election process that is at fault, but the methods the Democrats used to provide fraudulent numbers of votes for the idiot Biden.
Until the accusations are dispelled, this is the reality. BECAUSE you will not address the accusations (based on solid, credible, factual evidence) but simply deny them is cause enough to suspect fraud. After all, the Democrats have PROVEN themselves to be the most incredulous, corrupt, and untrustworthy people in our nation, aligned with violent Marxists.
NONE of the endless accusations of a stolen election have been backed up with credible supporting evidence. NONE. When there’s no credible evidence that a thing happened, it’s irrational to insist that it must have because no one has produced proof that it didn’t.
Would it be rational to believe that the Loch Ness monster must exist because no one has conclusively proved that it doesn’t? No. That isn’t how logic works.
Actually, none have been disputed. All are credible. When you suspect jnown liars (Democrats) of fraud, it is credible unless proven otherwise.
NONE were credible. Trump and his tools (or fools, as the case may be) filed 86 separate lawsuits in multiple states alleging assorted election irregularities. EVERY CASE WAS EITHER DISMISSED FOR LACK OF MERIT, WITHDRAWN, OR RULED AGAINST AFTER BEING GIVEN A FULL HEARING IN COURT. Several then went on to appeals, where they also flopped.
Judges who handled the cases had been appointed by both republicans and democrats. Two of the judges were appointed by Trump himself.
That’s how “credible” the allegations were. Maybe people should look up and compare the definitions of “credible” and “credulous”.
If they weren’t credible, someone somewhere would prove them false. None have. Anywhere. All any of you do is simply say, “Not credible” which, sadly, is not credible. Not credible mainly because of the left’s long, long history of lying and false accusations.
So, to reiterate over and over and over, the fact you can’t/won’t provide an answer to even the most basic of questions about the election simply reinforces the suspicions. You are trying to hide the truth instead of addressing the issues. You can’t hide it and the facts are coming through. The result, unfortunately, won’t be the resumption of the wildly effective and successful Trump administration but will reinforce the need for strengthening election integrity against the will of Democrats who crave fraud.
“NONE of the endless accusations of a stolen election have been backed up with credible supporting evidence. NONE.”
Yes they have. You are a partisan hack who simply wants Democrat Totalitarian rule, and nothing else.
There was NO EVIDENCE of Russian collusion. Ignore the face-saving pivot to using irrelevant words like “russian interference”.
The move to smear Trump with a non-existent scandal worked: even in the face of facts, rubes like you still believe it.
Now, with real evidence, and real questions, you think you can just parrot “no evidence” after the coup your supported for years?
No.
I think you guys at the FBI are forgetting who you serve, and your personal beliefs don’t mean anything in the face of democracy.
Your 20th Century World is gone. Get with the times.
Hey, Comrade Greggie, have you seen the news coming out of Cuba? You and your Chinese overlords better take note. The Cubans are pissed and it ain’t what the Oval Office is claiming it is; it ain’t about vaccines.
So those Cubans who are tired of living under your failed system of Socialism/Communism are taking to the streets, shouting LIBERTAD, waving the AMERICAN FLAG. And some of the Cuban police are joining the protesters. VIVA CUBA, VIVA LIBERTAD.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_WCaIZVUAE4Jc0?format=jpg&name=900×900
So those Cubans who are tired of living under your failed system…”
Unlike you, I’m sure they know the difference between progressive social programs and socialism.
People like Trump and his cronies having their way was what originally made the Cuban people turn to Fidel Castro.
Biden has cronies. Biden had six billion dollars to have him installed, billions of funds from Big corporations and lobbyists.
Biden is a crony capitalist.
Trump is not.
As usual, the very weak psyop plan to accuse Trump of what Democrats are openly doing just doesn’t have any punch, comrade.
Also, Cuban Americans know the signs of totalitarian takeover, and they’ve been warning us for years.
Rigged elections, toppling statues, replacing current police with Federal Storm troopers: this is what an elected totalitarian dictatorships do.
That’s you.
And the idiot Biden administration cannot even admit that the Cuban people are rising up against the privations of a totalitarian socialist regime; they want to blame it on COVID.
“a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media. ”
The actual recipe for a third world totalitarian state.
I’ve always assumed that greg works for the CCP, but now I think he works for the FBI.
They want this.
Currently the difference is miniscule.
The globalists have decided how best to govern us, and thus made a false enemy in Donald Trump.
Trump is, clearly, one of the best Presidents of all time…when looking at objective truth and not partisan blather.
Biden would have killed millions leaving the country open, and would not have got a vaccine so fast.
Biden is getting people killed now, and resuming global war, global debt, Chinese dominance, buying black voters, etc.
He’s a disaster, as any thinking American knew.
At least he’s not a real president.
You may be onto something. Many Soros employees moonlight for the FBI because closely monitoring Floopingaces.com is such a high priority these days.
I hear Soros is pulling employees away from Fox, Newsmax, and GatewayPundit and sending them here to insure nothing is missed.
Didn’t get your job at Amazon back, did you?
I wouldn’t hire you either.
I love when I rattle my zipper and come drooling, AJ.
Good boy.
Greg calls for help, I’m sure.
And you obviously never studied how thorough tyrannies are at hunting down “dissenters”.
Mao is a good place to start, since you want China-in-America.
biden is illegitimate and should be removed from office immediately. Everything the regime has done since 12:00 pm January 20, 2021 is null and void…
80 million votes. Sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqLOYEtJ3UI
Easy to see why he’s such a prolific speaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsLqp9jXKW4
So why do they want to get rid of the filibuster? Something Dems used over and over against Trump. Well….
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/07/11/did-rep-clyburn-just-admit-dems-cant-win-the-2022-election-without-rigging-it-n409335
Democrats simply have to lie to be relevant.
Fact check: Untethered to reality, Trump lies over and over about the 2020 election at CPAC”
Facts ARE NOT a matter of opinion. Believing lies DOES NOT make them true. Donald Trump is demonstrably an incorrigible LIAR. The lies he tells are DANGEROUS. By design, they erode faith in our constitutional democracy. The consequences of believing them already includes a body count. It’s your own choice whether or not to be his dupe. For that choice, you are personally responsible.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/12/politics/fact-check-trump-cpac-election-lies/index.html
CNN “fact checks” Trump! That’s hilarious! CNN is just about the greatest propagator of lies in the country and among the liberal media, that competition is highly competitive.
“CNN is just about the greatest propagator of lies…”
That would ALSO be a lie.
No, all they do is lie, unless they are burying a story altogether.
*yawn*
Your rhetoric has never weaker, Greg.
You, your organization, and your party have stolen our democracy.
Trump is a real President.
Biden is not.
Your Blue Church, maintaining 20th Century “good opinion” is gone.
You have no authority.
Oh Greg just prove how little intelligence you have, CNN really you cant be serious. Where are all the russians associated with Trump, do they still guest spot Avanatti and Stormy? Bwahahahaa wheeze hahaha. Wasnt he going to run for President oh Gawd my sides hurt brother.
Greg its again a Constitutional Republic quit listening to liberals then ignorantly repeating like a lemming over the cliff.
Swalwell not only bang bang with fang fang but half naked on a camel in Qtar.
The swarthy camel photo was taken during a March trip to the Persian Gulf nation that was paid for by the U.S.-Qatar Business Council, a trade group, and posted to a now-deleted Instagram account belonging to the wife of fellow Democratic Rep. Ruben Gallego of Arizona, as Business Insider has discovered.
Sorry, the “smear Trump” psyop is played out.
As Trump said, “they’re not coming for me, they’re coming for you.”
Trump supports Constitution democracy.
Those who support law-changes, Zucks Bucks, and rigged voting machines do not.
You.
You false god has failed you.