If you’ve ever read Lord of the Flies, The Rise and the Fall of the Third Reich or 1984, you understand the threat to life and limb that unrestrained power can be. Lord Acton distilled the danger down to a simple phrase: “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
Our Founding Fathers knew that, which is why they crafted for us the greatest document ever written by men. The Constitution they gave us had built into it a variety of checks and balances on government or any branch of government accumulating too much power. They gave us the Connecticut Compromise, which balanced representation between large and small states, with two Senators elected from each state and Congressmen being elected based on population. They gave us the Legislature which passes laws and the Executive which implements them. And most of all, they gave us the Massachusetts Compromise, which created the ultimate check on government power, the Bill of Rights, an explicit articulation of individual rights that could not be infringed upon by government. Finally, in what was likely the most groundbreaking element of any constitution ever written, the Founding Fathers explicitly limited the powers of the government with the 9th and 10th Amendments, the former stating that the enumeration of certain rights did not preclude the existence of others not addressed, while the latter stated that the federal government had only those powers given and any not given to it were reserved for states or the people.
Extraordinary students of history and men, Madison, Adams, Franklin, et al. understood the nature of man and built a Constitution specifically crafted to counter that nature. It wasn’t a perfect document – and had a tool for addressing imperfections built into it – but it largely worked well for 233 years and allowed the United States to develop into the strongest and most powerful nation in the history of mankind.
Specifically their Constitution worked because it was – by design – insulated from the passions of men. The staggered six-year terms of the Senate was to balance out the biennial elections in the House – and Senators were appointed by states while Congressmen were elected by the people. Presidents were elected every four years and Justices were appointed for life. And the government was explicitly limited to what they could do.
Incredibly, while they knew nothing about cars or televisions or mobile phones or the Internet, the mechanisms they put in place largely survived as the march of time progressed. But for all of their familiarity with the dark sides of man’s nature, even the Founding Fathers, possibly the greatest assembly of men to ever come together in history, couldn’t foresee the darkness that lay ahead with the Democrat party of the 21st century.
Today America sits and watches as Democrats essentially send the Constitution through the shredder. Emboldened by a pusillanimous Supreme Court, Democrats today – with HR 1 – seek to undermine the very foundation upon which that Constitution is based: voting integrity by the governed. They seek to codify arrangements that are by their very nature intended to eviscerate the notion of vote integrity. Voter ID: Eliminated. Mail-in voting: Mandated. Maintenance of accurate voter rolls: Outlawed. Same day registration: Required. Ballot harvesting: Allowed. These and much more are to be codified by HR 1, with the goal of giving Democrats end to end control over voting in the United States. Once in control of voting they will control every branch and every element of the federal government in perpetuity. And given that they back a regulatory state that never met a freedom it didn’t want to regulate, they will control every aspect of the lives of formerly free Americans.
And that will be the end of America as we know it. Entrepreneurial innovation? Gone unless the mission furthers the green or “justice” themes of Democrats. Educational freedom? Access to and success within will be predicated on a willingness to muzzle any thoughts or words that fall outside whatever is currently deemed as acceptable. Virtually everything, from sports to medicine to science to literature to media to the Internet to your very job, will become nothing more than vehicles for establishing one’s acquiescence to the left’s diktats, whether as regulated by Democrats or enforced by their fellow travelers seemingly everywhere from academia, the media and increasingly, big business.
For more than two centuries Americans suffered through periods of government overreach, incompetence, malice and outright failure because they understood that they had the ultimate hand in dictating how government is run and that they would have the opportunity to make a change for the better via the voting booth. Voting and elections were chaotic, exasperating and sometimes frustrating, but we largely accepted them because they were seen as a legitimate reflection of the public’s voice.
With HR 1 the Democrats are disemboweling election integrity, sullying the sanctity of the voting booth and most importantly, undermining Americans’ confidence that they control their own government and by extension, their own destinies. The Constitution works only because people have confidence in its workings and their role in it. Sadly, Democrats may find out too late that a citizenry who no longer have confidence that their government answers to them may decide to defy that government and seek to establish their own order. It would be apropos – albeit sad for the world – if the very schemes Democrats put in place to try and guarantee their grip on power over a citizenry they disdain were the very schemes that caused that same citizenry to overthrow the system Democrats perverted to control them in the first place and replaced it with something one might see on an unnamed island in the South Pacific… My guess is the party worried about mean tweets, racist pancake syrup and offensive children’s books won’t thrive under the new system.
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@Deplorable Me, #50:
I’ve seen no valid examples at all suggesting that fraud occurred at the levels Donald Trump claims—nor have the election officials of 50 states who certified their results, or over 60 individual judges who reviewed the lawsuits filed in connection with the claims. BECAUSE IT DIDN”T HAPPEN.
If Biden is so stupid, and democrats are so incompetent, how did Biden’s COVID relief bill make it through Congress essentially unchanged, when democrats have control of the Senate by such an absurdly narrow margin? And why do 70 percent of the public approve of its passage?
Why did conservative media spend the weeks leading up to the bill’s passage focusing on largely imaginary b.s. like Mr. Potato Head, several Dr. Seuss books pulled from print, and other essentially irrelevant phony outrage stories?
@Greg:
Funny how you’re admitting fraud occurred, but using the weak “on the levels Donald Trump claims”.
You’re all but admitting it, idiot.
Without an investigation, any thinking American has no need to regard this past election as legitimate.
I’d expect the same of you.
Biden won nothing.
BLUE ANON:
– a network of left-wing influencers, which includes mainstream media journalists and Democrats, who invent absolutely nonsensical conspiracy theories that bear no semblance with reality but is used by establishment democrats to keep the flock together.
A loosely organized network for Democrat voters, politicians and media personalities who spread left-wing conspiracy theories. Blue Anon adherents fervently believe that right-wing extremists are going to storm Capitol Hill any day now and “remove” lawmakers from office, hence the need for the deployment of thousands of National Guard stationed at the US Capitol.
@Greg:
It is BECAUSE he is such an idiot that it went through. When you are handing out money, it’s always pretty popular. Particularly since the aid to people (not the pork) could have been delivered in October, but Pelosi held it all up, I have no doubts there is much relief that some relief for the Democrat economic shutdowns is finally coming. It made it through “unchanged” because Republicans don’t have the votes for force changes. It made it through because corrupt Democrats used reconciliation to get it passed so they wouldn’t have to listen to all those pesky amendment proposals.
By the way, where is that $15 minimum wage that was promised? Hmmm? LIE much? Yep… the idiot Biden LIED about minimum wage. Lied about lots of things. Biggest lie of all… he WON. Massive and widespread fraud and you simply REFUSE to “see” it. Until you do and until it is addressed, Idiot Asterisk CCP Beijing Biden will NEVER be a legitimate president. NEVER.
The PROOF that election fraud was employed is HR1 itself. It was proposed BEFORE the 2020 election and before COVID. It was a roadmap to fraudulently stealing elections and they employed that roadmap in 2020. Now they want to make it federal law that cheating in elections is legal. Nothing in that bill secures the vote and EVERYTHING is susceptible to fraud… just like 2020.
The other-than-Democrat-propaganda-media covered all the waste and pork in the Bankrupt America Bill extensively. It’s how we knew about Pelosi’s porky Silicon Valley subway and the failed Democrat states’ bailouts, payments to illegal immigrants; all NOTHING to do with COVID or helping any citizens.
@Nathan Blue: I read where “Urban Dictionary” purged the definition of Blue Anon. I guess leftists are sensitive to having their ignorance exposed.
@Deplorable Me:
They did, but now it’s back.
Leftists accuse you of doing what they have been caught doing.
Every time.
@Nathan Blue:
You seem to have thrown a rock and ran.
How wealthy, educated, and degree of being white does one need to be in order to not be “weeded out” and “should never vote again” in which you say in your # 47 comment?
If, as you said “minorities and young people are more susceptible to massive amounts of propaganda, making their votes essentially fraudulent” , by what means do we disqualify (or “weed out”, as you say) these susceptible people and insure “they never vote again” because as you say, “their votes essentially fraudulent”?
I realize you are engulfed in propaganda and live in a fantasy world where you choose what is true and what is an illusion but you seem to have lost the dot connection of your very own fabrication.
How do we weed these voters out and still have a democracy?
How do we determine how politically knowledgeable, how wealthy, and how white voters must be in order to prevent this “fraudulence” you say their votes creates due to their misinformation which makes them susceptible?
And when we get to this purity voter level and someone or some group deems that “a one-party police state is achieved by that party and they will never lose an election again”, do we go in again and purge American voters we feel could benefit the other party (because the losing party deems the opposition uninform and accordingly, fraudulent)?
@Ronald J. Ward: # 2 comment.
That is absolutely correct and you denied it while advocating it and then admitted it.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Did Flopping Aces’ foremost rock thrower and runner actually just submit that comment?
Why do you support election fraud? Why do you oppose securing the vote? The answer is simply; you HAVE to DEPEND on it.
@Deplorable Me:
Nathan blurted out a different definition of election fraud that most people already knew but isn’t what the right has been telling us.
And he went further to say they should be weeded out and never vote again.
He goes further with an admission that unless we weed out and disenfranchise “minorities and young people (who) are more susceptible to massive amounts of propaganda, (which makes) their votes essentially fraudulent”, Republicans can never win again (essentially the same thing Trump admitted to).
So if your question to me of “Why do you support election fraud?” means “:why do you support allowing minorities and the young to vote (because their susceptibility to misinformation renders their vote fraudulent), my response would be that your reasoning and definition of election fraud is inconsistent with our democracy and our Constitution.
@Ronald J. Ward: No, the question means, “why do you support election fraud” and, as usual, you affirm you are all in for election fraud and blocking any attempt to secure the vote by evading the question.
You support it for the reason I put forth; you realize your ideology is not good for this nation and very few support it and the few want to RULE the majority. So, fraud is the only option.
@Deplorable Me:
Obviously you are again being the rodeo clown to distract from Nathan’s admission of purging minorities because he says they lack the knowledge of a competent vote and therefore their votes are fraudulent.
Nathan seems to be a big boy so perhaps he can speak for himself although his usual role seems to be to blather out ridiculous conspiracy theories and instructed unhinged talking points with no coherent reasoning.
I’m just curious as to how Nathan and the fluttering batshit crazies here suggest how we go about solving this problem he says of “minorities and young people are more susceptible to massive amounts of propaganda, making their votes essentially fraudulent”.
How do we, as Nathan explains a need of, “weed them out” so “they never vote again” to eliminate those that are ignorant or misinformed which he says is “essentially fraudulent”?
@Ronald J. Ward:
You took the bait as expected, and racialized it without any support beyond your delusional beliefs provided by your Blue Religion.
As for your ignorance on forms of tyranny, using propaganda to brainwash the poor and the young is not constitutional.
The electoral college is in place to prevent the situation that has festered in our country for decades.
We are a country of many cultures and backgrounds. Your Democrat Party, by the use of educational indoctrination, media, and entertainment, has thuggishly rammed a unwanted monoculture down the throats of our more vulnerable citizens.
That is not democracy.
The only proper way is a common standard for voting that is applied to every citizen equally. Weak people like you will misframe that as a group being disenfranchised.
Being the person of weak character that you are, knew you would bristle at my words.
The most telling part is what you can’t bring yourself to say. You know it is wrong to use poor people. you won’t engage in the idea of what propaganda really is.
If you lie to somebody about what is real and they make a decision based on that false information, their decision is fraudulent and not legitimate.
Exactly what Democrats are pushing against Republicans in the way of cancel culture.
I agree simple standards should be in place to weed out those who are voting based on wrongful information… the way they have always been.
Your party has destroyed the Republic because it has destroyed election integrity.
Anyone who has come from a totalitarian country or lived through such things commonly admits that our Republic as we know it is over.
I think there is a small chance to elect a president again after the Biden Occupation has been rectified.
Trump can be both the 45th and 46th President of the United States.
Extricating the influence and the ideologies of fools like you is now paramount to the majority of us who simply believe in and follow the Constitution.
You might want to develop some life skills beyond bitching online like a standard Democrat beta male cuck. You are going to need them in the years ahead.
I have spent a large part of my life fighting for and supporting equality for blacks in America.
Harvesting their votes and promising things you will never give them is the new form of slavery.
This shall not stand.
@Ronald J. Ward: I’m not talking to or about @Nathan Blue:. I am asking YOU why you support election fraud. Apparently you are afraid to explain why.
Rodeo clowns distract the BULL to protect the riders. I am attracting the attention to YOUR Bull (shit) and exposing your open support for election fraud. You defended it for 2020 and your support making it the law of the land, which is actually removing ALL rule of law.
Someone of weak moral character who is lazy and cannot do the things needed to go out and vote foregoes their “voice” and rightly so.
I don’t care if you are fat, skinny, white, black, poor, or rich.
You have the RIGHT to vote. Whether you exercise that right is your own business, and not to be exploited and used by simple tyrants hiding behind the guise of “voter rights”.
The hedge against letting weak minded and weak willed people speaking in our society is the short distance between themselves and the ballot box.
I think AJ/Ron and company really need to uphold their Dear Leader’s wishes when he said “poor kids are as smart as white kids”
BEING POOR AND/OR BLACK DOES NOT ABSOLVE YOU OF THE SIMPLE PROTOCOLS AND PROCESSES TO VOTE LEGALLY AS EVERYONE ELSE. THIS IS SO IT IS FAIR FOR ALL.
Democrats continue to force their new form of Jim Crow on our population, but it’s not going to work.
@Nathan Blue:
Okay, I understand the delusional coo-coo-for-cocopuffs world you live in as you’ve demonstrate it regularly.
So, simply entertaining what you’re saying, Democrats have lied and manipulated people (I suppose to minorities and the young and poor through SNL?) and have promised them free stuff and such to the point that they’ve enslaved them (or something similarly stupid?) and now have won them over and will likely win forever?
And after 4 years of Trump doing everything within his power to restore honesty, voter integrity, and an end to this “educational indoctrination” (Project 1776 comes to mind) and even with the help of Rush, Hannity, AmericanThiner, etc., just could not overcome Democrats from lying, indoctrinating by SNL, and promising free stuff so now the Republicans are in trouble?
So far so good? Am I somewhere in the ballpark of what you’re saying or am I taking some “bait” or such. Democrats cheat by enslaving minorities with free stuff and promises and lies and propaganda and brainwashing and as you say, it cannot stand and is unconstitutional.
For the sake of argument, okay, let’s just say your assessment has merit (albeit I’m not sure on what planet).
So your solution is what? An age increase? Land or wealth ownership? A survey of SNL viewing? A blanket disqualification of those registered in the Democratic Party (because there is no Democrat Party on this planet).
All minorities and young people? How do you decide?
@Ronald J. Ward:
What he is saying is that NO ONE voted for the idiot Biden. All those dead that “voted” for him was his most enthusiastic base. Note he could not gather enough people at any of his rallies to organize a softball practice. NO ONE thought this dottering idiot, this racist, this groping, raping child abuser, would make a viable President.
No, they voted AGAINST a caricature of Trump created by the lying media working hand in hand with lying Democrats. The monster created by the Demediacrats was racist (Trump has never done anything racist), was a Russian asset (proven to be totally concocted by Hillary with misinformation provided by her Russian partners), a misogynist (though he never abused any woman and treated women in his employ the same as men, placing many in high, leadership positions), corrupt (though he donated his pay and never had ANY evidence he was doing anything like Hillary and the idiot Biden were doing), extorted Ukraine (though the idiot Biden admitted doing just that on video), and incited violence (as the left incited, encouraged, promoted and excused their ANTIFA Brownshirts committing political violence in their name). You, of course, did all you could to spread those lies as well, even though you KNEW they were all lies (remember, you could never back up any of your accusations with a shred of evidence).
Unfortunately, in America, under the form of government we had BEFORE the idiot Biden took control through fraud, there is no solution. We citizens are expected to be honest and, though there are penalties for breaking the law (as long as it is not a Democrat doing the crime), journalists used to be expected to present facts. Now they provide Democrat propaganda (see Cuomo and how deep in trouble he had to get before the media decided to begin reporting the facts on him) and little else.
Trump was an existential threat to corruption and incompetence in DC. It took massive propaganda and fraud to replace him with the most incompetent and corrupt idiot we have ever seen behind the Resolute Desk. I guess that was just to show us all how much power the Demediacrats have; they can depose the most capable President we have had in a century and replace him with the most foolish.
And this is what YOU support.
@Ronald J. Ward: All
Damn you are one mind F#$ked individual. 1 legal vote for each its that simple. Everyone is entitled to vote the way they feel, and not be intimidated by rhetoric afterwards.
@Deplorable Me: @Nathan Blue:
When ever Ward/AJ makes a claim, you best fact check that claim.
For example:
Shorten the window in which voters can request absentee ballots; they would have to do so between 11 weeks before the election and two Fridays before the election. (Currently Georgians can request absentee ballots between 180 days before the election and one Friday before the election.)
Why would anyone request an absentee ballot six months before an election? In Georgia, the filing deadline for state and federal candidates is just three months prior to the primary election. And you can request an absentee ballot no later than four days before election day. So you request an absentee ballot six months before election day and you don’t even know who will be on the ballot? Guess Ward thinks that makes sense, but it is pure stupidity and rife with the potential of vote fraud (vote mining).
Prevent election officials from mailing absentee ballots until four weeks before the election
If candidates can file as late as 90 days before an election, I guess Ward thinks those ballots can be approved, printed and distributed before then. One more case of his idiotic thinking.
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Bar election officials from mailing unsolicited absentee-ballot applications to voters.
No ballot should ever be mailed to a voter that has not requested it. That protects the right of the voter to choose their own candidates and method of voting but it also eliminates the time frame where vote miners can collect mail in ballots from unsuspecting voters.
Of course, HR1 will eliminate all signature verification on mail in ballots and is an absolute policy for fraud.
Limit the early-voting period to business hours during the three weeks preceding the election, plus the second Saturday before the election; early voting would no longer be allowed any other day, including Sundays.
Not being a fan of early voting to begin with, a month of early voting is pure insanity. The ability to have poll workers for that length of time is almost impossible. If you have 29 days to vote, and there is not one time period in that window to personally vote, request an absentee ballot under the guidelines of absentee voting (age, absence from state, military on duty, etc) Also, perhaps Ward/AJ is unaware that federal law requires employers grant time off to an employee for the purpose of voting.
Clarify that no one can give food or water to people standing in line to vote.
My oh my, Ward/AJ seems to have a problem with protecting voters in line. A voter is not to be approached by anyone while standing in line to vote. Why are they approaching that voter? To hand them a bottle of water with the name of a candidate on it? That is illegal in every state, but Ward thinks those voters should be available to pressure, i.e. “You want a bottle of water? Here is one from Candidate A. Be sure to vote for him.” Not to mention it is illegal to take campaign material into a polling location.
Allow ballot drop boxes at early-voting sites only, and only when those sites are open.
Once a ballot is dropped into an unguarded, unmonitored drop box, that ballot has lost chain of custody that is required for ballot security. But Ward supports that.
Limit the use of mobile voting facilities, such as buses, to emergencies.
No where in the proposed Georgia law that Ward linked to does it mention buses. Of course, his first reaction was to say that church buses could not provide transportation for the “Souls To The Polls.” Now he’s correcting that and gives us Version #2. The use of mobile facilities are only for those polling locations that have been deemed “unsafe” to use by city authorities per his link. Guess he doesn’t care if a building falls down around voters.
And yes, some voters are susceptible to having their vote bought.
“Five people, including the head of the East St. Louis Democratic central
committee, were named today in a federal indictment alleging voter fraud in 2004.
The indictment says the five took part in a conspiracy to pay voters for their votes in the Nov. 2, 2004, general election.
Named in the indictment are Charles Powell Jr., head of the city’s Democratic committee, along with Jesse Lewis, Sheila Thomas and Kelvin Ellis, Democratic precinct committeemen, and Yvette Johnson, a precinct worker.
Ronald J. Tenpas, U.S. Attorney for southern Illinois, also announced that four people — Leroy Scott Jr., Lillie Nichols, Terrance Stith and Sandra Stith –had pleaded guilty to paying voters in the November 2004 general election at
the direction of Powell.
Sentencing for those four was set for June 3. Each faces a possible sentence
of five years in prison and a fine up to $250,000.”
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×1336851
Please note the political party of these people. They used cigarettes, alcohol and even drugs to buy the votes of the people they abused. Most notable is that East St. Louis, Illinois is 97% black. Blacks abusing black voters. Ward doesn’t seem to care about that abuse.
You see, one in three Hispanic men voted for Trump and one in five black men voted for Trump in November, 2020. That’s the Democrats fear, that minorities are waking up to the fact that Democrats do nothing for them but try to buy their vote with promises of free stuff (remember the Obama phones?).
@retire05:
Those were actually GWB phones or if you want to go back further, originated from a Reagan era communications law.
These are your words. Accordingly, meritless. You simply “saying” something is like we simply take Nathan or Trump at their word.
Much of your other rhetoric is easily debunked or has no relationship with reality.
Regardless, your role as another rodeo clown to distract from Nathan’s admission that minorities and younger voters should be “weeded out and never vote again” because it would prevent the Plutocratic Party from ever winning again (under the premise that they’ve been promised free stuff from Dems and tricked by SNL) is obviously noted, validating my # 2 comment that:
@retire05: NOTHING in HR1 makes voting more secure and ALL of it promotes cheating and fraud. There has been NO voter suppression and the only purpose of HR1 is to promote fraud and make every election like 2020.
That’s why AJ promotes and praises it
@Ronald J. Ward:
If everyone of every party must follow the same laws, where is the advantage to either party?
With all the lives sacrificed in wars to protect our way of life and Constitution why should it be easy to cheat or allowed refuse produce evidence that an election was actually legal?
@Ronald J. Ward:
From your own link:
Passed by the Georgia Senate:
“(b) The superintendent of a county or the governing authority of a municipality shall have
80 discretion to procure and provide be responsible for procuring and providing portable or
81 movable polling facilities of adequate size for any precinct to replace any existing polling
82 place, if needed. Portable or movable polling facilities shall only be deployed and used to
83 replace an existing polling place when the existing polling place has been deemed to be
84 unsafe for human occupation by a licensed commercial building inspector employed or
85 contracted by the county or municipality or has suffered a failure of utility services that
86 provide water or electricity. Portable or moveable polling places shall follow the same
87 standards as they relate to voting access for those electors with disabilities as the existing
88 polling place that such portable or moveable polling place is being used to replace.
89 Portable or movable polling places shall be located within 2,640 feet of the existing polling
90 place that has been deemed unsafe or suffered a loss of utility services that provide water
91 or electricity. Any replacement of an existing polling place with a portable or movable
92 polling place shall be presented before and approved by a superior court judge of the circuit21 LC 28 0292S (SCS)
S. B. 241
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93 in which the existing polling place is located prior to such replacement being used for
94 elections. The superintendent of a county or the governing authority of a municipality shall
95 be solely responsible for ensuring that all portable or movable polling facilities used by
96 such county or municipality meet all safety and licensing requirements currently applicable
97 under the law related to the operations of commercial vehicles and all applicable state,
98 county, and municipal codes related to the accessibility and safety of portable and
99 temporary structures.”
100 SECTION 6.
101 Said chapter is further amended by revising Code Section 21-2-380, re
Apparently you are incapable of reading election codes. No mention of buses.
@retire05: He is still lying about busses? The issue was never the election laws in place nor the need to add more, its jailing those that break them.
@Ronald J. Ward: Wow. Not a single denial, in all that blather.
I think you’re waking up, little guy.
Well done.
Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Marxist China and many others. This is how it was done. Massive propaganda to use the “rabble”, then once power was taken, everyone loses.Except the small bunch that makes up the leadership, of course.
Coherence is a powerful tool against the weak and insecure in a society…which, unfortunately, always represents a large swath of the population.
People vote Dem because they don’t want to feel like they are not “in”. That’s achieved by media saturation, and nothing else. It’s hollow and reptilian.
No one, especially not you, can tell me why their Savior Biden was so important to install into our government.
Lost jobs, higher gas prices, open borders where more kids are dying (and spreading covid), richer white people, richer corporations.
That is what Biden represents…the opposite of what you and other “Liberals” say you want.
You are the example of the fraudulent vote, because you don’t know what the f*ck you are voting for, or even what you are saying.
That’s the power of propaganda: making a useful slave out of you.
@Nathan Blue, #52:
Your argument is based on an unstated and fundamentally dishonest premise—that perfection is an attainable state. It isn’t. Perfection can be attained in nothing. That includes elections. There will always be some detectable level of fraud, because there will always be some people who will try to cheat if they think they can get away with it. What matters in the case of elections is whether or not it occurs at a statistically significant level. If it doesn’t, it’s irrelevant to the outcome. In fact, relevance to the outcome is what defines a “statistically significant level”.
You want perfectly pure peanut butter? There’s no such thing. Every jar is contaminated with insect parts. A 16-ounce jar isn’t even considered to be contaminated unless it contains more than 136 detectable insect fragments. If it were rejected as unfit for consumption for having any detectable level, there simply wouldn’t be any peanut butter on the market. Whether you’re talking elections or peanut butter, it is literally impossible to get all of the bugs out.
Everyone here is smart enough to understand this. Some election fraud always exists, but it does not logically follow that all election results are fraudulent. A handful of fraudulent votes can’t be held up as evidence of massive election fraud any more than a few random snowflakes could be held up as evidence of a blizzard.
@Greg:
OK, so you accept some level of voter/election fraud. How much is no longer acceptable? 3%? 5%? 25%?
Again, what is an acceptable “statistically significant level” to you, Comrade Greggie? When Congressional seats are determined by a narrow margin of just six votes, how many fraudulent votes are acceptable?
But wait, don’t you on the left blather on endlessly about voter “suppression”? If my illegal vote cancels out your legal vote, am I not suppressing your vote, basically disenfranchising your vote? Why yes, I am.
But you don’t care as long as Democrats, who back your goal of a Socialist America, win. And that, Comrade Greggie, will be achieved under HR1.
The goal is a “more perfect” union and that doesn’t include allowing for voter/election fraud.
Asking for the crooked GB liberal mayor to resign.
@retire05:
You are indeed the dense one. Or, the denialist of reality. or maybe, the contrarian at all cost in chief.
Yes you intentionally stupid son of a bitch, a minute level of voter fraud that doesn’t change the overall election outcome doesn’t give the corporately owned plutocratic/social Darwinism states the right to “weed out minorities” because they didn’t get their preferred electoral outcome.
You want to argue in generalities. That’s an evasion. The issue is a specific case, and the facts are these: Biden won by nearly 8 million votes. Trump lost. Trump DID NOT win by a landslide, as he continues to claim. There’s NO credible evidence of any significant level of voter fraud. Trump continues to LIE about that, and a majority of elected republicans lack the integrity to call him on it.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Oh, my, you’re projecting again, Ward/AJ.
Well, if I have ever stated anything about weeding out minorities, then you can call me out on it, but since I am considered a “minority” it would be against my self interest to do so. Talk about stupid; you wrote the book How To Be Stupid.
You’re a liar, Ward, and you don’t like getting caught in your lies. On top of that, you have a mouth so foul that even your mother wouldn’t get near you.
@Greg:
No he didn’t.
@Greg:
Your argument is based on an unstated and fundamentally dishonest premise–that some fraud is inevitable, and when evidence of fraud occurs, and lack of investigation is the same as assuming “it wasn’t enough to change the outcome of the election”
How would you know if you didn’t investigate it?
You’re argument fails on logic alone.
Now over half of the electorate doesn’t trust our elections, which means the social and lawful contract that binds us is null and void.
There’s just no argument here from the Left. They are the standard projecting “elites” that can’t face how hugely they’ve f*cked up.
In fighting the menace of evil fundie right Christian *ssholes who are back in 1983, they’ve become far worse.
If I and millions of others don’t think the election was legitamate, the answer isn’t “f*cking take it, you Conservative jerk”.
That’s not how democracy works.
If this many people have a problem, then any Dem/Leftist forcing me to accept the “outcome” of a corrupted election are all but admitting insurrection.
@Greg: If the fraud was removed, Biden lost. You cannot confirm the election was legitimate by simply denying the valid examples of voter fraud. Now the Democrats propose a law that discards every effort to assure the security of our election and provides numerous opportunities for more fraud, just as was witnessed in 2020.
You and AJ simply support fraud because you can see your failed ideology can never win in a fair contest.
There was no significant level of fraud. No credible evidence that there was has been produced by anybody. Belief alone does not make something true.
@Greg: It was significant; it was unprecedented. It turned the election. Georgia, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and Nevada were all turned with fraud. The proof is substantive and positive.
@Greg:
How would you know?
I could play a video of Biden doing something weird, like admitting to withholding aid to the Ukraine, or…I don’t know…saying “If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black” and you’d say he didn’t do it.
Hehe. Belief alone does not make something true.
No amount of evidence would see you not lying blatantly.
We have ample evidence of election fraud.
Facts.
March 12, 2021 – Plan to limit Georgia Sunday voting disrupts Black church efforts
That would be the only point of it. Sunday voters in Georgia are predominantly black, and predominantly democrat.
@Greg:
That’s racist, and without any proof. Stop using black people for your own agenda.
It seems Trump never said “find me fraud” or “find me votes”, according to major news sources who spread that lie: WaPo and company.
Please remember that when you want to spread the empirically false claim that their was no evidence of fraud. “Anonymous” sources can’t help you when we have video evidence, statistical evidence, and hundreds of signed affidavits….not to mention proof that people who are dead or don’t exist voted. FACT.
And don’t be a coward to fall back on the “it’s not enough to change the election”.
You don’t know that, and are afraid to see.
That’s the face of treason.
If someone forms their hateful opinion on Trump because they were told he said “find the fraud” or “find the votes”, both things he didn’t say, then their beliefs and vote are based on falsehood, and we need to do everything to marginalize those who are being mislead just to give power to others.
It took an intentional release of Covid, billions of dollars, repeatedly false stories from “whistleblowers” and “anonymous sources”…and they still had to rig the election on the backs of the poor and the dead to “defeat” Trump.
Democrats and their Cult followers need to get out of my country and start their own.
@Nathan Blue, #88:
Indeed, it’s voter suppression specifically targeting black voters. If you can suggest some alternative objective that particular provision might have, I’d be interested in hearing it.
@Nathan Blue:
That happens to be what they all based their hatred on; a media-created caricature of Trump that they could never see through when Trump himself NEVER validated that caricature. Even when those telling them they have the “evidence” are caught lying they can’t figure out how they are being lied to and played for fools. Actually, they just don’t care. They NEED to hate and they NEED something to fuel that hatred. It’s the only way their own miserable ideology looks attractive.
@Greg: That involves government overtime to have polling stations open on Sunday. There’s no reason for it. I’d like them to set up a polling station on my front porch to make it easy for me, but I doubt that will happen. Is that suppressing my vote? If they can caravan on Sunday, they could caravan on Saturday. Or Monday. I would also argue that church-going blacks are more likely to vote Republican than for the decadent, socialist, fascist Democrats.
@Deplorable Me: The Border wall was voter suppression too.
@kitt: Yeah, prospective Democrat voters, via HR1.
@Greg:
Hardly.
The targeting of blacks is done by the Democrat Party, to use them as voting cattle….the same way the Dems and their racism has always used them: as slaves.
Yes. The same rules, for everyone. Not special rules that allow for activists and lobbies to harvest votes by disenfranchising our poor.
Dems promised prosperity to blacks that they never intended on delivery.
Trump delivered, and that was the real threat.
As your unelected Dictator famously said, “poor kids are as smart as white kids”. I agree.
This includes being smart enough to go get an ID at the DMV and voting at the ballot box, so we can prevent rigged elections like 2020.
Being poor and black does not get you special treatment, especially when that special treatment is just white Democrats using you for your vote.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Shove that up your *ss, you Blue Anon idiot.
@Nathan Blue, #94:
The same rules DO apply to everyone. I believe white folk in Georgia were also able vote on Sundays after attending church, if they so desired.
Try again.
@Greg:
Exactly. So why change them? Why allow for sudden law changes that violate the Constitution and allow for un-supervised ballot counting under the cover of darkness?
Your silly church bus point is meaningless, and dismissible.
Dems are changing the rules so it’s easier to cheat. Facts.
Try again.
@Nathan Blue:
That’s the question that republicans trying to end early Sunday voting won’t answer.
H.R. 1 is a response to such assorted b.s. I also like its requirement for the disclosure of 10 years of tax returns.
@Greg: When will we see Hillary’s 33,000 illegally deleted emails? You’ve seen Trump’s returns; they were illegal leaked. So, what did you find, Sherlock?
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No. That’s the question Democrats raised when they suddenly changed voting laws before an election, and have been doing everything to game the voting in their favor.
As always, they accuse Reps of doing what they have been caught doing.
The bussing thing won’t significantly change any voting outcomes, so what difference does it make?
H.R. 1 is an effort to allow rigged elections like 2020 to be the standard.
Not on my watch.