Nancy Pelosi, after what seems to be over hundred years in office, is bent on removing eleven Confederate statues from the US Capitol.
In a letter sent on Wednesday, Pelosi asked the Joint Committee on the Library — led by Senate Rules and Administration Chairman Roy Blunt, a Missouri Republican, and House Administration Chairwoman Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat — to direct the Architect of the Capitol to remove the statues of soldiers and officials who represent the Confederacy.
Pelosi specifically mentioned two prominent Confederates — Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens — who served as president and vice president of the Confederate States of America, respectively, and who were charged with treason against the United States. Stephens’ statue was given by Georgia and Davis’ by Mississippi.
They’re all democrats, BTW.
Additionally, she is removing Confederate portraits as well
Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday ordered the removal of four portraits in the Capitol of previous House Speakers who served in the Confederacy.
The move marks Pelosi’s latest effort to take down Confederate imagery in the Capitol, following her push last week calling for the removal of 11 Confederate statues displayed in the Capitol complex.
“We didn’t know about this until we were taking inventory of the statues and the curator told us that there were four paintings of Speakers in the Capitol of the United States, four Speakers who had served in the Confederacy,” Pelosi told reporters in the Capitol.
Well, while y’all are removing statues, what about the one above?
The statue is of Robert Byrd, former Senator from West Virginia. The man was a racist by anyone’s standards.
The guy was a library of racism
The racist Byrd was lionized by democrats
When Byrd died in 2010, he had served in the Senate longer than anyone else; the New York Times described him as “a pillar of Capitol Hill.” In a statement, then-President Barack Obama called him “a voice of principle and reason.” Biden said Byrd was “a dear friend.”
Byrd was an “Exalted Cyclops” in the Ku Klux Klan.
If there ever was a statue that screamed for removal, it’s Byrd’s.
Your move, Pelosi.
PS
The Confederate statue dedicated by Pelosi’s father was taken down 3 years ago. Her father, Mayor of Baltimore, had this to say at its dedication:
It was May 2, 1948, when, according to a Baltimore Sun article from that day, “3,000” looked on as then-Governor William Preston Lane Jr. and Pelosi’s father, the late Thomas D’Alesandro Jr., spoke at the dedication of a monument to honor Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.
The article said Lane delivered a speech, and Mayor D’Alesandro “accepted” the memorial.
“Today, with our nation beset by subversive groups and propaganda which seeks to destroy our national unity, we can look for inspiration to the lives of Lee and Jackson to remind us to be resolute and determined in preserving our sacred institutions,” D’Alesandro said in his dedication. “We must remain steadfast in our determination to preserve freedom, not only for ourselves, but for the other liberty-loving nations who are striving to preserve their national unity as free nations.”
He added: “In these days of uncertainty and turmoil, Americans must emulate Jackson’s example and stand like a stone wall against aggression in any form that would seek to destroy the liberty of the world.”
Pelosi never once recommended that statue be removed. Her continued silence suggests she is feeling a heavy guilt at her father’s racist past and that it clearly stains hers as well.
She really should resign in disgrace.
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I guess back in the day, leadership was appreciated regardless of the cause. Plus, even closer to the actual Civil War, people could forgive past disagreements. Not today, though. Today, people LOOK for reasons to be hurt and hate.
Maryland wasn’t even a part of the Confederacy.
Yes, Nancy should resign in disgrace. The portraits and statues only add to the disgrace.
All of the statues should be carefully placed in storage with conservation until we upgrade our educational system, and restore sanity
@kitt:
Yup, and including the grand kleagle Byrd
who the hell gives her the authority or disgrace American History
I was thinking it would be fun to tear down some liberal statues, but then it dawned on me… no liberal has ever done anything to earn a statue.
It is as much a fallacy to judge people of an ancient age (or even a not so ancient age) by “standards” set today by the ever-shifting standards of the Left.
This is why one of the best movies ever made, Gone with the Wind, is only allowed if preceded by a BLM rant.
This is why Pelosi’s dad and Byrd’s mom are demonized in this thread.
Sure, the Right likes to adopt the Left’s Rules For Radicals when it comes to forcing Lefties to conform to standards they set for others.
So, have at it, but its still a fallacy.
When my in-laws moved to CA from neutral Missouri in the late 1950’s they didn’t even have to bite their tongues when they referred to blacks as niggers.
Californians used that term commonly and not as a perjorative.
By the time I met my husband that term was accepted as bad IF a non-black said it, but it was pretty commonly used by blacks all the time…..this was before the development of rap.
Elvis Costello, in 1979, put out a song called “Oliver’s Army,” where he referred to Brits who needed work joining the military and being sent to foreign posts as “white niggers.”
Far as I’m concerned, as long as anyone with even an ounce of white blood can say nigger, so can all of us.
Most rappers are of mixed blood, maybe as much white as people vilified for saying it too.
All this destruction of history by tearing down statues is wrong, and worse, it opens the door to revising history in any way the Left wants to.
Look at history.
The destruction of the faces of previous Pharaohs allowed the living pharaoh to pretend he did all the good the dead pharaoh had done.
Greek and Roman citizens wrote their histories so most people never realize how over 90% of their population were slaves.
Blacks have attempted to rewrite history lots of times.
Remember the “Cleopatra was black” lie?
If only they’d held that story until now.
They might have gotten more people to swallow it.
But, back then, real historians were still allowed on campuses.
They proved that few, if any of the Greeks slaves were black, even IF Cleopatra’s grandparent screwed one it was a white person like all their slaves.
Playing their game, out to its logical conclusion and we all lose.
STILL waiting on Yale University to be attacked.
@Deplorable Me:
Lincoln was a Republican, but by nearly any metric you care to name, the Republicans were liberals back in the 1860s, and the Democrats were conservatives. Feel free to prove me wrong with facts.
@Nan G:
Agree, put every picture and statue in storage. in the near future it will be needed
marxist manifesto: destroy all current and past history and rebuilds a new history based on marxism. what do you think what the left is trying to do? the major issue in the marxist manifesto that the left is wanting so badly is that there are no real leaders to lead this change.
recent review noted: do not hire a recent college graduate-to dumb to know their are dumb, not cultured, rude, crude,lazy, complete lack of ethics and morals and most of them hate America. let them continue to live with mommy and daddy.
@Michael: Lincoln was progressive, in the traditional definition of the term, not progressive of liberal in the way of wanting to destroy what is effective and beneficial to the citizens and replace it with socialism and oppression, as they are now.
Wanting to restore and maintain the Union was pretty conservative.
So, easily done.
@Michael:
When you’ve lost Leo Turrell, you’ve lost the argument.
@retire05: I don’t know who that is.
@Deplorable Me: The Republicans used the full force of the Federal government to impose their will on the states, over their objections. Modern Republicans hate that kind of thing.
Attempting to integrate freed blacks into Southern society against the will of the Southerners themselves is the kind of thing modern Republicans decry as “social engineering.”
@Deplorable Me:
A few decades later, the Republican Party under Roosevelt broke up big business, increased the amount of Federal land protected from development, and dramatically expanded Federal regulation of the food and drug industries. That all sounds like the antithesis of today’s Republicans.
@Michael:
You being uninformed is not my problem, it’s yours.
So, as you are pimping your leftist opinions, are we to assume you support what is going on in the U.S. now, with riots, looting and the killing of police officers? How about monuments? Do you agree with pulling them down because…………….history? Are you supporting the Democrat Party candidate for Prez?
@Michael:
Prison reform. Returning American Jobs. Defending our IP and universities from Chinese intellectual theft and espionage. Ending payments to countries we ought not pay for. Improved housing for poor and black Americans. Lower Taxes.
No, that sounds about in line with Teddy.
I voted for Trump because he’s the closest thing to Teddy Roosevelt in my lifetime. He’s defending workers and defending American resources.
Our resources today — science, technology, and intellectual property — are like the land management issues of Teddy’s time.
Our workers today need jobs…and not at Starbucks. They need the opportunity to make great things as we’ve always done.
Trump is clearly the President we need. Try again in 2024…and clean up your corrupt party by then, please.
@retire05:
I’m sorry your joke didn’t land.
I’m against those three things.
There are certain statues and monuments that might better be displayed in museums, rather than in a place of honor on the public square. Byrd’s might be among them. I haven’t given Robert Byrd much thought at this point.
No. As far as I know, there is no political party called the Democrat Party. I am, however, supporting the candidate of the Democratic Party. He’s not the candidate I hoped would win the nomination, but we must all play the hand we’re dealt.
@Michael:
Unfortunately your “candidate” isn’t.
Demand better from the Democrat Party: an actual platform and a viable candidate.
@Michael:
With Bidens obvious problems, honey you were dealt out of this hand, he hasnt had any great accomplishments in all his years in politics, we dont expect him to start now.
Actually 05s statement about you being poorly informed landed on mark.
A black civil rights lawyer prefers Trump over Biden. It takes seconds to look up the name and you just might have but prefer to be ignorant or pretend ignorance.
You decide to comment on a thread you admit you havent given much thought to.
@Michael:
Good. That’s a start.
Why? Why remove monuments and statues that have stood for over 100 years?
I wouldn’t either, if I were you. Robert (KKK) Byrd was a horrible man.
I figured you would be triggered by the term “Democrat.” So, why do are the left called “Democrats” and not “Democratics?”
But he seems to be the best you Democratics can do. First you run a crook, and now you run a doddering old man who isn’t even sure of where he is. What did he ever accomplish in all his years in the Senate? Oh, yeah, he conducted a high tech lynching of a black man.
@Nathan Blue:
What’s with the quotation marks? Is Biden not the candidate?
You’re concerned about the success of the Democratic Party?
@retire05:
Why not?
Because in English we often (though not always) use a different form of a word when it serves as an adjective than when it serves as a noun. For example, we live in America (a noun), but the adjective we use to describe things from America is “American.” The same thing holds true for “France” (a noun) and “French” (an adjective), and so on.
A person who is a member of the party is a “Democrat” (and remember that a noun is a person, place or thing, so “Democrat” falls within that category). On the other hand, if we’re going to use an adjective to specify which party we’re talking about, we’ll use the adjective form of the word: “Democratic.”
@Michael:
Not yet. I give it 50% that the DNC will step in and “assign” someone else.
Absolutely. I’ve voted Democrat before and I will again. I vote for policies, not people.
I want the Dems to thrive, just like any other political party.
What I don’t want is a takeover of the country by one ideology, or one political party. We all know where that goes.
I am was/am a supporter of Tulsi Gabbard and will support her in 2024 if she runs, which I hope she does.
Politically, I’m a centrist…which is why I like Trump. He’s fighting both parties and still standing.
@Michael:
Thanks for the unasked for language lesson.
Now, again, what did Biden ever accomplish in all his years in the Senate? Also, please give me a list of what the Democratic Party has done for black Americans since 1964?
@retire05:
“Unasked”? You asked in no uncertain terms for that very information:
@kitt:
I’m under no obligation to do homework in order to help retire05’s joke land. But I’ll do it now. Now what was the guy’s name again?
As it turns out, Bing returns no results for anyone by that name.
@Michael:
Sorry, it’s Terrell.
He’s a civil rights attorney who has defended blacks against police abuse. But no surprise you wouldn’t know who he is, although he is from California. Left wingers are some of the most uninformed people in the nation.
Now, again, what did Biden ever accomplish in all his years in the Senate?
@retire05:
I’ve already answered questions for you in this thread, which, to be frank, is generally more than you do for me. That’s all you get today.
You don’t actually care about my answers. Why do you ask?
@Michael
No one asked you to actually learn anything, as if that is even a possibility.
By answering questions we can gauge on what level to communicate with you 2nd or pushing 3rd grade elementary. Popping into a thread without any thought on the subject is much like the child that interrupts adult conversations for a popsicle request.
@Michael:
Shorter Michael: I got nothin’.
Actually, just a few days ago, Biden clinched the nomination.
He reached the number of delegates needed and passed that number.
So, it would take an extraordinary happening at the DNC convention, or a pullout for medical reasons, for him to be replaced now.
@kitt:
Home School is the answer. System has been destroyed for 17 years. Salvage impossible!
@Michael:
In the face of an armed insurrection, you would see Republicans united in seeing it put down, as in Seattle, for instance.
Explain Lincoln’s “integration” plan.
And this is topical… HOW?
But you support the party that promotes it all. Something does not compute.
There is nothing “democratic” about the Democrat party, so I call it Democrat.
@Hotrodelectric:
I already said that this not the guy I would have chosen, given my druthers.
One thing that can be said for Biden is that he understands how the government operates, which is more than can be said for the current president.
@rodney stanton: Why seventeen years, specifically?
@Michael: Yeah, Biden got to see firsthand how to turn the federal government into the political arm of the DNC and use it to attack political opponents. I think we’ve actually had enough of that.
@Nathan Blue:
Awhile back I created a list of Trump’s assaults and damages to American workers. I should update it I suppose because his plutocratic appointments and judges has been a swinging door. And of course, there’s the recent $1/2 trillion PPP heist meant for small business that he defied the very bill he signed and refused transparency and shifted it towards his political allies and top donors.
Secretary of Labor- Eugene Scalia, a man with a history of helping business clients screw over employees, weakening OSHA rules, and union busting.
Deputy Sec of Labor- Patrick Pizzella, a former employee of the National Right to Work Committee and has lobbied against raising sweatshop-level wages in American owned companies in U.S. owned territories, many paying less than $1 an hour.
Former Sec of Labor from 2017-2019-Rene Alexander Acosta with a history of anti-worker protections and adamantly against unions and minimum wage. Also approved a plea deal that allowed Jeffrey Epstein to plead guilty.
Assistant Secretary of the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA), David Zatezalo, a former CEO of a coal mining operation with serious mining violations.
And now Trump’s Dept of Labor hired 2 union busters to oversee unions. 2-5-2020
National Labor Relations Board appointees:
1) Marvin Kaplan, whose sole experience with labor law is drafting legislation to weaken worker protections and holding hearings to criticize the NLRB.
2) John Ring, a partner at anti-union law firm Morgan-Dale Lewis
3) William Emanuel, a partner at union-busting law firm Littler Mendelson.
Trump twice nominated Thomas Farr for a lifetime judicial seat, a lawyer who defended employers and corporations charged with employment discrimination, has fought efforts to create safe working conditions for employees, opposed by the AFL-CIO, who’s 1st job out of law school was working at an anti-union organization, the so-called National Right to Work Foundation, has continued to defend employers against discrimination claims and worker safety claims ever since, authored a brief asking the U.S. Supreme Court to overturn a NC Supreme Court decision that invalidated a state workers’ compensation law that would not permit workers who developed chronic lung disease due to asbestos exposure from obtaining a remedy, and defended a company that refused to allow a union to take temperature readings in the workplace where glass-making workers were exposed to extreme heat conditions.
After promising the working class to rid Washington of corporate lobbyist, let’s look at who he has installed:
Trump chose an oil lobbyist to run the Dept of Interior, a coal lobbyist as head of the EPA, a pharmaceutical lobbyist as head of the Health and Human Services, a Raytheon lobbyist for acting Secretary of Defense, a billionaire charter school heiress to run the Dept of Education, and a banking executive for Secretary of the Treasury.
So, let’s take a look at the results:
1. Weakening workplace safety protections for offshore drilling workers on 12/29/2017
2. Signing a tax bill into law that tilts the tax system further against workers 12/22/17
3. Limiting workers’ ability to decide with whom they want to form a union 12/15/17
4. Making it harder for workers to bargain over their working conditions 12/14/17.
5. Proposing to make it easier for employers to pocket their employees’ tips 12/05/17
6. Threatening working families’ access to health care 10/12/17
7. Denying overtime to millions of working people by derailing the Obama-era protection to extend overtime protections to 4.2 million Americans’ 6/30/17
8. Disbanding labor-management forums for federal workers 9/29/17
9. Delaying and weakening mine inspection rule
10. Endangering the retirement investments of working families by signing a EO on February 3, 2017
11. Halting EEOC equal pay data collection 8/29/17
12. Signed into law a to block customers from filing class action lawsuits against banks 11/02/17
13. Rolling back gainful employment protection. June 2017
14. Shutting down retirement savings plans on 7/31/17 by ending the MYRA savings program.
15. Exposing workers to toxic materials on 6/23/17 rolling back safety rules protecting workers from beryllium, a toxic metal that causes lung cancer and other deadly diseases.
16. Endangering workers and first responders at chemical facilities on 6/12/17 by ordering the EPA to roll back demands critical updates to its Risk Management Program (RMP).
17. Undermining the quality and pay of apprenticeship programs on June 2017.
18. Switching sides in Supreme Court case limiting workers’ right to sue. June 2017
19. Proposing a budget that would slash funding for job training. May 2017
20. Cut important programs for coal miners and their communities
despite his promise to support coal communities.
21. Attempting to make it harder for people with disabilities to work, again going against his campaign promises.
22. Rolled back rules on wage theft in June 2017.
23 Rolled back rules of. exposing farmworkers to toxic pesticides in Jan 2017, again lying about his campaign promises.
24. Making it harder for workers to save for retirement in May 2017 by signing legislation to repeal Obama-era guidance that helped cities and states set up retirement savings plans for workers who didn’t have access to employer-provided plans. .
25. Weakened protections for construction workers in April 2017.
26. Signing Exec Order in April 2017 letting lawbreakers off the hook for safety violations
27. More weakened laws exposing farmworkers to toxic pesticides 3/29/2017
28. Has awarded $billions in federal contracts to employers who have violated wage laws.
29. His March 2019 threatens workers by slashing funding for programs that protect workers’ rights and access to services.
30. Weakened payday lender rules in order to screw the poor 2/6/2019
31.Allowed employers to classify workers as contractors in order to end benefits and overtime 1/25/19
32.Again going after employee’s tips on 2/15/19
33. Exempted seasonal workers from federal wage hikes on 9/25/18.
34. Proposed regulations to weaken radiation protection of workers on April 2018
35. Making it easier to buy out employee pensions in March 2019
36. Relaxing OSHA’s injury and illness reporting standards on 1/25/19
37. Proposed rolling back child labor laws on 9/27/18
38. Preventing home care workers from organizing on 7/12/18
39. Attacking federal workers unions in May 2018
40. Again, weaken workplace safety for offshore drilling workers on 9/28/18
41. Promised to cut social security and Medicare 1/22/20
42. Proposed budget cut of $500 billion in Medicare Feb 202043. Signed Exec Order allowing loopholes for states to kick people of Medicaid
@Ronald J. Ward: Paul Krugman can’t stand the good jobs report… has to lie about the facts
https://www.redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2020/06/05/paul-krugman-caught-in-hilarious-self-own-after-furiously-spinning-conspiracy-theories-about-good-jobs-report/
HUGE jobs report for May; Democrats shocked and devastated
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/06/05/huge-shocker-of-a-jobs-report-released-media-projections-hardest-hit/
Despite COVID19, tax receipts in March reach record high
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/terence-p-jeffrey/federal-tax-collections-were-march-despite-covid-19-shutdown
Obama did not build Trump’s booming economy
https://spectator.org/obama-to-trump-you-didnt-build-that-economy/
Manufacturing jobs added since 2012
https://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/manufacturingjobsfeb2020.gif
AGAIN, no, Obama did not create Trump’s economy
https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/19/no-president-obama-you-dont-deserve-the-credit-for-trumps-awesome-economy/
Record tax revenues and spending in January
https://www.cnsnews.com/article/washington/terence-p-jeffrey/federal-taxes-and-spending-set-records-through-january
Trump’s budget cuts the deficit
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-budget-foreign-aid-defense-border-wall-veterans-homeland-security?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28Internal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29
Black unemployment hits new low and labor participation hits new high
https://nationalcenter.org/project21/2019/11/01/record-low-black-unemployment-applauded-by-black-activists/
Trump’s economy has outperformed 16 years of Bush and Obama
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/wayne-allyn-root-comparing-trump-to-16-years-of-obama-bush/
Record number of Americans employed, record low black unemployment
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-157878000-employed-august-21st-record-under-trump
Trump’s economy continues to grow
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/more-trump-miracles-job-openings-and-new-hires-reach-historic-all-time-highs-in-2018/
Middle, lower class and minorities benefiting most from Trump’s economy
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/trump-employment-boom-winners-lower-middle-classes/
Media reports tax refunds smaller; IRS reports they are larger
https://dmlnews.com/oped-newsrooms-rushed-report-tax-refunds-smaller-year-go-silent-irs-data-showing-refunds-increased/?fbclid=IwAR1uu6uWYXGhm_SypFsJtuVdCH1ycaEB4IgmtxmZfXkGxzA3GC83h02EX5E
289 Trump accomplishments in year 2
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping?fbclid=IwAR15VfzS434YC4PxiiOqME95qLHLsjii_fBaWBgU4JPYBaL6Q6MGbizumpk
Manufacturing jobs growing 714% faster under Trump than under Obama
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckdevore/2019/01/04/312000-jobs-added-in-december-manufacturing-growing-714-faster-under-trump-than-obama/?fbclid=IwAR1s3i5VhVh7YRawtv8sh9WI2omil_wbb65nRfL25DuSOxnv_8NT0M6sSGU#7626c1745b50
Obama vs. Trump; first two years
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/01/trump-vs-obama-in-first-two-years-in-office-trump-adds-9-million-more-jobs-than-obama/
Trump’s tax cuts doing what they were intended to do; spending is the problem
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/11/16/tax-cuts-produce-record-tax-revenues-from-business/
Tax revenue continue to increase.
https://www.thebalance.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762
Better jobs under Trump
https://qz.com/1347200/the-jobs-created-under-trump-are-different-than-under-obama/
@retire05:
This is an amusing (albeit somewhat effective) meme Trump enablers seem to love. While Biden played a role in many successful and needed legislation throughout his career, sponsoring, co-sponsoring, committees, and so on,, the meme suggest you’re unfamiliar with that childhood ditty called “I’m Only a Bill” or how the legislative process works.
Bills are generally created in the lower chamber by a group of over 400 people who get 1 vote each and then presented to the upper chamber of 100 people who also get 1 vote each. I’ll leave it to you to research how the rest of the process works.
It’s rather disingenuous to assign blame or incompetence of 1 man who gets 1 vote out of 535.
Next lesson: The Roles and Responsibilities of the Vice-President”
@Deplorable Me:
While I should know better than trying to have an adult conversation with you, the majority of links you provided are Trump promoters. The Federalist has been busted for fake news so many times I’d almost put them in a category with The Onion. Redstate, GatewayPundit and such are Left hating sites that lie for Trump. Seriously, this would be like me sending you arguments and spin from Dailykos.
Trump was handed a solid economy in which he never actually improved but rather lied repeatedly that he had. He even lost ground on the economy prior to the virus but repeatedly lied otherwise.
You can argue using hack sites who abet Trump’s lies to rationalize this but the BLS numbers speak speak for themselves. I mean, the cards are face up on the table.
@Ronald J. Ward: Biden helped WRITE the 1994 that put thousands of blacks in prison. Yeah… he hates blacks.
Well, he could always have OPPOSED legislation that adversely affected blacks. But, that’s what racists do… when they aren’t supporting racists running for office.
All those links describe real accomplishments. As you could see, if you would read, Trump was handed a weak, lethargic, struggling economy which he brought roaring back by, first, simply by not being the over-regulating, oppressive Obama and, second, by supporting an economy that would benefit EVERYONE with economic opportunity.
Meanwhile, at every step, Democrats have opposed growing the economy, actively working to destroy it. They’ve dreamed of a recession, did all they could to make COVID19 worse, oppose reopening the economy (while promoting protests, riots and looting) and blocked aid to struggling businesses.
Biden is and always has been a disaster. Just like Obama.
@Deplorable Me: But Wards liberal logic must be if there are no jobs then workers cant possibly be exploited. I wonder if Ward ever paid a union due in his lifetime or just thinks this angle is an effective political tool.
There are unions that need to be broken, public unions. They donate almost exclusively to democrats those that they negotiate their wages and benefits with.Taxpayers who foot the entire bill get no say in the contracts.
Act 10 in Wisconsin saved Taxpayers many millions of dollars and the teachers union still exists. The teachers complain that like everyone else they have to pay a portion of their health insurance.
Right to work means you can get a job and the choice not to join the union. Democrats freedoms such as choice. If some want statues removed it shouldnt just be a few malcontents decisions, it should go to a vote.
@Deplorable Me:
As mentioned above, my expectations of a reasonable argument from you is pretty much underwater but I suppose you’re referring to The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 which passed the Senate 95 to 4? If not, please expound. If so, what precisely is your argument over this overwhelmingly bipartisan legislation?
I wouldn’t expect for you to accept opinions and spin from Crooks and Liars or Dailykos or such so don’t expect me to give credence to your unhinged Trump supporting spinsters as they’ve been debunked so many times it’s a joke to even read them.
You’re Covid/opening the economy gibberish is simply the nonsense you’ve been programmed to help sell from the Trump enabling propaganda machine, void of substance or reality yet rich on spin and misinformation.
But as said, I should have know better.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Of course, you would deny the use of any link that didn’t pander to the left. Odd that you would even object to those links considering you provided NO links wanting others to believe you created your list of 42 items.
Perhaps you should also take a good hard look at the agency heads you slam under Trump to see who was their counterpart under Obama. For your enlightenment, here is just one agency’s records under Obama:
https://lists.grabien.com/list-epa-scandals-under-obama-administration
@kitt:
The left certainly has turned on the police unions. I guess they’re now torn between supporting unions or destroying the police. Of course, by and large police unions are endorsing Trump, so they are not useful to the Demcorats.
@Ronald J. Ward:
Yes, I am. All that matters here is Biden’s support and vote. See, you can’t have your hypocrisy both ways; either you believe blacks deserve to be treated like any other criminal or you believe they are treated like criminals simply because they are black. You, like other Democrats, like to have different positions depending upon the audience. So, Biden just LOVES him some black people (defined as blacks that vote for him, of course), but he also just LOVES putting them in jail.
Naturally, and totally true to form, you respond with nothing but, “I’m right and you’re wrong, so there, nya, nya, nya.” You’ve supported and believed no one BUT liars and criminals, no surprise you would continue.
I know it’s easy to think this so soon after the disastrous catastrophe that was the Obama administration, but Trump has been one of the best Presidents in modern history. Unlike others, he has not fled from serious problems, being satisfied to pass them on to the next guy. Small wonder the elitist, establishment professional politicians want an HONEST President gone.
@retire05:
I suppose I could have linked each of the dated damning things Trump’s done to the American worker rather than you picking out 1 you might disagree with to check out for yourself.
Maybe Eugene Scalia is a worker friendly guy after all and Trump never weaken OSHA or signed an EO preventing class action suits against banks that steal from their customers because of your inability to open your eyes to an easy Google search.
Let’s blame it on Biden as after all, he had 40 years to fix it.
@Ronald J. Ward:
You could have, now and in the past. But you never provide links. Apparently you’re afraid they would be discredited.
Actually, Biden had 44 years to clean up his mess. Without looking up the answer, can you even name one notable bill that Biden authored and got passed? Did you like the high tech lynching he, and his best bud Teddy Kennedy, performed on Clarence Thomas? The videos are still on YouTube if you care to be informed.
Frankly, I feel sorry for Jim Crow Joe. He was never the sharpest tack in the box, but now he’s not even in the box. His family should be ashamed to put him in the public’s eye where his disability is in plain view.
@retire05: Biden is intended to sit on Soros’ lap while he pulls the string to move Biden’s jaw as Soros speaks.
@retire05:
Is that the criterion for becoming president? How many bills did Trump author and get passed before he became president?
Ever since Thomas himself coined the phrase, “high-tech lynching” has done a disservice to those who were actually lynched.
@Michael: I think Justice Thomas has the right to use the term in any way he wishes.
@Deplorable Me:
Sure he does. He has the same freedom of speech anybody else has. But if he’s going to look at someone trying to stand in the way of his promotion from one prestigious lifetime-tenure job to another, slightly more prestigious lifetime-tenure job and compare that to an actual extrajudicial execution, then I don’t have to take what he says seriously.
What we can conclude from that is that Democratic partisan loyalty is not blind.
What the GOP has become now is what the southern Democratic Party was then.
@Michael:
So it’s OK with you if Democrats disparage a black man and try to ruin his reputation for no cause other than he is considered (by Biden and Kennedy) to be an “uppity” black man? And you, who never walked in Thomas’ shoes, or went through what he went through as a black man, support actual racism when committed by Democrats?
Got it.
@Michael: He used the term to describe what was being done to him. Of course, Democrats did the same thing to Kavanaugh. Seems the urge to lynch is inherent in Democrats.
@Greg: We can conclude Democrat hypocrisy and dishonesty is enormous.
@retire05:
Do you understand the vast distinction between what you have described here and an actual lynching?
In Thomas’s situation, he doesn’t get a promotion at work. In an actual lynching, the guy is dead.
@Deplorable Me:
???
I know. That’s the only reason we’re having this interaction.
It was crazy what almost happened to Thomas and Kavanaugh, isn’t it?! They almost didn’t get a promotion at work!! That was close!!
@Michael: The Democrats invented lies to destroy their lives to achieve a political end. Yeah… kind of a shame.
@Deplorable Me:
I guess that depends on who you’re talking to. Both instances are still up for debate.
@Michael: Yeah, it depends on if you are talking to someone that condones gross lying (Democrat) or a human being.
@Michael:
Destroying a man’s reputation wrongly can take a man’s life. Too bad you leftists don’t understand that. But hey, as long as it is Democrats doing the destroying, no harm, no foul where you are concerned.
@retire05:
No. You don’t get that one, unless you give me “Not clapping at the end of a jazz solo can cause the heat death of the universe, and if you don’t clap, there’s a real chance that everyone will die. For reals.”
You need to stop comparing what happened to Thomas and Kavanaugh to actual, somebody-is-dead-at-the-end lynching.
@Michael:
A man who takes his own life because he has had his reputation, and his life, wrongfully, and willfully destroyed by others is just as dead-at-the-end as your example. And if what Biden and Kennedy tried to do to Clarence Thomas was not a “high tech” lynching attempt, what would you call it?
You are f**king certifiable.
@retire05:
“Who takes his own life.”
“Who takes his own life.”
A man may choose to take his own life if his reputation is ruined. The difference between that an actual lynching is that the victim is being killed against his will. He doesn’t get to choose anything in that scenario.
Well, I wouldn’t call it a lynching. A lynching is an extrajudicial execution. First of all, Thomas’s life was never in danger. Second, there was nothing extrajudicial about the process at all. Everything was done according to the rules of the Senate–the actual Judiciary Committee, in fact.
There was nothing about this that resembled a lynching.
Words have particular meanings. You don’t get to use them any-which-way and be taken seriously.
@Michael:
Of course not. That would be to concede the issue of what Justice Thomas said.
And you know that how? Have you watched all of the hearings? Are you a Senatorial parliamentarian?
@Michael:
I have as much right to apply a meaning to any word that suits me just as the left does on a regular basis. Hell, the left wing of the SCOTUS just ruled that a word in legislation does not mean what the word was intended to mean but has an actual new meaning. If you lefties can change the meaning of words at will, so can anyone else.
@retire05:
Oh, my God.
Face it: the term you want to use to describe Thomas’s hearing doesn’t fit the situation in any way. It didn’t then, and it doesn’t now. The more you follow this line of argument, the more you reveal that you literally have no understanding of what lynching is and how it differs from somebody saying mean things to somebody else. I’m sure there are other terms you could use to describe what happened that don’t make you look ignorant. Why don’t you use one of those instead?
@retire05:
Well, as long as you’re admitting that you’re totally making up your own definition to the word and using it in this discussion, I guess that’s something. It’s not much, but it’s something.
@Michael:
It isn’t my term. It is the term that Justice Thomas used himself. He felt he was in the process of being lynched. The process of lynching (person, rope, tree) has to be completed before there is a death from being lynched.
Perhaps you are black. And perhaps someone tried to lynch you. At that point, you have a right to dispute Thomas’ feelings.
And again, as is usual with you, you failed to answer the question; are you a Senatorial parliamentarian?
My guess is you are just a product of some third rate university that only cranks out stupid, indoctrinated clones.
@retire05:
…And killing Thomas was never on the table. Perhaps you didn’t know that. That fact would not surprise me.
If he had not been confirmed, Thomas would simply have gone back to his prestigious, life-tenured job as a Federal judge. Same with Kavanaugh. They were looking for promotions at work, not fighting for their lives. I can’t wrap my mind around the idea that you don’t understand the difference between a Senate hearing and an actual lynching, where a person winds up dead at the end.
(As an aside, lynching doesn’t require hanging the victim; any extrajudicial execution by a mob is a lynching.)
I’m not black, and I’m not disputing his feelings. I’m disputing what happened. What is it you guys like to say again? Oh, yes: “Facts don’t care about your feelings.”
No, I’m not. Are you? If I’m not qualified to say anything about the thoroughly-documented proceedings because I’m not a Senatorial parliamentarian, then neither are you.
And my guess, based on interacting with you for a few years now, is that you dropped out of continuation high school and have since forgotten most of whatever little you did learn while you were there. And then suffered a traumatic brain injury. And are now in the throes of late-stage Alzheimer’s.
See? I can hurl insults, too.
@Michael:
Well, of course you come from a position where lying and trying to destroy a man’s reputation, family and life is just the means to an end, when aimed at an opponent, so naturally you wouldn’t see it that way. But, make no mistake; those were lynching, a public and unsubstantiated destruction of a person’s life. They just failed, that’s all.
@Deplorable Me:
If that were the definition of “lynching,” then you might be on track to having a point, but, since it isn’t, we’re right back where we were before you weighed in.
@Michael: It was a metaphoric lynching, as in a racist mob enacting mob justice without factual proof of any wrongdoing. But, you like pollical lies that attempt to destroy people’s lives… because, desperation.
@Deplorable Me:
I’m not particularly feeling any desperation right now, as the Trump administration appears to be imploding.
@Michael: Oh perhaps you are not, the leaders of your Party bow to ZOD er anarchists and cop killers. You are quite disposable to them for the marxist goals. What next in Minneapolis The Reichstag Fire Decree ?
We see how well its working for CHAZ or CHOP not exactly mommys basement when bullets begin to fly. Their requested Gestapo isnt exactly keeping the peace.
The democrats are crumbling at all levels, a Presidential Candidate that cannot form a complete thought to city coucels that bow to commands of brown shirt wanna-bes. Those in CHAZ are your future, they must all hold college degrees and will expect their well educated demands be met. After all they gave them a degree, they, now like the strawman of OZ, know everything.
Jokes on you.
@Michael:
Just the usual propaganda in lieu of any actual platform or improvement.
Trump won’t win.
Trump was aided by Russia.
Trump is “impeached”.
Trump didn’t shut down the country soon enough.
Trump hates black people…
Trump’s campaign is “imploding”…
*yawns*
Why don’t you just say Trump is an alien?
Trump wins the popular vote and EC in November. Get used to it now…so you don’t implode later.
@Ronald J. Ward: Wow!. That’s a list of bad stuff! I guess Trump is a bad guy.
Who can I vote for instead of him? What’s the Democrat candidate, again?
Just promise me your candidate can:
a) complete a sentence.
b) Not pander to blacks
c) Not make his son rich with his own political influence.
Your list is all partisan rhetoric and completely dismissed.
I’ll vote for Trump, because Biden isn’t a serious candidate.
@Michael: Desperate people do desperate things. Inciting riots, standing aside and allowing looting, supporting the riots and looting, supporting and encouraging the destruction of historical monuments, the use of pollical violence and terrorism; in totalitarian regimes, this is all normal fare. I the United States, it is the desperate acts of a desperate party, on that has a very weak and incompetent candidate facing a candidate that tears formidable candidates to pieces.
@Nathan Blue:
I’ve said several times that Trump could commit crimes against humanity, even to his own fellow Americans, in broad daylight and on live TV and his cultist would still back him.
And just this weekend, he openly admitted on live TV and to a disappointing 6K of his cultists, that he intentionally impeded testing for COVID19 because it would push the numbers up and possibly hurt his reelection chances.
That’s beyond sinister. It is in fact a crime against humanity. He’s literally causing more people to die and ruining our economy for no more than his very own personal interest. There is no other logical conclusion and the admission came from his own mouth- on more than one occasion.
Yet, here you are again supporting him to the end while somehow blaming or pointing at Democrats, just as you’ve repeatedly did before in which I’ve repeatedly predicted each time.
Fortunately, as we saw from the low attendance at his Klan rally as well as other indicators, people are starting to see the real Trump.
@Ronald J. Ward: I watched the rally, Im sure you did not. He was joking asshole he cracked up the crowd. When did Creepy Biden ever get over 6 thousand in attendance for any rally ever, he is lucky to fill a youth center. Truth Trumps team made the testing numbers possible.
As far as someone shooting a person on a public street Biden could do it and the news would ask Why Trump did that.(example Ukraine)
@Ronald J. Ward:
But that is merely your opinion based on your own racist hatred, something you have proven time and time again.
@kitt:
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2020/06/21/trump-admitted-to-a-crime-against-humanity-last-night-and-no-he-wasnt-joking/?fbclid=IwAR1G3YuGW4ngxou3Yl4_6MTE7ydPhX_XKC3B-7HkdubC6qFsxFCwIzIbfUo#.XvCdcGGyDMA.facebook
@Deplorable Me:
Is Ronald J. Ward a person of color? If he’s not, I don’t know how his intense dislike of Trump could be a product of “racist hatred.”
You suggest that the ever-Trumpers’ adulation is not unqualified. Okay, I’ll bite: what would Trump have to do for you to turn against him?
@Michael:
Why should anyone answer your questions when you, yourself, refuses to answer questions put to you?
@retire05:
A) I’ve answered all the questions you’ve put to me, you demented fool, even when you yourself forgot that you asked them. Check through the last couple of threads in which you and I have interacted.
B) Shut up, you demented fool.
@Michael:
Oh, I missed your response to my question. I know it hurts your feelings that I don’t sit around waiting on your posts.
Here was your initial statement:
I then asked if you were a Senatorial parliamentarian. You finally responded:
What you don’t admit is that your original statement was not based on any knowledge of Senatorial parliamentarianism. It was your opinion, nothing more. An opinion you are not qualified to proffer. And then, you make the declarative statement that I do not have a right to say anything about the “thoroughly-documented proceedings” because am not a Senatorial parliamentarian, without any information to back that up or not knowing my knowledge of Senatorial parliamentarian rule.
You are nothing more than an unknowing arrogant ass who supports the party of racism. My guess is you are just a product of some third rate university that only cranks out stupid, indoctrinated clones.
Nothing you have ever posted changes that.
@retire05:
A) If you were the Senate Parliamentarian, you would have said so.
B) You are too ignorant and, frankly, slow-witted to hold a job like Senate Parliamentarian.
If you’re a current or former Senate Parliamentarian, go on the record with it now. Are you Charles Watkins, Floyd Riddick, Murray Zweben, Robert Dove, Alan Frumin, Robert Dove, Alan Frumin, or Elizabeth MacDonough? If so, prove it. If not, for God’s sake, zip your lip on the topic.
@Michael:
You want my CV? OK, Bubba, you first.
@retire05:
Well, I’ve never been Senate Parliamentarian. Your turn. Are you now, or have you ever been, Parliamentarian of the United States Senate? That’s the only part of your résumé I’m interested in learning about.
@Michael:
You want my CV? OK, Bubba, you first.
A CV doesn’t include what you have NOT done, moron.
You are just a product of some third rate university that only cranks out stupid, indoctrinated clones. Yep.
@retire05:
That is the most transparent bit of deflection I’ve ever seen you perform. It’s embarrassing to observe. It’s like watching a little kid who has been caught red-handed doing something he shouldn’t, but who still tries to jailhouse-lawyer his way out of the trouble.
You argue yourself into these corners, and you flop about pathetically in an attempt to bluff and bluster your way out, and you think that something like your last comment will be like a smoke bomb in a Scooby-Doo cartoon, enabling you to sidle away while nobody sees. It’s adorable.
Anyway, I’m not Senate Parliamentarian and you’re not Senate Parliamentarian. In order not to be a complete tool, you either need to rescind your ad hoc rule that only Senate Parliamentarians may say anything about the conduct of the Thomas hearing, or you need to end your own opining, since you weren’t Senate Parliamentarian, either.
I’ll go with whichever one you choose.
@Michael:
I know you follow the ideology of throwing false accusations around and pretending (when convenient) that anything said or done in the past doesn’t matter, but AJ’s racism goes way back.
In addition, AJ is a liar. He lies about what people have said and didn’t say, all in an effort to, like you, support a totally degenerate ideology.
He could promote polices that favor non-citizens over taxpaying citizens. He could denigrate the military. He could support domestic terrorism. He could promote economic policies which punishes businesses for being successful and, thus, destroys jobs. He could promote and support racism.
In other words, he could become a Democrat and I would no longer support him.
@Michael:
Like the child you are, you can only use equations pertaining to children.
Huh? Explain yourself, child.
Would you like to provide the verbatim quote where I said what you are claiming?
Why? Do you feel like you’re on the losing end of this “discussion?”
And you know that how?
@retire05:
Okay. Are you now, or have you ever been the Parliamentarian of the United Senate?
@Michael:
You want my CV? OK, Bubba, you first.
@retire05:
I hope you’re at least ashamed of yourself.
I’m sure glad the Trump Admin put its foot down over the BHAZ attempt to pull down the statue of President Andrew Jackson in DC.
Someday people may realize what we’ve lost in allowing these babies having tantrums to pull down and destroy so many historic statues around our country.
Babies having tantrums is not a reason to get their way.
In fact, it is really bad parenting to give in to a baby having a tantrum.
BLM and Antifa are filled with useful idiot emotion-ridden babies having tantrums.
Their puppet masters incite them thru paid leadership.
@Nan G: They are doing the same thing the Palestinians and Hamas does; provoke a violent response, then whine and cry about being treated “mean”. But, a violent response is now the only response and it will take several examples before those being used as the useful idiots begin to see that it’s not as much fun as they were told it would be.
As many in the world have pointed out, taking down statues and re-writing history is the first step in Communist Control.
Next its going to be certain movies you can’t watch…oops…that’s already happening (GWTW).
The current situation is a Communist takeover of the United States by the corrupted Democrat Party. It’s happening.
@Nathan Blue: Well, they can’t find any books to burn.
@Michael:
Facts don’t persuade morons.