The Wuhan Corona virus continues to spread. The exact mode is still in some debate. While droplet transmission is not in question, there is disagreement about transmission via aerosolization. More recently doctors like Marc Siegel on Fox opine that the virus is spread by symptomatic patients coughing or sneezing upon others. So how do we fight this other than accommodating the obvious steps?
There are divergent paths to be considered: the ones in which countries are seeing fewer cases and deaths and those which continue to see them rising.
Forget China and pay no attention to anything happening there. They lie about everything. China stopped reporting mild cases in February and are under-reporting cases now.
Japan and Korea seem to have a relatively good handle on the disease.
In Japan masks for all seems to be a very good policy
Masks seems to be why Tokyo is business as usual without lockdowns or quarantines: “An 80% compliance rate [in wearing face masks] essentially eliminated the influenza outbreak.” https://t.co/xvdXGs9fJg pic.twitter.com/QsYnuOL8en
— Wrath Of Gnon (@wrathofgnon) March 22, 2020
From the study cited:
It was found that a 50% compliance in donning the device resulted in a significant (at least 50% prevalence and 20% cumulative incidence) reduction in risk for fitted and unfitted N95 respirators, high-filtration surgical masks, and both low-filtration and high-filtration pediatric masks. An 80% compliance rate essentially eliminated the influenza outbreak. The results of the present study, as well as the application of the model to related influenza scenarios, are potentially useful to public health officials in decisions involving resource allocation or education strategies.
Here is the link to the study and others.
The fastest growing venue for COVID 19 in the US is New York City. IMO, it is because of one thing- mass transit.
People are jammed together in trains, subways and buses and are at high risk for contracting the virus should an infected individual be on board. Realistically, mass transit can’t be halted but there are measures which can and should be taken.
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N95 masks for everyone
I know there is a shortage of masks but at some point this will be resolved. The earliest supplies should first be sent to NYC and other urban areas which see continued increase in viral loads and then on to rural areas. Everybody should get one. They can be reused if properly decontaminated.
2. Take the temperature of all trying to board mass transit
Won’t be easy, but even if done on a revolving basis can limit exposures.
3. Limit the number of riders on any train, bus or subway to ensure “social distancing”
Again, a real inconvenience but necessary.
4. Refuse boarding to symptomatic people
This should be completely unnecessary but unfortunately it is.
In the meantime people should continue to observe all of the CDC recommendations.
And frankly, isolate Bill DeBlasio and keep him quarantined and keep him in isolation and out of public contact until this crisis is past. Andrew Cuomo is doing a good job. DeBlasio need to get out of the way.
DrJohn has been a health care professional for more than 30 years. In addition to clinical practice he has done extensive research and has published widely with over 70 original articles and abstracts in the peer-reviewed literature. DrJohn is well known in his field and has lectured on every continent except for Antarctica. He has been married to the same wonderful lady for over 30 years and has three kids- two sons, both of whom are attorneys and one daughter on her way into the field of education.
DrJohn was brought up with the concept that one can do well if one is prepared to work hard but nothing in life is guaranteed.
Except for liberals being foolish.
As liberals blame Trump for everything from not doing anything to doing everything wrong, one wonders why the far-sighted, critically thinking, pro-active minded liberals that run ALL these big cities didn’t have enough masks for masses of people packing into tight housing and transportation? Why did Cuomo decide buying solar panels instead of the ventilators he so desperately needs now was a good idea?
People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones… but the stupidest of them can’t help themselves.
It appears that with almost MINIMAL precautions, the spread of this disease can be stopped pretty quickly and easily. Getting people to take these precautions is the trick. It’s like they have to see someone die before they take it seriously. We see the idiots that went to the beach spread the virus like wildfire. THESE are the kids that think they can tell us worthless “boomers” how to fix the world.
I saw an online question about what have you learned from the coronavirus outbreak. I don’t think I have LEARNED so much as I have had so many things CONFIRMED.
Here is what I wrote in another thread:
Frankly, I’m a little sick of the daily Cuomo pressers. What does it serve for him to talk about his family and the meaning of words, as if the people he serves are just stupid? It seems to serve no purpose other than him enjoying the sound of his own voice. Just the facts, Gov. Cuomo, just the facts.
There are two states with greater populations than New York; California and Texas. Are we seeing what those states are doing to slow down the rate of China virus infection and dealing with those that are already sick by televising their governors pressers? Nope; it’s all New York all the time. Guess flyover county is not important to those running the major channels.
When I watch the news being televised from New York, I see people just walking around together, 2-3 at a time, not staying 6 feet away from each other. Here in my local,. people are hunkered down, not leaving their homes unless absolutely necessary, and friends are shopping for their older friends who are in greater risk leaving groceries at the door step. Our state’s biggest grocer chain has installed a “Favor Shopping” program where volunteers are shopping for seniors over 60 and delivering the groceries to the front door. Also, our governor has asked construction companies that are now shut down but have N-95 masks in stock to donate those masks to a local hospital and the construction industry has stepped up to the plate and are doing just that.
Walmart, CVS, Walgreens and Target are all offering drive thru testing in my state unless their are in small rural towns with no drive thru.
We can beat this thing but don’t use the China virus to promote a politician.
When Washington State was the hot spot, we were not subjected to daily briefings from their governor. Nor have we been subjected to daily briefings from Gavin Newsom. So why is Fox promoting Cuomo? It is clear to me that Cuomo is running for POTUS. He, as the majority of the nation, knows that Biden is a weak candidate.
N95 masks for everyone? Does someone have 3M stock? The sewing brigade should make washable surgical masks Lg Med and small for family and friends, it helps the user from spreading their own viruses to others. There are free patterns you can download. In metro areas this can become a fashion statement.
I would ask the Governors what standards have to be met before the tyrants let us out of our houses, as there will always be viruses. Zero Bat flu? the Swine and Bird flu are still circulating.
Yep, this is a ‘novel’ virus….so was the swine flu, SARS, ebola and the like……serious like the rest of them, but massive overreaction that is going to tank the economy likely worse than we have seen in this century (and maybe the last)……look at what is already happening, “The FED” is already instigating trillions of “recovery” funds, buying up US debt and setting the guidelines on how these funds can be used……..let’s just remember that “The FED” is a PRIVATE conglomerate of banks having Zero to do with the Federal government…..Private Banks, whose first matter of business is to their Private Boards whose primary responsibility is to their Private Investors……there is NO “US Central Bank”..it is a complete and deliberate misnomer……
As to the use of masks, depends completely on the type of mask…….most are completely worthless in the context of a virus…
Let’s just remember that the good old common flu is moving around with a mortality rate of 7.1 just slightly less than the considered epidemic level of 7.3 far above that of this Chinese virus…down to around 1 here in the US, I believe, from last CDC report…
Urban Japanese people routinely wear surgical masks in public at the first sign of an allergy or cold. They think it’s very inconsiderate of others not to do so. Masks don’t even get a second glance. This was the norm long before coronavirus.
@racewizard: What I think is retarded is buying our own debt a good move but companies buying back their own stock is bad? The Fed is completely unconstitutional and the biggest most dangerous example of congress delegating their sole powers to others, transfer of wealth to the already mega wealthy.
Kennedy talking openly about the government taking back this power may have got his brains blown out, just one of the theories but a compelling one.
@Greg: Silly boy, masks do not protect the people wearing them because they are not leak fitted. Masks protect others because many of the pathogens are collected on the inside of the mask. You continue to show your ignorance greggie.
@retire05: Cuomo was stating that over 80% that get the virus recover. Death rates are low. Wearing masks helps. Is he “downplaying” the risks? Sure sounds like it, since he is saying what Trump was saying to try and reduce fear and panic (with Democrats coming up right behind him calling him a liar and implying everyone that gets the disease will die). When will some “journalist ask Cuomo what he can say to those who died? How about asking him if he thinks buying solar panels instead of ventilators was a bad idea? No, the liberal media hold liberals to a much, much, much lower standard.
@racewizard:
With Democrats doing all they can to make it worse. The Senate worked over the weekend to hammer out a bipartisan recovery plan, then the drunken sot Nancy waltzes in from her alcohol-fuel recess binge and just shits all over it, shutting it down. Then Schumer blocks a revote. The prove beyond any argument all they care about is making the conditions worse so they can blame it on Trump and pretend to save us… from THEM.
The virus travels on a medium… something emitted in a cough or sneeze. Most masks would keep YOUR infection in and THEIR infection out.
@Greg: So, why didn’t the liberals running the large, crowded cities not prepare for this, have millions of masks ready for distribution (or the residents themselves having their own stock) since they have such explicit examples of how to act in a crisis? I guess they are all stupid, incompetent and con men… right?
@Randy, #7:
To varying degrees masks can do both, but protection is not perfect in either case. A simple bit of cloth over your nose and mouth might catch someone else’s infected sneeze droplet that you would otherwise have inhaled. It would improve your odds of remaining uninfected.
@Greg: Greg, surgical masks are totally worthless in the context of a virus……even the CDC and Johns Hopkins have noted this, however, they Do protect others against a sneeze which has larger droplets, so agree on that…
@Greg: Tell that to OSHA when they fine you as a medical tech for wearing unapproved respiratory protection. There are regulations and standards for what everyone calls masks.
Democrats, Pelosi et al, are getting people killed and breaking the economy because they can’t do their jobs and get a bill passed.
@Greg: Japan has a high population density, with Almost 37 million people live in the Greater Tokyo-Kanto which is made up of Tokyo and the areas that are surrounding the city only shows about 1000 cases for the entire country.
Do you think they do not have as many international travelers as NY, of course not.
Perhaps we should study countries that have lower infection rates and have not told people they cant go out and earn a living, for the next new virus that circulates.
Sorry you get slapped even when agreeing with us or pointing out the captain obvious facts.
@Deplorable Me: yes, on the point of the masks where coughs or sneezes are implied, it is still minimal but better than nothing…….on transmission through the air one breathes though, worthless……another note, those who should know are not even sure just how this virus is actually transmitted…it’s still conjecture at the moment, they admit it themselves…….so this matter of “Dick has the virus, doesn’t know it “…….Dick believes he is perfectly healthy……Dick meets up with Jane and Sally…..all three eat lunch in the cafeteria and spread the virus to every person in there at the time…..this is also conjecture….the ‘researchers’ have yet to compile such research, but its a great way to keep people worried and stay home…………………
@Randy, #11:
Imperfect filtration can be better than nothing at all.
@kitt:
If you’re a health care professional you don’t have the luxury of thinking that
@kitt: not quite following your first point about buying back our own debt is bad, etcetra,? We are Not buying back our own debt……the FED is Not US. (relative to government)….OK…so that does not compare with companies buying back their own stock…..the FED/US Central Bank is a private group of bankers and investors, no matter what is otherwise insinuated.. debt that is “bought up”, money “pumped into the economy” are both BORROWED dollars, which translates into massive additional Interest which the US government has to pay back to the FED on top of the interest on the national debt it is already paying……still….that is better than China buying up the debt which these fools in Washington have allowed to happen…
@racewizard: We’ve seen incidents where people were in contact with infected people but tested negative. It doesn’t appear to me to be all that viral. Initially people got it out of ignorance that it was out there. Now people are getting it (and spreading it) out of ignorance of how to behave. But relatively simple measures seem to be very effective.
@Greg: No response, huh? Just difficult to explain your own hypocrisy, isn’t it?
@kitt, #13:
The Japanese have abundant masks, people who routinely wear them out of courtesy to others, and high personal and public hygiene standards as a central cultural value. Here, half of the male population doesn’t bother to wash its hands after visiting a public restroom. Sad and unpleasant to consider, but true.
@DrJohn: True, and THAT’S where all the top-grade masks and equipment should be going. Everyone else can get by with a dust mask while maintaining social distancing, I think.
@DrJohn: Yes the N95s should be reserved for those working with the ill.
Doing my best to avoid the health care professionals.
We shouldnt be sharing our germs, other than a plastic bubble what can be a reasonable option. The disposable surgical masks just add volume to the landfills, and if paper kill trees, it isnt easy being green.
@racewizard: #17, The debt and printing money to buy back debt causing inflation for another thread. We are in total agreement about the F’n Fed. By the looks of the market today buying back debt isnt helping.
@Greg: Can it? How about breathing the moist contaminated air inside of the mask where bacteria love to live and multiply. Bacteria may cause reduction of immunity. You ignorance contuse to be evident! Quit while you are just a joke greggie..
@retire05:
because andrew is bing grommed for the next dnc presidental run
@Deplorable Me: #18 Absolutely…..but it is being insinuated by the ‘medical community’ that simply having the virus in ones body is enough to contaminate someone standing in front of them…….personally believe this is BS….we have a myriad of bacteria and viruses in our bodies at any one time and are walking contaminants, but there has to be a point where a carried virus actually becomes infectious to someone else with no symptoms shown in the carrier…..or so would think……..possibly all this is being permeated simply to keep people off the streets but the ultimate result will be whether the steps taken to contain the virus result in far more harm done than the virus itself..
@kitt: #22…..Yes, a tread for another day…
@Randy: In Gregs defense (it wont happen much)
Japan where wearing the surgical mask is normal, only have a few over 1000 cases, so breathing your own germs and bacteria doesnt seem to be additionally harmful.
It does keep people from coughing into their hand and touching something you may touch, its all about minimizing spread if you maybe ill and not showing symptoms or think it is just a cold, not keeping yourself safe.
Those that are fully exposed to people who are sick should be wearing the N95 if they start with everyone there wont be enough for those at highest risk, that we need at the front lines.
Gee, why did we think we had enough N95 masks to meet the crisis?
https://www.waynedupree.com/obama-masks-trump-coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2qzcJMEa15Tt30kB3j-mvQmqpGlB-4PaWEtp_fRbx2bv_EK_u1UDGTX1I
@Nathan Blue:
Have you bothered to take a look at what the actual objection is. Does the idea of a half a trillion dollar blank check of our money to the Secretary of Treasury Steven Terner Mnuchin (previously an American investment banker) which doesn’t even need to have the spending documented sound just a tad bit, well, not so business like?
Oh, and then most of the rest is pretty much a gift for the rich.
This is an great time to have Democrats in who are preventing a huge heist from the wealthy taking advantage of a crises, Today’s Republican/Russian party are indeed an evil lot.
@Deplorable Me: That was 11 years ago the supply guy should have reordered, not any presidents fault, it was the guy that once the masks were dispersed never did what was needed to resupply, or rotate as needed. Most likely these masks if replaced would be expired by now.
Looking forward the issue is being handled, its a damn shame it was allowed to get the way it was, better management going forward.
@Ronald J. Ward: Give actual examples of what is in the bill or just stop, the Democrats dont think they are robbing the taxpayer enough and will go on a pork spending spree full of BS. Then point at the Senate when it is rejected. Friggin games. A CLEAN BILL
Dr. John,
I don’t always agree with your politics, but your medical perspective on COVID-19 is spot- on. Thanks for this article.
Might I suggest your next revelation be a critical examination of the decision to limit COVID-19 testing in high-infection states. The point is well taken that there is no cure as yet, and for that reason, testing doesn’t influence treatment, but limiting testing to health professionals deceives the public into thinking that infection rates are lower than they really are. It also under-reports deaths from the virus, since without diagnostic proof of the cause of death, some will be reported as “unknown” or some other category that may or may not be included in the virus’ official tally. If the public is convinced by misleading statistics that the virus has peaked and is on the way out, it will relax its efforts to protect itself, and the virus will reestablish its progress through the population. This has now happened in Hong Kong, where vigilance was abandoned prematurely. We should not make that mistake.
Many masks seem to be made of a material like that of those disposable grocery bags.
As such it is NOT washable.
It would turn to goo instead.
But cloth masks are washable.
You can even boil them.
If you have been in any JoAnn’s store you know they have about twenty to thirty sewing machines out to try (before you buy) .
They will donate the materials when people want to use any of their machines to sew up cloth masks.
Cloth masks are easy to make, too.
@Nan G: Getting them wet may not be needed https://www.cleaverscientific.com/electrophoresis/uv-sterilisation-cabinets-2
Make sure both sides are bathed in the light.
@kitt:
Well… YEAH. “Some guy”. Some guy that gets a government paycheck. Somebody whose JOB it was to have these supplies on hand. At some point, there were a sufficient supply of masks available, or in the event of an emergency, a sufficient quantity was ordered. But, this “guy” let it drop.
What do you want to bet that “guy” is still there, drawing his check, week in, week out, and there is NO accountability for this failure?
Of course, it’s not “some guy”… it’s an entire government agency. Their mindset is like Greg said; when asked to prepare for a crisis… their JOB… well, they didn’t get MORE money to do it. As if their actual “job” was to wait around for something to happen and IF something happened, they needed more people to handle the something.
The bottom line is, it isn’t Trump that didn’t prepare or failed to act, and if someone actually believes that, why aren’t they screaming about all the balls dropped by THEM?
The Democrats are holding the bill up, supposedly, to get stronger collective bargaining provisions and some of their green agenda shit. Like Biden did Ukraine, they are holding the American taxpayer hostage to get what they want. They simply want NO AID to come to the economy to keep it crashed until November. In AJ’s own words:
Yep. His words. His own words.
@kitt:
Have you read or seen a non-Fox version of the bill which was crafted by Republicans behind locked doors while Democrats were shut out? It’s a massive gift to the rich. There’s $500 billion dollars that Mnuchin (previously an American investment banker) can use anyway he sees fit and solely at his discretion. No questions, no accountability, however he wants. And then there’s another $350 billion exclusively for businesses but excludes non-profit businesses regardless of employees. There are no restrictions. Stock buy-backs? Fine. Foreign investments? Sure, why not. And even the rest meant for the average American is determined by their wealth so that in a lot of cases, the ones who need it the most and would immediately spend it (thus by definition- stimulus) would get little to none.
You justify the discussing robbery at a time of crisis by the McConnell corporately owned mob or you just stop.
Since you are wondering whose head should roll:
USA Today:
“In May 2018, President Donald Trump’s biodefense preparedness adviser warned that a flu pandemic was the country’s No. 1 health security threat, and the U.S. was not prepared.
“We know that it cannot be stopped at the border,” Luciana Borio, director of medical and biodefense preparedness at the National Security Council, said at a symposium that day.
Borio left the Trump administration in 2019. Other high-level global health experts headed for the exits even earlier, after the White House dismantled the National Security Council’s global health security office.
Trump chose Bolton to lead the National Security Council in April 2018. A month later, Bolton nixed the pandemic preparedness office as part of an effort to streamline the agency.”
This just in case trump is wondering why his administration seems a bit lite on pandemic experts. He claims now that he didn’t know this happened. Hard to believe that a stable genius would let so many important details of his government escape his attention. He must have been golfing at Mar Lago that day…
@Ronald J. Ward: You, like Greg, have no idea what jobs are, where they come from or how money is earned, do you? You are totally ignorant of the fact that when these businesses shut down, the jobs are gone; the former employees don’t just keep getting paid in perpetuity.
Democrats WEREN’T shut out; it was a bipartisan bill worked on all weekend. Only those who went home and got drunk, like Pelosi, were not involved. Perhaps it is YOU that needs different sources… or just to adhere to the truth instead of what you can make up to fit your prejudices.
But, as you yourself said:
Yep. YOUR words.
@George Wells: However, NO ONE ELSE decided to get prepared, either, did they? Not a city, state or nation on earth was prepared for this outbreak. Even if it were true that the Trump administration had some real information indicating an upcoming crisis that they failed to get ready for (wouldn’t it be nice to have the resources to be ready for anything that happened any time anywhere?), what is the explanation for EVERYONE ELSE being just as unprepared? Could it be that, like 9/11, what we have is a worst-case hypothesis that looked unlikely that actually came to pass?
But… what the hell. Let’s blame Trump for not being the smartest person on the planet and letting us all down. Why change strategy now?
@Deplorable Me: Looking forward , as in the Veterans Admin must be better accountability and management, but it wasnt Barrys job to do the ordering.
@George Wells:
Debunked over and over move on the people are still there, just answer to a different boss, that has the exact same responsibilities.
@Ronald J. Ward: Dont watch Faux, they are not in my preferred news feed. You make an ass out of yourself on a daily basis so just Stop you are the least amusing troll ever. Your reply had nothing not 1 thing from the bill except a dollar amount with no reference as to use.
@kitt:
You new rebuttal of “just stop” is amusing as you, like you cohort Deplorable have obviously run out of options as to how to protect your con-man and hero.
It doesn’t matter how low Republicans go to deliberately transfer the wealth to to Trump elites, even in a time of crises, you are there to defend. And when there’s nothing you can defend, enter stage right with “just stop”.
It would be interesting for you, perhaps even therapeutic, to scrap the scales from your eyes, pull away from the likes of Breitbart and ANON or Moonbattery.com or those one-liner Facebook memes/zingers and actually take a realistic view of what’s going on.
I know it’s a waste of time but here’s a few to get started. Oh, I don’t expect for you to convert or even agree. But it might give you at least some insight on what the hell you’re talking about.
The GOP’s coronavirus relief package is a dream for big corporations and a nightmare for struggling Americans
Pelosi Statement Ahead of Unveiling of Democrats’ Third Coronavirus Response Bill
GOP dusts off anti-Pelosi playbook as stimulus negotiations drag on
Democrats Should Vote Down Trump’s Corrupt Stimulus Slush Fund
This is why help for taxpayers is being held up by Pelosi.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/dan-crenshaw-posts-info-everyone-in-america-should-read-about-why-democrats-killed-emergency-relief-package?fbclid=IwAR1VLaiADnwYIbLAE12NZ0RUX4pmUFgp-0mE4bEm8mq0j4FUPG002uf9lJ8
Have you? If you have, please, provide us with a link to the text of the bill as it is not on the government website that tracks bills and provides texts.
Lies you seem to have swallowed hook, line and sinker. But then, you’re known for that, aren’t you?
NSA went from 100 personnel to over 400 under Obama. How’d that work out in 2009 when H1N1 poured across our nation and thousands died?
Go back to your Hobbit holes, ya’ll just purveyers of left wing rhetoric.
@Ronald J. Ward: You moron I have not mentioned the free renter in your head at all. Stop projecting your mental illness.
I think it would be great to send a prepayment of peoples tax refunds, increase unemployment payments only for those out of work.
I dont need a grand if it comes my way anyway I will do something evil with it, like buy stock in well established companies now that they are a bit under valued.
As you have proven you have zero knowledge of what is actually in the bill go take your Bernie Begging cup elsewhere.
@kitt: Make a contribution to the Trump campaign. That’s what liberals do; take taxpayer money and remit a portion of it to the DNC.
@Deplorable Me:
I don’t blame Trump at all. He’s just a man, and not quite the brilliant star he imagines himself to be. He can’t kill the virus, and because you are correct that no country was prepared for this one including ours, it would be nearly impossible for him to materially lessen its impact on us now. That ship sailed long ago. What he CAN do is make it worse, however, by lightening up on containment efforts in favor of sending people back to work prematurely. We know by example that that doesn’t work. Trump is so convinced that he will be reelected ONLY if the economy has recovered by November that he is willing for more people to die to make it so. That is where the crime will be, not in the missed opportunities that various mid-level bureaucrats were responsible for. So, as Trump’s administration voices have already been saying, don’t look so hard to find fault in the past. Not Trump’s not Obama’s, not Bush’s. There will be plenty of time for finger-pointing and recriminations once the dust has settled and 20-20 hindsight is established. Instead, be vocal about the mistakes that are being contemplated for political reasons, because many lives will be lost as a result if they are made. Republicans will be able to blame Democrats for disagreeing with their plans for economic recovery, but the actual, EXECUTIVE responsibility rests on Trump’s shoulders alone. If HE decides wrong, deaths will be on him, and in November that boogey-bird will come home to roost.
@Deplorable Me: @Deplorable Me:
In a very selfish ie capitalist way its exactly what I would be doing by helping the market bounce back, see how evil and devious my plan is? (insert evil laugh)
@George Wells:
You are definitely in the minority of Democrats. In fact, you may be the only one. The liberal media and political Democrats blame Trump exclusively, even dubbing the virus the “Trump virus”. Good that you agree that he is reacting just as everyone else is, probably better, and is no unique in not having all the necessary resources standing by and awaiting this crisis.
True. Good thing there is NO indication that might happen. Perhaps you can see the benefit to Trump, politically, to successfully end this crisis; I’m sure he does.
That, too is lacking any indication that it might be true. In case you haven’t noticed, even when Trump succeeds he is harshly criticized; imagine the reaction if he actually failed? Regardless of what happens, the liberal propaganda machine will deem it the worst outcome ever, but since NONE of Trump’s policies is responsible for this downturn (and Democrat rhetoric is responsible for making it far, far worse), Trump merely wants to have in place a massive stimulus to get the economy up and running again so EVERYONE can go back to work.
@George Wells:
At some point, Americans have to either return to work (younger adults don’t seem as susceptible to China virus as those over 60) or face a total collapse of our economy.
And you know that how? Your magic crystal ball? How do you know what is in any person’s heart? You don’t. You just “politely” spew left wing blather.
Americans, at least those paying attention, can do that now. Enhanced union bargaining power, more pork for green energy, every person with a student loan gets a forgiveness of $10,000, Obamaphones (yes, rearing its ugly head again), same day voter registration nation wide. What the hell does any of that have to do with China virus? Yet, in all your critique of Trump, you have not one disparaging word against the Democrats and their wish list of Socialist goals.
As usual, you have nothing of value to contribute here.
@George Wells:
The virus will still spread, so there is no time that Trump can lift the lockdown that his enemies can’t say it was “too soon”.
Respectfully, do you have any statements or proof to back that up? If no one blames Trump, and he’s running against Biden or Bernie, not much changes in the eyes of the electorate. I know there’s lots of Left leaning news bent on saying “Trump botched the response”, but there’s really not much to say that with confidence. The current lockdown has significantly reduced infections and deaths, and detractors can always say “you should have done it sooner”.
Recall that Dems called Trump a racist when he closed off China, so…Trump is damned if he does, damned if doesn’t.
Agreed. It’s wrong to “blame” the Dems as well, but the delay will be remembered by many in the electorate.
Keep in mind if he keeps the country locked down too long, the economy will be destroyed for years and the Dems WILL use that, blaming him for making the wrong decision.
I watched the press today, almost hopeful that Trump will lift the lockdown “early” and the virus will spread…so they can blame him. They have clear headlines they are trying to get him to talk his way into. Despicable.
Agree as well, and I challenge anyone to give me an example of more decisive, better executive in the Oval Office in the past 40 years. Reagan maybe, but Trump’s ability to be an Executive is why I voted for him, and he’s not dodged that duty once that I could tell. Today’s press conference was pretty good. He said he as a hard decision to make, but it’s his to make. He owns it.
There’s a sweet spot where we keep the virus at bay and keep the economy going. The Dems will use one or the other to get at Trump, no matter what decisions he makes.
Welcome back, George! I missed having any object and well-spoken, and well-thinking liberal to chat with.