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I was working at a gas station in 1969 when Neil Armstrong stepped onto the moon. In order to watch it, I brought along a TV complete with rabbit ears and watch it I did. I also watched Neil and Buzz Aldrin unfurl the American flag. It was kind a big moment and filled a lot of people with pride.

As a kid I was mesmerized by the space program. I even have a letter from Alan Shepard. There was a time I could rattle off the crews of all Mercury and Gemini and Apollo  flights. We watched the Enterprise make its first unpowered flight after separation from the 747. When we’re in Orlando we’ll usually make a trip to the Kennedy Space Center and spend the day.The fascination and wonder has never left me.



So when I heard about a new movie about Neil Armstrong, I was very pleased and looked forward to it. And then, bam.

There is nothing liberals cannot f**k up.

In the new movie “First Man” they decided to leave out the First Flag.

The late Neil Armstrong’s 1969 trip to the moon may have been “one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind,” but it was also a massive achievement for the United States.

One of Armstrong’s first orders of business was to proudly plant the American flag, after all.

But Ryan Gosling, the Canadian actor who plays Armstrong in “First Man,” Hollywood’s rendition of the moon landing, told the Telegraph the magic moment was intentionally omitted from the big screen because Armstrong’s achievement “transcended countries and borders.”

“First Man” is getting rave reviews at the Venice Film Festival, but critics noted the unpatriotically sanitized flick is missing something important, and Gosling explained he worked with French-Canadian director Damien Chazelle and the Armstrong family to decide on its key moments.

“I think this was widely regarded in the end as a human achievement (and) that’s how we chose to view it,” he said. “I also think Neil was extremely humble, as were many of these astronauts, and time and time again he deferred the focus from himself to the 400,000 people who made the mission possible.”

“He was reminding everyone that he was just the tip of the iceberg – and that’s not just to be humble, that’s also true,” Gosling said.

and then moron twists the knife

The actor admitted “I’m Canadian, so might have cognitive bias,” but he believes Armstrong didn’t think much of patriotism.

“So I don’t think that Neil viewed himself as an American hero,” Gosling told the Telegraph. “From my interviews with his family and people that knew him, it was quite the opposite. And we wanted the film to reflect Neil.”

Gosling is an a**hole. Armstrong was a quiet and humble man but he absolutely was patriotic.He served his country in the Korean war, flying 78 missions as a Naval aviator and then as a test pilot for NACA. He was selected as an astronaut candidate in 1962 and went on to be the commander of Gemini 8, along with Apollo 11. Gosling doesn’t know squat about Armstrong and is projecting his Canadian ass into places it does not belong. Armstrong did not believe himself to be a hero, but he sure as hell was a patriot.

He didn’t fly jets for Canada in the war. See what’s on Armstrong’s shoulder?

This movie “reflects” Armstrong by omitting the planting of the American flag?

Insert expletive here and follow it with “Gosling.”

What this movie does is hand a participation trophy to the rest of the world by essentially changing history. They’ve ruined it for me and probably many others. Today Ben Shapiro offered a view of the future portrayal of the momentous event at Iwo Jima if left to the Ryan Goslings of the world:

And 9-11 (courtesy @neontaster)

 

I am only surprised that they didn’t change Armstrong ‘s race and religion. You know, to be inclusive.

History is not about participation trophies.

 

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Not patriotic my ass

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I understand that the flag(s) on the moon are bleached white due to the solar radiation…future generations of space explorers will think the French landed there.

During those heady days we were in a SPACE RACE.
Globalists, commies and the PC crowd would have us forget that fact.
They are trying to sanitize all history.

What really shocked me was the de-homosexualizing of Freddie Mercury in the movie coming out soon, The Bohemian Rhapsody.
WHY?
It’s not like he was trying to fool anybody at the time!

P.C. Lines THAT WAS SMALL STEP FOR A HUMAN ONE GIANT STEP FOR HUMANKIND

Well at least his first step he didnt say ” Man is this groovy, I am so far out” “Does this suit make me look fat?”
There is a hole in the space station “Right now Alex has got his finger on that hole and I don’t think that’s the best remedy for it,” a voice explained. It wasn’t long before the astronauts had a better idea, and patched the hole with some epoxy and — you guessed it — duct tape. https://bgr.com/2018/08/31/international-space-station-leak-meteorite/

Another movie I won’t go see.

Canada has been anti America for over 60 years. 50 years ago I had several friends who thought dieing in JFK’s war was dumb. So they went Canada. Canada was against JFk’s war and said “Wellcome!”. For sure Canada hated America in ’63. For sure they still hat us!!

And What does Chuck Yeager say?

Where was this Movie produced ????? There are a lot of movies are being produced in china i would not be surprised if the chinese are a prt of this fiasco.

@kitt: Just because Gen. Yeager, who knew Armstrong, says so doesn’t mean it’s true. What’s true is what the left says is true. Remember, when dealing with the left, facts don’t count. Their opinion is what counts.

@another vet: The Canadians just want a participation trophy The splayed legs were produced from light-weight aluminum using a compressible honeycomb design by Quebec’s Heroux-DEVTEK, which won the NASA contract.
But Canadians forget they are Americans continent be damned.

@Grey Mobius: Absolutely excellent.

Armstrong declared, “One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.” because that is what America does; its productivity and generosity has benefited the entire world and without the United States, fascism or communism would most certainly have the entire world under its miserable thumb. However, the GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA sent him to say that and plant that FLAG. The fact that he did not plant the flag and state, “I claim this satellite in the name of the United States of America.” is just one of the MANY characteristics that makes America great and why the left should keep its filthy hands off it.

The US has been to the moon and back numerous times and Canada still calls sliced ham “bacon”.

@an ol exJarhead: I can’t agree that Vietnam was JFK’s war. It was the LBJ/CIA escapades. They eliminated JFK so they could get on with the war. JFK was already pulling the troops out when they eliminated him from the equation. The Deep State then proceeded unhindered.

So why did they use a man to play the part of Armstrong, if ‘they’ determined that Armstrong considered it an achievement of the ‘world’ and not of the USA, then why wasn’t it an achievement of women and not men? Why didn’t they use a guy riding a camel to get to the moon. After all, the message was ‘they got there’ not ‘how’ or ‘who’. Why did they leave the US flag on the uniform, why didn’t they put a UN symbol on it? If the people that produced this movie don’t have any more sense than they’ve displayed, surely they don’t care if the movie makes money, after all, they put out their message, that’s what was important. Right?

PS

I did have afiend willing to die for JFK! A “Froggy” named Cliff Walsh who was killed by the Chi Com 9/63 – 2 months before the USSR “sleeper” killed JFK.

REDTEAM

JFK ordered the invasion Summer ’62. It took place 1/63 (10 months before a bad Jar head killed him). I have been to the place where the invasion took place 3 times as a man wearing E,G+A.. The invasion was at Chu Lai and involved over 250,000 Navy and 15,000 Marines.

I was there 4 years after we invaded; THANK GOD!
Men die in AmPhib Landings in practice when no on is trying to kill them! Having Moa’s men in Feld Grau trying to kill me would have been no fun getting of a Duck.

Even while on land I still have , after 51 years, 3 scars given to me by dead Chi Com. A very belated thanks men (actually 1 may have been a Mongolian girl).

I hope this isn’t a case of conservatives working themselves up into a frenzy over a molehill.

I watched the trailer and it shows scenes of the American flag. So not sure if it’s much ado about nothing or not. Only way to know would be to actually go see it. Not sure if that will happen, only because I rarely get out to see movies, as it is.

@Wordsmith: Not to worry, we just venting a little, they are always trying to either erase or rewrite history to insure those who didnt watch it live, wont know America was and is great. The technicians at houston mission control all cheered and waved US flags. https://www.google.com/search?q=mission+control+waving+flags&client=firefox-b-1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiPjJ33q5vdAhUhzoMKHWLICEwQsAR6BAgFEAE&biw=1305&bih=625
Like the old song, Oh no they cant take that away from me.

@an ol exJarhead: May be a technicality, but the history books say the battle of Chu Lai started in August 1965, which would be a couple years after JFK was killed.
It is a well known fact that JFK started out to follow Eisenhower’s plans in VN until he figured out what was really happening so he had started withdrawing assistance from there. not long after he started ordering the withdrawal and the CIA saw that he was going against them, they decided something had to be done and that is when the decision was made that LBJ would be a lot more cooperative.

(actually 1 may have been a Mongolian girl).

that is kinda important, do you expect to find out one day?

(3) On October 11, the White House issued NSAM 263, which states:

The President approved the military recommendations contained in section I B (1-3) of the report, but directed that no formal announcement be made of the implementation of plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.

In other words, the withdrawal recommended by McNamara on October 2 was embraced in secret by Kennedy on October 5 and implemented by his order on October 11, also in secret. Newman argues that the secrecy after October 2 can be explained by a diplomatic reason. Kennedy did not want Diem or anyone else to interpret the withdrawal as part of any pressure tactic (other steps that were pressure tactics had also been approved). There was also a political reason: JFK had not decided whether he could get away with claiming that the withdrawal was a result of progress toward the goal of a self-sufficient South Vietnam.

http://bostonreview.net/us/galbraith-exit-strategy-vietnam

It’s also interesting to note that 2 days after JFK was killed, LBJ signed new orders reversing the orders to pull out and recommitted troops back to VN. Also, LBJ got to stay another term, which he would not have done had JFK lived.

@Grey Mobius: bleaching isn’t just caused by sunlight. It’s oxygen that is split by sunlight right at the surface of the dyed object. No oxygen on the moon. Not sure if just sunlight alone will bleach anything.

“First Man” might not actually be as anti-American as we’ve been led or misled into believing.

Even without the planting of the flag as a cinematic centerpiece and Gosling’s personal opinion, the movie might be a pro-American, patriotic movie worth seeing.

@Wordsmith: It is interesting, though, how someone would purposely delete such an important detail for the sake of trying to reform or even rewrite history. Or, did they just forget to have that in the movie and then made up an excuse to cover it? All in all, it is inexplicable.

@Deplorable Me: Do you or anyone know which conservative pundit first raised a red flag on this? Because that person may have misreported (well, not misreported the facts but just spun it) and created some torches and pitchforks on the conservative side, without anyone really knowing if the movie, in truth, has an anti-American or white-washing tenor and tone.

Here’s a review from the left-leaning New Yorker:

“First Man,” Reviewed: Damien Chazelle’s Neil Armstrong Bio-Pic Is an Accidental Right-Wing Fetish Object

When “First Man,” Damien Chazelle’s drama about Neil Armstrong’s mission to the moon, premièred at the Venice Film Festival, in August, it stirred up an absurd controversy among right-wing blowhards who hadn’t seen the film but nonetheless damned it on the basis of reviews stating that the movie doesn’t depict the iconic moment when Armstrong planted the American flag on the lunar surface. It’s true that the flag-planting isn’t dramatized, but the blowhards need not worry: “First Man” is worthy of enduring as a right-wing fetish object. It is a film of deluded, cultish longing for an earlier era of American life, one defined not by conservative politics but, rather, by a narrow and regressive emotional perspective that shapes and distorts the substance of the film.

The general notion of “First Man” is to offer a corrective to the myth of the passive astronaut, the idea that American space explorers were merely strapped in, sent up, photo-opped, and brought home. Chazelle emphasizes, from start to finish, the physical punishment of space flight and Armstrong’s extraordinary, seemingly unique capacity to endure it. The movie begins with Neil (we’ll call the character by his first name, to distinguish him from the historical Armstrong) flying under intensely stressful conditions: his breathing is labored, his craft violently shakes, and, suddenly, instead of landing as planned, he’s rising—“bouncing off the atmosphere,” a flight controller tells him. Neil is serving as a civilian test pilot for nasa, and he’s flying a plane at an unprecedentedly high altitude; when he finally regains control of it, he narrowly misses crashing.

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The work to which Neil is devoted, the mission to the moon, is unabashedly depicted as patriotic. There’s no flag-planting, but the planted flag is seen clearly, twice; the movie doesn’t stint on the distinctive Americanism of the action onscreen (including, in a scene of Armstrong ascending from the ground to the capsule of Apollo 11 in an elevator, a point-of-view shot that reveals, majestically, the words “United States” painted, vertically, on the side of the very tall rocket). Earlier, when another space mission is successfully completed, one astronaut bellows in Mission Control, “Call the Soviets—tell ’em to go fuck themselves.” After the successful Apollo 11 moon landing, a French woman is interviewed and says, “I always trust an American. I knew they wouldn’t fail.” There’s a culture war at the core of “First Man,” or, rather, several, and Chazelle doesn’t merely suggest that they exist historically; he takes sides in them, and he does so as much with what he silences as with what he depicts.

There is, for instance, the war of commercial kitsch against both high culture and youth culture. The Armstrong household is in the realm of kitsch: when Neil is home with Janet, thinking of the moon, he puts on a record of “moon music”—easy-listening music with strings, a piano, a theremin, and a choir. (It’s a real thing—it’s called “Lunar Rhapsody” and is part of a 1947 album by Les Baxter.) Neil is so attached to the music that he brings a cassette of it into space and plays it in the capsule during flight. Little in the film suggests that the world of pop has undergone a change or that culture and mores were changing with it. There is one brief scene of a party at which something like rock music is playing, but there’s no sense of what Neil’s perspective might be on the Twist, the Beatles, or anything else going on in the turbulent sixties.

Nothing in the film suggests that Neil is even aware of what’s going on in the world around him. Much of the action in the movie takes place in Jim Crow states where public facilities were segregated, but there’s no hint of this in the film; there’s no hint of where Neil stands on the pressing questions of the time. He has no black colleagues, no female colleagues; meanwhile, a female cosmonaut, Valentina Tereshkova, flew a space mission for the Soviet Union in 1963. What did he think? There’s a news report on the Armstrong family TV about the Vietnam War—but, significantly, it’s Janet who’s home while it’s on. Neil is in space at the time—as if Chazelle were suggesting that, while such people as Janet both hold down the domestic front and fret about politics, Neil is too busy to bother with any of it. (The same is true of one brief appearance of antiwar protesters, which occurs just as Neil is mourning the deaths of his own colleagues—as if contrasting those who risk death with those who wouldn’t.)

The one scene that embodies the sixties onscreen is, to my mind, among the most contemptible scenes in recent movies. It takes place midway through the action, when Congress begins to question the value of the space program. Neil is dispatched to represent nasa in a meeting at the White House, where senators fret about “taxpayer dollars,” and while there he is summoned to the phone and informed of the deaths of three astronauts in an Apollo test. The point is clear: that the astronauts are risking their lives while Congress is counting beans and playing politics.

But Chazelle takes that notion even further a few minutes later in the film, when, racked with unspeakable grief over the deaths of his colleagues, Neil drives off to be alone. “Half the country” may oppose the moon mission, but here Chazelle offers a peculiar, tendentious, and self-revealing cinematic interpretation of that phrase in the form of a montage. It shows Kurt Vonnegut, appearing in a black-and-white television clip, saying that the government would do better to spend the money on such things as making New York City “habitable.” There’s an archival clip of chanting protesters, featuring, prominently, a sign saying “¡Ayuda al Pueblo!” and footage, staged for the movie, of Leon Bridges performing Gil Scott-Heron’s 1970 song “Whitey on the Moon.”

With this sequence, Chazelle openly mocks people who thought that the moon money was spent foolishly—those pesky intellectuals, blacks, and Hispanics who go on TV or into the street demanding “gimme” while the likes of Neil and his exclusively white, male colleagues uncomplainingly put their lives on the line to accomplish historic things in the interest of “mankind.” In its explicit content, and by artful omission, “First Man” subscribes to the misbegotten political premise that America used to be greater—and that the liberating and equalizing activism of the sixties ignored, dismissed, and even undermined that greatness.

@Wordsmith: Richard Brody is a vapid lil weenie, doesnt the movie have any unnecessary partial nude bedroom scenes for his viewing pleasure?
https://www.businessinsider.com/nixon-astronaut-death-moon-disaster-speech-2017-7
This was something a little more special than his drive to the office, we wanted to see it ALL historical accuracy that puts a knot in his thong.

@Wordsmith:

it stirred up an absurd controversy among right-wing blowhards who hadn’t seen the film but nonetheless damned it on the basis of reviews stating that the movie doesn’t depict the iconic moment when Armstrong planted the American flag on the lunar surface. It’s true that the flag-planting isn’t dramatized, but the blowhards need not worry: “First Man” is worthy of enduring as a right-wing fetish object.

The question is, WHY? It was a United States mission to explore the moon and explorers plant a flag. For me, this is a statement made by the movie makers which I don’t wish to reward… or encourage. Obviously, even to this critic, the US flag has very little significance.

The general notion of “First Man” is to offer a corrective to the myth of the passive astronaut, the idea that American space explorers were merely strapped in, sent up, photo-opped, and brought home.

That was actually a theme? I’ve never heard that; never run across any description of any of the astronauts as anything but brave men who risked their lives in every mission, but then again, I closely followed the space program at the time. Anyone else ever heard that the astronauts were just eye-candy?

It sure would have been much simpler to include a scene of planting the flag… an historical fact. Most likely, such a scene was left on the cutting room floor… even worse, if true.

I haven’t seen the movie and am not denouncing it completely, but this was a totally unnecessary insult. Unless it was intentionally done as an insult, I simply don’t get it.