That Russia investigation. First they told us it began with a FISA warrant on Carter Page, who appeared in a Michael Isikoff story in September 2016 and his life has been upended ever since.
As that fell apart, they said no, it wasn’t Carter Page. It was George Papadopoulos. Pay close attention to what is said about him.
WASHINGTON — During a night of heavy drinking at an upscale London bar in May 2016, George Papadopoulos, a young foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, made a startling revelation to Australia’s top diplomat in Britain: Russia had political dirt on Hillary Clinton.
About three weeks earlier, Mr. Papadopoulos had been told that Moscow had thousands of emails that would embarrass Mrs. Clinton, apparently stolen in an effort to try to damage her campaign.
Exactly how much Mr. Papadopoulos said that night at the Kensington Wine Rooms with the Australian, Alexander Downer, is unclear. But two months later, when leaked Democratic emails began appearing online, Australian officials passed the information about Mr. Papadopoulos to their American counterparts, according to four current and former American and foreign officials with direct knowledge of the Australians’ role.
Now let’s look at how a number of liberal outlets reported it. The Telegraph:
The investigation into possible collusion between Donald Trump’s presidential campaign and Russia was reportedly sparked by a conversation that took place over a drink in a London bar.
George Papadopoulos, who was a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign, was said to have disclosed to a senior Australian diplomat in the bar that Russia had “dirt” on Hillary Clinton.
…
Mr Papadopoulos was said to have been given the information about the emails by a friend with Russian contacts.
He was told there were “thousands of emails” that may embarrass Mrs Clinton and her campaign.
CNN:
George Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat that Russia had “political dirt” on Hillary Clinton in May of last year, a conversation that might have played a role in the FBI’s decision to open an investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, according to a report published Saturday.
The New York Times reported that Papadopoulos, then a foreign policy adviser to Donald Trump’s campaign, was drinking at an upscale London bar when he told Australia’s top diplomat in Britain, Alexander Downer, that Russia had political information on Clinton.
A few weeks before their meeting, Papadopoulos was told Moscow had thousands of emails relating to Clinton, CNN has reported.
NBC:
WASHINGTON — An Australian diplomat’s tip appears to have helped persuade the FBI to investigate Russian meddling in the U.S. election and possible coordination with the Trump campaign, The New York Times reported Saturday.
Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos told the diplomat, Alexander Downer, during a meeting in London in May 2016 that Russia had thousands of emails that would embarrass Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, the report said. Downer, a former foreign minister, is Australia’s top diplomat in Britain.
(emphases mine)
Notice how the stories either claim outright that Papadopoulos told Downer that Russia had the emails or they try to convince you it did. They all indicate that Papadopoulos told Downer that Russia had “dirt” on Clinton.
OK, now let’s see what Downer actually said. Chuck Ross:
Over drinks, Papadopoulos mentioned Russians had information on Hillary Clinton that could prove damaging, Downer told The Australian in an April 28 interview.
There was no indication in the short exchange with Papadopoulos that Trump was aware of the damaging information, Downer also said.
“By the way, nothing [Papadopoulos] said in that conversation indicated Trump himself had been conspiring with the Russians to collect information on Hillary Clinton. It was just that this guy, [Papadopoulos], clearly knew that the Russians did have material on Hillary Clinton — but whether Trump knew or not?” Downer explained.
“He didn’t say Trump knew or that Trump was in any way involved in this. He said it was about Russians and Hillary Clinton; it wasn’t about Trump,” Downer told The Australian.
And about that “dirt”:
Papadopoulos’s reference to Clinton material was vague, Downer suggested.
“He didn’t say dirt; he said material that could be damaging to her. No, he said it would be damaging. He didn’t say what it was.”
About that “heavy drinking”?
Downer also suggested the meeting was brief and Papadopoulos was not drunk, as has been widely reported. According to the profile, Downer and Papadopoulos spoke over a “single short drink.”
No dirt, No heavy drinking. No emails.
I find the fact that Downer sought out Papadopoulos extremely interesting. That dovetails with what I have been saying all along. It was a set-up.
Papadopoulos named Trump advisor.
Within two weeks, Josef Mifsud finds him.
Mifsud tells Papadopoulos that the Russians have hillary’s emails.
Downer seeks out Papadopoulos.
Papadopoulos doesn’t drink heavily or speak of dirt or emails.
Via Sam Clovis, Stefan Halper contacts Papadopoulos and lures him to England, where he presses Papadopoulos for information on the Clinton emails (fed to him by Josef Mifsud) and has a young woman flirt with Papadopoulos. That woman contact was instrumental in fabricating charges against Papadopoulos. Halper is said to have been irritated by Papadopoulos’ lack of knowledge about the emails.
The FBI scares Papadopoulos into lying about not doing anything illegal. They nail him and squeeze him for dirt on Trump that was fed to Papadopoulos by Mifsud and which Stefan Halper tried to extract from Papadopoulos.
It’s almost as if the Mueller framed Papadopoulos out of spite.
The basis for opening the investigation was a fraud. The FISA warrant was based on a lie. It was all a lie. What we really need to hear testimony from Rob Goldstone, Josef Mifsud and Stefan Halper.
I won’t be holding my breath.
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Except for liberals being foolish.
Papadopoulos said the Russians had dirt on Hillary? Would this be the same Hillary that conducted all her State Department business on a secret, private, unsecured email server, illegally storing, sending and receiving classified information and using unsecured devices overseas because that’s how she rolled? Would this the Hillary that signed off on a uranium deal that the FBI was investigating for having Russian connections just after her husband got paid $500,000 by those Russians for a short “speech”? Would this be a different Hillary than the one who’s name is on the Clinton Foundation board, a foundation that took millions and millions of dollars from foreign entities while making decisions, as Secretary, favorable to those entities?
Yeah, I’d launch a controversial investigation, including spying and wiretapping, on a political opponent over that, too.
Most all the news we get from the MSM is Lies nothing but Lies just like Obama’s Scandal Free Presidency
A set up from the beginning, then arrange special counsel, no one is perfectly innocent, must find crime, any crime.
Pathetic …desperate
Everything is being exposed now come the excuses.
Again, Hillary’s campaign and the DNC was supposedly hacked by the Russians. Why weren’t they spied on, “for their own good”?
And how could those 33,000 deleted and bleachbitted emails possibly contain dirt on Hillary? Didn’t she say they were nothing but messages about yoga lessons? The FBI exonerated her of any wrongdoing, so they must believe that she did not illegally destroy evidence. Therefore, they could not possibly believe that the Russians gleaned “dirt” from them, could they? It seems they are trying to have it both ways.
If the law was fairly applied, and the DOJ/FBI truly believes the Russians took damaging information from these emails, then Hillary should be arrested and tried for destroying subpoenaed evidence.
If the DOJ/FBI believes there is nothing incriminating in Hillary’s deleted emails, then there is no credible basis for their investigation of the Trump campaign and his administration. They are caught in a giant lie.
The cover up is in gear. It’s looking more and more like one of the themes of the spin will be Trump wasn’t a target and it was done to “protect him” thus making the coupsters look like good old patriotic public servants instead of seditious coupsters. Ignore the dossier, the FISA abuse, the text messages, and all the other incriminating evidence. Gowdy is latest to jump on the bandwagon. It’ll be interesting to see what the next IG report has to say. Anything short of multiple criminal referrals will show that this is one gigantic cover up.
The SET-UP started even before this.
Look at the editorial board meeting candidate Donald Trump attended wherein he was PUSHED to name his advisers in foreign affairs.
He didn’t even have most of those he named on his payroll.
He might not have even asked them 1st before telling these editors they were members of his team.
For example, Carter Page, when confronted, displayed surprise.
He said, he had just been sending policy memos to the Trump campaign and that the details of his role remained unclear.
It was March 14th, 2016 that the WASHINGTON POST met with Donald Trump.
Only after being pressed by those editors did he name:
Joseph E. Schmitz, Gen. Keith Kellogg, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos and Walid Phares.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/
The set-up had been set-up.
This whole thing stinks all the way up.
We’ll see what’s a lie when Mueller has finished.
@Nanny G: So rich DWS is trying to blame Congress for congress getting hacked by her pakis http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/27/hina-alvi-imran-awan-leave-the-country/
But Roseanne made a Planet of the Apes joke .
@Greg: We’ll need to know before that because Mueller never WILL be finished. Aside from trying to affect the upcoming elections in the Democrat’s favor, it has no goal. No end point, no specific purpose or target. They know they aren’t going to find any criminal activity related to Trump or the election because they’ve been looking for almost three years. The purpose is to continue, so waiting until they are “through” is going to be a long wait
The 13 Russians who’ve already been indicted will be delighted to hear Dr. John’s prounouncement that the Russia investigation is all a lie.
The Mueller investigation has brought criminal charges against 22 individuals and entities. They’re all named in the appendix of this court filing from May 23rd:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4482645-Response-to-motion.html
This investigation is no witchhunt. It is not a lie. This is serious business and Trump should be prepared for major consequences.
@Gary Miller: When the Lawyers for the Russians actually showed up for court it seems Mueller was’nt ready for that reaction.
Can he connect any of these entities with Trump, well one wasnt even a company yet during the election, how bizzare.
@Kitt:
Thanks for the link, Kitt. Mr. Mueller will be more than ready for trial once the investigation is completed.
@Gary Miller:
Once it is completed?!? He filed charges in court. Is his plan to file the charges, THEN get the evidence? That does seem to be his process.
For instance, for over a year he has looked for Russian collusion. He has found none, yet by his (and the left’s that pull his strings) way of doing things, he merely thinks he hasn’t seen it yet, not that it doesn’t actually exist. Since the actual goal of the “investigation” is to run into the elections and taint the Republican’s chances with the guilt by association of an “investigation”.
Donald Trump’s Russia claim contradicts, um, Donald Trump’s Russia claim
So he gave one reason for firing Comey before, and now says something that’s the complete opposite. The fact that he does this is not news.
We don’t know what all he has looked for over the past year. As some never tire of pointing out, collusion with the Russians wouldn’t be a crime—a betrayal of the trust of the American people, perhaps, but not a crime. It must be assumed that Mueller’s investigation has been wider ranging than a search for something for which no charges could be filed. Particularly since some serious charges already have been filed along the way, and guilty pleas have been made. There’s nothing random about this. It’s a matter of purposefully working up a chain of intention and culpability, seeing how high it reaches.
@Greg: He could fire him for any reason , he is too tall, he wore the wrong socks it just doesnt matter. Rosenstein presented Trump a letter recommending his firing. He is a perjure and a leaker who cares?
@Deplorable Me: Gary must be like 14, he doesnt seem to comprehend that you dont file charges until you are ready to give all the evidence to the defendant and walk into court to prosecute. But that was way at the end of the article.
@Kitt:
Kitt, can we please keep it civil? I admire this website for a civil discussion, something usually lacking in right-wing sites. My money remains on Mr. Mueller to prosper in this case against 13 Russian businesses, 3 Russians, Mr. Manafort, Mr. Flynn, and perhaps, Mr. Trump.
@Greg: So, you now admit there is not and never has been Russian collusion? That must be your position because, unlike a year ago when Trump won the election by colluding with the Russians, everyone in his campaign colluded with the Russians but now you act surprised that anyone had that idea. See, we told you it was stupid.
So, Mueller was looking for ten year old money laundering crimes? I don’t remember anyone mentioning that was the target, but when you have to keep throwing new excuses around to explain why none of your accusations ever develop into anything resembling the truth, I guess we never know what coming up next. Imagination is a wonderful thing.
In other words, what might be called a “witch hunt”.
@Gary Miller: Sorry, Gary, but when you write something stupid, it’s going to be called out. Mueller filed some charges against persons and entities he assumed would never show up in court. When one demanded the case proceed, he wet his pants because it was all a theater for liberals to watch, clap and stomp their feet.
@Deplorable Me:
With all due respect, you have no idea what cards Mr. Mueller is holding. And you have no idea as to the lengths his team has gone to properly serve Concord.
I think there was collusion. I suspect Trump Sr knew full well what was going on with the Russians. I suspect Trump Jr remembered perfectly well who the two blocked-number calls he was party to during the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians were with. By this point, I suspect that Mueller will have determined that person’s identity.
Mueller knows his investigative and prosecutorial methodology. This is how you work up the chain of command when taking down a criminal organization.
Sure, if you want to call Trump a witch. Or a fishing expedition, if you want to call Trump a fish. There’s nothing random about what Mueller is doing, and Trump knows it.
@Gary Miller:When you indict someone you are ready too lay those cards on the table. You dont say wait wait I’ll take three cards, the judge (or dealer ) wasnt having any of his foolishness. It is very very basic. The lawyers were there so they must have had a summons or are psychic.
Mueller has nothing. He has indicted a bunch of “ham sandwiches”, one of which did not even exist at the time accused. If he had anything, his team of “impartial” Hillary associates would have leaked it to the press by now. Most, if not all, of his accused will not be convicted as they were set up and trapped illegally. This is an absolute disaster for him and his corrupt team, and they are now desperate to escape complete humiliation, if not outright prosecution.
@Gary Miller:
And indictment of a ten year old crime, which members of Hillary’s team were allowed to skate by on, is a pretty clear indication of what he has in his quiver. The haranguing, badgering, threatening and persecution of General Flynn to get him to “confess” (while the agents that interviewed him said he didn’t lie) is also indicative of the depth of his case against Trump. He is desperately trying to intimidate witnesses into lying for his cause, which is to bring down a duly elected President of the United States. In addition, any time his team THINKS they founds a smoking gun, it is leaked, but nothing substantive or that held up to scrutiny has emerged.
Obama has had spies in Trump’s campaign since 2016. They conducted illegal surveillance. There have been Congressional investigations and now Mueller’s “investigation” has been ongoing for over a year. Nothing. Sorry, but sedition does not serve Concord. It serves the left.
@Greg:
Of course you suspect it. We KNOW that. You suspect it because you HAVE to; no other outlet will assuage your butthurt over the liberal promise that Hillary would be elected and carry on the Obama legacy (which we are now learning is one of scandal and corruption) than to try and convince yourself that the only way the most corrupt, incompetent and criminal candidate for President could have lost is if Trump was in league with Satan. OK, you’ve suspected it, you’ve spied on it, you’ve wiretapped it, you’ve investigated it… and you’ve found NOTHING to justify your suspicion. So, now what?
He hopes to get someone to lie for him. That’s his only way out now. Like the election, you whiny liberals have been PROMISED Trump’s head. It will be HIS head if he can’t produce impeachable offenses.
@Greg:
Yep, a witch hunt. You know there is no such thing as a “witch”, right? No, there’s nothing random about it, either. It has the goal of hurting Republican electoral prospects and drumming up something impeachable. The only thing random about it is what they present as “results”.
But, as we all know, Josef Mifsud and Stefan Halper are both MISSING.
Fallen off the map.
Many “news” outlets refuse to even say the name, Halper!
All these “investigative” reporters wanting to get to the bottom of the Russia, Russia, Russia story and not one of them can find either person!
And neither can all of our intel community.
A Wall Street journal story points out:
@Nanny G: When found, we might find Jimmy Hoffa as well.
@Deplorable Me, #24:
Why do you keep asserting Mueller has found nothing? It’s a serious investigation, not Donald Trump’s reality TV program. It’s not a weekly ratings war. They’re not supposed to provide daily updates. They’re supposed to present their findings at the end. Which Mueller will do.
My suspicions are nothing more than how I’ve reacted to what I’ve heard. I don’t rationalize away things like targeted Russian hacking, the timing of Wikileaks releases, contacts between Trump campaign figures and known Kremlin tools, and sophisticated Russian-funded social media disinformation operations focusing on a presidential election. Anyone demanding acceptance of an assumption that all of those dots are in no way connected is asking too much. Demanding unquestioning acceptance is in itself suspicious.
@Greg:
Because they leak everything they find that they think is negative. They’ve done it numerous times, mostly to be debunked. Yes, it is a serious “investigation”. The stakes, for the left, are very high. Even though a lot of evidence damaging to Democrats has already surfaced, there is much more to be known and if Trump is allowed to clean out the filth Obama left in place, the situation will get much worse for a LOT of people.
That is understandable. Yet, now that you know you’ve heard those suspicions from liar with a political agenda and the suspicions have been disproved (except for as they apply to Democrats), why do you persist in propagating the lies? The suspicions were broadcast in order to foment distrust and reinforce the hatred the left felt for the people who denied Hillary her entitled Presidency. The accusations trafficked by your party were intended to feed off the natural bigotry of liberals and, since you can’t disprove a negative, no amount of investigation will every satisfy you; if it goes on for 8 years without your suspicions being gratified, it won’t prove what we’ve been saying all along, that Trump NEVER colluded with Russians; it will only indicate you haven’t found the evidence yet.
The hacking was targeted where it was easy. The DNC didn’t protect themselves very well, as well as Hillary and her bathroom server. Odd that the DNC would not allow the FBI to investigate the hack, desiring instead to investigate themselves and TELL the FBI who did the hacking. With the Steele dossier, we know we can absolutely trust Democrats to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth, can’t we?
When the initial accusations and some of the “proof” came out, I was as suspicious as anyone. I was disappointed and disgusted. However, once you discover someone is LYING to you, you (should) grow suspicious of anything else they tell you. The media, Democrats and the Obama operatives within the DOJ and FBI have been caught lying and manipulating facts and and lost all credibility. Once someone has been caught lying, I don’t consider it an isolated incident; I wonder WHY they are lying and how much lying have they done. As it turns out, the original generation of the “suspicions” (more like “justifications” than actual suspicions) all come from Obama and the DNC, forming a great circular flow of false accusations, contrived evidence, leaks to media, filtering back into law enforcement, and “justification” for “investigations”. It wasn’t arbitrary and it wasn’t accidental. It was a plot.
There was no collusion between Trump, the Trump campaign and the Russians. Deal with it.
No, they haven’t done anything of the kind. The Trump organization leaks like a damn sieve. Rudy Giuliani attributes all manner of things to the Mueller investigation, but there’s no evidence the Mueller investigation has actually leaked much of anything. What little is known has been deduced from the charges they’ve filed.
Mueller has been running a very tight ship. It could serve as an example of how things should be done.
@Greg:
Glad you used “they” because, while Mueller himself doesn’t leak (that would be beneath him… and dangerous) that doesn’t mean his Democrat-heavy team doesn’t or even that he doesn’t direct it.
Yeah; it’s how “things” are done when the electoral process fails you.
Hannity advises Mueller witnesses to destroy evidence.
He was only joking, of course. Presumably his #1 fan will realize that.
Here’s another joke. Everyone likes a good laugh.
@Greg:
Why not? That’s what Hillary and her gang did. See any of them in jail? Manafort cooperated completely and how was he rewarded? With a theatrical 6AM raid on his home and offices. Funny you don’t approve of the ground rules YOUR political leaders have established.
To say “nothing” was found is ludicrous. As far as Benghazi goes, we found she ignored warnings of impending terror attacks, which did actually happen, and refused adding security or remove personnel out of danger. We also know she knew all along that it was a terrorist attack but LIED about a video being the cause… a lie she told right to the face of those who lost loved ones in the attack. That, alone, should have disqualified her for any possible chance to be President.
Then, the emails… well, she most certainly set up a secret, private, unsecured server to illegally carry out all State Department business. Illegally because she was circumventing archiving rules and did so with the intention of avoiding FIOA requests. Then, she illegally sent, received and stored classified information on her unsecured server, which most certainly was hacked. Furthermore, we know Obama knew she was doing this because HE communicated with her on it… using an alias. We KNOW she deleted 33,000 emails just as soon as they were requested by the State Department, not because they were yoga, wedding or funeral emails, but most likely because they involved pay-for-play deals with the Clinton Foundation.
And, we know she committed perjury, on video, under oath before Congress. We know this because, a) it’s on video and Hillary has not been able to destroy THAT and b) the FBI says she had thousands of classified emails on her server, though she testified she didn’t.
Yeah, that’s hilarious.
Then why no charges? Is the Attorney General not a Trump-appointed republican?
Apparently your video isn’t quite the incontrovertible bit of evidence that you imagine it to be.
Mueller understands what constitutes credible evidence.
@Greg:
Though the scope of the corruption Obama installed in the DOJ and FBI has been explained extensively, apparently the IG report is going to be released next week, so I think then you will get a good look at EXACTLY why Hillary had not been indicted… yet.
The FBI showed there were classified documents on her server and she stated there never was. The perjury is irrefutable. It is a disgusting miscarriage of justice that she is not already in jail, especially in light of the swiftness our “justice” system will tear down a dedicated serviceman for the sake of a scalp on the belt of a disreputable “investigator”.
Indeed, it has been “explained” ad nauseam. They finally wore a hole through the Benghazi carpet, at which point they shifted focus to Clinton’s server and the Uranium One farce.
Meanwhile, Mueller has a real investigation underway, with real indictments and real guilty pleas. Stay tuned for exciting new developments.
@Greg:
Yeah, those 4 guys Hillary and Obama just stood by and let be killed, then lied about their stupidity and incompetence is just old news, isn’t it? “What difference, at this point, does it make”? Well, if it played a part in keeping Hillary out of the White House, justice was served. But, we know they put their political fortunes above the lives of our diplomats and those who protect them, and lied their asses off about it. The Uranium One caper is pretty clear too, with Bill getting $500,000 in Russia, then Hillary signs off on the deal. Oh, nooooooooooo…. nothing to be suspicious of there. Nothing that rises to the level of some minor person in a campaign making a routine trip to Russia and false political lies paid for by Hillary instigating spying on a campaign, wire taps and a full investigation of the campaign and the President.
Mueller is conducting a political witch hunt which is wearing thin on the American people. Trump’s approval is going up while Mueller’s is going down faster than Lisa Page, all because after over two years of spying, wire tapping and “investigation”, there is NOTHING to the accusations and the people are growing aware of what the real purpose is. Will this go the way of “impeachment”, getting dropped when it no longer serves the political purpose it was intended to serve?
June 8, 2018 — G7: Trump says Russia should be part of summit
June 8, 2018 — Donald Trump’s G7 temper tantrum
@Greg:
I’m am going to have to call you stupid for believing this. I actually watched Trump’s remarks as he left Marine One to board Air Force One this morning and his statements were anything but a “tantrum”. If you keep listening to the liberal propaganda of the left wing media, you will only get stupider.
Trump says Russia should be in the G7 and the European members of G7 say no… the same people who are wanting to negotiate more trade with Putin because Trump wants fare treatment from them on tariffs. So, how do you think that’ll go over with Putin? Game and MATCH.
Wow. So many “facts” on both sides. History will sort this all out. All I know is that it is hard to argue that Trump has not produced an incredible amount of accomplishments in just two years, in spite of all the opposition, hate, and “resistance”. We are living in an astounding time. The left is rooting against America because of Trump. They would rather see the country in ruin than admit that Trump has been incredibly successful in helping us. Doesn’t that tell you something?
Mueller’s witch hunt catch list—witches caught, to date, with their alleged crimes and times.
@Greg: Sorry, I won’t pay a propaganda outlet a dollar to read their propaganda. But, let me ask this: how many are related to Russian collusion? Was Mueller’s mandate to go out and fight crime, like Batman, or was he to find crimes in relation to Russian collusion and election interference?
W I T C H H U N T. And, it should be noted, witches don’t exist.
@Angel Artiste:
Bill Maher has begged for a recession. Yeah, people will get hurt, yada, yada, yada, but it’s the only way they can get rid of Trump (what, no impeachment for obstruction or “collusion?), and Trump defeated Hillary so he must go. Apparently, a lethargic economy, high unemployment, no good paying jobs, few full time jobs and illegal immigrants scarfing up many of the low paying jobs is what idiots like Maher prefer.
The entire investigation is related to Russian collusion. All of the charges are individual parts of a picture puzzle that Robert Mueller is slowly and methodically putting together. He started around the edges and will gradually fill in the center. How all of the pieces relate will eventually become clear.
@Greg:Ohhhhh…. OK. A “brilliant, secret plan” that goes on for a year with leaks of bogus information but no results.
@Deplorable Me, #43:
No, it’s a fairly typical criminal investigation, where the investigators don’t reveal their every lead and every move to the people who are under investigation. Doing otherwise would be totally out of the ordinary.
The primary results of such investigations always come at the end, not at the beginning or midway through. To expect otherwise would be ridiculous.
@Greg:
No, a typical criminal investigation identifies a crime that has been committed and then endeavors to PROVE the crime was committed by the defendant. THIS farce set out to FIND a crime that, based on spite, was SUSPECTED to have been committed. Mueller has flailed about trying to find someone desperate enough to falsely confirm he has found a crime, which hasn’t happened after he’s been “on the case” for a year, or after Obama conducted a variety of illegal spying and surveillance over a year before that.
That might be true of an investigation involving a particular crime like a bank robbery or homicide, but it really isn’t the way investigations of complex crimes or criminal organizations typically work. Even with something like a robbery or homicide, the investigators don’t provide detailed information regarding their progress.
@Greg:
That is true of all that are not political witch hunts.
Often they do, but they ALWAYS have identified a crime that has been committed that is an actual crime.
You’d best bail on this one; you are digging yourself a much deeper hole.
Anyone with a brain can figure this one out for themselves. I don’t much care about the opinions of others.
Thought for the day: The forest was shrinking…
@Greg:
Again, you keep digging.
@Greg:
Answer me this: If “Mueller is slowly and methodically putting together” his investigation, how did he happen to indict a company that did not exist at the time? On July 9 when the trial starts, if he drops or loses the case against the 13 Russians, 2 Russia-linked companies, and one ham sandwich, or if it is dismissed, Mueller is done. And it is obvious he does not have the evidence he needs, and the judge knows it. My prediction is that the case will be dismissed “with prejudice”, and there will be irresistible pressure on him to close up shop. He will be completely discredited, and the cases against Flynn, Manafort, et al, will fall apart, as they are doing now.