We have been fed an endless diet of Trump-Russia collusion by the media. It is based on the dossier compiled by one Christopher Steele. The more we learn about it, the more curious it becomes.
The dossier was the basis for the FBI to secure a warrant to spy on Carter Page. That in itself is very curious. Page has been on the FBI radar since at least 2014. Page is thought to have helped the FBI snare Russian spies in 2013 back then although he denies it. You’d think that the FBi would be able to determine if Page was a spy in all the time. I’ll have more to say about Page soon.
The Nunes memo made several key claims:
- The FBI used an unverified, allegedly biased document known as the “Steele dossier”to get a warrant in October 2016 to surveil Carter Page, a former Trump campaign adviser. The dossier, prepared by former British spy Christopher Steele, alleges the existence of a conspiracy between Donald Trump and the Russian government. The Steele dossier was partially financed by the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC).
- Senior FBI and Justice Department officials knew that the Steele dossier was indirectly funded by a lawyer for the Clinton campaign and the DNC, but didn’t disclose this in their application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court — a court that approves surveillance warrants pertaining to national security and foreign intelligence. They also didn’t disclose it when renewing their applications requesting additional time for surveillance.
- In September 2016, Steele spoke with Deputy Attorney General Bruce Ohr. Steele told Ohr that he “was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.” Ohr’s wife worked for the research firm, Fusion GPS, that hired Steele on behalf of the DNC/Clinton lawyer.
- The head of the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division Bill Priestap apparently said corroboration of the Steele dossier was in its “infancy” at the time of the FISA application.
Additionally, the memo also noted:
“McCabe testified before the committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the [FISA court] without the Steele dossier information”
Steele lied to the FBI
The narrative is laid out in the Nunes memo. It notes that at the time the FBI sought the Page warrant on Oct. 21 “the FBI had separately authorized payment to Steele” for the same information the bureau submitted to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act court for the warrant. Mr. Steele wrote his last election dossier memo on Oct. 19, apparently ending his $160,000 in payments from Fusion GPS, the investigative firm that had hired him to produce the dossier.
The Nunes memo later states, “Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI source for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations — an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016 Mother Jones article by David Corn.”
The FBI called him a “less than reliable source.”
For your amusement- read this
Donald Trump dossier: intelligence sources vouch for author’s credibility
But that was back in January 2017. Things change.
Steele admitted that his dossier was “unverified.”
Then there’s the circular sourcing:
Third, the FISA warrant application cited as corroborating evidence an article in Yahoo News written by Michael Isikoff that was published on Sept. 23, 2016 and focused on a trip to Moscow made by Page in July 2016.
But that Yahoo News article couldn’t really be considered “corroboration” of the dossier compiled by Steele, as it was revealed that Steele himself had provided the information upon which this article was based to Isikoff. This tactic is known as circular sourcing, or making a single source of information appear as though it is coming from multiple independent sources.
So now “multiple sources” are dwindling. Now on to the second dossier, written by Clinton hack Cody Shearer.
Frightened out of his wits by Devin Nunes’ promise of the next memo exposing the corruption of the DOJ, Jonathan Winer, a DOJ official under John Kerry, came out as the person passing on propaganda against Donald Trump prior to the election:
Around that same time, Winer happened to speak with “old friend” and long-time Clinton operative Sidney Blumenthal, whom he met 30 years ago. He and Blumenthal “discussed Steele’s reports” — an admission that Blumenthal, a close Clinton friend, knew about the Steele dossier as early as September 2016 (even though Clinton herself denied knowing about it until January 2017).
Winer said during that meeting Blumenthal gave him notes from a “journalist” he “did not know,” Cody Shearer, that corroborated the salacious allegation in Steele’s dossier that Trump had hired prostitutes to urinate on a bed. “What struck me was how some of the material echoed Steele’s but appeared to involve different sources,” Winer wrote.
So first it went Steele -> Winer -> Nuland -> Kerry
Then it went Shearer -> Blumenthal -> Winer -> Steele
See how it works?
In his confessional Winer said something interesting:
That same month, Winer met Blumenthal, who provided him with notes on Trump and Russia compiled by another Clinton insider, Cody Shearer. “What struck me was how some of the material echoed Steele’s but appeared to involve different sources,” Winer writes in The Washington Post. He decided to show the notes to Steele, who told him the information could be used to corroborate his dossier. Steele walked away with a copy of the notes, which he provided to the FBI.
The same information from different sources? You mean like the first dossier and the circular sourcing?
The Guardian reports that the Shearer dossier “corroborates” the Steele dossier based on Shearer’s “independent sources.”
The FBI was unable to verify anything in the dossier other than Carter Page traveling to Russia.
One has to wonder- did it go Kerry -> obama? Nunes stated that both Kerry and Lynch were briefed.
Then we learn that Sen. Mark Warner (D) was engaged in back channel communications with a Russian agent to get dirt on Trump:
A lobbyist who served as a back channel between Christopher Steele and Virginia Democratic Sen. Mark Warner served as legal counsel to Russia’s foreign minister and lobbied on behalf of a Russian oligarch with ties to Paul Manafort.
Documents filed with the Department of Justice show that Adam Waldman of Endeavor Law Firm, served as counsel to Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, from 2010 until last year. He has also worked for Oleg Deripaska, a billionaire aluminum magnate with close ties to Putin, since 2009.
The connection between Waldman and Steele is somewhat surprising given the former British spy’s work on the dossier, which purports to expose a Kremlin conspiracy with the Trump campaign.
And he didn’t want to leave a paper trail.
John Solomon suggests that all the FBI sources will be tied to Clinton:
It’s likely that all four sources the FBI used to start spying on President Donald Trump’s 2016 campaign have connections to Bill and Hillary Clinton, according to a top investigative journalist.
Cody Shearer and Sidney Blumenthal, both longtime political hit men for the couple, are tied to a “pipeline of Clinton-related information” that led into the Department of State, forming a second “dossier” of dirt on that was used to get spy warrants.
Another source of information to the FBI was Fusion GPS, which was being paid by a prominent Washington, D.C., law firm, using funds from Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee.
“When that is all put together … four out of four things the FBI used to start listening in on the Trump campaign comes back to the Clinton family,” said John Solomon, an award-winning investigative journalist and executive vice president of The Hill.
The FBI may be guilty of some politics in the so-called Trump-Russia collusion case, said former Utah Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz, sitting in Friday night for host Laura Ingraham on Fox News’ “The Ingraham Angle.”
Sens. Grassley and Graham have sent a criminal referral for Christopher Steele to the DOJ. Steele lied to the FBI.
All of this makes me wonder- were there any Russians involved in any of this or was it all a fabrication of the Clinton campaign?
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Except for liberals being foolish.
The democrats a re so deperate they will do anything and say anything and the news media listens to them and parrots their mindless babble to a public who no longer beleives them
I don’t doubt Steele is a capable investigator. Same with Strzok. I don’t doubt Comey and Mueller are capable. But, they have all been blinded by ideology. They all thought their reputations would carry them past any scrutiny of their motives or the veracity of their findings.
Good deeds in the past or not, the crimes against the Constitution of the United States of America need to be punished and an example set in order to deter others from following the same path. It is disruptive and destructive.
This needs complete disclosure and accountability if our intelligence services are ever to regain their credibility.
Good question: Were there ever any Russians?
Back in 2013 stories came out about how more than 20 federal agencies hid the true source of their investigation’s starting point—never revealing the use of the highly classified sources (NSA) involved—and then “recreate” a parallel investigation to justify criminal findings.
The IRS even had a manual instructing agents of the U.S. tax agency to omit any reference to tips supplied by the DEA’s Special Operations Division, especially from affidavits, court proceedings or investigative files. The entry was published and posted online in 2005 and 2006, and was removed in early 2007.
Career agents, as well as Obama appointees at the tops of agencies kept these programs going in ever more politicized forms.
I recall several McCain/Palin and later Romney/Ryan supporters whose businesses were harassed as if they were drug lords instead of laudromat owners and Mexican restaurant owners (who take in a lot of cash).
The end result was the freezing up of their funds so they could not actively support their chosen candidate.
Now we see how much worse it got as Hillary ran against Trump.
Instead of freezing up supporters’ cash (because he could self-fund his entire campaign) they went after Trump directly.
Carter Page was their means, not their ends.
It is not beyond credulity that this merely started out as one of the left’s self-massaging excuses for why only those in liberal coastal areas and depressed areas addicted to federal aid supported Hillary but, as one option to go back in time and elect Hillary after another faded away, they decided to make this something they would all pretend to believe in.
Look at all the time and money this little whiny excuse for failure has cost the American people. Liberals, who have no idea what earning money entails, simply don’t care.
Yes. There were many documented contacts between people highly placed in the Trump campaign and administration and known Russian operatives. There is no more question about the truth of this than there is about the fact of extensive Russian meddling in our 2016 presidential election process. Russian operatives mounted a highly sophisticated, multi-faceted effort to manipulate public opinion and see that Donald Trump would be elected and Hillary Clinton would not. It’s entirely possible that Donald Trump was elected because of Russian interference.
All the known times the Trump campaign met with Russians
@Greg:
Lot’s of people who are involved in international affairs contact Russians and vice versa. Lots of Russians act as agents of the Russian government. Hillary’s people were meeting with Russians. Obama was meeting with Russians. EVERYBODY was meeting with Russians. Yet, you only see “collusion” within the Trump campaign.
Yet, OK, I get it. If there are suspicions, let’s have a look. Well, we’ve had a look that has lasted almost 2 years and NOTHING. So, when do you think you might be getting around to admitting there was no collusion and forget your little impeachment fantasies?
That is in no way substantiated or based in fact. Trump won for one reason; Hillary was a terrible person and terrible candidate and Trump worked harder. Further, there can be NO DOUBT the Russians would have preferred Hillary as President, someone that could be bought, bribed and blackmailed as opposed to Trump, who would be totally unpredictable.
@Greg:
All were ruses to lure for other purposes, i.e. repeal of the Magnitsky Act.
Impeachment requires “high CRIMES and/or misdemeanors.
“Collusion,” is not a crime at all.
On top of that, “intent to collude,” is also not a crime at all.
I was even in contact with the Russians. Most had blonde hair and a very sweet smile. I do not remember that what I did was illegal! Was that collusion?
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #7:
Oh, right. Everybody was having secret meetings with the Russians concerning offers of information damaging to their opponent, receiving coordinated support from Russian hackers and state-supported St. Petersburg social media troll farms, and the benefit of carefully timed Wikileaks info dumps.
The Clintons have made their full tax returns available for public inspection for years. How many Russian conflicts of interest have been turned up?
Maybe Trump should make his own tax returns available, as promised. He claims there’s no Russian money involved in his business activities. I’m almost certain the size of that particular lie is totally off the charts. For one thing, in the recent past Donald Jr has said as much.
Trump Proposes to Cut Medicare and Spend Big on Wall, Defense
Uh, how does that last part work? Maybe we could cut defense spending without cutting defense. It probably works like cutting taxes without cutting collected revenue.
@Greg: I believe his tax returns are right under Obama’s college transcripts and his financial forms showing how he paid for college which we have not seen and just under John Kerry’s military records that have yet to be released.
@Nanny G:
Liberals are entertaining fantasies. In their minds, the “high crimes and misdemeanors” is defeating Hillary, who was incompetent, a liar and corrupt, but she was liberal and that’s good enough.
Well, HILLARY was and she actually BOUGHT stuff from the Russians. “Timing” has little to do with any meetings unless there was some connection to the leaks… which there WASN’T.
You know, every time you bring that tired meme up I think of you with a revolver pointed at me, but all the chambers are empty. Yet, you just keep pulling the trigger and clicking away. Do you remember the Clinton’s having to revise their returns because they “forgot” a few million dollars the Clinton Foundation got from foreign donors while Hillary was still Secretary of State?
@Greg: The power of the purse belongs only to congress, the president can propose we confisate Hillarys flying monkeys it doesnt matter.
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #14:
The reason you know about this, Dilbert, is because their original tax returns and Foundation statements were public, as were the amendments that were subsequently filed to make corrections in them. See how that works?
You don’t know squat about Trump’s financial dealings, because he keeps everything hidden. And then you believe everything that he tells you, in spite of the fact that he’s known to be an inveterate, compulsive liar.
Trump loves patsies, even more than low-education voters.
@Greg:
At least two have been released, in addition to the usual financial disclosure statement. All you are doing is flailing in the dark, hoping to connect with SOMETHING that is going to allow you to satisfy your lust for revenge for Hillary losing to Trump. Sexual abuse, racism, collusion, tax evasion, selling babies, cheating at bingo… ANYTHING!!! And the more blind swings you take and fail to connect they more bitter and frustrated you become. And then you come back to the tax returns.
What does Bill and Hill worry about releasing their returns? It was revealed they LIED on theirs, failing to declare millions and million contributed from foreign sources while Hillary was Secretary of State!! And, what did we hear of it? Did they get raked over the coals for lying about taking money from foreign entities while Hillary was doling out State Department favors? Did they even pay a fine? Nope. But Trump was hammered because he claimed a loss. No, in this atmosphere, Trump is wise not to release any more. There are no adults on your side. Only spoiled children.
Waaa, waaa, waaa. Trump is President and he is doing a good job. Democrat fortunes in the 2018 midterms are fading fast. Where are those tax returns?
A true dimwit would have voted for the PROVEN most corrupt, most incompetent liar to ever have run for President. Did you vote for her, Greg?
@Bill… Deplorable Me:
The Art of the deal he is not, he should have shut the government down til the bloated budget and spending like drunken democrats was under control.
Yes the tax cuts will bring in more money but couldnt they wait til they had it in hand? They are the uniparty trying to turn us into Greece. Now amnesty and not 800K but 1.5million, then infrastructure not 1 trillion but 1.5 trillion WTF?!!! Rural infrastructure? Country roads those are responsibility of the states! Where is all the gas tax money collected where is it all? Shouldnt our road coffers be bursting at the seams? They are all PROGRESSIVES, We won NOTHING as long as Ryan and McConnell are in charge, they gave away everything for nothing without a fight. Greg should love this President and the congress its Obama on steriods! Full funding the abortion factories and No medical insurance choice, I dont feel like we are winning.
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #17:
No, they HAVE NOT been released. The only thing out there is a copy of his 2005 Form 1040, which reveals ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the sources of his total reported income—which, of course, is the ONLY THING that actually matters in connection with potential conflicts of interest and Russian money sources.
Pardon me for not being sufficiently stupid to believe this line of total bullshit.
@kitt: If Trump gets a majority that can give him a more solid position from which to negotiate, I think we’ll see different outcomes. However, in regards to DACA, he has put forth a deal the Democrats CAN’T refuse… yet they do. So, he is making a political point. If there is no DACA deal (and I would prefer there not be), it will be due to the obstruction of the Democrats and that fact can work to his favor I the midterms. The deal won’t be so juicy if he doesn’t need as many Democrat votes.
Indeed, Greg should at least be able to see that Trump is not the monster he tried to convince himself he is and respect the distance Trump will move to try and achieve a deal. Instead, he, like his Democrats, would rather cut off their noses to spite their faces, counting on the past history of the Republicans being blamed for every failure. The last shutdown should cause them to reevaluate that confidence, but obviously, it hasn’t.
@Greg:
Yeah. They have.
Really, Greg. You have voted for Obama and Hillary. The issue is in no way in doubt.
@kitt, #15:
The Congress that just decided a trillion dollar annual deficit is no problem? They and Donnie are a perfect match:
White House Proposes $4.4 Trillion Budget That Adds $7 Trillion to Deficits
Obama inherited an economy in ruins, 8.7 million lost jobs, a major auto maker and all its support industries about to go under, flat broke state governments, and two unfunded foreign wars to deal with.
What’s the nature of Donald Trump’s emergency?
@Greg:
I do believe that all of the collusion “evidence” comes straight from the Clinton campaign and is completely fabricated
@DrJohn: Which THEY got by colluding with and PAYING the Russians.
@Greg: Go back and read my reply to Bill you goon, this Collusion thing is a huge distraction for the uniparty putting our kids in the poorhouse you dolt.
@Bill… Deplorable Me: Trump has the final say he coudnt wait to sign that POS, he needs to grow a set as big as RR. Shut it down!
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #21:
Why don’t you post a link to these tax returns, and demonstrate that to be the case?
If you do, I’m guessing what we’ll see a picture of Trump’s 1040.
Maybe you actually believe a 1040 meets the definition of releasing one’s tax returns, resolving all questions about conflicts of interest and Russian money. You are, after all, a Trump supporter.
@Greg: I suggest you google it and read about it. It’s pretty simply and I won’t entertain and feed your whiny idiocy. You should remember the releases; you bitched about what they contained enough.
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #27:
As previously noted, you’ve got nothing, because nothing significant has actually been released. The claim that something has been is just another of the right’s numerous collective delusions.
@Greg: As previously noted, you’ve had two returns released, both of which were selected by the left and illegally released. It is due to your own misconceptions that you don’t find what you think you SHOULD find within them.
Remember when about 10,000 of Sarah Palin’s emails were released? You leftists jumped on them like a hungry dog on a weenie, looking for some good dirt. You know what they found? I’ll give you a hint: it is the precise, exact same amount as evidence of collusion you have found. You know WHY nothing was found? Because nothing was THERE.
So it goes with your forlorn dream of finding your magic bullet in Trump’s tax returns; it simply ain’t there.
No matter how many times you say it, it’s still a bullshit claim. Form 1040 reveals absolutely nothing about the specific sources of a person’s income. It’s a summary sheet. And even that pitifully skimpy bit of information involving a tax year 12 years in the past wasn’t voluntarily released. He said he would release his returns when the “audit” was done. That was a baldfaced lie, told to dodge the issue until election was over. Most relevant years were no longer being reviewed; Trump’s own people inadvertently confirmed that with a letter from the IRS. In fact, Trump never had any intention whatsoever of doing as he said he would do. They were just words he said, because saying them was useful at the moment. The man has no sense honor. Truth and lies are all the same to him. He doesn’t even care if he’s caught in a lie. He’ll just make the people who point that out to be the liars.
Maybe some enterprising Russian hacker will release all of Trump’s personal and corporate returns via Wikileaks. For all anyone knows, they’ve threatened him with that possibility to keep him in line already. They may be in a position to blackmail the President of the United States. They may have the goods on Jared and Donnie Jr. Without knowing Trump’s foreign money connections, how would we even know?
@Greg:
Sounds like another of your wild, fantastic dreams that will eventually result in bitter disappointment.
Obama’s IRS had a nasty habit of leaking citizen’s IRS information for political gain. If there was anything there that would satisfy your blood lust, don’t you think it would have been leaked, as the other two returns were? Furthermore, if there was enough suspicion and reasonable cause, those records can be subpoenaed and read as evidence. You are running out of straws to grasp.
@Greg: Got any proof Greggie?? So far there has been no proof that anyone voted for Trump over Hilldabeast because of Russian interference!!
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #31:
Yet Donald Trump’s tax returns, which the IRS most certainly has access to, have remained entirely private, despite all questions and controversy. The fact of the matter is that the IRS does follow the law and honor taxpayers’ privacy. If the continuing secrecy of Trump’s tax returns doesn’t clearly demonstrate that to most people’s satisfaction, I don’t know what could.
I actually can’t think of any examples of tax returns improperly disclosed by the IRS for political purposes. Nearly all recent presidents and presidential candidates have disclosed their tax returns voluntarily. Refusal to do so is a reason for distrust.
@Greg: Heres one
Tax payers money used to settle a lawsuit. Oh ShaZam a liberal cause getting inside information of a traditional marriage group its a rainbow scandal, having to do with whos re-election? lots of stuff going on in the IRS under Ze Learner.
But Trump a bigger dog with way larger teeth huh.
@Greg:
Well, yeah… when there’s nothing to leak. Trump’s returns are complex and extensive, to be sure, but obviously there is nothing there to hit him over the head with or we would be talking about THAT instead of “where are they?”
@kitt: Yeah, well never venturing past left wing propaganda sources that would certainly not cover the extensive use of the IRS to harass conservative groups and release their data to opposition political groups, of course he wouldn’t be able to “think” of any examples. Like this:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-documents-reveal-doj-irs-and-fbi-plan-to-seek-criminal-charges-of-obama-opponents/
http://www.accountingtoday.com/news/Inspector-General-Confirms-Improper-Access-Political-Donors-Tax-Records-67431-1.html
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/09/white-house-irs-exchanged-confidential-taxpayer-info/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/04/chairman-anti-gay-marriage-group-says-has-proof-irs-leaked-donor-details/
@kitt, #34:
It wasn’t a tax return that was leaked. It was a donor list. The IRS acknowledged its accountability and was ordered to pay the National Organization for Marriage’s $50,000 in court costs, but no punitive damages were awarded. It was never established who provided the organization’s list of dark money donors. For all anyone knows it might have been a contract employee, or the document copy might have been obtained by a computer hacker.
Do you like speculative tales? Here’s one: Trump’s Russian Laundromat –
How to use Trump Tower and other luxury high-rises to clean dirty money, run an international crime syndicate, and propel a failed real estate developer into the White House.
@Greg:
Oh, very nice rationalization. It was information the IRS had and they illegally distributed it. You think the people that did this would look at Trump’s returns and think, “Oh, this is not just personal information that is illegal to distribute, this is an entire tax return. Leaking this would be so wrong.”? Based on what we have seen over and over from that administration, I sincerely doubt it.
No, I’m tired of those. I prefer the ones based on evidence; like Obama lying about not interfering in ongoing investigations, Comey lying (by omission) about meeting with Obama after Trump’s election or Rice, Obama, Mills, Comey and others lying about surveillance and emails. When we run out of the REAL scandals, then we’ll talk about getting back to your imaginary ones.
February 13, 2018 – Top intelligence chiefs issue a dire warning about ongoing Russian influence operations
…but no one in the Trump administration is listening.
@Bill… Deplorable Me: Speculation that caused them to plead the 5th and pay our 50K. During which time, Lois was having computer and record keeping issues 2012 time frame during an election that was pulling conservative voter suppression tactics.
Sure Dark money, like the 972 K to help pay for spies to feed a fisa court lies to obtain a warrant, Trump is a genius he can cover his tracks much better than they.
Holy moley donating to a pro-traditional marriage schedule C charity makes a person a dark donor lol.
#38 paper ballots and voter ID so simple.
@Bill… Deplorable Me, #37:
It was information the IRS had, and somebody illegally distributed it. It was never established how that happened or who did it. The IRS was held accountable and accepted responsibility. And it wasn’t an effing tax return. It was a anti-gay marriage group’s secret donor list.
Nobody in the IRS took the fifth. The reporter who broke the story pleaded the fifth and refused to divulge the identity of his source. The IRS, as legal custodian of the information, accepted responsibility. They agreed to pay the plaintiff’s court costs.
@Greg: Tsk tsk tsk you liar In February 2012, the Human Rights Campaign posted on its web site NOM’s 2008 tax return and the names and contact information of the marriage group’s major donors, including soon-to-be Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney. That information then was published by the Huffington Post and other liberal-leaning news sites.
The $50,000 to be paid by the IRS , and a little reward for keepig his yap shut HRC’s president at the time, Joe Solmonese, was tapped that same month as a national co-chairman of President Barack Obama’s re-election campaign.
Not a smidgen of scandal.
@kitt, #42:
The tax return wasn’t posted. What was posted was a copy of the National Organization for Marriage’s 2008 Form 990 Schedule B, which revealed the identity of 50 of the organization’s donors. (How embarrassing, to have it known that you’ve been secretly funding such people.)
NOM’s complaint argued that this could only have come from the IRS. Actually, the chain of custody of the document began with NOM itself, or their tax preparer, so even that isn’t a foregone conclusion. The reporter’s specific source was never revealed.
@Greg: So the National Organization for Marriage is bad You are a truly twisted individual. Were your Parents married, how bout your grandparents? From what evil traditional marriage were you spawned from? (sorry if you were raised by wild animals and had no traditional family)
This is fun isnt it?
@Greg:
Just wondering, how do you imagine information gets from the possession of the IRS into the public realm? Osmosis? And who was held accountable? If anyone was held accountable, it would be the first time ANYONE that broke laws within the Obama administration was held accountable except for whistleblowers.
No, YOU aren’t listening. Each director said they work working on the issue but could not discuss what they were doing in public. Unlike the Obama administration, who just stood by and waved a cowardly finger.
Just wondering, do you think it was wrong for the Obama administration to interfere, covertly and overtly, in foreign elections?
Don’t you just HATE being right all the time? https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/22/politics/irs-targeting/index.html
Leaking ANY of the information the IRS gets is ILLEGAL.
It’s not embarrassing; it’s DANGEROUS. Leftists tend to utilize violence to intimidate and suppress political opposition and, unlike liberals, not everyone can afford personal body guards 24/7.
@kitt, #44:
I don’t much like the fact that they think they have a Mission from God to deprived gay people of the right to marry one another. I don’t see how extending such a right to gay people diminishes traditional heterosexual marriage in the least. Generally speaking, the recognition and encouragement of committed, stable, long-term relationships, with all the obligations and responsibilities they entail, is far better for society than casual, uncommitted relationships. I believe that’s true regardless of the gender identities of the persons involved.
That said, the DOM organization should have the same right to expect their tax documents to be private as anyone else. Trump has that legal right, which the IRS has obviously respected. He has the right to remain silent—but I find that silence highly suspicious, for reasons that should be totally obvious. I have no doubt that many people wouldn’t have voted for him, had he not successfully sidestepped the issue by stating that he would release his returns as soon as the audit was completed. That statement was a lie. There is no audit standing in the way of release, nor was there when the statement was made. He’ll never voluntarily release enough information to allow the questions about Russian money to be answered.
@Greg:
It’s not a right and there is no such thing as “gay marriage”.
Oh, it’s obvious. I have described it numerous times. What is odd is how Unsuspicious you are of actual suspicious activity when a liberal is involved.
We’ve seen who was receiving the money from the Russians, and it wasn’t in legitimate business transactions… AND you voted for her.
@Bill… Deplorable Me: So when they were granted the right did they remain civil, or did they start pushing their right above everyone elses(social rape)? Then it was in the locker room, now schools assisting sex change without parental notification minds too young to grasp scientific genetic reality. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transgender-reveal-kindergarten-class-rocklin-academy-parents-upset/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/teachers-must-keep-childs-transgenderism-a-secret-from-parents-ontar
But thats not this thread, the only Russians were camping with Hillary.
Marriage is a religious rite between a man and a woman. That rite is recognized by the State as a legal contract with attendant obligations, responsibilities, and benefits. A declared union between two homosexual people may also be recognized by the State (and should be) with the same conditions, but it is not the religious rite of marriage as it is understood in the traditional sense.
Marginal behavior practices, as long as they are non-aggressive, should not be met with discrimination, but neither should they be required to be celebrated as mainstream normative behavior.
As for the OP, zero evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia has been uncovered, after many months of thorough investigation.
Did Russia try to influence the election? Probably. All superpowers, including the US engage in such enlightened self interest. There HAS, however, been evidence presented that clearly indicates collusion between the Clinton campaign and the Obama administration to illegally use the intelligence community for political purposes via fraudulent means to obtain a FISA warrant for spying on the Trump campaign. Evidence seems to indicate an attempt to exonerate Clinton of criminal activity, while simultaneously framing Trump for Russian collusion.
No amount of denial will make it otherwise, no quantity of red herrings will sufficiently distract, and no false equivalents will diminish the magnitude of this corruption.
@kitt: Authoritarian regimes seek to eliminate all thoughts of individuality or dedication to anything but the State. Thus, the left aspires to eradicate all lines between genders, sexual preferences, cultures and eliminate all religions and competing ideologies, by force if necessary.