No one noticed. But I did.
Back in 2008 Barack Obama said
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cqN4NIEtOY[/youtube]“We are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America”
Then when confronted Obama denied it:
O’Reilly: OK. I got a letter from Kathy LaMaster, Fresno, Calif. I said I would read one letter from the folks, all right?
Obama: All right.
O’Reilly: “Mr. President, why do you feel it’s necessary to fundamentally transform the nation that has afforded you so much opportunity and success?”
Obama: I don’t think we have to fundamentally transform the nation.
Yes, you do, you liar.
The Obama worshipping minions of Politifact couldn’t figure out what Obama meant by “fundamentally transform” the US.
We decided that we couldn’t put this statement to the Truth-O-Meter, since the definition of “fundamentally transform” is too vague.
So let’s help.
2. of, relating to, or affecting the foundation or basis:
“a fundamental revision.”
1. to change in form, appearance, or structure; metamorphose.
2. to change in condition, nature, or character; convert.
3. to change into another substance; transmute.
By definition what Obama said was that he wanted to change the foundation of the country. This country is fundamentally a democratic republic and that is what Obama wants to change. The Obama sycophants at Politifact are so heavily burdened with bias that they were unwilling to be honest.
Let’s now jump ahead to Obama’s SOTU 2015:
Fifteen years into this new century, we have picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves off and begun again the work of remaking America.
There it was again. When he was sure everyone stopped paying attention he let it fly.
1. to make again or anew.
He said we needed to fundamentally transform America, then denied it, then said again that we need to do “remake” America.
For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone believes anything that liar says. One cannot ever forget that Obama was steeped in Alinskyism:
“A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage — the political paradise of communism.”
That pretty much sums it up. Any denials on the part of Obama or his water carriers will only offer concrete proof that this is absolutely accurate. (DrJohn’s Law)
“In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor.”
Ever stop and ask yourself what that means? Ever ask yourself what it means when everyone fares equally despite disparate investment in education and effort?
From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs. I’ve heard this somewhere before.
The election (twice) of Barack Obama could either be a learning experience or the beginning of the end of the US as a democratic republic.
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Yet, in 6+ years all Obama has managed to do is hurt the middle class, destroy jobs creation opportunities, shrink the economy, make many more dependent on government, enrich the CEOs hurt the secretaries and janitors, help some selective factory owners and hurt most of those on the factory floor.
Still, when he says such lies, the Left and his low-info supporters believe his words instead of his deeds.
To the extent any of his words seem true was over his dead body, so to speak, as Republicans ended his 99-weeks unemployment extensions and the nation’s long-term unemployed found jobs, as Private Entrepreurs started fracking on private lands, as Small Businesses ignored his Davis-Bacon demands for high wages and accepted jobs in exchange for the gov’t rebates as payment in full, as Large Businesses reinvested by paying down their own debts instead of expanding, as State Governments had to spend for ObamaCare, and so on.
Ironically Obama takes credit for all these bottom-line improvements even though his own policies opposed every one of them.
Being naturally lazy, I don’t think Obama has the stamina nor the capacity to unmake America as a republic and replace it with a leftist dictatorship. He has however –
Destroyed the world’s best healthcare system.
Provided taxpayer-funded abortion on demand.
Opened the door to gay marriage and LGBT “rights”, and generally decimated American moral standards.
Divided the country by race, gender, and social class, and set them against each other.
Greatly increased the poverty in America, making nearly half of the country dependent on government handouts.
Increased annual spending on a vastly growing government bureaucracy by over $1 trillion a year. Increased the national debt from $3 trillion to $18 trillion.
Granted amnesty to 5 million illegal aliens.
Weaponized the IRS, EPA, NSA and other government agencies to target citizens of the US, i.e., his “enemies”.
Supported terrorist groups in Lybia, Syria, and Egypt against our allies, while attempting to destroy our greatest ally, Israel.
Initiated the attempted global Jihad of “Arab Spring”, killed our Lybian ambassador and two SEALs while smuggling weapons to our enemies, is enabling Iran to become a nuclear power, and then has the gall to proclaim “global warming” as our greatest threat.
He has two more years to continue to bring down our country from within. The forth quarter has just started, and team Obama keeps spiking the ball in the end zone
I’ve used this quote before – this post reminds me of the best line from The Dark Knight. It was actually from the Scarecrow getting called out on some bad drugs he had distributed, “Buyer beware. I told you my compound would take you places – I never said they’d be places you wanted to go”
What was the state of the U.S. economy only 5 days before the 2008 election? How was the future looking at that point?
@Greg:
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The American labor force participation rate was at 66%. Five days before the 2012 election that same labor force participation rate was at 63.6%. Now it is at 62.7%, a low not seen since December, 1977.
But according to Gullible Greggie, things are just going along swimmingly.
@retire05: Does swimmingly mean the economy is “in the tank”?
@retire05, #5:
The labor participation rate has to do with demographics as much as with the state of the economy. Thanks to aging Baby Boomers and increased life expectancy, the nation has one of the highest percentages of people of retirement age in its entire history. And of course people who live off of their investments aren’t part of the labor force. I would think you would approve the increasing number of such people who don’t work for a living.
Anyone who can’t grasp the fact that the economy was going to hell in a handbag through 2008 but has subsequently improved enormously isn’t really in touch with reality.
@Greg:
Which only shows how bogus the Obama unemployment rates are. In a good economy, the labor participation rate remains stable, in spite of population increases. BLS stats prove that. But our population has grown by almost 14 million just under Obama alone and his administration has not created an economic atmosphere that compensates for that growth, hence, the lower labor participation rate. Between 1988 and 2008, in spite of massive immigration, our labor participation remain remained stable at around 66%. And you can’t explain that away, Gullible Greggie, although I know you will try.
The boomers were born between ’46 and ’64. There were 76.4 million of them, but by 2012, 11.2 million of them had died. Of the remaining boomers, 68% were still in the work force in 2012. And it stands to reason as our population grows, so grows the number of retired. Nice try; no cigar.
@retire05:
Maybe a Bill Clinton Cigar?
Presumably you’re aware that there are also record numbers of older Americans who aren’t Baby Boomers. Baby Boomers have older relatives.
@Greg#7. 55 People applying for ONE job in December 2014 is NOT a robust or even ‘inching ‘ toward a robust economy. You cannot be that far removed from reality. Um. well…
maybe ‘you’ can be…..
Allow me to repeat:
Anyone who can’t grasp the fact that the economy was going to hell in a handbag through 2008 but has subsequently improved enormously isn’t really in touch with reality.
@Greg:
you are clearly beyond help
@Greg:
Annual deficits increased over $1 trillion annually, national debt increased by $15 Trillion. In six years, we still haven’t recovered, with unemployment and poverty at the highest numbers in history. And our healthcare insurance is now unaffordable and the availability of healthcare has been degraded. What’s to complain about?
Aside from the economy, our foreign policy is in shambles. We have alienated allies and supported enemies. Obama is about to allow a radical Islamic country which thinks we are the Great Satan have nuclear weapons with the ICBMs capable of reaching our cities. Our government is now our enemy, with citizens targeted and spied on by the IRS and NSA.
Obama’s reign has been a complete and total disaster and plague on America, a toxic cocktail of evil mixed with incompetence.
@Greg:
Anyone who thinks that a near doubling of people on foodstamps and a decrease in the median annual income represents an improved economy isn’t in touch with reality.
I think Greg escaped from an early Jack Nicolson movie that concerns the residence of a bird and someone flying.
Greg:
In 2013 Republicans ended Obama’s 99-weeks unemployment extensions and the nation’s long-term unemployed found jobs.
This is the MAIN reason the jobs numbers began INCHING upward.
Still too many are part-time (30 hours/week or less) jobs.
@retire05: This has been disproven here a number of times before. Some people just keep repeating the same lies over and over again thinking everyone else is too stupid to catch on. A sure sign of arrogance. The labor force participation rate has INCREASED for those 55 and older while it has DECREASED for everyone else. Everyone who posts here should reference this link for the next time the same lie pops up.
http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_303.htm
@Greg:
Besides the $18 trillion national debt, what else has gotten enormous since the Great and Wonderful Obama took office?
I don’t claim Obama to be Great and Wonderful. I’m only denying the right’s unceasing bullshit assertions that he’s the worst president of all time, if not the devil incarnate.
One fundamental problem with the political right is that they recognize no middle ground in connection with anything.
@Greg: He told America that if you liked your health and/or doctor you can keep them “period”!! He won the election on a lie and that’s why the Legislature now belongs to Republicans in two historic elections!! Let’s see what our economy looks like when he leaves office!! Which President carried 49 out of 50 states Greggie??
@Greg: And Democrats including yourself still blame Bush for any and all ills of our!! The problem with liberal wackos like you is that you refuse to take any responsibility for anything!! America held Democrats responsible for Oblamacare and they paid the price!!
@Greg: Greggie, Democrats MUST take part responsibility for the housing bubble!! Let’s NOT be stupid and blame Bush as the sole reason for the failure of our economy!!
Yeah, and Bush told America that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that we couldn’t wait or we’d be seeing spreading mushroom clouds.
Because of Bush’s “lie,” thousands of Americans died. Because of Obama’s “lie,” 10 million more Americans have health insurance.
Feel free to compare and contrast.
@Greg: Easy Greggie!! 70 Democrats saw the same evidence Bush did on WMD and agreed!! Bush did NOT lie!! Hillary was on that list. Of the 10 million who have health insurance 6 million had their current policies canceled because Oblama lied!! He also said it would cost less, another lie!! BTW why did so many Democrats get sent home in the Legislature last election cycle?? In addition, this loser has NOT been fully implemented yet!! Which President carried 49 out of 50 sates. Are you in agreement that Obama lied about his healthcare plan??
@Common Sense, #25:
Democrats and republicans all saw the same cooked intelligence reports that were subsequently revealed to have been bogus. What they didn’t know about were the warnings about it that the Bush administration had suppressed. and even kept from members of their own team.
We should drop the accusations of lies. The examples that could be found on both sides and fired back and forth are probably inexhaustible.
@Greg: Thought you would not admit it!! Which President Greggie!! Next please prove that President Bush cooked the data and lied about it!! Remember I need proof that Bush did it!!
@Greg:
Well, Greg, there have been no President’s worse (of course, this is based on the assumption that Obama has been intending to IMPROVE the condition of the United States and its citizens). ALL of Obama’s most notable “successes” (such as increased energy production and lower fuel costs) have been the result of his agenda FAILING, none due to a successful agenda.
Now, the examples that have been provided repeatedly show, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that the intelligence gathered during the Clinton Administration BY the Clinton administration was whole-heartedly endorsed by both Clintons as well as a cadre of high-ranking Democrats AND a crowd of lesser Democrats. The warnings of the risks of ousting the existing governments creating a vacuum of power that could have disastrous results were listened to and well heeded by Bush; it was Obama that chose to ignore those threats and, of course, the result is ISIS, terror and widespread evil.
What, specifically, was “bogus” about the intelligence?
How about we simply use the accusation only where it actually applies? For instance, there is NO evidence Bush lied one iota… nothing. On the other hand, there is no doubt or argument that Obama has lied his sorry ass off, repeatedly, on a regular basis, seemingly out of pathological habit. While I feel Obama actually FEARS the truth, since there is no retribution or penalty for lying (the media gives him a pass on every one), Obama simply feels, “Why the hell not?”.
@Bill: Bill thanks for the support and reality check!! Greggie of course will provide NO evidence to support his accusations!! He is a liberal wacko that will continue to lie and accuse even when he is caught!!
@Bill, #28:
Have you read the post-invasion reports prepared by bipartisan Congressional committees that looked into that question? I’ve posted the links so many times before that I’ve grown weary of doing so.
Unlike the unending investigations of more recent years, they actually reach conclusions supported by specific evidence. Which of course is totally irrelevant to people who refuse to read the reports or think about them. They’re happily—or more often angrily—living off in their own little propaganda-induced fantasy land, well insulated from any contact with facts that might call anything they’ve been conditioned to take on faith into question.
@Greg: That is NOT proof that Bush lied!! Greggie Greggie you don’t even know what proof or a lie is!! Not surprised though, any chance you will confirm which President carried 49 out of 50 states in his second term election cycle?? Do you have proof that Romney cheated on his 2010 tax return as Slimy Harry accused him off on the floor of the Senate and you agreed to?? Thought so, your a fraud, a liar, and liberal wacko!!
@Greg:
Unlike the investigations into Obama’s self-inflicted scandals, the 9/11 inquiries were not stone-walled and blocked.
Again, what WAS the “bogus” elements of the intelligence presented? This is the definition of bogus:
: not real or genuine : fake or false
What was bogus? How was it faked or false, not real or genuine? It was faulty and flawed, to be sure (though WMDs WERE found), but how does “bogus” fit as a description, other than to serve a partisan lust for blame?
Remember Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, aka Curveball? Everybody but the Bush administration seems to have known this guy was totally unreliable. They don’t seem to have known it, despite the fact that plenty of people in the U.S. intelligence community knew full well. German and British intelligence services warned that the guy was a con artist. The problem was that the Bush administration didn’t want to know it. What he was claiming was just too useful in building the case for war. Everything the guy said was bogus.
Remember the aluminum tubes? The DOE concluded they weren’t suitable for use in centrifuges, but were most likely intended for use as rocket tubes. That opinion was ignored. They became evidence of a nuclear weapon program.
The supposed attempt to purchase yellow cake uranium from Nigerian sources never happened. The related documents were forgeries. Serious doubts about their authenticity were raised before the invasion commenced. People in our own intelligence community disputed their authenticity. The International Atomic Energy Agency stated they were phony.
People act as if none of this was ever investigated.
@Greg: Remember Bill Clinton? Remember Hillary Clinton? Remember Madeline Albright? Remember Sandy Berger? Remember John Kerry? Remember Carl Levin? Remember Tom Daschle? Remember Nancy Pelosi? Remember Ted Kennedy? Remember Al Gore? Remember Robert Byrd? Remember Bob Graham? Remember Jay Rockerfeller? Remember Henry Waxman? You should, because they ALL supported the evidence of Hussein’s WMD’s and the need to take him out of power, for the safety of the United States and the region.
I don’t think even you believe all this evidence and intelligence came from one guy. Yellow cake was found IN Iraq.
I’m not going to get into another endless argument about the Bush administration’s campaign to propel us into an unnecessary war, or about deliberate efforts to cover back up what subsequently came to light. Here’s an article on the subject, if anyone wants to look: The Lies that Led to the Iraq War and the Persistent Myth of ‘Intelligence Failure’
They were told the same lies as everybody else. Their error was to trust the Bush administration.
@Greg: Greggie Greggie ,Greggie, that is NOT proof that Bush lied!! I want to see proof of your accusation!! Obama lied and it’s on tape and I can prove it!! Your still a fraud who just can’t admit it when your wrong!! Proof Greggie!! Which President carried 49 out of 50 states on his second election cycle?? BTW, Slick Willy destroyed our on the ground intelligence!! He was also getting a hummer from Monica when we had Osama in our gun sights!! Remember, he was impeached AND found
A person is either able to look at the facts and draw the logical conclusions from them or they aren’t. If someone is unable or unwilling to, that doesn’t change the facts.
@Greg: greggie,greggie,greggie thanks for putting your delusions into perspective,now greggie yells to ronald j tea baggee ward , on to the ethanol powered big wheel
@Greg: Uh, their “error” was that they collected much of the intelligence. Unless you are willing to cease with the attempts at trying to justify Obama’s failures by repeating the thoroughly debunked “bogus” (used where the term actually applies) lie about “lies”, you will indeed be in an endless fight; just as Obama has involved us in a near-endless fight in Iraq by stupidly pulling ALL our troops out and swinging the door wide with a great big “WELCOME” sign for ISIS.
Based on your idea of facts, it IS a fact that based on the evidence presented here you are a liberal wacko moron who looks at accusations and draws conclusions that are complete fabrications!! One can also easily conclude that no matter what real facts are presented to you regarding President Obola you will deny them and blame Republicans especially President Bush!! This is the only conclusion that can be drawn from years of your lies and accusations.
@Common Sense: Not guilty–finished it. No impeachment process has ever gotten past the Senate. Andrew Johnson only other Prez. to be impeached. Nixon would have probably gone down if he had not resigned.
Quote from one of my favorite pols–Adlai Stevenson who ran as Dem. nom against Ike in 52 and 56.
” I promise if the Repubs. stop telling lies about me I’ll stop telling the truth about them” lol
Who is your pick for Repub. prez. nom in 2016? I’m backing Navy Cross recipient Jim Webb.
Hope you are enjoying life in Carlsbad. Semper Fi
@Rich Wheeler: How about convicted of lying to a grand jury?? Guilty or Not Guilty??
@Common Sense: Clinton was not CONVICTED of anything though he was disbarred.
He was impeached by the House but found not guilty by the Senate.
@Rich Wheeler: Rich, thanks for the clarification. He was convicted of lying as part of a grand jury investigation, correct?
@Common Sense: He was not convicted since he was not tried in civilian court He was DISBARRED for lying to G.J..
No need for a trial because he admitted he lied. He also lied directly the American People, very sad time in our history. What is also sad is that President Bush was accused of lying when he did not.
@Common Sense:
He was pushed into a spotlight and improperly questioned about the private sexual behavior between consenting adults. At which point he should have told Ken Starr to go f-ck himself and the horse he rode in on, and let the pieces fall where they may.
@Common Sense: IMO Bush’s biggest problem was he had a bunch of lying scoundrels, like Cheney and Rumsfeld advising him.
He was a nice guy and a fraternity brother–Drunken Dekes
@Rich+Wheeler: Rich, my point is that the liberal media chant Bush lied and people died which is NOT true and I ask anyone to prove that he did and they can’t. It is sad to see our press give Slick a pass as he lied to our face and falsely accuse President Bush. All you need to know with respect to liberal media bias!! in addition neither Cheney nor Rumsfeld lied!! Once again proof is needed, real proof!!
@Greg: Greggie Greggie Greggie, he looked America in the face and lied “period”, it is proof!! No excuse can cover this fact!! As far as telling an investigation to do as you say, it is amazing but not surprising that even Slick has more integrity than you. In addition the Blue dress speaks for itself!! Do you think he could run away from the truth?? As mentioned, all evidence is clear that your a liberal wacko moron!! It was President Ronald Regan that ran for his second term by asking America are you better off now than you where four years ago. America in historic fashion said yes as he carried 49 out of 50 states. I am guessing your liberal press articles didn’t provide you with this truth!!
@Common Sense: Cheney and Rumsfeld never lied? Only when they opened their mouths. Crooked old cronies of daddy George.
They had young W around their fingers.
@Rich+Wheeler: Rich you know that’s NOT true. If you have proof then please enlighten me.
@Common Sense, #51:
I don’t care to any degree whatsoever about other adults’ consensual sexual activities. That’s all private and should remain private. What the republicans accomplished—in their zeal to take down a democratic President by any means available—was to distract the nation from anything that really mattered, while making us look like total idiots to the rest of the world. They would do the same thing today, if they found any means to do it. Their efforts alone have been a serious and dangerous distraction.
@Greg: Greggie Greggie Greggie, Republicans didn’t do this. I don’t care either!! I DO care when a President lies to America!! Evidently you don’t!! All you care about is being a liberal moron and that’s NO lie!!
@Common Sense: I know it is true You are in the tank for all things Repub, as others on here are in the tank for Dems.
Power corrupts and Repubs in power have been just as corrupt as Dems. That is common sense.
@Rich+Wheeler: NO excuse for a President to lie to America about an issue that represents 17% of our GDP!! Republicans did NOT lie about it Rich, I don’t need to be in the tank to watch the videos of a Democrat doing this. I can accuse you of being in the tank for Democrats but this does NOT change this fact!!
@Rich+Wheeler: I am a Republican and proud of it!! Over the past six years I have seen America in decline and especially in administration of healthcare and border protection!! America in historic numbers turned the House over to Republican control primarily because of the idea of Obamacare, then this past election they turned the Senate over to Republicans because of the reality of Obamacare and it has NOT even been fully implemented yet!! I have spent over 40 years in healthcare both clinically and in government managed and private healthcare delivery as well as international. My wife has spent over 30 years doing the same. Believe me, the more government tries to interfere with the best Healtcare System in the world, the worse it has become and will continue to decline!! I do not deny that improvements are needed but not destruction!! If you are proud of this President then you could NOT be in a tank, it’s not safe!!
@Common Sense: I’m a proud American and a proud Marine, As far as Repubs. and Dems a pox on both their houses Nixon was a liar, V.P. Agnew worse and the list goes on.
Comgress approval still at 16% and won’t improve under Repubs
Jim Webb for Prez. check him out.
@Rich+Wheeler: Rich, you may be correct. For me I will take the Politics of Responsibility over someone else buying votes by playing Santa Claus with my money and that of generations to come. We are rapidly becoming a society of expected entitlements and the end will be when redistribution of wealth can no longer pay for our massive debt and welfare for half our nation!! Then we buy votes buy awarding those who enter our country illegally with citizenship others worked hard for to attain. No wonder Obama has been able to maintain popularity, he’s spending my money!! Are there problems with immigration and healthcare? Of course and I do hold our government responsible on both counts and both parties, I am in agreement there!! We threw the bums out once before and America has done it again!! Sadly nothing gets fixed and we just through more money at a problem rather than be responsible for solutions!! You can’t run a business or your family affairs this way without consequences!! It’s always big bad Republicans playing scrooge when in my mind it’s Republicans saying we are a country of responsible citizens vs. welfare. At the end of the day I see two philosophies of governing one being big government telling me they know best about what I should do with my money and the other is keep government out of my affairs and make me responsible because I am free and can take care of myself!! I know that’s simplistic but one can deny the premise!! As always Rich, thank you for your service and willingness to dialogue with minimal deterioration!! I value both.
Just a few days after obama got the nomination to run for the democratic party in 2008, he said he wanted a national civilian security force that was as strong as, and equally funded as the military. I wonder how he was figuring on using it? The comment was deleted from the original speech. Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
I think I have been banned from Facebook for a poster I have been posting. Do they tell you that you have been banned, or do they just cut you off? When I click on links in email notices, I get a notice saying, “The content is currently unavailable”, and I don’t have any content other than my name in my information section.
If I am banned, this is PROBABLY why:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/35983084@N07/11460675386/
@Smorgasbord: Kicked off facebook? Not easy. Then again that “cartoon” might do it.lol
As discussed before Obama wasn’t referring to some armed and ominous force but rather expanding AmeriCorps.
@Common Sense: I see it a little different. The Republicans are the ones in the bedrooms of America- the ones that slow the progress of civil rights, woman’s rights, gay rights and human rights. They are regressive and often reactionary in their social stances.
Romney’s 47% comment was an example of their us vs them philosophy’
In 1960 I llistened to a young Irish American “Ask not what your country—” Three years later I joined The Marines.
Kennedy also said ” A free society that does not care for the many who are poor cannot protect the few who are rich”
“In the end only 3 things matter How much you have loved, how gently you have lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you.. Buddha
Common Sense I respect the passion you show for what you believe. Glad to call you a friend Richard
@Rich+Wheeler: #62
I contacted Facebook about the problem I am having, and will wait for a reply.
@Rich+Wheeler:
How is this, Rich?
How are the people that fought the Democrats to get civil rights passed and have been supporting the kind of economic growth that will aid those in poverty rather than, as the Democrats practice, subsidizing and promoting poverty, doing all they can to maintain a dependent constituency in perpetual poverty engaging in this, Rich? Take note that it has been the liberal left that has been promoting racism and social strife and unrest.
What “rights” would that be, Rich? The “right” to a free abortion of convenience, paid for by the taxpayer? The “right” to taxpayer paid birth control? How about the right to have Democrat cretins keep their hands off them? How about the right NOT to be called vulgar, false names and have filthy accusations made against them should they dare not to be the run-of-the-mill liberal talking point machine that the Democrats recognize as a woman? How much civil rights violation did the racist DOJ find in Ferguson, Rich? Where is the widespread media coverage of the clean bill of health Darren Wilson and the Ferguson PD got by an organization looking intently for the slightest hint of a violation to blow out of proportion?
Gay rights? You mean the “right” to redefine historic terms simply because they want to legitimize their activities and life styles? The right to deny the 1st Amendment to anyone that does not fully agree with them?
Speaking of regressive, as I stated above, after 60 years of improvements in racial relationships in America, the left has turned the clock back at least years by turning every incident between human beings as a white on black racial incident. Holder has directed his DOJ to commit to numerous civil rights violation fishing expeditions across the nation with NONE of the results they desired: white on black racism running rampant. Despite the best efforts of the left, racism only exists in the far left, instigating black on white crime and culminating (thus far) with the deaths of two innocent NYC cops. I suppose you view this as “progress”?
Yes, it’s US (the working American taxpayer) against THEM (the far left socialists that want to strip the wealth from those who produce and take it for themselves and those they would pay to vote for their power). If there is any falsehood in Romney’s observation, let us know. However, the facts are the facts and the left has worked for a dependent society since 1965. After all those years and over $17 trillion, we have more in poverty than ever before, and many of these souls vote for the party that will keep them in poverty and keep those entitlements coming. This is the Democrat power base.
The 21st century Democrat has trampled all over the inspirational words of JFK, as well as MLK.
@Rich+Wheeler: Rich, first of all I appreciate your passion as well. I think it’s important to understand issues and have good discussions. I like my position in the sense that it holds people accountable. As far as rights of new groups as you have identified, I will let the Constitution and our laws speak. My position remains in tact. If States rights apply such as in Gay Marriage I think it is a travesty that the will of the people is NOT recognized!! As you know, here in California this issue was settled by state vote. Of course outside interests got involved and the liberal courts decided minority rules through the courts. On this I am NOT in agreement but recognize the courts. As far as the military is concerned I had and still have NO issues with Gays serving. But don’t ask don’t tell signed by Clinton worked from my point of view. But of course the Gay Agenda would NOT allow for compromise. I would recognize Gay Unions but of course the Gay Agenda would NOT compromise. I am far from a racist or homophone. My last boss in the VA was Black and Gay and I cared and worked for him in the same fashion without bias. We where both Corpsman/OR-Techs in the Navy and we called each other brothers from another mother. I believe you can oppose this agenda and NOT be racist or homophobe. Sadly there is NO compromise which I think reflects the sad conditions of our country today. Anyway on it goes towards destruction unless Americans once again are held accountable for themselves!!
@Rich+Wheeler:
Surely you don’t think Nixon was a bigger liar than Slick or Nobama. Do you? I’m not sure Nobama can legitiamately be called a liar. I don’t think the knows the truth and is not aware of what he says. So it may be blissful ignorance on his part.
@Rich+Wheeler: 59
That’s basically been where congress has been for the last 50 years, no matter who is in charge. And it’s always all them SOB’s from the OTHER states that are sorry. OUR congressmen are always great.
@Rich+Wheeler:
Two wrongs there Rich, it was in 1961 not 60 and it was an American, not an Irish American.
@Redteam: Jan 61 inauguration speech,and he was an Irish American as am I. I shook hands with him, and briefly spoke with him, in Cal summer of 62.
Nixon set the standard for being a paranoid liar–nobody has sunk to that level–yet.
@Rich+Wheeler:
Correct, and that was not in 1960, as you said.
Are you saying he was born in Ireland? What years was he an Irish citizen? What years was he an American citizen. If he was truly Irish-American then he was not a natural born citizen and not eligible to be president. Were you born in Ireland? Did you move there and become a citizen later? Or when did you move to US?
I’m going to venture that you are an American of Irish descent, not an Irish American(which implies dual citizenship) Or are you saying we should be a racist country that identifies everyone’s ethnicity?
@Rich+Wheeler:
What is your proof of that. I have the same proof that Obama is just as much a liar.
@Redteam: t think he means when nixon said he did not have sex with that woman or when he said if you like your plan/doctor you can keep them or i did not know about that till i read it in the paper or……
@Redteam: By definition Irish Americans are Americans who can trace their ancestry to the island of Ireland. I’m proud of my ancestry as was JFK and millions of other Irish Americans.
Duel citizenship?? You certainly have a penchant for making stuff up RT. lol
Nixon’s lies about his knowledge of the Watergate break in were on tape. He wasn’t just a liar he was stupid enough to have his lies recorded and then had his poor secretary Rose Mary Woods PARTIALLY erase what was recorded Eighteen minutes worth–why not erase the whole damn thing?
What a paranoid idiot..
@Rich+Wheeler:
I’lll make you a bet, you have 8 great grandparents. I’ll bet you that there are more of them from countries other than Ireland. But, the official definition of Irish American is people that immigrated from Ireland to the US. Having ancestors that did so just makes THEM Irish American. Now if your parents were Irish citizens when you were born, that might technically qualify you. Why are you not proud enough to be just plain old American? Did you learn the Pledge of Allegiance when you were growing up? But if you want to insist, then why not identify as African American, didn’t your ancestors come from there originally?
Wasn’t ‘if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor’ recorded? Wasn’t “I didn’t have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky” recorded? And neither of them thought to have that deleted. What idiots.
@obamarhhea:I think you’re right!!
@Redteam: I gave you the “official” definition in # 74.You are one strange dude RT, with a lot of time on your hands to make things up.
Nixon set the standard for lying and left in disgrace.
More recent liars which would include every Prez. since Tricky Dick have not fallen to his level of arrogant paranoia.
@Rich+Wheeler:
So now we’re down to “all presidents are liars, some get caught and some don’t. Some try to hide it (Nixon) some don’t (Obama, Clinton) and it’s just a matter of ‘who’s liar is a ‘better’ liar. Funny, I don’t share your standard, I don’t support anyone’s lying ability. If this
is what you’re calling ‘official’, then you are waaaaayyy off base. If that is ‘truly’ the ‘official’ definition, then you are African American because you can also trace your ancestry back to there. All humans can. But, what is it about America that you dislike so much that you have to qualify your citizenship to something you ‘think’ you ‘might’ be related to from generations ago?
And if you ‘think’ you can trace your ancestry to Ireland, I guess you’d like to know that Wheeler is derived from an English name, not Irish. So exactly how many of your 8 grandparents do you have a ‘direct’ line to Ireland? How many of them came here as slaves? As a matter of interest, the ‘official’ definition of Irish American is people that came to America from Ireland and that were Irish citizens and became American citizens. I doubt that you fit that category.
@Redteam: All pols are liars–it goes without saying—you don’t think Reagan lied? An Irishman who’d kissed the blarney stone.
Bush Sr. of CIA renown- read my lips.
I’ve noticed you make up “official” definitions on the fly—maybe you got a little of that R.R. blarney–he was the master.
@Rich+Wheeler:
I bet you were in line right behind Brian Williams.
Are you aware that Obama made that unequivocal statement about us keeping our insurance about a hundred times, and that was AFTER he knew it was a complete lie? Or, how about this:
http://taxfoundation.org/blog/jonathan-gruber-and-how-president-went-critic-supporter-taxing-health-benefits
Obama spent $100 million in ads making these accusations against McCain, then turned around and did exactly that. Would that be a lie? Sort of?
You liberals don’t care about lies. You only care about getting caught lying, and then all you do about it is blame everyone else.
@Rich+Wheeler:
In case you forgot, you’re the one that posted the ‘official definition’ back in 74.
you said:
then why were you singling out Nixon. If you want a truly prolific liar, Obama fills the bill.
I think it’s safe to say RR is the most admired American president ever. Every since he left office, the country has been going to hell.
@Redteam: You were the first to give what you called the “official definition” in #74. After that I was just laughing at your pomposity and inaccuracy. lol
Predictable you would say RR was “the most admired—“. Your messiah, “The Gipper,” was a puppet on Nancy’s strings.
An Irishman whose best days were playing Knute Rockne in the movies.
Note the # of Irish-American POTUS’ since JFK—Reagan, Kennedy and Clinton–all 3 had the Irish charm.
@Rich Wheeler:
I think they were all African-American by your definition.
So you didn’t answer my question. Can you actually track even one of your ancestors back to Ireland? If so, what was his/her address there in Ireland? Out of the 8 great grandparents how many can you track to Ireland? I’ll bet you can track all of them back to Africa, right? Why are you avoiding this question? Just why is being an American not good enough for you?
@Rich Wheeler: Do you think every American should put another country AHEAD of America, or just those that don’t like America all that much?
@Redteam: Even our Native Americans came from somewhere else. America is a melting pot, That is what makes us so great. I’ve got relatives from throughout the British Isles that came here for a better life. It is our immigrants that have always made us stronger.
@Rich Wheeler:
IF you are going to be racist about it, it would be more correct to say Native African Americans. We all started out in Africa, remember?
So how many of your relatives did you say came from Ireland? Were they amongst the many Irish that came here as slaves?
Are you now dropping your Irish claim in favor of British Isles American?
Do you advocate everyone putting their ancestors native countries ahead of America? Or are you saying you are Irish-British Isles-African American? Any more countries that should be there?
@Redteam: If you think you’re African American I’m not gonna argue with you. Be proud RT.
@Rich Wheeler: I don’t put qualifiers ahead of my citizenship as you apparently feel is necessary for you. Me and all my ancestors for at least 3 generations are American. So I just go by American. You can continue to be an Irish-British Iles-African-all others-American.
@Redteam: RT says ” Me and all my ancestors for at least three generations are Americans.”
Bully for you and your ancestors RT.
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Compares favorably with award winning “Breaking Bad” and “True Detectives”
@Rich Wheeler: It’s very strange how you started out all proud of your ancestry but when I ask you a couple detail questions, you ain’t got nothing to say. I have no problem telling you all my 8 great grand parents are American, seems as if there is a deep dark secret about yours. Is it perhaps only a smidgeon of Irish cruising around in your blood system? Why won’t you say why you are ashamed to say you are American. Why do you feel a need to put some other country ahead of America? I think you waded off in some deep doo doo and don’t know how to get out of it gracefully. So tell us, why does America come last with you? Are you that ashamed of Obama?
@Redteam: America is a great country that I proudly served, in combat. as a Marine Corps Officer. Do I think there are many other great countries. You betcha and I’ve had the good fortune of visiting many of them.. I’d rank Obama in front of “W” and Ford and behind Clinton and Reagan–about even with HW and Carter.
@Rich Wheeler:
but not ‘proudly’ enough to put it first. Nope, when you say you are Irish first American second, that means you have reason to put others ahead of the US. You need to think about what you are saying before you say them. I notice you are now backtracking at high speed. Tell us all about how great Ireland is to the extent that you think it is ahead of America.
@Redteam: Ireland is a fabulous country with warm friendly people—drunk or sober.Have you been there. You’d love it.
It seems Conservs. are the ones always blasting America. You know that terrible 47% of our citizens “on the dole” The lamestream media–the environmentalists, the rabble rousing race baiters, the socialists. Why the hell would you even want to live here the way you despise it so?
@Rich Wheeler: You’ve never heard me refer to myself as a ‘blank’ American.
give an example, I don’t know any conserv blasting America. blasting Muslim Obama, yes. America no.
Are those the persons you admire? Strange bedfellows.
Nope, been to 41 countries outside the US, but Ireland is not one of them. Have you been there?
@Rich Wheeler: I’m a Scotch-Irish-Czech American. I’ve been to Ireland several times. What difference – at this point – does it make? Why do YOU want to live in America, Rich? To bring it down to its knees as fascist-leftists with similar ideas desire? To destroy the middle class? To kill the greatest economic system in human history, capitalism? What drives your hatred and obsession for bringing us all down and making us suffer the fate you would have for us? Do you think that a socialist dictatorship would be a better system? Do you want world government? Is it Caucasian guilt? Is it a desire to be ruled? Masochism? What is it? I really would like to understand. I want to hear your vision for the future of the United States of America.
I’m a Pangaean-American.
@Angel Artiste: When one questions my patriotism or love of country I must first ask “did you serve under arms?” If so I salute you. If not why not?
My vision for America has always been—TR’S “Talk softly but carry a big stick.” Compassion for those with less and a desire to be a voice for the voiceless.
America is a country of immigrants who have come to improve their lives. It is in that diversity that we find our strength.
Semper Fi
@Bill: I think we may all be. well maybe -American- Pangaean
@Rich Wheeler:
I don’t see where Angel Artiste questioned your patriotism. But I do see where you seem to find it necessary to keep referring to your service. When asked, I proudly say I served, but it is my choice, something people such as you and I have given us the rights to volunteer or not, as we as Americans have the right to do. I don’t find it dishonorable not to have serve, unless you do it in such a way as one of your idols, Clinton dodged the draft.
Are you suggesting they come here to be Americans? Then why not call themselves Americans.
@Rich Wheeler: Thank you for your service, if authentic. My son-n-law served in both Iraq invasions under W & HW, but he came back and joined ISO (International Socialist Organization). He is very intelligent, but is an emotional child, completely lacking in maturity. He cries that he has been “oppressed” all of his life, when actually he has led a very privileged existence. I think this is a common trait among leftists.
@Angel Artiste: A follower of Ayn Rand? That says it all.
I think compassion is the greatest of all virtues.
My dd-214 is on file with F.A. Authors
@Angel Artiste: I think you’re correct in that being a trait of lefties. Seems as if they have grown to expect that ‘society’ will have the responsibility to take care of them. They have clearly demonstrated that they can’t be relied on to ‘do the right thing’. An example look at the now revealed facts of the altering of scientific data that was historically recorded to ‘show that there is global warming’. And the really strange thing, lefties don’t see anything wrong with lying to make their case.
@Rich Wheeler:
where did you get that information?
Is that voluntary? I doubt anyone required it of you.
Greatest? I prefer that my wife love me, rather than have compassion for me. Maybe you should review a list of the virtues.
@Bill: #96
I’m a mutt American, because I have several nationalities in me.
@Rich Wheeler: Obviously, you’ve been to my blog, which has a picture of Ayn Rand and George Orwell. I don’t agree with either of them completely, but they have been prophetic in recognizing the evil intent of the left.
“I think compassion is the greatest of all virtues”, I believe you said. The problem with this is that your compassion, as well as the “compassion” of fellow leftists has been hijacked and perverted by politicians who are either idiots or just evil. “The Great Society” was supposed to eliminate poverty through “compassionate” government handouts. Instead, over 50 years later, the level of poverty in this country has never been higher. The poor are now slaves to the government, incentivized not to be productive and self-reliant and lift themselves out of poverty. Poor mothers were incentivized not to have fathers for their children, giving rise to a generation of aimless, violent teenage boys. “Compassion” for the environment has led to a gigantic hoax to steal Americans’ incomes and freedoms by scaring them with tales of death and destruction. Now, the greatest healthcare system in human history is being destroyed before our eyes under the guise of “compassion” for the uninsured. Guess what, the number of uninsured hasn’t gone down. People can’t afford the new inflated premiums even with government subsidies. The only change has been that a criminally incompetent government now has greater control over our lives and one-sixth more of the US economy.
If you truly are “compassionate”, Mr. Wheeler, donate to private charities, such as Wounded Warrior or other worthwhile causes, like conservatives do by a large margin more than leftists.
When you hand over your “compassion” to the government, you are a hypocrite. It costs you nothing to absolve yourself of guilt and call yourself “compassionate”. Instead, you invite unintended consequences, incompetence, corruption, and evil intent. The “compassionate” left is the cause of most of the strife and misery our country is currently facing. All this just to allow leftists to feel good about themselves, take the moral high ground, and look down their noses at those racist, uncaring, and ignorant middle class conservatives who are left to foot the bill and feel the brunt of the misery for the left’s “compassion”.
@Smorgasbord: You’re a smorgasbord American. What’s your thoughts on the way certain Conservatives on here continuously denigrate gay Americans?
Angel Artiste Are you saying I should feel bad about taking the moral high ground?
@Rich Wheeler: #106
Before I was born, I wasn’t asked if I wanted to be gay, straight, transgender, or other. I also wasn’t asked what color, country, income level, IQ level, or anything else. I’m guessing that nobody else got to CHOOSE any of them.
The US Constitution, Bill Of Rights, and federal laws created since, do not mention marriage, so ANY kind of marriage is legal by federal law, unless laws have been added that I don’t know about.
The Constitution says that the states can create their own laws, as long as the laws don’t interfere with federal laws. If a state wants to ban gay marriage, they can.
@Rich Wheeler: Angel Artiste Are you saying I should feel bad about taking the moral high ground?
No, I’m saying you are a hypocrite for acting like you deserve the moral high ground, when in fact you are causing more misery. It costs you nothing to absolve yourself of guilt by giving all responsibility for “compassion” to an incompetent, corrupt government while pointing your accusing finger at the racist, uncaring conservatives who donate the large majority of charitable funds (as opposed to supposedly “compassionate” leftists) to private charities, including those that support minorities. They are putting their money where their compassion is, while you and your leftist compatriots are not. That is the epitome of hypocrisy.
@Rich Wheeler:
I’m wondering who has been denigrating gays? Am I one of those?
@Angel Artiste: I’d question if you have given as much in time and money to The Wounded Warriors as I have? ” Compassionate Conservatism” W called for it. A good goal.
Smorg I agree that very few choose to be gay.
Bill No
@Smorgasbord:
Smorg, I’m sorry to say that even though you are 100% correct, the federal courts see nothing wrong with themselves violating the constitution. The very principle of the United States is that it is a union of states that rule themselves except in matters that the Federal Constitution cover for the common good. Deciding who can marry who has no place in a federal court unless there is a situation that is covered by the constitution.
@Rich Wheeler: .
Rich, what is your thoughts on the way certain Socialists/liberals on here continuously denigrate Americans?
I don’t think I’ve seen anyone on this blog denigrating gays, have you?
@Rich Wheeler:
Do you also think your daddy can beat his daddy?
@Rich Wheeler: I don’t know how much you have given to Wounded Warriors, so I can’t say if it’s more than me. You did not respond to my primary point. Leftists think they are our moral superiors because they support “compassionate” government programs. However, government programs have proven to be utter failures in assisting the poor. Poverty has never been greater in this country. The money goes to grow government and increase politicians’ power. On the other hand, conservatives donate their own money to private charitable causes much more than “compassionate” leftists. In that regard, leftists are insufferable hypocrites. They are always willing to spend other people’s money on “compassionate” programs so that they can turn around and self-righteously denigrate those of us who realize the programs are detrimental to those they were intended to help and a waste of our tax money.
@Angel ArtisteI don’t believe Conservatives give a higher percentage of their income to the less fortunate than Dems. I certainly don’t think they commit more of their time to help the poor and disabled.
One of my family’s causes is to help bring an end to the brutal treatment and slaughter of animals in factory farms. Our undercover investigators have gone into these slaughter houses and taken footage of the carnage,
Ag -gag laws introduced by Repubs. are trying to prevent this horrific filmage of the slaughter from being taken and shown to consumers,
Watch Farm To Fridge if you can stomach it.
Thanks A.A.
@Rich Wheeler:
I’m sure you don’t believe it, but it’s true. Study after study proves this.
http://dailycaller.com/2010/09/23/surprise-conservatives-are-more-generous-than-liberals/
Nothing in your response refutes that you are a “compassionate” hypocrite.
@Angel Artiste:
He usually doesn’t when he’s wrong. He tries to ignore it.
Rich: Official numbers for the last 40 or 50 years show that conservatives consistently give more in time and money to charitable causes. I’m surprised you would even pick that topic for discussion since it is clearly a loser for your side.
Do you get a lot of thank you notes from the cows that are killed by gunshot rather than by a sledge hammer? Also, you might not get as much recognition for this as you might like, I’m not sure what the chickens and cows methods of thanking you might be. One thing I’m sure of is that efforts of groups such as you’re a part of are making the situation worse. The US used to be covered in cow and chicken farms and American farmers were making a decent living. I’m sure some of them might not have lived in humane conditions, but actions of groups have now driven these businesses out of the country where we have absolutely no say in the treatment of the animals and a lot of chicken and cow farmers are now on welfare/food stamps buying their chickens from Mexico. You been to Mexico or the Philipines to make those people improve living conditions for animals? The conditions are now worse and the costs are higher. Good job.
I think it should be required viewing for all Dimocrats and their young children, don’t you? So they will grow up to be ‘do gooders’ also, don’t you?
@Redteam: I love being a do-gooder Thanks for the compliment.
The alternative of being a cold hearted asshole like you gives me no pleasure.
@Rich Wheeler:
Ooooo! Redteam! You must have really struck a chord with Wheeler. The true asshole is the high and mighty, holier than thou, “compassionate” hypocrite. No one will ever convince him he is not due for sainthood, while he and his ilk leave a trail of destruction behind them.
@Angel Artiste: A.A Long before you showed up R.T has shown himself to be a proud racist cracker. You wanna join him have at it. Your far right brand of hatred will hopefully die out when old timers like you pass on. Shouldn’t be too long.
@Redteam: #111
Could it be that our federal court system is being infiltrated, just like the USA tries to do with other countries to try to turn them into a more free type country? There will always be people who want more power than they should have. Our Liar-N-Chief is a good example.
@Rich Wheeler: “Your far right brand of hatred will hopefully die out when old timers like you pass on. Shouldn’t be too long.”
Again you prove that being a leftist means standing on your head and telling the world it is upside-down. All the hate is on your side. You are the one who is wishing me to die. Conservatives didn’t shoot three Muslims over a parking dispute in Chapel Hill. Almost all mass murders over the past 10 years have been conducted by hate-filled leftists or hate-filled Islamists (birds of a feather?). You leftists are also very skilled at projecting your hate on others so that you can feel guiltless, and go on being “compassionate”.
This sums it up:
@Rich Wheeler: oooooh Richie, getting a little sensitive? Maybe it should be your buddy in DC that you should be upset about. He is the first president ever to throw the Marine Corps under the bus. The ultimate embassassment of the US’s proudest Service. Send Obama a kiss and ask him to make it better.
@Rich Wheeler:
oh, but at least you’ve tried it. What were you a cold hearted asshole about that gave you no pleasure?
and Angel Artiste said: “No one will ever convince him he is not due for sainthood, while he and his ilk leave a trail of destruction behind them. ” And it’s already started with his buddy forcing the Marines to surrender in Yemen. I have a real childhood friend that served in the Corps and he said he has a tear in his eye. RW, are you applauding Obama? Do you realize he forced them to remove their uniforms and wear civilian clothes and give up their arms. Full Surrender ordered by our Idiot in Chief.
Possibly they give more because they have so much more to feel guilty about?
@Rich Wheeler:
There is nothing you can point to that shows me to be a racist. There is much to show that you PRETEND to be a proud Marine. I haven’t seen your condemnation of Obama for throwing them under the bus.
@Greg:
The only guilt I feel is that we let idiots such as Obozo order the Marines in Yemen to take off their uniforms and hand over their weapons to ISIS. That has never before happened to a U S Marine. I guess they’ll be adding another phrase to the Marine Hymn From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli to the embassy at Yemen where we surrendered to the En o Mee…..
You like that Richie? I guess I’d better copyright that.
Would you have ordered U.S. embassy personnel and their Marine guards to stand their ground and wait to be overrun by rebel forces? Maybe we should have airdropped Bill O’Reilly in, to take command of the situation.
It’s been reported that the Marines destroyed all weapons but their light arms, as ordered. You can also safely bet that sensitive equipment and documents were also rendered useless.
Sometimes an orderly evacuation is the right move. Of course, it deprives FOX News and the GOP of an exploitable Benghazi opportunity.
@Greg:
Why would you think that a president that would order the US Marine Corp to surrender to ISIS would order the destruction of valuable info for ISIS. It wouldn’t be consistent.
I would have assured them that reinforcements were on the way and within about 6 hours there wouldn’t have been a live SOB within 6 city blocks outside the embassy.
@Greg:
Orderly evacuation? As in ‘complete surrender’?
Rich Wheeler, why is our Resident Marine not commenting about The Surrender at Yemen?
@Redteam: It’s a bullshit story already retracted by Fox. Keep watching Meghan back track.
No weapons were taken by, or turned over to, the enemy. You’re a slacker swabbie and don’t know shit about U.S. Marines.
Semper Fi
BTW IT’S CORPS NOT CORP #129 ordered The Marines to surrender to ISIS–You are an idiot.
@Redteam, #129:
Nobody “surrendered to ISIS.”
When you abandon an embassy, you routinely destroy whatever you don’t want falling into unfriendly hands. That’s pretty much standard procedure.
And then do what? Invade Yemen, to protect an embassy mission to a foreign government that has ceased to exist? If there’s no government there to deal with, there’s nothing to be gained by guarding a building that’s serving no purpose. It only creates another setup for disaster.
@Rich Wheeler:
I didn’t drop the S, the computer did. Look at 123 and 124.
I heard that Obozo ordered the surrender then the alteration to the Hymn to fit the situation. Oh, sure, so all those highly pissed generals that know the facts are wrong? He throws your service under the bus and YOU defend him? Now, even I who don’t question people’s claimed service am beginning to wonder. I don’t believe a Marine would defend Obozo.
@Greg:
they didn’t abandon it, they ‘surrendered’ it. quite a difference.
Tell the world that I stood behind our brave young men and would never order them to surrender to the enemy.
@Greg:
The building is American property, the people inside were Americans, the military was the US Marine Corps.
Rich, you need to take the high ground, you know there is no defense of Obama for his capitulation to ISIS.
All of whom are still alive, and are not being held as hostages by fanatics. To hell with the property. It’s just dirt. In Yemen. A wise strategist chooses his battles.
@Greg:
by definition it is American Soil. But then you really don’t consider America worth defending, do you?
They would no longer be referred to as fanatics if we had a president that wasn’t a traitor. They would be known as ‘dead people’
Definitions are very nice, but a definition isn’t what determines the safety and security of U.S. personnel when the government of a host nation collapses and hostile rebels take control. Remember the Iran hostage crisis?
No thanks. We’ll pass this time, and fight on our own terms at a time of our own choosing. You might want to keep an eye on the sky.
There’s a lot more to be concerned about at the moment than hanging onto the embassy property in Yemen.
@Greg: Perhaps the question that needs to be asked and answered, Greg, is why did this take Obama by such surprise? Just a couple of months ago, he was bragging about the progress in Yemen. He has been negotiating with and supporting the very people that promoted the movement that just kicked our asses our of our own embassy.
The answer is that Obama is a weak, confused fool that not only has no interest in national security but has no idea as to how to achieve or maintain it. He oozes weakness out of his very pores and groups all around the globe are taking great advantage of that weakness. Yemen is but one example and by no means the worst. Just one in a series.
That’s the problem; what the hell are “our terms”? We don’t appear to have any.
Nobody was taken by surprise. Everyone has expected Yemen to become a serious trouble spot for a long time now. Except for a single drone strike in 2002, all drone and airstrikes in Yemen have been carried out by the Obama administration. There have been 15 airstrikes and 104 drone strikes in Yemen since he took office. Apparently you figure we could invade everywhere and impose our will on everybody, all while cutting taxes and balancing the budget.
The right is now filled to capacity with political opportunists and marginal morons who wouldn’t have a clue how to handle things half as well themselves. They can’t even get themselves sufficiently organized do their own jobs properly when they have control of both Houses of Congress. They’re like a crew of blustering baboons that claim they could solve everything, if only they were given full control of the nation’s supply of hand grenades. I’d like to hear what their specific constructive suggestions are. Chest thumping and bluster and continuous condemnation of the person who actually has to decide how to respond to world events rather than expounding on what should have been done in retrospect isn’t really helpful to the nation.
@Greg: The Marines executed their mission perfectly. All embassy personnel out safely–no casualties civilian or military Weaponry destroyed. Walk in the park. Surrender–NUTS
ISIS will be eliminated with extreme prejudice. Even while traitors like RT sing their praises.
@Greg:
Well damn! Obama was ‘expecting’ this and still was not prepared? What the hell?
And Obama still got caught with his pants down? You’re sure not speaking highly of your anointed.
Why not 100 air strikes and 312 drone strikes if that was what was needed? The point of warfare is to make those bastards die for their actions, not to get Americans killed.
Had Obama not had his pants down, we wouldn’t be looking at the surrender of an embassy ‘in retrospect’.
@Rich Wheeler:
You’re joking? Right? Surrender was their mission? changing into civilian clothes and handing over their weapons was their mission? Abandoning American soil was their mission?
What? Russia is sending troops over there?
So you’re conceding defeat? name calling is your last resort? You might well be the only former Marine that supports Obama. I’ve not heard of any others. Was that you that he saluted with the styrofoam cup in his hand?
@Redteam: Handing over their weapons–to who? Surrendering?–why aren’t they prisoners? You drop your pants for Fox news.
You are a serial BULLSHITER RT.
You’re the one conceding defeat and that’s why you are a cowardly traitor.
Rich, when you were in the Corps, how many times was it your mission to surrender? and be escorted out of the country? Were you successful at that? Do you suppose Obama sent the Corps an order that he had worked out a deal where if the Marines surrendered they would be allowed to leave the Embassy and country without casualties and that was their ‘mission’? How often do you think that the Marines plan a mission that they consider it to be successful if they surrender and abandon their arms and leave? As I said, I have a childhood friend that served in the Corps and he has tears in his eyes today. Knowing that the President made a deal that required the Marines to surrender, abandon their post, leave in disgrace? Yep, we have a fine leader of our nation right now. Praise Allah. (we better get used to that)
@Rich Wheeler:
Once the president has ordered it, we may as well all agree. You think those Marines abandoned that embassy without a fight without being ordered to do so by the President? The Embassy is American soil. Marines that are ordered to defend American property will do so unless ordered not to do so. The only person that could give that order is this case was Zero.
@Rich Wheeler:
Do you really expect NBC the home of Brian Williams to tell the truth? They all crap in their pants when Zero tells them to. Fox tries to be neutral, but it’s hard when you’ve got such a Zero your’re talking about.
@Redteam:” Fox tries to be neutral” What world do you live in?
Marines surrendered to Isis— Did FOX actually say that? Or did you ad lib.
I only watch O’Reilly. Did he say that? Seriously.
@Rich Wheeler: Actually I read it in about 100 places on the internet. I haven’t watched O’Reilly yesterday or today. Nor Megan Kelly either. I have them recorded, I’ll check them out later and see what they have to say. In fact, I haven’t tuned to Fox since Monday or Tuesday. Got it all off internet. It’s all over the place.
@Richie Wheeler: here’s one quote, notice it is from CNN
CNN is made up of Zero’s boot lickers.
@Redteam:You read it on the internet—seriously?? Clowns bull shitting each other. That’s your source to run off at the mouth like you did.
Marine Corps official statement–No weapons turnover to anyone. No weapons taken away. No Marine turned over a weapon to a Houti and none were taken away.
Crew served weapons were destroyed at The Embassy. Personal weapons were rendered inoperable at the airport and the destroyed components were left behind
You can believe the Marines Corps or your internet warriors.
Kelly got bad info and erroneously went with it. Hannity is on now and hasn’t mentioned the earlier claim.
@Rich Wheeler: So you admit CNN are a bunch of clowns?
@Redteam: There are clowns on every news channel—without question.
Like I said I believe The Marine Corps statement.
CNN is one of the most reliable sources of factual, accurate televised news coverage. FOX News, which is highly biased and often anything but factual, isn’t even in the same ballpark.
The problem is that once a person has been thoroughly propagandized, they’re no longer capable of making an objective evaluation. That’s the entire point of brainwashing.
@Rich Wheeler:
. I haven’t read the Marine Corps statement. But tell me your version of why the US Marines are not now in the Yemen embassy and why the Marines that left Yemen did not do so with their weapons or wearing their Marine uniforms. Your claim is that they fulfilled their mission. This seems as if you’re saying that their mission was to abandon the embassy and destroy or surrender their weapons and get the hell out of the country. Could you give me an estimate of how many other American embassy’s have Marines that are stationed at them to fulfill that same mission? Would that number be nearer 0 or 100? I find it hard to believe that the US Marine Corp would accept an assignment to guard an embassy until you are challenged then throw down your arms and get the hell out of there. Do you believe that was their mission? I don’t really expect you to give an honest answer to the questions because it wouldn’t be something you would want to believe.
@Greg:
Soooo, that’s why no one watches them. Very interesting.
What can I say? America is becoming dumber with every passing year. For all I know the FOX audience is larger because they’ve populated their cable slot with female news readers that look like Las Vegas hookers, and provide regular doses of outrage for anger junkies. The main fault I find with CNN is the same as with all the others—they totally fixate on stories that don’t really matter that much but hold the viewer’s attention, and let all other stories slide until they’ve milked them for all their worth.
@Redteam: The primary mission of the Marine Embassy Guard is to provide security-for embassy staff and protect classified information and equipment vital to National Security.’ I believe this was accomplished. .
@Greg:Fox ” Populated with female news readers who look like Las Vegas hookers.”
Is that a bad thing?
Don’t forget the mentally challenged pretty boy Sean who is put out front for the ladies.
love Bill O—-Reminds me of my dad.
@Rich Wheeler:
Read more: http://therightscoop.com/centcom-outraged-at-state-dept-for-ordering-marines-to-destroy-their-weapons-during-yemen-evacuation/#ixzz3Rb7z4xsj
Sounds as if they’re saying they hauled ass and threw down their guns. Hard to believe that was their mission.
Seems as if you watch Fox more than I do. Those are some great looking chicks. Gretchen was Miss America, Megan is even better looking.
@Greg: Every time Obama has another massive failure (it’s been about an hour… time for the next one), you leftists go out on the offensive against Fox, as if they caused his failure. Though far too many get dragged into your little trap of diverting attention from the failure to someone that mentions the failure, your diversionary tactic is transparent. Like many others, I have yet to see the story reported on Fox (not that it hasn’t been; I just did not see it there), yet you would like someone to believe they are the only people “lying” about yet another failure of leadership.
I feel deep sorrow in my heart for those Marines because I know they were ordered to surrender. Obama, once again, had a situation in Yemen that he could take political advantage of and claimed he had instigated some sort of “success”, then just ignored it like he does anything else that requires effort; like he did Obamacare. So, to prevent American deaths caused by one of his “successes” which would sort of stain his illustrious career, they had to surrender and hand over their weapons. Once again, Obama provides a tremendous propaganda boost to our enemies. Once again, US weakness is exploited. Once again, Obama, the Clueless, suffers another foreign policy failure, which places the nation in greater danger, while he worries about his personal legacy.
It’s all Fox’s fault. Fox and Bush.
I haven’t put on the TV but this latest failure by Obama occurred while he was playing with his selfie
stick.
Yesterday.
ISIS attacked al-Baghdadi from two directions earlier in the day and then advanced on the town.
Islamic State insurgents took control on Thursday of large parts of the western Iraqi town of al-Baghdadi, threatening an air base where U.S. Marines are training Iraqi troops, officials said.
So, there you have it.
Obama’s priorities are play (golf or, with self) while world burns.
@Nanny: and Bill There could be a real battle coming in al Baghdadi–where U.S. ground troops will engage with ISIS in the next 72 hours
Keep in mind the mission of an Embassy Guard stated earlier. That mission was carried out.
Re Fox–no different than others who start squawking before checking the facts.
@Rich Wheeler: I don’t think the issue is how the Marines carried out their “mission” or what that was. The actual issue is why they were put in that position without any consideration of back-up. The issue is that, yet again, this administration is caught completely by surprise and our military personnel are put at risk. Needlessly.
For what they had as resources and what they were confronted with, the situation of the Marines was probably hopeless. Maybe another “Alamo” would be an inspirational rallying cry, but we would wonder “why?”.
If Obama doesn’t know what he is doing or doesn’t want to do his job, he should turn the task over to the military. People WILL die. And it will be unnecessary; or, at least, preventable.
@Rich Wheeler:
I’d like to see, in writing, the mission of the Marine guard at a US Embassy. It must go something like this:
You are to stand at the entrances to the Embassy in your dress blues and look like you’re protecting something. You are also to follow the high ranking politicians around and serve as bellhops and butlers for them. If someone outside threatens the embassy, you are to change into civilian clothes, abandon your weapons, destroy them if you have time unless you’re ordered not to do so by the enemy outside. Drive to the nearest airport carrying the dumbass politicians with you. Abandon all Suburbans and Escalades for the enemy, ready to go, fully fueled and keys in the ignition. Get on first plane out.
Hmmm, I can see why you might think they accomplished their mission.
Note to Marines, I have no disrespect for you, this was written as a speculation on what Rich seems to think the Marine mission at Yemen was.
@Redteam:I gave you the primary mission in #160. Do as you will with it.
Hate to say it but Fox news is more accurate than the 100 internet warriors you rely on for news.
@Rich Wheeler: You believe?
But no one has verified that any of that ‘mission’ was accomplished. NO ONE! But it has been confirmed that the mission as I stated it was fully accomplished.
You defend Obozo when he allows the embarrassment of one of the things you seem to value. You must truly be ‘endoctrinated’.
@Rich Wheeler:
I just can’t believe this. Doesn’t Obama claim that there are no ground troop in Iraq? Didn’t he end the involvement in Iraq? Is this a new war authorized by the US Congress?
@Redteam: I gave you The Mission which was accomplished according to the Marine Corps statement that you published in your#162. Are you calling them liars? What part was not accomplished? KISS please.
You keep bringing up your favorite subject– Obama. You’re reminding me of Sean H.—minus the perfect hair
@Rich Wheeler:
How do you know if my hair is ‘perfect’ or not?
Absolutely not. they clearly admit they abandoned the embassy, threw down their weapons or surrendered them to the enemy, and retreated at full speed. All very truthful. What they didn’t say, I don’t really think that was their ‘mission’.
I found this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Security_Guard
I don’t see anything in that that says their mission is to cut and run, throw down their arms and quickly abandon the property. Could you clear that up?
@Rich Wheeler:
Is the fact that you are avoiding him is because that he has lost a little of his lustre? He might not still be your hero?
@Bill, #163:
My contempt for FOX News predates the Obama presidency. FOX News facilitated the take down effort against Bill Clinton, which has much in common with the current take down effort against Barack Obama. They helped to shift the attention of the nation away from the growing threat of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden to the tawdry Monica Lewinsky soap opera and to keep it there. They characterized Clinton’s warnings and even his missile attack on al Qaeda training camps as an effort to distract America’s attention from that absurdity. They may have performed a service for the GOP, but they performed no service for America.
FOX News was then instrumental selling Bush’s invasion of Iraq to a fearful American people after 9/11, once again shifting the nation’s focus from the people who had just attacked us to a crack-brained Neocon scheme for regime change in Iraq, which had been publicly placed on their To Do list before 9/11 occurred and before Bush had even been selected as the republican candidate. The Project for a New American Century may have scrubbed all of that from their website before quietly slipping back into the shadows, but I sure as hell remember what they were up to, and which members of the Bush administration were card-carrying members. FOX News helped give America the War in Iraq, and all that has followed. Thank you, FOX.
FOX News now has the primary mission of assisting the GOP in it’s attempt to destroy Barack Obama. To that end, they’ve used every means possible to erode confidence in a person, his programs, and his competence to handle any threats or problems that may arise. This they’ve done as the nation he leads has struggled to rise back to it’s feet from an economic near-catastrophe of global proportion, and as his administration has attempted to counter the threat of Islamic terrorism. They even seem to be perfectly alright with the fact that the Speaker of the House has just deliberately sabotaged the Obama Administration’s efforts to rein in Iran’s nuclear program by negotiations. The rationale for supporting this dumb ass move that some argue might actually border on treason—a rationale possibly indicative of some level of brain damage—seems to be, “Oh, it wasn’t going to work anyway.” They seem to be totally oblivious to the likely consequences of the only options that will remain, should that effort fail. They are not good options. None of them. But why, of course, should anyone try to think that far ahead?
Considering all of that, why should any intelligent person have a positive opinion of FOX News?
I don’t feel sorrow in the least. I’m entirely happy that an intelligent decision was made that kept them alive rather than sacrificing them for no good reason. I approve of the fact that that a decision was made that kept them from being taken hostage and turned into pawns to be used against their own nation. I’m also guessing that their families probably approve as well.
There’s a difference between surrender and retreat. Perhaps the distinction is too subtle for people in the FOX News peanut gallery.
@Redteam: Do you see anything about making an Alamo type defense?. . They completed the mission as defined in statement you published.
As usual you get long winded and make stuff up. That’s you RT.
Are you as pretty as Sean? Do you despise BHO as much as he does? Both would be difficult.
@Greg:
Ah, but you forget that Clinton was the one trying to divert attention by creating a little war over Kosovo. That had to be covered, right?
@Redteam, #176:
Serbia was engaging in genocide. Clinton didn’t create the war, the war was already underway. And it was a NATO response, not a U.S. response.
While we’re on Fox News, just watching the Five, they are talking about presidents without a college degree and they don’t mention Obama. Seems as if they’ve bought into the lie also. He only claims to have 2 years with failing grades at occidental and an affirmative action law degree from Harvard. I’m not sure if affirmative action degrees are ‘actually’ degrees or not. Since he took that AF degree and went to the Illinois bar to get licensed only to have it revoked when he was found to have lied on his application.
@Greg:
Gee, it’s a surprise to find out that Clinton didn’t send troops over there. I know some vets that ‘thought’ they went over there. So, did NATO win, or Serbia?
@Greg:
Oh, NO!! The evil Fox News was taking down Clinton? Did Bill O’Reilley put Bubba’s pecker in Monica’s mouth? I kinda think Bubba did that on his own. Maybe you are confused by comparing a network that reported the news as it happens as opposed to CNN (the Clinton News Network, if you remember the parlance of the day) that had to get stories cleared through the DNC before they could run them. Further, though I have asked (receiving, of course, no answer), who on Fox is the counterpart to Dan Rather, willfully running a fabricated story in order to affect an upcoming election? Of course, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, CNN and NPR all can share in the responsibility, not of inventing and airing stories, but actively suppressing harmful (yet factual and relevant) news stories about Obama and Democrat failures, scandals and incompetence.
I have asked you specifically what are all these lies Fox propagates and, again, silence. Static. White noise. Oh, I am sure they have erred or even been over-zealous at times (the Shirley Sherrod story comes to mind), but these are usually identifies almost immediately and corrected; with apologies, if necessary. In the alternate universe, we have regularly edited tapes, racial incitement, omission of important details (like the politician just convicted of corruption was a Democrat).
There have been numerous studies which actually counts the positive and negative stories on specific topics and Fox is nearly always the most “fair and balanced”, to use a phrase. Sorry, Greg, but the evidence is simply not on your side. The hyperbole is, as usual, but the facts…. well, not so much.
Now that is a valiant effort, Greg. You get points for that one; I can honestly confess that is the first time an excuse that stupid has been forwarded. You are aware that Clinton consciously and willingly passed on at least FOUR golden opportunities to kill or capture bin Laden, right? Had people at the scene with eyes on him and the capabilities to take him out or away… and just passed. This was Fox’s fault? Really?
That could only be because you cannot fathom how someone dedicated to serving their country feels when they get shafted. True, there would have been no reason to loose lives in Yemen. The problem, though, is how and why they were put at such risk at the scene of one of Obama’s self-described “successes”? Obama seems to do that alot, and I guess at least he learned a little from abandoning 4 Americans in Benghazi and getting them killed. That video story is only going to work once.
Perhaps a subtle difference, but there are not too many different ways to describe a disaster and embarrassment. And, by the way, I have yet to see the Fox coverage of the event. See what happens when you jump to conclusions, blaming all your god’s failures on some evil source which exists only in your mind? You wind up looking stupid and biased. Good news for you, though… I hear there is an opening at NBC for someone with just those talents.
The fact that some people can’t separate the NATO intervention in Bosnia and Herzegovina from thoughts about Monica Lewinsky’s dress might suggest what FOX News has done to their thought processes.
Fock Fux News. That pretty much sums it up.
@Redteam: C’mon Pinocchio 1) No disciplinary action ever taken against BHO law license.
2) BHO claims he graduated from Columbia and Harvard Law. If Fox 4 agree it leaves your claim that he didn’t even attend Columbia—strange??
I could go on but why bother—enjoy the weekend Tomorrow is Valentines Day–don’t forget her!
If President Obama had ordered the embassy staff and their guards to remain in Yemen under current circumstances, the opportunistic right would be ranting about the total irresponsibility and cluelessness of that decision. There’s no question in my mind about it.
But Obama did order 320 US Marines to stay and try to train 700 Iraqi forces in a base that is NOW surrounded.
Do they have the discernment to tell if they are shooting at an ISIS fighter or an Iraqi fighter (since both wear the exact same uniform?)
What about our air cover?
Can they tell apart Iraqi fighters from ISIS fighters in the same uniforms?
Innocent blood because Obama didn’t evacuate our Marines.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/isis-fighters-sneak-iraqi-base-wearing-iraqi-army/story?id=28944455&cid=fb_abcn
Yes, as ABC is reporting ISIS has infiltrated the base where our Marines are.
All of the ISIS infiltrators were killed as the attack was repelled.
I don’t believe the Marines are remaining at the al-Asad base because of any casually taken decision. I don’t think our people were pulled out of Yemen because of any casually taken decision, either. What’s going to happen next won’t be focused on Yemen. We should all be hoping that it goes well. The absence of an intention to avoid sending U.S. ground troops specifically for combat operations doesn’t mean that it won’t happen. Everybody knows that. That’s what many Congressional democrats are presently worried about.
@Rich Wheeler: 2)
No he doesn’t. give me a quote from him that says he graduated from Columbia.
Don’t you think it’s odd that every detail of every year and every class that Scott Walker attended, and he didn’t even graduate, is known by everyone with all the stories being told and not one single person ever saw Obama in even one class at Columbia and the lie is that he attended Columbia. There is not and never will be any proof that he ever set foot on the Columbia campus. There is no proof that he ever attended a class at Harvard. He only was awarded an Affirmative Action degree based on a huge donation by a Socialist sponsor.
@Redteam: Lrt’s be clear. You are saying Obama has never claimed he went to Columbia.
You are saying there is no proof he ever attended class at Harvard Law.
You got some real crazies you are listening to RT I doubt if Conservatives at F.A believe your claims.
How bout your claim his Law License was revoked–you sticking with that lie Pinocchio?
Pinocchio 3 You say below “Marine mission is to protect the Embassy” It is not. re-read the statement YOU posted
Take a break—Buy your wife a nice card.
@Greg:
Reality is the opposite. He didn’t need to order them to protect the embassy. That was their mission. He ordered them to abandon arms and flee. I’ll bet those Marines are really proud of their CinC. Next I guess they’ll fly the white flag over the embassies instead of the Stars and Stripes. Or maybe the ISIS flag soon after.
@Rich Wheeler:
not listening to anyone. Reading. anyone that has even made a cursory look into it can only conclude what I’ve said is true. Not one single person in the world has ever offered one single piece of evidence to disprove what I said. Oh, all the Obama crazies want to deny it, but they can’t find any proof.
@Rich Wheeler:
And you say they completed their mission, which obviously was to abandon their weapons and flee. Right? Yep, that’s exactly what they did.
I don’t think there’s any hope for you Richie, I thought the ultimate insult to you would be for someone to spit on the Corps, Obama did it and you still play kissy face with him. No hope.
@Redteam: Why do you keep bringing up BHO-You seem obsessed with him.
One last time–Read The Mission of the Embassy Guard—that you graciously posted in #172 It’s pretty simple–even for you–nuf said. If you can’t understand it I can’t help you.
Semper Fi OUT
http://www.examiner.com/article/why-did-the-obamas-lose-their-law-licenses
@Redteam: What does this have to do with your FALSE claim that his law license was revoked?
Focus RT– Get off the computer and get your wife a nice present–spend some time with her this weekend.
@Greg:
I got to thinking about the chronology of that statement. So, unlike you, Greg, I did some research. Fox News was started in 1996. Clinton receiving noggin from Monica emerged in 1998. So, Fox, a cable network, was two years old. Are you wanting me to seriously believe that a two year old cable news network had the following to lead the charge in bringing down Clinton? Personally, I don’t even remember Fox from back then; I was watching CNN.
You are simply looking for a scapegoat for more liberal failure. There’s always got to be someone other than Bill, Hillary or Obama, doesn’t there? Certainly a liberal can’t be the cause of their own failure, can they?
@Greg:
Of course there isn’t. You never question what you are told to believe. That’s your problem. Again, why did this disastrous collapse take Obama so completely by surprise, putting all the embassy staff at risk and providing the terrorists, AGAIN, with a valuable propaganda victory?
@Bill, #194:
Since you’re looking things up, you might as well look up the definition of the word facilitate. Then you can look up the word instrumental.
You don’t even realize that you’re accusing someone holding differing opinions of an inability to think for themselves, and then parroting the right wing meme-of-the-moment.
@Rich Wheeler:
Nothing, that wasn’t the point of it. The point is that his claim that he was a Constitutional Law Proffessor is BS. He was just a lecturer.
But Michelle’s license was suspended by court order.
@Greg:
There isn’t one, that’s a left wing invention.
@Redteam: Simple Question Why did you blatantly lie about BHO having his law license revoked?When you get that straightened out we can discuss some of your other questionable claims.
Fair enough?
Have you bought those roses yet?
@Rich Wheeler:
It is straightened out. He had his law license revoked. Anyone that says otherwise is the one lying. I can’t account for them. Answer this question: Can Obama practice law, or not? Just a simple Yes or No. no equivocating.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/Obama-Law-License.htm
@Redteam: You are very naïve RT
Do you really not understand what an “urban legend” is? They are stories that are made up
. Is that where you get your info–hilarious.
There was no threat hanging over either Obama when they voluntarily inactivated their licenses because they were not going to be using them while Prez and First Lady. They can reactivate them whenever they chose. Go to any legitimate sourceto confirm this.
Why did you outright lie when you said BHO’S license was REVOKED? Do you ENJOY LYING RT?
Don’t forget the nice card.
@Rich Wheeler:
I notice you didn’t supply a link. Don’t bother to link to Soro’s Fact Check or Snopes. We all know they”re in the tank.
The Ill bar says michelle’s is suspended by court order.
Call it what you like, Revoked they are.
@Rich Wheeler:
Really? in 1993?
@Redteam: Your obsession with Obama is frankly a little weird RT.
I’m gonna take a break from our frenetic back and forth. Nothing being solved. Feel it’s a waste of my time .
Don’t forget Valentine’s Day Ck. in with your wife.
I did get a good laugh out of “urban legends” website
@Greg:
I suggest you look up a few words. One is “reality”. Another would be “excuses”. Oh, this would would help you as well… “propaganda”. In other words, answer the question of how in the hell to you believe (or think you could get anyone else to believe) that a start-up, struggling, little-known cable news outlet would be influential in getting Clinton impeached? Clinton did that when he lied under oath. Even today, with Fox the most popular and most respected cable news network, they are but one, as opposed to 8 or so left wing cheerleading networks that either distort the stories or suppress them altogether. I repeat, Greg, of all the lame-ass, weak, silly, last-ditch excuses for Obama’s failure, that one has got to be the weakest!! You have proven yourself (or whomever feeds you such stupid ideas) truly desperate for excuses!
@Bill, #205:
Presumably you’re aware that the GOP’s Monica Lewinsky circus officially ended on February 12, 1999, when Clinton was acquitted of both articles of impeachment. The republican-majority U.S. Senate rejected the charge of perjury and failed to uphold the charge of obstruction of justice. The objective was the damaging political effects of the long-running production, of course. The final act wasn’t really what the show was all about.
The word “facilitate” was used in connection with FOX News and the events leading up to 1999.
The definition of “instrumental” suggests that FOX News had considerably more influence in the matter of selling the Invasion of Iraq to the American people. FOX News did. The period we’re talking about in this second situation was late 2001 through 2003.
With those two different time frames in mind, you might find this chart plotting the viewing audiences of FOX News vs. the other cable news outlets instructive—assuming, of course, that your visual comprehension is somewhat better than your apparent reading comprehension. (That was a return insult. Perhaps you should consider dropping them, so I won’t feel the occasional need to respond in kind.)
Some might speculate that FOX News achieved it’s ascendancy by fanning the flames of fear to near hysteria and by pitching a “preemptive” attack on Iraq as the solution. They continued to grow in subsequent years by exploiting populace fears and angers, when they did much to expand. Consider, for example, the long run of conspiracy theorist Glenn Beck. They were instrumental in widening the divide in the national consciousness in the process—a thing that they continue to exploit.
@Greg:
So, Fox convinced all those Democrats to support the intelligence that showed that Hussein was pursuing more weapons of mass destruction, was maintaining the capability to quickly ramp up his WMD industry and had close ties to terrorists? Fox convinced Hussein to ignore 17 UN resolutions?
Your argument is getting weaker and weaker and sillier and sillier.
@Bill, #207:
Actually, bogus intelligence is what convinced “all those Democrats” to support Bush’s call to preemptively invade and displace the government of a nation that hadn’t attacked us, had no capability to do so, and had no real prospects of attaining such a capability—even if had it made a bit of sense for them to do so to begin with.
Perhaps on the right, the reaction to Obama really is all about Bush.
@Greg:
But not acquitted of smoking Monica Cigars.
long run? 2 years is a long run? He wasn’t even on Fox until 2009. He had nothing to do with Fox viewer numbers increasing. They are about same now as o9.
@Greg:
Hmmm, really. So, why did the support of such Democrats as Bill and Hillary, Allbright, Gore, Kerry, Kennedy, Schumer, Pelosi, Berger, Daschel, Levin, Graham, Byrd, Waxman, Rockefeller exist… BEFORE 9/11, Bush and Fox’s evil influence?
The accusations against Bush and Fox are actually all about Obama and failure.
Weaker and sillier still. Weaker and sillier.
@Greg: #208
After Clinton took office, he reduced the funding for the military AND THE INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES to the point that the agencies had to bring back to the USA a lot of their agents. We had 2 agents in Iraq at the time, and BOTH OF THEM were called home. From then on, the USA had to rely on information FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, which wasn’t always reliable.
The military was reduced down so much that we wouldn’t have been able to fight two wars at the same time, like we were before. The tanker fleet for ships was reduced to 1/2 the amount they had. Military personnel didn’t get a raise in pay for several years. My son is one of them. This is how Clinton balanced the budget.
If you have been keeping up on current events, you know that WMD have been found in Iraq. If Sodom didn’t have them, how did he gas his own people?
@Bill, #210:
You simply ignore anything that doesn’t support your own views. There’s little point trying to argue with someone’s defense mechanisms.
@Greg: I sure do. Especially when it lacks the benefit of being true. There is absolutely no point in arguing the point to me that “lies” generated by Bush led us to war with Iraq. THAT is the lie. About time you figured it out.