Larry Klayman: “Put the kool-aid down….”

@Richard Wheeler:

If you were a Marine,and were asked for your input on uniform change, what would you say?

Well, first I’d ask: what are we trying to accomplish? If the answer was, “maintain the proud tradition of the Marine Corps” I’d say, keep the same uniform. If the answer was, “look like a military that would like Obama”, I’d say, change to the girly hat and Bermuda shorts.
How would you go, RW?

@Richard Wheeler:

My research tells me you and o5 have never disagreed on any substantial issue.

You need to hire a better researcher.

@Redteam: You don’t follow baseball much,do you? Seems you know very little about America’s pastime.Be honest. Do you truly understand The Game? Do you love it?

@Richard Wheeler:

Do you love it?

oh, didn’t answer that, no but I do love my wife.

@Wordsmith: Word, with all respect, you sure are spending a lot of time figuring out excuses for Obama. Don’t you think he does well enough himself? I actually do not think that Obama has any input into his teleprompter speeches and does not proof read them ahead of time. There is no other logical explanation as to why he stumble over what he’s saying and loses his place as much as he does. I think his handlers just write what they want him to say and he follows orders.

Oh, now I get it. That’s part of the show. Obama creates a situation to make someone faint then he produces a cold bottle of water from a cooler (especially set up for him) for the victim so that he can be a hero. Oh, ok, I understand. It’s all part of the puppet show.

@Wordsmith:

I thought it was the other way around: That when he speaks “off the cuff” (like in townhall settings with Q & A), he stumbles and bumbles; but does quite well in front of teleprompters.

Actually, I’ve never seen him give a good speech, either on or off teleprompter. He always stumbles and mumbles and acts as if he’s being condescending or just plain trying to fool everyone. He does quite well at fooling the left. No one on the right buys him at all.

There’s nothing about this President that I particularly like. I find him arrogant, condescending, always lecturing, the pretense of bipartisanship and reaching out, absolutely divisive, demonizing the motives of Republicans, Bush-blame, class warfare rhetoric, and on and on.

And that’s saying the best that can be said for him. I’m not sure I can say that I always respect the office of the president. I used to say that, but Obama has driven it, the presidency, to a new low. One thing we don’t have to be concerned about, we’ll never have a worse president. This one has established a new permanent low. No one will get lower. That’s what happens when a total incompetent is awarded via the ‘Peter Principle’ as in this case he went many more levels above the maximum he was qualified for. Just proves that if you can’t be a community organizer, you can’t be a president either.

@ilovebeeswarzone: So true Bees, there has never been another US president that went abroad and bowed to leaders of other countries, especially Arabs. There has never been another US president that went abroad and apologized for America. There has never been another US president that went abroad and made excuses for America being the ‘big brother’ of the world. Yes, Obama has done all these. The country has truly reached the bottom of the barrel and is still digging, trying to get even worse. There is no up side to the administration that “can’t”. Those that truly ‘can’t’ are trying to prove their point, that they really ‘can’t’. They are succeeding.

@Redteam:

I used to say that, but Obama has driven it, the presidency, to a new low. One thing we don’t have to be concerned about, we’ll never have a worse president. This one has established a new permanent low. No one will get lower. That’s what happens when a total incompetent is awarded via the ‘Peter Principle’ as in this case he went many more levels above the maximum he was qualified for. Just proves that if you can’t be a community organizer, you can’t be a president either.

You seem very caught up in this trope that Obama is so incompetent and unintelligent. This, of course, is quite ironic given your amazing incompetence in proving that very point. You advance arguments with verifiably false premises that are destroyed and then have literally nothing to say in your own defense. You advance arguments that are laughably illogical and seem incapable of recognizing this. I pointed out to you that Obama has been a participant in recorded debates that anyone – you – can easily access and view, and you laughed it off, as if you’re somehow unaware that every four years for the past 50 Presidential candidates participate in multiple televised debates. Now I think you truly believe what you’re saying, i’m not calling you a liar. I just think you don’t understand why you believe it, and you’re not up to the task of manufacturing a compelling reason you can sell to yourself and others. What you have is what many people in this country have, a profound hostility toward Obama that has nothing to do with his performance as President. If you tell me you were neutral on Obama before he took office and started accruing a Presidential record to judge, then I might have to start questioning your honesty. My guess? You probably hated him on sight, the first time you read his funny name, or saw his impertinent swagger. He probably seemed like a guy who needed to be put in his place, and your world turned upside down when he wasn’t.

Rich,

Do you ever still tune into Medved?

Tom
you and Richard are comming to discredit CONSERVATIVES,
and you bring nothing worthy in your comments,everytime,
the hatred is from you who talk about it,
you try to pin it here< but you fail all the time,

Word does, I think, give Obama a ‘little more’ credit for being capable of being president than I do.

whoa, whoa, whoa…….I don’t think much at all about his presidential leadership. I think he’s been abysmal.

I just don’t agree with all the conspiratorial crap and hatred that’s gone blind.

@Wordsmith: Word, I know what I’m about to say is going to be unbelievable to RW because he thinks I don’t read and understand what you say, but I agree with everything you said in this comment about Bush. I’ve read Decision Points and thought the book gave good insight into many of Bush’s actions. I also share Bush’s concerns that all Muslim will be blamed for the actions that have been negative to the US. These actions have caused the impression that ALL Muslims are violent. It’s really no different than many years ago in the US when most were afraid of all Indians, just because many tribes were violent.
Locally, I see a few Muslims and see no indication that they are ‘violent’. I did previously live in a city where a Muslim organization existed that I did perceive to be a violent organization, but they were Muslims of the Farrakhan organization.
I agree with your statement that you don’t believe GWB was ‘forced’ to make a statement. I think he thought it was something he needed to say.

@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, that is part of the problem with Obama. He does not want ‘ANY’ blame placed on Muslims for the actions of a few of them. An example, he doesn’t want Nidal Hasan branded as a ‘terrorist’ or a Muslim, only as a ‘lone nut’. He sees no problem with not preventing foreigners from entering the US illegally, trying to give the perception that each is only a lone individual yearning to make a living in the US. He sees and feels no need to put the USA first.

@Tom:

I don’t see race mentioned anywhere. Do you? Interesting you feel defensive on that front though.

No implication on your part that because I didn’t like Obama ‘the first time I saw’ him? By the way, I don’t feel defensive about being called racist because as I said, I realize where it’s coming from.

Why would I offer explanation for something that never happened? Obama never went abroad and “apologized for America”. That’s absolutely untrue. Obama has never offered an apology to foreigners for America. So add this product of your ignorance or your dishonesty to the long list of unfactual statements you’ve made on this thread and elsewhere. I always find it remarkable with people like you that you find this man, Barack Obama, so heinously objectionable, yet you can’t seem to focus on one thing that he’s actually done. Is it really that hard for a good conservative like you to find a reason to hate Obama that has a basis in fact, not fiction?

You need to get back in touch with reality.

Your entire argument that Obama is Muslim rests on your assertion that Obama can’t even read words off a teleprompter competently:

Not being able to read is related to being Muslim? Wow, out of touch with reality and can’t read either. To be able to ‘perform’ is not necessarily a good thing. Some people ‘perform’ although it be a terrible performance.

So now you expect us to believe that Obama can be trained, like an “animal”, to answer questions in depth on a range of topics in a live debate setting, which requires the ability to extemporize and access facts almost instantaneously? By the way, you really think you can train a person to debate like it’s a performance?

Absolutely, Obama is an example, though not a good one. I don’t think he reads very well.

Perhaps you should try thinking for yourself rather than regurgitating what you hear on talk radio

Give just one example of a regurgitation of mine from talk radio. I don’t listen to talk radio and haven’t for about the last 15 years. In fact, so far as I know Rush is not even on the radio in my area, though I haven’t even checked on that in at least 10 years. I only listen to music on the radio.

You shouldn’t try so hard to label me with some of your deficiencies. You don’t do well at that.

@Tom: I want to clear this up also, Tom, you said:

So now you expect us to believe that Obama can be trained, like an “animal”, to answer questions in depth on a range of topics in a live debate setting,

At no time or point have I said “Obama can be trained, like an “animal”. In fact I was careful to write what I did so that it would not be interpreted that way, but, apparently you were not capable of interpreting it as it was written.
I have basically learned that the reason liberals and Dimocrats believe some of the ‘weird’ things they do is that they misunderstand and mis- interpret what they read. If the shoe fits.

@Redteam:

Do you know what an apology is, Redteam? Apparently not, because those are not apologies. Those are statements of fact or opinion, most taken out of context. Find an actual apology, or face the fact you’re just parroting a lie.

Why don’t exit the Right Wing bubble for five minutes are read this. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2011/02/obamas_apology_tour.html

@Tom: Tom, it’s not just my definition of apology. The world seems to agree, well at least the civilized world.

@Tom:Here’s where you said it, Tommy:

So now you expect us to believe that Obama can be trained, like an “animal”,

@Tom: As you well know, I provided you with a link to at least 5. It’s not my problem that you can’t follow links on the internet.

@Redteam:

That link contained zero apologies. So I’m still waiting.

@Tom:

That link contained zero apologies

The correct number was 5, not zero.

Redteam
IF THE MUSLIMS are being blame for the problem other muslim cause,
how about the AMERICANS being blame for the MUSLIMS PROBLEMS?
hell, they came and killed 3000 PEOPLE IN ONE DAY,
so yes the AMERICANS ARE STILL REMEMBERING IT,
some of the FIRE FIGHTERS DIED AND OTHER got sick enough to become unable to work again,
INCAPACITATED FOR LIFE,
are we suppose to pass it as okay?
NO

@Wordsmith:

President Bush sought to marginalize the global jihad movement; it’s bin Laden and Zawahiri (and Islamophobes) who seek to broaden the War.

The last I checked, or so we are told, bin Laden is dead. Thanks to the years of work of dedicated CIA employees who never, never gave up and the bravery of a SEAL team. Zawahiri, who should be the world’s most wanted man, is never mentioned anymore, ever. Zawahiri, former MB member, and the brains of AQ as compared to bin Laden’s bag man position. Even 9-11 was not ObL’s idea; it was KSMs idea. And of course, you fail to mention that the term “Islamophobe” was created by none other than CAIR, friends of the Muslim Brotherhood and loaded with radical Islamists.

President Bush wasn’t “forced” to say anything he didn’t mean. He said what he did, as he had throughout his presidency, because it was simply the right and decent and presidential thing to do.

The right, and presidential, thing to do was to try to block a backlash against anyone immediately after 9-11-2001. The wrong thing to do, that Bush did, was rely on those very Muslims who had been speaking against the United States, western culture and infidels for some time.

Not only this, but there were violent backlash attacks against innocent people who had nothing to do with the events of 9/11:

A few Americans turned their rage against Muslims who were living in the United States.

The operative word here being FEW, Word. Even in the immediate years following the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans by the hands of Muslims, there were FEW incidents against Muslims in the United States. In 2011, ten years after 9-11, and when the films, interviews, documentaries of that dreadful day were being run all year long on every channel available, according to FBI stats, hate crimes against Muslims was 138 while the same year, hate crimes against Jews racked up to 936.

For a more extensive look at the numbers:
http://www.aina.org/news/20130111113756.htm

And while your CNN author says “We’re not at war with Islam”, is seems quite clear that a majority of Islam is at war with us. I suggest you read Pew Research’s surveys with the Islamic world about Muslim attitudes about jihad and the western world. Islam is not now, nor has it ever been, compatible with western styled democracy.

The promoters of “Muslim back lash” meme had to look hard and wide to find any “back lash” against Muslims.

As to Bush’s presser, surrounded by Muslims:

“ON THE AFTERNOON of September 26, George W. Bush gathered 15 prominent Muslim- and Arab-Americans at the White House. With cameras rolling, the president proclaimed that “the teachings of Islam are teachings of peace and good.” It was a critically important moment, a statement to the world that America’s Muslim leaders unambiguously reject the terror committed in Islam’s name.

Unfortunately, many of the leaders present hadn’t unambiguously rejected it. To the president’s left sat Dr. Yahya Basha, president of the American Muslim Council, an organization whose leaders have repeatedly called Hamas “freedom fighters.” Also in attendance was Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, who on the afternoon of September 11 told a Los Angeles public radio audience that “we should put the State of Israel on the suspect list.” And sitting right next to President Bush was Muzammil Siddiqi, president of the Islamic Society of North America, who last fall told a Washington crowd chanting pro-Hezbollah slogans, “America has to learn if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come.” Days later, after a conservative activist confronted Karl Rove with dossiers about some of Bush’s new friends, Rove replied, according to the activist, “I wish I had known before the event took place.”

It was a media even set up due to the influence of one Grover Norquist, an open borders, anti-Israel, pro-radical Islam slug that had gained waaaaay too much influence in the Republican Party, and who needs to be rode out of D.C. on a rail.

I just don’t agree with all the conspiratorial crap and hatred that’s gone blind.

And just what conspiratorial crap would that be, Word? Never mind that since the day Obama was inaugurated, any dissent against his policies has been labeled “hatred” and “racism.”

There’s nothing about this President that I particularly like. I find him arrogant, condescending, always lecturing, the pretense of bipartisanship and reaching out, absolutely divisive, demonizing the motives of Republicans, Bush-blame, class warfare rhetoric, and on and on.

By the standards set by the left, that above statement could be, and would be, labeled “hatred” and “racist.” How many times has someone disagreed with the actions of this Administration only to be labeled a racist when it is claimed they only disagree with Obama because of the color of his skin?

Bush was wrong. He was influenced by those who had an agenda and he repeated the false meme that Islam is a religion of peace (more like a religion of pieces) much to his detriment.