Well it’s official. Putin got everything he demanded, the US received nothing in return as far as insurance.
Daddy Putin just spanked Obama:
U.S., Russia reach agreement on seizure of Syrian chemical weapons arsenal
The United States and Russia agreed Saturday on an outline for the identification and seizure of Syrian chemical weapons and said Syria must turn over an accounting of its arsenal within a week.
The agreement will be backed by a U.N. Security Council resolution that could allow for sanctions or other consequences if Syria fails to comply, Secretary of State John F. Kerry said.
Kerry said that the first international inspection of Syrian chemical weapons will take place by November, with destruction to begin next year.
Kerry and Obama had demanded quick inspections…Assad said no way, and now they will take place in three months with “a list” to be submitted next week. If Assad doesn’t go along with the program there will be sanctions, which sure hurt Assad before. Kerry wanted some UN approval of a military option, Putin got that removed.
This whole debacle has been embarrassment for America. From Obama’s “red lines” to his ridiculous address to the nation to Putin putting the smack down on him.
Just embarrassing.
But that is what should of been expected from a community organizer who surrounds himself with clowns.
Former Defense Secretary Cohen sums it up:
[youtube]http://youtu.be/vAKSalwcqz4[/youtube]And now what is Daddy Putin up to?
Russian President Vladimir Putin has accepted Iran’s invitation to visit Tehran to work out a strategy for the Islamic regime’s nuclear program, Fars News Agency reported Saturday. The West believes the Iranian program is a front for developing nuclear weapons.
Putin, seen by Iran’s clerical establishment as a strong opponent to America and the West — especially after his successful political play on averting a U.S. missile strike on Syria — was approached by Iran to protect the Islamic regime in the face of continued pressure by the West over its illicit nuclear program. Russia and the U.S. reached agreement Saturday to take control of Syrian President Bashar Assad’s chemical weapons arsenal by mid-2014.
Obama, upstaged and outsmarted at every turn.
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Richard Cohen has the picture alright.
But damn! If Pooty now has the prestige and influence to get the UN and the International Criminal Court to formally let Assad off the hook…?
Cohen does drop the possibility that Putin could arrange for Assad to be officially allowed to skate by all the international bodies and legitimately go into exile in Russia he might just be able to arrange an end to the Civil War.
And now the Iranians have extended him an invite. I hate to say this but dayyum!
“Kerry and Obama had demanded quick inspections…Assad said no way, and now they will take place in three months with “a list” to be submitted next week.”
This goes beyond being upstaged. It is already common knowledge many of the CW’s have already been “scattered” to various locations and are at this moment being moved and hidden. And for whatever reason, no one seems to want to address the fact as to how many of these things have “fallen” into the hands of our “Al-Quida” allies. At least four times I can think of off the top of my heads, the so called rebels have captured major cities and munition supply dumps and these idiots in the administration want me to believe that these things are secure? Seeing if any one with an ounce of sense thinks the rebels we are arming would not use them if they felt it would accomplish their ends (as apparently our Al-Quida loving President does), the final joke will be on the U.S. We have abrogated our position of leadership and turned ourselves into the laughing stock of the world. As the attacks continue from our “peace loving” allies in Al-Quida, we can only shake our heads in shame
Hell, referring to these guys as inept is an insult to the definition of the word!
From what I’ve heard as to the extent of the Chem arsenal built up in Syria over the last thirty-five years, I imagine that Bashar is only too happy to unload the greater part of it at someone else’s expense. I anticipate he will efficiently cooperate in helping the UN take it off his hands. Remember ol’ Assad, Sr. built up a massive CW arsenal as a doomsday weapon to deter an anticipated Israeli invasion. Bashar does not need all that bug spray. He will quietly keep maybe 10%-5% or so of the more modern inventory. That’s about all he would need for current purposes.
Meanwhile, Putin is arranging for all the international bodies to grant Bashar full pardon for his crimes and absolution for his sins with a pass to settle wherever he wants if and when he decides to bugger off into exile…and the craziest thing is–that might be for the best.
This list of chemical weapons…..
Will it include or exclude all of the weapons Assad has been shipping out of his country recently?
Looks like Obama hasn’t gained anything.
The chemical weapons will be hidden elsewhere and not destroyed.
But, then again, Obama has refused to destroy our own chemical weapons that were scheduled to be completely gone before now.
Odd, too, because the schedule of destruction of them was right on the mark until Obama took office.
During the 50’s and 60’s China called America the “Paper Tiger.” The name seems more appropriate now, not for the US, but for Obama. He is the Paper Tiger of the 21st Century.
Jay Leno:
Cohen called that one
WaPo Ibid
It would certainly seem that Putin is taking tremendous advantage of Obama’s offer to be more flexible after the 2012 elections. We have not seen the US so abjectly humiliated by the Russians since Carter was in office.
I am so tired of these incompetent leftist fools so condescendingly sneering how much smarter they are than the rest of us, when an honest review of events clearly shows they cannot be trusted not to screw up anything they touch.
Face it guys. Obama made the wingnuts look like idiots once again and traitors as well.
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@This one:
So the vast majority of Americans not wanting to follow Obama into pointless military action in Syria are traitors? Your abject stupidity pales only in comparison to your Obama worship, troll.
It was an unfair match from the beginning. Putin is a communist, so he is used to figuring out things that are best for him. He is also former KGB, so he is trained in how to get what he wants, and how to make people give him what he wants. Obama was a community organizer, and won the PEACE PRIZE, not the WAR PRIZE. He doesn’t know anything about this kind of stuff, and his puppeteers don’t either.
Again, This One drops from the sky like bird droppings and he moves on! He can never defend his positions, just snipe.
@Pete:
@This one:
So the vast majority of Americans not wanting to follow Obama into pointless military action in Syria are traitors? Your abject stupidity pales only in comparison to your Obama worship, troll.
No one is saying that. But it’s your hypocrisy after what Bush led us into and if Obama was a white GOP President, you’d be all screaming ‘bomb, bomb, bomb, Syria.’ It’s the fact that you applaud Vlad the Impaler over your own President even after he insults the US in an Op-ed.
@Smorgasbord:
I think ending the two atrocities called ‘wars’ which Bush stated based on lies and finally getting Osama after Bush intentionally let him go so he could justify invading Iraq to kill hundreds of thousands, qualifies Obama as more than a ‘community organizer.’ Tool.
An agreement that Syria will inventory and provide an accounting of of its chemical weapons within a week, will allow international inspections by this November, and will commence destruction of it’s chemical weapons by next year—all subject to international sanctions if they failure to comply. They’ve agreed to this without the U.S. having fired a shot, and you people think it’s another appalling failure on the part of the Obama administration. . .
@This one: #14
The propaganda media helped Osama as much as they could without being charged with treason. The New York Times reported that we were tracking him with the cell phone he was using. Right after that, we never heard from that cell phone again. I still don’t know why somebody isn’t in prison for that. Do you think somebody, or several sombodies should have gone to prisson?
Please tell us what you thought of the THREE times Clinton was offered Osama, and he REFUSED TO TAKE HIM! Please tell us what you thought of the bombings around the world under Clinton’s watch, including the USS Cole, that Clinton never responded to. Osama was able to tell the world that the USA is afraid of him, and this helped him recruit many more followers than he would have if we retaliated each time he did something.
When did they end? You need to quit listening to, and reading the propaganda media, and start listening to, and reading the conservative news media. Bombings are on the increase in Iraq. Most of the casualties in Afghanistan are under your leader’s watch:
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/dennis-m-crowley/12-year-war-73-us-casualties-afghanistan-obamas-watch
Do you remember when the propaganda media told us of EVERY soldier that was killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, and gave us the daily total count? Why aren’t they doing that now? Wouldn’t you like to know how many are dying each day? Oops! I forgot who I was writing to. That was a stupid question. Consider it withdrawn.
As far as the lies you said that Bush told to get us into war with Iraq, you have to keep in mind that he didn’t want to go in without the approval of the UN, and they took several months to decide to let us. During that time, many convoys of trucks were seen leaving Iraq and going into Iran, or another country. I don’t remember for sure which one. Why were those trucks leaving Iraq, and what was in them?
Unlike you and your dedicated followers of our illegal-in-chief, most conservatives complained loudly and frequently about some of the things Bush did, and some of the things he didn’t do.
What do you think about the unions complaining about not getting the wavers for obamacare they were promised by obama? The unions helped him push obamacare through. Who would have thought that obama would lie to the unions to get what he wanted. Since he lied to union members to get what he wanted, is it possible he is lying to you to get what he wants from you? The water in your pan is really hot right now. Not much time left to jump out before it is too late.
Your propaganda might be believed by uninformed people, but the conservative news media does an excellent job keeping us up to date on what is going on in THE REAL WORLD, and I want to know the good and bad about all issues, not just what some groups want me to know.
It’s the surest best of all that libs will be crowing this is a victory for Obama. No matter what was agreed to they will say this. The long term implications will not be know for some time. However since the libs all complain that GWB lied us into war and that means they surely must hate lies, but they don’t bat an eye at making a deal with Putin and Assad. Two very accomplished liars. Their trust in these two is right up front and complete as long as it bolsters their continued worship of Obama.
Food for thought.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2013/09/the-deal-in-order-to-remove-the-threat-of-bashar-assad-we-have-to-save-bashar-assad/
Israel through the Mossad has been training the Syrain rebels for months. Israel fully supported Obama’s threat to use force. Putin knew that the could not prevent a military response against Syria. The israelis are happy about the outcome, they may well have been on the receiving end of those chem weapons either from Assad or whomever was able to get their hands on them. AIPAC and the other Jewish American lobbies were all behind Obama. This is the first time in decades that the radical right broke from Israel. Cantor the GOPs go to guy on israel also supported Obama. http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/my-friend-the-mossad-spy/
obama is a Paper Tiger. Obama is a hater of the Founding Fathers not Americans.
he was screwed by the rebels he helped, who pull one on him.
he would have had more support if he was not helping the REBELS all this time,
@Greg: Take Putin out of the equation and Obama would still be fumbling and floundering. Are you trying to say when he made the red line in the sand threat he meant that if chemical weapons were used the penalty would be diplomatic talks? Outrageous. People here aren’t that naive or stupid.
Seems to me that Obama and Putin just executed the world’s most elaborate good-cop/bad-cop routine.
another vet
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John, did you actually read the Times Of Israel (http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/my-friend-the-mossad-spy/) article that you referenced? I did, and it’s a laff riot. I recommend it heartily.
The author, one Haviv Rettig Gur is referring to a story being passed around the Syrian rebel web-o-sphere (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.syriatruth.org%2Fnews%2Ftabid%2F93%2FArticle%2F6812%2FDefault.aspx [google translation from Arabic website Syriatruth.org]) that is being debated and apparently being taken seriously by at least a few Hebrew news sites and bulletin boards as well.
The gist it is that three, rather prominent and very busy Israeli citizens are actually secretly Mossad agents who have somehow made the time to travel back and forth through Lebanon, Syria and Turkey to train the rebels in spy-craft. Also that they convey messages from the rebels to Bibi. Their names are: Nir Boms, David Keyes and (hold yourself in now) Natan Scharansky(!)
Now, the author claims to be well acquainted with all three of the accused and comes eloquently their defense–and I find his case persuasive. David Keyes and Nir Bom are journalists. David Keyes has been published extensively in American periodicals and politician/activist/author Natan Sharansky needs no introduction to us Americans. Mr. Gur takes the time to put in a plug for Cyberdissidents.org (a website dedicated to publicizing the plight of dissidents around the world) that all three of them collaborated on. His best guess is that the various Syrian rebel factions are trying to tar each other by linking them with the joooz. A favorite tactic among a culture that makes our tinfoilers look like pikers.
Now then gang, I leave it to you to read the article and make up your own minds. I personally think the Israelis are doing their damndest to keep abreast of what’s going on in Thunderdome and I’m sure Mossad and Aman (military intelligence, Shin Bet is internal security) are deeply involved but I am otherwise inclined to believe official statements that Israel is adhering to Napoleon’s dictum that when your enemy is destroying himself…don’t interfere.
Doramin
this confirm what some smart bloggers as you, where telling,
the chemical massacre come from the REBELS,
AND NOW THAT WE LEARN THAT ISRAEL along with the WHITE HOUSE,
ARE HELPING AND ARMING THE REBELS IN A SOVEREIGN COUNTRY,
WOW they are being what would any uninformed would identify as treason.
what else would you call it, anyone? mingling in the affairs of another COUNTRY
who never attack you, so to bring her down. and have terrorist take the leadership,
@This one:
No, you disgusting troll, and you can shove your race card garbage right up your backside. My opposition to Obama has nothing to do with his race, and EVERYTHING to do with his marxism and his incompetence. Using your so-called reasoning, you are a racist for opposing Clarence Thomas and Allen West. You pathetic leftists always try to throw down your race-baiting feces when you have no defensible positions. It is the sign of a severely weakened intellect, which is highly representative of a leftist.
I don’t cheer Putin either, moonbat. He just humiliated my country because Obama made it so incredibly easy being the incompetent fool that he is. Putin is a former KGB operative, and a dictatorial thug. I am lamenting the fact that our president is so damned unworthy of his position that he cannot help but be outmaneuvered by other national leaders. Bashir is making Obama look like a buffoon. The Iranians are rubbing Obama’s face in his own stupidity by engaging Putin in their squabble with the world on their nuclear ambitions. But you can’t stop wearing out your +5 Kneepads of Obama Worship long enough to see how dangerously stupid Obama’s foreign policy is.
@This one:
I was in Iraq and Aghanistan. Bush didn’t lie, no matter how many DNC/ThinkProgress talking point memos you regurgitate, troll.
Obama did not get bin Laden based on anything he put in place. Seal Team 6 got bin Laden because of all the things Bush put in place during his administration. Obama played cards rather than watch the real time videofeed of the Seal operation.
Obama is currently getting his diplomatic clock cleaned by Putin and Assad, precisely because he is an incompetent, worthless politician with no experience other than his leftwing community organizing.
Oh…and golfing. Let’s not forget his experience with that…because it is so important given the state of our nation since Obama began trying to destroy it.
@Greg:
Yes. Absolutely. Obama has been thoroughly humiliated by Putin, and US credibility has been severely damaged. Assad has moved his chemical weapons reportedly to at least 50 different sites. We all remember just how successful the UN inspectors were at locating Iraq’s chemical weapons, and how successful the UN inspectors have been in dealing with Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
Putin is the one coming out of this debacle looking to the world like the powerbrokering statesman, while Obama looks like the schoolyard bully forced to apologize, shake hands and play nice with the little kindergarten kid he had been threatening to punch. Yet you leftists will continue to spew your uncomprehending hero worship on the most undeserving fool ever to have befouled the Oval Office.
@Doramin: #25
Running off his weakly-managed mouth, the CIC, having attempted to ‘feed’ the rebels and aid the Saudi Arabia/ Qatar financial & fundamentalist goals, was played.
The mid term game won’t be pretty as Putin puts “boots on the ground” in Syria, to “help” secure & pretend to destroy the WMDs.
And, as you may be suggesting, near term this is OK for Israel, but long term, this isn’t positive for Israel.
The more Putin get’s entrenched in the Eastern Meditaranean, the harder Irananian Ayatollahs hang tough.
and it’s OBAMA wrong intervention bring all those residues,
it’s just the beginning,
@Pete, #29:
Locating chemical weapons stockpiles should be somewhat easier in the case of Syria, since the weapons in question actually do exist.
So? The results are what matter.
Putin required motivation. A boost in his public image was part of it, though I’m sure that was never explicitly stated. With your narcissism detectors so finely tuned and all, I’m surprised you haven’t noticed that Vladimir Putin is extremely vain and public image conscious.
I just read a headline at Drudge….
…. The OFraud is quoted as saying “I don’t think Mr. Putin has the same values that we do” I dare to have any JournOlist, (or Putin himself) in this age of “The Fundamental Transformation of America” to ask the Next Question – In your own words, Mr President, exactly what are those “Values” ??
…Obama is slick…he is also an asshat…he does this all the time makes “leading statements” so everyone can “fill in their own ideas” in that vague and ambiguous statement (blank). I cannot stand listening to him he is such an effin fraud….
What’s really grotesque is all these Republicans and talking heads trying to treat this seriously and respectfully.
If you’ve been paying attention to this Chicago thug you can follow the workings of his pea brain like the changing of the tides.
He shot off his mouth last year with his “red line” after too many people were pestering him to do something, do anything.
To his unpleasant surprise last month, Bashar let loose with the bug spray in an incident too big to ignore.
Obama finally decided he would do a Clinton and Wag the Dog (but just a little).
He imperiously declared that he could throw Tomahawks on his own without asking Congress’ permission.
Then, at literally the last minute, his low animal cunning came up with what (he thought) was brilliant political jiu-jitsu: Force Congress (specifically, the House Republicans) to vote on a use-of-force resolution. Put them on the spot.
In his airy-fairy arrogance, he and his Rasputins completely forgot that Congressional Democrats would not appreciate being put on the spot as well.
With constituent calls to congressional offices going a hundred-to-one against, the Dems in both Houses balked.
Obama was in utter, flailing desperation. Just look at the statement he made in Stockholm. Tired, disheveled and incoherent. He was NOT a man in charge of the situation.
Kerry tosses off a flippant remark. Within hours Sergei Lavrov refers it to Putin. Pooty has a brainstorm and rings up Bashar. They pick up the ball and run with it.
The State Dept. and the White House make contradictory statements for a day or two before they get on message. Obama can live with the humiliation. He just wants an excuse, any excuse to back away from this IED he set that’s about to blow up on him.
He is certain that he can paper over this–beyond-ludicrous–national humiliation with the usual help of the media.
We shall see how that pans out. Fer’ sure, Putin has set the hook and he’s twisting it for all it’s worth. Already, he’s been invited by the Ayatollahs to do the same thing for them.
Personally, I think The Lightworker’s teflon has ground off. If only the Pubbies will get over their patriotic “My president, right or wrong” crapola and start putting in the boot at every opportunity. This will go down as Obama’s Ceausescu moment.
@Kevin Kirkpatrick: #22
Seems to me that Obama and Putin just executed the world’s most elaborate good-cop/bad-cop routine.
More like good bad guy/bad bad guy.
Assad, Putin’s ally, has agreed to the internationally supervised destruction of his chemical weapons.
Please remind me what the United States has given up in return.
@Greg:
Credibility and our position as the top dog in the world. But then, Greggie, I’m sure you’re more than happy to have Putin of Communist Russia negotiating the terms with Syria instead of us.
We now have a clear example of what happens when you cage match a community organizer against a trained KGB officer.
@retire05, #37:
Communist Russia? Have you recently woken from a 22-year coma?
Winning is getting what you wanted. We wanted an agreement that Assad would get rid of his chemical weapons. That’s what he’s agreed to do. Who cares if Putin gets a gold star for it?
@Greg:
That’s right. I forgot; you progressives think Communism is dead.
@Pete: #28
He didn’t even know about the raid until the helicopters were in Pakistani air space.
@Smorgasbord: #40
Not surprisingly, puppet-master Valerie Jarrett is always in the decision seat where O. is concerned (she made those decisions, not O.), and the, ‘Obama on the golf course’, reference is too pathetic for words, . . . .
The WHOLE progressive crowd around the President doesn’t respect their own CIC. They just confirm how bad this man is as “leader of the free world.”
retire05
you target one important fact,
OBAMA and PUTTIN are united by COMMUNIST INTEREST,
I think OBAMA IS LOOKING FOR HIS NEXT PRESTIGE JOB WITH THE GLOBAL INTEREST,
that’s why he is trying so hard to get rid of all MIDDLE EAST LEADERS,
by helping the rebels in all the ARAB-SPRING REVOLUTIONS
he want to be the HEAD OF THOSE COUNTRIES UNITED BY THEIR FAITH
so to rule the MIDDLE EAST WHEN HE LEAVE HERE,
AND CLOSE THE CRESCENT IN THAT CIRCLE, THEY ARE DREAMING ABOUT COMING,
@Greg:
I see you added to your original post. Nasty habit you have of doing that, Greggie.
Who cares if Putin gets a gold star? The world does. We look weak, because of the Community Organizer who doesn’t have a clue about foreign policy, and Russia looks like the strong horse. Who do you think other nations are now going to look to to get things done? It damn sure isn’t us.
Carter did the same thing. He made the U.S. look weak and it took Ronald Reagan to tell the world that we were still the best game in town.
@james Raider: #41
The WHOLE progressive crowd around the President doesn’t respect their own CIC. They just confirm how bad this man is as “leader of the free world.”
I hope it also confirms it to them that the CIC doesn’t want to be the leader of a FREE country.
@Greg: Well lookee here.. Who would have thunk it.
http://www.latimes.com/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-us-syria-chemical-weapons-plan-20130918,0,1445199.story
@Smorgasbord: #44
AND confused, . . . disarming Americans but arming Muslim fundamentalist rebels in Syria.
That works for the believers here. Somehow.
James Raider
that is a very clear point,
punish the AMERICANS make them vulnerable to CRIMINALS,
AND ARM THE FOREIGN REBELS, he has been planning and
doing it since day one of his term,
bye
@james Raider: #46
You help the side you want to win. I knew who’s side obama was on when he said he wanted a civilian security force that was as strong as the military. More people are realizing he isn’t on the side of the USA. When will our republican politicians figure it out?