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A man’s life has been destroyed. There never was much question about that.

George Zimmerman? George Zimmerman will probably be approached for a book deal and film rights before the end of next week.

@Greg:

A man’s life has been destroyed. There never was much question about that.

At least you now admit that 17 is a man, not a “young boy.”

George Zimmerman? George Zimmerman will probably be approached for a book deal and film rights before the end of next week.

Would you prefer that he be forced to live under a bridge? He’ll have to have security the rest of his life. Do you really think that if he had been found guilty, the Sanford PD would have been making a public service announcement to prevent whites from rioting?

What he’ll have to do is come to terms with the fact that he killed an unarmed 17-year-old, who was simply on his way to a friend’s house after a quick trip to a nearby store. That’s what’s left, after all of the legalities are out of the way.

@Greg:

#1, Trayvon Martin was not on his way to “a friend’s house.” He was on his way to where his father lived.

And yes, people of conscience live with having to take a human life. Just ask any veteran. But even you have the right to defend yourself against someone trying to bash your brains out on a concrete sidewalk, Greggie.

I think Zimmerman’s lawyers made an excellent point about how the prosecution usually rolls over public defenders.
Apparently the prosecution tried some of their tactics against Zimmerman’s legal team but to no avail.
This is an indictment, not on this case, but on many cases where black men are sent to prison because their public defenders cannot deal with all the tricks and games of this prosecutor’s office.
Perhaps this went over the heads of people listening to their news conference, but if I caught it, others surely did as well.

@Greg:

Every parent of a teenager – particularly a black teen – who lives in Florida will have to consider what Florida’s broad self-defense laws mean for their childrens’ safety. Armed, self-appointed vigilantes can follow, stop and interrogate your children, and god help them if they don’t respond with the proper hat-in-hand deference, or they are – as some would have it – inviting their own death. There is not one GZ supporter who would be fine with his or her son being the object of suspicion for simply being out in public, the object of suspicion by an armed individual who is not affiliated with law enforcement. There is not one GZ supporter who would be fine with his or her son being angrily followed by an armed individual for simply being out in public. And how they’ve gotten around these simple facts, and essentially ignored them, is by actively desecrating the character and memory of the deceased.

@Tom:

Every parent of a teenager – particularly a black teen – who lives in Florida will have to consider what Florida’s broad self-defense laws mean for their childrens’ safety.

What bullshit. How do you explain all those dead BLACK children in Chicago where there is no “broad self-defense” laws? How do you explain all the black children slaughtered by black gangbangers?

And if parents are so worried about Armed, self-appointed vigilantes then maybe they should know where their kids are at night and not just leave them to fend for themselves knowing their kid has been in trouble and has been expelled from school. Trayvon’s mother didn’t send him to his father because he was an alter boy who gave her not a moment’s worry.

And maybe Al Sharpton should be telling black Americans to take care of their kids. To mentor them and teach them that being a gangbanger is not the way to go instead of trying to stir up the racial pot to increase his bank account balance. Maybe black rap artists need to quit glorifying gansta values and quit talking about hoes and beeches and start creating music that promotes respect for women and respect for getting an education, not a bunch of tats and a grill.

Trayvon Martin was a victim. And everyone around him failed him from his parents, to his community to the black inner city culture to the rap artists that promote a violent life style and yes, even to our own government who promotes the soft bigotry of low expectations.

Read Frederick Douglas and tell me how the inner city black community has lived up to his expectations.

Greg says: “People in this country who look like they could be Obama’s son, or who are are Holder’s people, aren’t getting any special breaks under the American justice system.”

So true. But instead of attacking real racism in the system – the Trayvonites are attacking self defense.

BTW the only proof there is of an assault by Trayvon – a felony which justifies self defense – are Zimmerman’s wounds. However slight. Tray should have stopped punching when John Good said he was going to call 911. He would be alive today. In jail. For assault.

Or he should have just gone home and smoked a blunt and chilled.

Greg you could put your efforts into fighting prohibition. I do. Rockford For Safe Access Because I actually care about the racism in the system. But I’m not a knee jerk about it. I don’t let the race hustlers make up my mind for me.

There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs….There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who do not want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public. – Booker T. Washington

TOM
SHUT UP, YOU ARE A PROMOTER OF TROUBLE AND INCITER OF THE BLACKS
TO HATE,
HAVEN’T THEY BEEN TAUGHT THAT ENOUGH BY NOW.

AMERICA
I LOVE YOU SO, I FEEL BETTER NOW and I’m sorry to have doubt of your JURY DECISION, you don’t need a PRESIDENT TO GUIDE YOUR DECISIONS, YOU CAN THINK FOR YOURSELVES,
NEVER FORGET IT, IN YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVORS THAT YOUR MIND ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE,
AND SOLID TO FOLLOW YOUR FUTURE WITH THE TRUTH TO KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT, HOPE YOUR CHILDREN KNOW WHAT YOU DONE WHICH WAS TO DO THE RIGHT THING, THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT AMERICA IS VICTORIOUS IN EVERYTHING THEY DECIDE TO DO, AND NO PRESIDENT CAN SWAY YOUR JUDGEMENT,
THANK YOU,AMERICA

ANGELA COREY, WHY DID YOU PUT MARISSA IN PRISON?
YES SHE IS BLACK AND WAS ABOUT TO BE BEATEN BY HER BULLY HUSBAND,
SHE WAS A MOTHER OF 3 CHILDREN AND PREGNANT ,
SHE TOOK HER GUN AND SHOT ON THE WALL TO SCARE AWAY THAT BULLY
WHO WAS READY TO HURT HER,
WHERE IS THE GUILT?
WHY DON’T YOU SENT HER FREE AND THINK TWICE ON YOUR JUDGEMENT AND
GET YOURSELF OUT OF THAT JOB YOU ARE NOT FIT TO DO WELL,
AND WHERE’S THE OUTRAGE FROM THE AL SHARPTON AND HOLDER AND OBAMA. WHERE ARE THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THE CIVIL RIGHT

Zimmerman will have Martin’s death on his conscience the rest of his life. He may look back and wish he would have backed off and waited for the police. The moral of Martin’s plight is that you shouldn’t go around attacking people. They may have a gun, a brick, or a knife or they may just be the type of person who can snap your neck. Martin’s family may decide to sue in civil court for wrongful death where they stand a better chance than the prosecution did. The former police chief has been vindicated and he now has grounds for a suit. The interesting part of that is that perhaps we will find out the extent of Obama’s Justice Department’s involvement in a local law enforcement matter. The MSM has once again proven that they are just as inept at being lawyers as they are at being generals, scientists, doctors, economists, and a host of other specialties and that they should report the news instead of trying to make the news. Time will tell if they have lost their touch for inciting riots and violence. This drama may be far from over. It received far more attention than it should have and it was best left at the local level.

@retire05:

How do you explain all those dead BLACK children in Chicago where there is no “broad self-defense” laws? How do you explain all the black children slaughtered by black gangbangers?

Typical of you to bring up a completely unconnected Chicago as an excuse for GZ, and then go on to blame TM’s family, and all of black America, for TM’s death. I was reading the following this morning and couldn’t help thinking how it applies perfectly to your way of thinking: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/07/george-zimmerman-not-guilty-blood-on-the-leaves.html

The most damning element here is not that George Zimmerman was found not guilty: it’s the bitter knowledge that Trayvon Martin was found guilty. During his cross examination of Martin’s mother, Sybrina Fulton, the defense attorney Mark O’Mara asked if she was avoiding the idea that her son had done something to cause his own death. During closing arguments, the defense informed the jury that Martin was armed because he weaponized a sidewalk and used it bludgeon to Zimmerman. During his post-verdict press conference, O’Mara said that, were his client black, he would never have been charged. At the defense’s table, and in the precincts far beyond it where donors have stepped forward to contribute funds to underwrite their efforts, there is a sense that George Zimmerman was the victim.

O’Mara’s statement echoed a criticism that began circulating long before Martin and Zimmerman encountered each other. Thousands of black boys die at the hands of other African Americans each year, but the black community, it holds, is concerned only when those deaths are caused by whites. It’s an appealing argument, and widespread, but simplistic and obtuse. It’s a belief most easily held when you’ve not witnessed peace rallies and makeshift memorials, when you’ve turned a blind eye to grassroots organizations like the Interrupters in Chicago, who are working valiantly to stem the tide of violence in that city. It is the thinking of people who’ve never wondered why African Americans disproportionately support strict gun-control legislation. The added quotient of outrage in cases like this one stems not from the belief that a white murderer is somehow worse than a black one but from the knowledge that race determines whether fear, history, and public sentiment offer that killer a usable alibi.

another vet
yes absolutly

@ilovebeeswarzone:

TOM
SHUT UP,

You’re not a very friendly, buzzy little bee, are you? I’m seeing more and more that your drone is also not very original. Bzzzzzzzzzz.

But Tom,

No Limit Nigga did have something to do with his own death. He continued renovating the concrete with Zim’s head after he was asked by two people to stop (Zimm and Good). In most places that is an actionable offense – by police for assault if it stops. Self defense if it doesn’t.

Tray had 4 minutes to go 400 ft to get home. All he had to do was move at the rate of 1.7 ft per second. Not a particularly fast pace. Normal walking speed is about 3ft a second. So if he was near his home as Rachael reported why did he go back to confront George? Did Rachael talk him into doing it? Did he do it to prove his manhood to her? A very dangerous sport.

Tom stop proving to us, what we already KNOW about you OK? Trayvon WENT BACK, and asked for it. FACT. The COURTS agreed, FACT! You don;t like it… AWWWWWWW Try dealing with REALITY for once.. your little “Lib Fantasy Utopia” does NOT EXIST.
Now as to CHICAGO?? OBAMA VILLE?? CRIME VILE?? THUG VILE?? CORRUPTION VILLE?? BLACK MURDER VILLE?? It goes STRAIGHT to the HEART.. of TRAYVON’S ATTITUDE. you know, the one that got him KILLED??? “Gangsta”??? So someone bringing Chicago up, is VERY RELEVANT.. if you have more than two brain cells that is. Well, ok, now i see your problem with it….. LOL!

TOM
don’t disturb me,
I work hard enough on this case,
it drain my brain, so I must rest and refill in a positive thinking.
bye

Yes Bee-Bee…I’m back…it’s now 5:00 PM Sunday in Tucson…and my brain is about to explode from watching “ALL DAY” the Zombies crying INSANLY about the “NOT GUILTY”….as for my comment…”I’m sticking to it” and I could even make another comment about citizen involvement…WHY DIDN’T “THE EYE BALL WITNESS” run to the fight and try to stop it…How long will he live with that thought…DO WE NEED SOME HERO’S ???..ONLY GOD CAN TELL….I’m no hero..BUT I’ve jumped into a few fights…sometime alone sometimes with help…got punched a few times… most fights would STOP…JUST A THOUGHT
Since I’ve been watching this case…I have not heard “ONE” person ask the question…”WHY DIDN’T HE ????”

@jerseyflash:

Well I don’t think I have made that comment. But I have thought about it.

The problem from my point of view. Was Trayvon armed? Am I? If the answer to the second question is no I’m probably calling the cops.

jerseyflash
hi,
you know I thought about it too, I did say that with all the community
there was not one who came to help, him asking for help,one who was helping them,to not be breakin,
and that witness told him to shut up he was going to call the police, and i just remember of something i never mention, that GEORGE ZIMMERMAN answer to his word which was calling the police
and ZIMMERMAN ANSWER
yes but I need help now please help me, all this few moment he was getting bash
still with the neighbor close, unbelievable is in it,
those word did not stayed in my memory, except now,
the guy turn around back to his second floor to call.
I feel that even a bucket of water on them laying down on the grass with TRAYVON on top,
WOULD maybe have change the situation.
bye

@Greg:

Two words

Crystal Mangum

@Tom:

Tom
Sooner or later you’re going to have to come to grips with fact that Martin started the fight, that HE initiated the series of events which led to his death.

Up to the point that Martin slugged Zimmerman NO ONE had done anything illegal.

Martin assaulted Zimmerman.

Period.

@another vet:

How long should he have waited? Until his skull was crushed and he was unconscious?

Seriously?

@Tom:

Stop it.

Martin sucker punched Zimmerman and the rest is history.

Enough with the bullsh*t. Man up.

@drjohn:

You weren’t there, Dr. John, were you? So you don’t know who started the fight. Hint: that’s the reason that GZ was acquitted. You seem to be confusing a “not guilty” decision with “innocent”. Sooner or later you’re going to have to come to grips with the fact that GZ created the confrontation. The jury has spoken, he is legally not guilty, but he’s certainly responsible. Did TM throw the first punch? I wouldn’t be surprised. Let’s see what you would do if a strange man with a gun is following you down a dark street without announcing why. Is following someone down a dark street with a gun illegal in Florida? I guess not. But don’t tell me GZ is not responsible. Don’t tell me that being followed by a stranger at night isn’t a provocation.

@drjohn:

Enough with the bullsh*t. Man up.

We’ve seen what you consider to be manly, so I’ll take a pass. But feel free to continue getting off on your GZ fantasy. Maybe some day you’ll get your chance to shoot one. My suggestion, move to Florida.

TOM, if Zimmerman was FOLLOWING Trayvon, how is it, he did not “confront” him, until he was on his way BACK to his car.. RETRACING his steps?? For YOU to be right, Trayvon SHOULD have been BEHIND Zimmerman!! So how did he pop up, AHEAD OF HIM??
Unless, as the FACTS show, Z missed seeing Trayvon turn left.and walked PAST Trayvons new path… and Trayvon, seeing his “pursuer” was GONE.. went LOOKING FOR HIM. At THAT MOMENT, WHO stalked WHO, thus CAUSING the CONFRONTATION ?? TRAYVON was after Zimmerman at this point. so HE HIMSELF, caused the confrontation.
A FIVE YEAR OLD can grasp this TOM, what’s YOUR HANDICAP??

@Hankster58:

First of all, in case you’re confused: http://grownupgeek.com/capslock.jpg

I’m not really sure what else can be said. Here we have a message board where I’d wager many commenters feel the world is dangerous enough that they need to carry a gun with them at all times, but good luck getting anyone to concede that if they were followed down the street at night by a stranger, who didn’t respond to a direct question (“Why are you following me?”) and continued following after you literally ran away, that you would consider that a danger and a provocation. “That’s not illegal” is the response, as if that’s the freaking point. We’re talking about a 17 year of who was likely scared shitless. We’re talking about people dismissing the existence of one of humanity’s oldest, most primal fears, being followed, because that way it’s easier to say the guy being followed is to blame.

@Tom:

We’re talking about a 17 year of who was likely scared shitless.

No, Tom, we’re talking about a 17 year old who was used to fighting and had no fear of some creepy assed cracker.

After Martin told a female friend he was “tired and sore” from a fight, she asked him why he fought. “Bae” is shorthand for “babe.”

MARTIN: Cause man dat nigga snitched on me

FRIEND: Bae y you always fightinqq man, you got suspended?

MARTIN: Naw we thumped afta skool in a duckd off spot

FRIEND: Ohh, Well Damee

MARTIN: I lost da 1st round 🙁 but won da 2nd nd 3rd . . . .

FRIEND: Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting bae Forreal

MARTIN: Nay im not done with fool….. he gone hav 2 see me again

FRIEND: Nooo… Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh?

MARTIN: Naw but he aint breed (bleed) nuff 4 me, only his nose

The fight followed the mixed martial arts (MMA) format. A day later, Martin would tell a friend that his opponent “got mo hits cause in da 1st round he had me on da ground nd I couldn;t do ntn

Those were texts taken from Trayvon Martin’s cell phone. A “scared shitless” teen would have run home and told his dad that he was being followed. Oh, wait, his dad wasn’t there. Then he would run home and called 911. Oh, wait, he was not the kind of kid to call 911 cause he thought he could take care of the creepy assed cracker himself. You know, make him bleed.

@Tom:

“continued following after you literally ran away,”

No evidence of that Tom. None. Zip. Nada.

The evidence is (if you believe Rachael) that Tray got to Green’s place. So how did Tray get back to the “T”? Tray had to be the one doing the chasing.

As far as we can tell Zimm was watching – as the NEN dispatcher suggested. And stopped watching/following when the dispatcher said he didn’t have to do that. He was past the “T” on his way to the car – judging from the evidence of where the keys and flashlight were dropped – as he said.

But none of that matters. As soon as Tray started renovating the sidewalk with Zim’s head and Zim couldn’t get away deadly force was available to him as an out. He didn’t do that for 40 seconds. That shows a LOT of restraint.

But you want this to be a race case. OK. Did you feel the same about Crystal Magnum? Be patient. Give it time. The truth WILL come out.

Tom,

I see why you are confused. You have the time line totally screwed. Did you follow the trial every day? It sounds like you got your clues from the talking heads. You certainly didn’t get them from the evidence.

@M. Simon:

Where is Tom’s outrage for Defino Mora, or Hoang Nguyen or Joshua Chellew. or Channon Christian or Christopher Newsome? Where is Tom’s outrage for the black teenagers killed in Chicago just this month?

@retire05:

Hell. Where is his outrage for the four blacks killed in Rockford in the last 10 days? Lots of drive bys. The typical MO of gangs. And what supports the gangs with the least chance of getting busted? Prohibition.

@Tom: 129… If he was “scared shitless” why did he talk to a GF, and NOT the COPS??? Why did he not RUN to the safety of his destination?? Why did he GO BACK.. to get in the FACE, of someone YOU say he was “scared of”?? His ACTIONS, are 180 degrees the OPPOSITE of YOUR MADE UP “facts”. Sorry, your arguments, are defeated by the FACTS of the case. Sorry.. LOGIC says you’re full of it.

But you’re free to stay in La La land… By the way.. STREET SAVVY, STREET FIGHTING Trayvon, isn’t the lil skeerdy cat YOU portray him as, by his OWN TEXTS etc….Why do YOU INSIST, on creating a DIFFERENT Personality, than the one the FACTS we HAVE SEEN, Support??
See a shrink.

@drjohn, #125:

Martin assaulted Zimmerman.

That assertion was never conclusively disproved to the satisfaction of the jury, which is not at all the same thing as being proven to be true. Mr. Zimmerman is free for that reason. Not because his account has been certified by a court of law to be totally factual.

People ought to let it go, at this point. The legal system has done what it’s supposed to do. Remaining questions will never be resolved to any greater degree than they are now.

@Greg:

Greg, Greg, Greg,

Evidently you don’t know the law very well. It matters not who started the fight. Although the evidence is consonant with Martin starting it.

But ok. They are throwing punches. And let us say Zim started it for the sake of argument. Once Tray started renovating the sidewalk with Zims head it all changes. Zim told Tray to stop. John Good told Tray to stop. Zim is now FULLY JUSTIFIED in using deadly force because his life/body is in great danger and he cannot retreat.

Trayvon is now dead because he wouldn’t stop the fight as requested.

See what lack of manners can do to your life?

DONALD TRUMP WOULD HAVE LIKE HIM TO GET 30 YEARS IN PRISON?
YOUR WORDS TRANSLATE TO IT,
IT WAS THAT OR ACQUITAL DON’T YOU SEE IT,
AND THE STARS PROTESTING, WHAT KIND OF EVIL IS HITTING THIS COUNTRY,SHAME ON YOU, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN WAS PROTECTING HIS LIFE
HOW DARE YOU ARE WISHING EVIL TO AN INNOCENT PERSON WHO HAD BEEN BEATEN SO BAD,
DONALD REMEMBER WHERE YOU ARE, IT COULD HAPPEN TO YOU.
NOW YOU WANT TO PROTECT YOUR ASSSETS BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOME WITH THE BLACKS?
YOU ARE NO ANGEL YOURSELF,
AND YOU JUST LOST YOUR CREDIBILITY.

@Greg:

That assertion was never conclusively disproved to the satisfaction of the jury, which is not at all the same thing as being proven to be true. Mr. Zimmerman is free for that reason. Not because his account has been certified by a court of law to be totally factual.

Nonsense. Only one person had fight wounds outside of the gunshot. Only one person was seen to be being pummeled.

Just how stupid would you have to be to start a fight with a man stronger and six inches taller than you while you have a loaded gun holstered?

Your arguments don’t just strain credulity, they pulverize it.

@Tom:

Maybe some day you’ll get your chance to shoot one.

You are officially an idiot.

I don’t often say anything like that to readers here but you deserve it.

@Tom:

Up to the moment of the fight, no one had done anything illegal. Martin then assaulted Zimmerman. Martin likely would have killed Zimmerman had he not had the gun.

BTW, if I am a scared shitless 17 year old being followed by someone I run as fast as I can to the safety of the Green condo. I don’t turn back and find the guy following me and pick a fight with him.

You’ll remember that Rachel Jeantel testified that Martin was nearly home. That proves Martin had to return to the 28 building looking for Zimmerman.

@drjohn:

Only one person had fight wounds outside of the gunshot. Only one person was seen to be being pummeled.

It’s not known for a fact that Martin started the fight. There’s only one living person who actually knows the truth of that. No one actually witnessed the events as the defense described them. Several witnesses provided details—many with an admitted degree of uncertainty—that were woven into a picture. That picture created sufficient doubt to make the jury unwilling to convict.

As I said, that’s be best anyone will ever be able to do.

Just how stupid would you have to be to start a fight with a man stronger and six inches taller than you while you have a loaded gun holstered?

How reasonable would it be for a skinny teenager to provoke a fight with an unknown man that’s 40 pounds heavier, who’s already been seen to be following him for no apparent reason, and who might or might not be carrying a firearm? I’m guessing Martin was afraid. I don’t know for certain what he concluded he should do. Neither does anyone else. Who knows what words were actually exchanged, or how they were interpreted?

People who take Zimmerman’s side should be glad that he was acquitted and leave it at that. Forcing him into a role that he may not want isn’t doing him any favor. It just intensifies the polarization, and pushes him back to the center of it. I doubt if he wants to stay there.

@drjohn:

Up to the moment of the fight, no one had done anything illegal

Legal and moral aren’t synonyms, Dr John. I have nowhere stated that the the courts decision, based on the laws of Florida and the limitations of the available evidence, is incorrect. That doesn’t change my perception that GZ was absolutely in the wrong to set into motion the confrontation through his irresponsible and aggressive actions and posture. How a person cannot understand that is mind-boggling.

BTW, if I am a scared shitless 17 year old being followed by someone I run as fast as I can to the safety of the Green condo. I don’t turn back and find the guy following me and pick a fight with him.

We shouldn’t put our fellow citizens into scenarios where not following the script perfectly is a death sentence. This idea that if TM – a person walking down the street – had just done A, B, C and D, in that order, he would be alive today, so it’s his fault, is ridiculous.

@Tom:

So now it is immoral to be a neighborhood watchman? Trained by police and following a dispatchers suggestions? Who knew?

==================

BTW the best discussion of the time line I know of. From about a year ago. There may be some small errors because we know more now.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/evidence-that-trayvon-martin-doubled-back

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/the-missing-230-and-deedees-testimony

We shouldn’t put our fellow citizens into scenarios where not following the script perfectly is a death sentence.

Continued assault by the No Limit Nigga is a fairly basic error.

Do people now get a pass if they assault you? Well assuming they have the correct skin pigmentation.

Seriously – the ground you are trying to hold is untenable. Why not work Drug Prohibition which is selectively enforced on Blacks according to this former DEA agent:

To my knowledge, this is the first time a neighborhood watch has been associated with a body count.

The actual Neighborhood Watch, which exists under the auspices of the National Sheriff’s Association, was pretty quick to disavow any connections with Mr. Zimmerman. He was not a member of any recognized Neighborhood Watch organization. He was captain of a group he created. I don’t recall hearing that this “group” had any other members. Maybe someone else has more information on that.

@M. Simon: Here is my though about wondering if someone is “ARMED AND DANGEROUS” while “YOU” are watching a person raining down punches in bunches and also watching that same person BANGING a head agains concrete or the ground…”ARMED AND DANGEROUS” should have been’s TM’s mind set before making the ‘WRONG CHOICE”given the fact that he either had 2 or 4 minutes to walk or run the 300 yards to safety

@M. Simon:

So now it is immoral to be a neighborhood watchman? Trained by police and following a dispatchers suggestions? Who knew?

Since you seem hungry for my attention, I would love to engage your observation, but of course I wrote nothing of the sort. Apparently my position is so weak, people have to keep inventing new ones to argue against.

Since you brought it up, here’s what real experts thought of Zimmerman’s “Neighborhood Watch”activities.

Alexandria, VA – For nearly four decades, the Neighborhood Watch Program (housed within the National Sheriffs’ Association (NSA)) has worked to unite law enforcement agencies, private organizations, and individual citizens in a nation-wide effort to reduce crime and improve local communities.

The purpose of the Neighborhood Watch Program is to enable citizens to act as the “eyes and ears” within their community and alert law enforcement immediately when they notice suspicious activity. However, the Neighborhood Watch Program does not in any way, shape, or form advocate citizens to take the law in their own hands. The success of the program has established Neighborhood Watch as the nation’s premier crime prevention and community mobilization program. Visible signs of the program are seen throughout America on street signs, window decals, community block parties and service projects.

“The alleged action of a “self-appointed neighborhood watchman” last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program,” stated NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.). “NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program.”

“The Neighborhood Watch Program fosters collaboration and cooperation with the community and local law enforcement by encouraging citizens to be aware of what is going on in their communities and contact law enforcement if they suspect something – NOT take the law in their own hands,” continued Executive Director Kennard. “The alleged participant ignored everything the Neighborhood Watch Program stands for and it resulted in a young man losing his life. Our thoughts and prayers are with the family of Trayvon Martin during this terrible time.”

See Tom – it is like this. The case is being run by the Scheme Team and all they are interested in is another pay day. And so far it seems to be paying well. And you are caught up playing their game instead of dealing with issues where you CAN make a difference.

Check out this comment from another blog on what Crump & Co. are up to:

http://fyre.it/CRKaMh.4

Maybe their T-shirt warning should be printed in reverse, so that it can easily be read in a mirror.