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Nan G
10 years ago
She can use the term ”retarded,” because she is a 19-year-old high school JUNIOR.
So….
Greg
10 years ago
This guy should be careful. Rachel could probably knock him flat on his creepy-ass cracker butt, martial arts skills notwithstanding. He’s already had to be rescued from an angry union demonstrator old enough to be his father.
Sid
10 years ago
Trayvon also had just as much responsibility to make some correct choices leading up to his demise, which, I am sure, if he had another opportunity, he would have exercised them.
What causes a boy to attack an adult asking legitimate questions, when that boy is out past his bed time, in that man’s own neighborhood, and to cause injury to that man prior to a gunshot going off? What is it about youth today that gives them this feeling of invincibility to be able to roam the streets and abuse the citizenry when asked legitimate questions?
No one had a gun pointed at his head leading up to the time that the shot went off. No one forced him to attack and injure. So, why did he do it?
Whether Zimmerman provoked the youth to attack does not mean as much to me as the fact that the youth had anger issues, and possibly racial hatred issues which means he would have attacked whether it were Zimmerman or any other man or woman or child.
People do not deserve to get shot for things like this, but on the other hand, law-abiding citizens should not expect to have the living shit kicked out of them, and possibly suffer permanent injury or worse, for merely being an adult in ones own neighborhood, and questioning a stranger (the youth Trayvon) late at night on why he is trespassing within the precincts of ones domain.
The spin that hypocritical, racist scumbags like Al Sharpton are putting on this makes the word racism ring with irony, and this will only prove the theory that twisting the truth will come back to bite you in the ass.
Yes, Mr. Sharpton is one of the forces behind the push to prosecute Zimerman.
A quote from Sharpton, “I have no problem with Khalid Abdul Muhammad. My problem is with Giuliani. It is not Khalid who is talking hate. It’s Rudy Giuliani.”
Issues like this really do not go that far when you scratch the surface even remotely.
Nan G
10 years ago
Retarded or showing symptoms of being high?
I noticed the DXM liver damage Trayvon suffered was not mentioned by the medical examiner.
She focused on Zimmerman instead.
But a 17 year old with that much liver damage from DXM had to be using it a lot.
He might have different ways of perceiving reality than might a non-high person.
“…Be very careful in trying to restrain the DXM/Watermelon Lean tripper, since she or he may perceive this as a threat, and will probably be mostly immune to pain…the tripper, like a cornered animal, could beat the living shit out of you without thinking twice. (!!) …”http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/faq/dxm_side_effects.shtml
This is sort of off-topic but it might be worth sharing, particularly for anyone with kids. (Unfortunately they often tend to know more than their parents suspect about over-the-counter products that have an abuse potential.) It might also be worth noting to adults my own age, who all have their routine pain issues.
DMX liver damage probably isn’t a result of DMX. It’s far more likely to be a result of the acetaminophen (the active ingredient in Tylenol) which is sometimes included in the same cough and cold products containing the DMX.
A single normal dose of the DMX-containing cough product gives the consumer a normal dose of acetaminophen. Downing an entire bottle or more—which a person looking for a high will commonly do—provides a huge overdose of acetaminophen. Excessive consumption of acetaminophen unquestionably causes serious liver damage. The likelihood of liver damage is even higher if alcohol is involved. Acetaminophen is only safe when taken as directed. Both extended routine over-use and single very high doses can do irreversible damage to the liver.
Nan G
10 years ago
@Greg:
Thanks for the detailed info, Greg.
I also read that this particular drug cocktail is nicknamed ”lean,” because, if you drink too much of it too fast (as opposed to sipping it) you have a tough time staying upright.
Trayvon’s Skittles and Watermelon ”tea” were unopened when he was shot…..he must have been planning on adding the cough medicine with its DMX and acetaminophen later.
Sid
YES the abnormal anger which came from TRAYVON who said to kill him,
is so obvious all along the court case,
it could be due to that drug,
and on his blog he was not showing to be an angel either he advertise the leaf of drug also,
and combative behavior.
Sid
it seems to be their normal behavior, he was expel from school, some obscure reason,
relating to stolen jewels found in his packsack, he must have been already fired up ,
for a fight to anyone in his path. OTHER WISE HE WOULD STILL BE IN MIAMI
that’s why he was there with his father and his wife,
bye
@Nan G: I noticed the DXM liver damage Trayvon suffered was not mentioned by the medical examiner.
Probably because there is no “DXM liver damage” mentioned in her medical report.
“*Mild* fatty liver” is common, has over 61 causes and can often be other misdiagnosed causes. The medical examiner wasn’t there to speculate on how that *mild* fatty liver got that way. After describing the liver’s surface and colors/textures on sectioning, it’s overall appearance and health was summed up on pg 6 of the 23 report as “LIVER: No diagnostic abnormality.”
dd
10 years ago
Wow. Were you ever offended by the phrase cracker? I never found it hurtful, or pain based, just a sorry attempt to belittle those who have belittled African Americans as a race in America. Actually its weak at best. Suppose it held the same weight as nigger or for you too cool folks, nigga. Suppose it caused pain when used against or included in. I am sorry that whoever thought using the phrase cracker , or honkey accomplished anything more than make the receiver laugh. Laugh! Suppose we could just laugh off the minor attempt of a teenager to express themselves as anything more than a teenager. A teenager that has to give witness to her close friends death. I couldn’t do it. Perhaps being a marine gives you that skill. Suppose Zimmerman stayed in his car, Suppose Trayvon, went about his business and walked home from the store. Suppose there’d be no need to chat about anything more than how your child likes Arizona tea and skittles too. No kids? Maybe you like the same items and own a hoody too. In California George resembles a Mexican, imagine if he were mistaken for something different then what he is, and can never let his killer know he’s a Zimmerman. Not a Garcia, that may have broke in the week before on the same block. Suppose we get past this, Supposition is why Zimmerman now hides from the world.
dd
cracker is not bothering me or anyone else,
but bashing head on a concrete edge after breaking nose of a GUARDIAN OF A COMMUNITY TARGETTED
BY THIEVES WHO ROB THEM, EVEN THAT THEY ARE POOR PEOPLE,
that bother anyone in their right mind,
dd
10 years ago
Oh thanks for responding. If he had stayed in the car and followed what the 911 operative had advised none of those physical problems would have happened to him. (I have raised my children to understand not obeying leads to natural consequences! But someone died as a result of his disobedience!)
EVERYBODY is ignoring the choices that Zimmerman made. The child is dead because of Zimmermans actions. My boss passed around info yesterday that TM may have been a drug user of some concoction “Lean,” possibly in the past, supposition, that the condition of his liver may have been evidence of such. But there was no signs of such drugs in his system upon autopsy. He believed that TM’s paranoia from past drugs may have lead to his paranoia that he was being followed by a rapist, and feared for his safety(the Witness stated this in her response.) That may have been a possible reason, if there was medical evidence supporting my bosses theory. ( I wasn’t going against him so I gave it to the kids to investigate.
I have a 17 yr old son who’s a Senior this year. Schools out for summer so at any point in time I have about 5 to six boys in my house. Bless their hearts they’re like locust, so I bribed the bunch with Pizza and soda if they would play devils advocate and give an opinion for Trayvon. The drug concoction my boss mentioned “Lean”- some of the kids knew about but mostly claimed they learned it from some Rapper, or song. I gave them all Arizona tea, and asked who liked skittles. I was advised by my child, I was being “weird,” and they looked up the song, and Lean ingredients for me. I hope that musician doesn’t increase revenue as a result…but unlike my boss lead me to Suppose, the Lean drug, used soda and a codeine syrup. We couldn’t find the Tea and skittles link. My beautiful boy came up with a report that “fatty liver” was not exclusive to “Lean” abuse and could be the result of a poor diet, or heredity, depending on the diet of the family. This was the first fact to get their Lunch.
Next I asked them about the fear of rape allegation, 5 out of 6 high school boys, one african American gave the same answer, if the man had cornered them or somehow continued to follow them and they feared rape, if Running didn’t get them away, they would resort to violence, beating the Hell out of the “rapist pervert.” They gave equally hostile descriptions, that are over what’s needed for you of how the “pervert” wouldn’t live to rape them!
Not one including my son ever mentioned unless he had a gun or weapon. My son’s 6ft2″ and weighs 182 lbs. He felt it was not pertaining to him because he’s a wide receiver/tight end and could outrun any attacker. His friend Madisen, is just under 6ft7, 300lbs and said in his hilarious gentle Ben demeanor, “If he wanted to try, I’m not running anywhere.!” Saddest thing is we have a “stand your ground” here in Washington. Every boy spoke with pride and cockiness! That’s how 15-17 year old boys are! Fearless! I bought 8 pizza’s, gave up a chocolate cake, chips and lots of 2L bottles of soda for them to enjoy while gaming. It was fun and very grounding. Every child had a hoody also!
If one of these kids’ life was taken at the hands of a man that could have stood down and waited for police, he’d need to take their place. In my opinion he chose to get brutalized when he chose to follow his own Suppositions instead of waiting for the authorities. Didn’t he call the police over 67 times in his short span setting up the neighborhood watch. Sounds a little trigger Happy.
That teenage boy had a right to be there, he had every right to go home undisturbed , regardless of what Mr. Zimmerman was apprised of before Mstr. Martin hit the premises. He was not guilty of anything. I am obviously a tad more sensative than the average blogger, I have a 17 yr old boy, who could care less whats happening in Florida, because at 17 his cares should be, Girls,Friends, summer break, school and college in that order. Now because others think like you did but in reverse, Mr. Zimmermans life is possibly in danger. Nothing was right about that night. If one of my sons friends were lost to such nonsense or him, this world wouldnt be worth participating in. By the way do you agree if Mr. Zimmerman had staid put w/his gun there wouldn’t have been a bashing head on a concrete edge after breaking nose ” If you still try to justify why he couldn’t wait for the police Pray you and those like you see no more tragedy. The next time It could happen to an innocent you love.
No exchange with my boss, he mentioned if it was his daughter e’d expect her to fight! And that is why this wont be solved today.
DD
YES GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, HAD NO CHOICE TO MAKE
if he did not have a gun he would be dead,
the other one was sure to kill him and he proceed to do it,
he bash and bash the head of his victim,
even when the victim call for help, he continue to bash his head,
the victim is lucky to be alive,
dd
10 years ago
Actually this is our last chat. If Zimmerman stayed in the car like 911 said, no injuries no death. That was his CHOICE!. Some think he brought it on himself. I’m one of them!
Perhaps you don’t understand what neighborhood watch does. One thing they don’t do is carry guns. Oh and they observe and report. IT’S CALLED WATCHING!
There is no scientific proof it was Zimmermans voice? The Judge wouldn’t allow it. So we’re guessing. There is proof that the police arrived shortly after the death, which means if George had stayed in HIS car they would have arrived shortly before. That’s a CHOICE!
I didn’t read anything regarding Trayvon dragging Zimmerman out of his car and beating him did you?
We’ll have to wait and see, if he hopes to receive a jurist doctorate law degree, he’ll have to do more than lean on his father.
Community colleges Don’t offer them, BACHELOR’S. Maybe you were unaware. Law degrees are received in Grad school. So far Zimmerman has a HS Diploma. However if you don’t want to admit his condition would be nonexistent had he remained in the car, keep justifying his injuries until you feel better. You believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny as well don’t ya. It’s a CHOICE. By acting within the scope of a volunteer which is what Zimmerman was, all would be fine. No fight… No death.
Zimmerman assumed he was right, and proceeded to put himself in harms way. No proof that Trayvon was a theif. We don’t and didn’t ever hear that. Most people involved in life or death fights don’t take time to do more than fight. Sorry the injuries occurred in a physical altercation, most do when a fight.
This wasn’t a Zen situation. George Zimmerman w/ his gun was in control from start to finish. He just made the mistake that a frightened kid could over power him. He was a coward. One more thing, Where I’m from Gated communities are very nice, not poor. Thieves go where they can steal. No one has to live there. Ready, it’s a CHOICE!
Actually this is our last chat. If Zimmerman stayed in the car like 911 said, no injuries no death. That was his CHOICE!. Some think he brought it on himself. I’m one of them!
Your entire post is discredited by this opening statement. Just because you want a false fact to be true, doesn’t make it so.
Redteam
10 years ago
@retire05: His whole discourse was discredited by his whole discourse.
Consider this statement by DD:
Perhaps you don’t understand what neighborhood watch does. One thing they don’t do is carry guns. Oh and they observe and report. IT’S CALLED WATCHING!
Did I miss something? Wasn’t GZ going to Target and saw a person, in the dark, in the rain, standing on someone’s lawn, looking in someone’s window, in GZ’s neighborhood? Didn’t he call the police? Didn’t he continue to observe him, waiting for the police to arrive? TM had gone home(Father house) and then came back in the dark and hit GZ, and pounded him onto the concrete. TM got shot. If TM had not been out in the dark, in the rain, looking in someone’s house, would he be dead? What did I miss?
dd
10 years ago
for anyone that bothers or cares the definition of discourse is to converses or argue.
“…waiting for the police to arrive? TM had gone home(Father house) and then came back in the dark and hit GZ, and pounded him onto the concrete. TM got shot. If TM had not been out in the dark, in the rain, looking in someone’s house, would he be dead? What did I miss?”
Dude or dudette- GZ got out of the car so No he did not wait! – there’d be no head bashing or fatal shooting if he stayed where he was in the car. You missed that. We don’t know what TM really did it was per GZ/ whose facts contradicted .on a regular basis. Like a liar-not from another witness. Just George and his Gun. You missed this.
I can’t believe I wrote you, but think of what a moron this GZ is. In his own neighborhood he shot a fellow neighbor because he thought he looked like a potential intruder. (Actually he shot a neighbor because he mistook him to be a bad guy, followed him against the rules of his volunteer position, and the 911 Authorities and after victimizing this neighbor killed him when the neighbor fought back).At some point in time you might think it all through and realize he shot a neighbors kid because he feared he wasn’t a neighbor. We are suppose to go by what GZ reported. The only witness who assumed another resident was a thief, because he was looking in a window? You’re choosing to miss this. Or that he was black wearing a hoody, like …lets criminally profile shall we… You missed this!
By the way why was he looking? Voyeurism, peeping Tom? Definitely against the law, but not applicable here. If it was guess what the police are in route to handle anything of this sort. Ive checked FL. rules, there is no law stating being black(White or plaid) and looking into a window is anything more than looking through a window. Time of day, relevance to be determined by authorized authorities. You missed this.
To you, does it really matter, Zimmerman chose not to follow what he was advised to do, by both the legal authority and the neighborhood watch program.
As a result he was injured and killed a black kid doing what he damned well pleased walking through his own neighborhood or the neighbor hood he was authorized to be in., (no law against looking, but there’s no real witness just the one who pulled the trigger) Maybe you missed this- his neighborhood, the gated one that had a history of break ins. His TM’s home as well. How are you expected to act in your neighbor hood? Is it in black and white? Do you get to die as a result of some HERO exercising his right to be wrong!
Sad part I think the news reported 1/5 of the tenants were Black. I may be off on the %. Well for their mortgage payments and hard work they now can include possible loss of life for being Black or fitting a profile. Amazing. Since they were victims of the crimes in their neighborhood as well. Still think its not biased. How about idiot biased? Have a good day. Thanks for sharing your views.
I hate insomnia, but you all give me something to do…
Did you ever hear of GZ sayingy he introduced himself as the neighborhood watch Captain,
Are you lost???? Can I give you any directions? Yah we all missed this.
dd
10 years ago
I appreciate your opinion, prove my statement wrong. Last time I checked, being in a car w/a gun was a hell of a lot safer than being a self righteous, misinformed superman want-to-be confronting an unknown threat. Against legal authority, and volunteer Authority. Actually driving away was the safest. His injuries didn’t happen in the car.
His choice to engage, be out of the vehicle, not follow legal advice and confront someone.
dd
10 years ago
I appreciate your opinion, prove my statement wrong. Last time I checked, being in a car w/a gun was a hell of a lot safer than being a self righteous, misinformed superman want-to-be confronting an unknown threat. Against legal authority, and volunteer Authority. Actually driving away was the safest. His injuries didn’t happen in the car! Did you miss this?
His choice to engage by getting out of the vehicle, against legal advice and confront someone who had a right to be there as well as him was inappropriate and bordering vigilantism.
If you muttered he didn’t know? My point is Proven. If you think he had a right to defend himself, my point is proven. Zimmerman stalked this kid, like prey. No confrontation with the police present. Anything that occurred to Zimmerman as a result of him being inpatient and not waiting is his own fault. PROCESSES EXIST FOR A REASON.
dd
you don’t know if he would be alive, you are just living in the: IF, WHAT IF, MAYBE,
MOST LIKELY, LIKELY SO, JUST LIKE THE SHARPTON AND FOLLOWERS WHO BLAME
THE MAN WHO SUFFER THE PAIN ENOUGH TO THINK HE WAS GOING TO PASS OUT, AND THE OTHER WOULD SO EASY TAKE HIS GUN AND LIKE HE TOLD HIM KILL, BECAUSE GEORGE ZIMMERMAN
HE WAS IN HIS WAY, NOT TO GO HOME, BUT FOR DOING WHAT?
His choice to engage by getting out of the vehicle, against legal advice and confront someone who had a right to be there as well as him was inappropriate and bordering vigilantism.
I’ve read comments by a lot of uninformed nitwits, but congratulations, dd, you have won the prize for Uninformed Nitwit of the Year.
Would you care to comment on Hoang Nguyen, Antonio Santiago or any of the other people needlessly murdered by 17 year old black thugs? Or are you just here to trump up a race case a la your leader, Al Sharpton?
Let’s see if you’re smarter than your 19 year old high school junior namesake; explain how Zimmerman was guilty of the crime of “stalking” by quoting Florida stalking laws.
Dude or dudette- GZ got out of the car so No he did not wait! – there’d be no head bashing or fatal shooting if he stayed where he was in the car. You missed that. We don’t know what TM really did it was per GZ/ whose facts contradicted .on a regular basis.
You didn’t mention that the role of a neighborhood watch was to remain in his car. In fact, I’ll bet many Neighborhood Watch’s are never in a car (while Neighborhood watching) You do agree that TM was on foot don’t you? Wouldn’t you think the easiest way to observe someone on foot is to be on foot yourself. Had he remained in the car, he would have had to have driven onto the sidewalk to keep him under observation. Wouldn’t he? GZ had no limitation to his maneuverability, in or out of car, to keep him under observation. Had the thug not have hit him, he would not be dead.
The only witness who assumed another resident was a thief, because he was looking in a window?
At least you seem to have a sense of humor. So, based on that statement, I’m going to assume that if your wife were home alone, after dark, in the rain some guy in a hoodie were looking in her window, you would see nothing suspicious in that and would not have her call the police because he ‘might be a neighbor’ just out for an evening walk, in the rain. And you certainly would not want to keep that person in sight until the police arrived. And of course, you’re missing the point that this person was ‘not a resident’ of the neighborhood and had never been seen by the Neighborhood Watch in that community before. Keep your sense of humor DD (I assume that’s for DuDette).
dd
10 years ago
Not as humorous as you think. Not applicable, but my daughter knows what to do! Funny, It was to protect her against any dumb guy that wanted to date her! So We put her in KungFu when she was 4, and the first thing she was taught is to tell the opposer with her hands up- “I don’t want any trouble.” I’m going to Assume now its because she has enough training to do bodily harm to them…and in all fairness if they proceed she wouldn’t be the aggressor. 11 years experience, she can flip and kick her 17 year old, 6ft 2 bro’s butt.
for you, no law against following, the local sherrif’s department and police, advise these Neighborhood Watch to act as the eyes and ears for your neighbors and the Sheriff’s Office by reporting suspicious activity. Citizens are encouraged to call law enforcement when they see suspicious activity in their neighborhood, to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.
The confrontation and / or apprehension of any suspicious person should be left to law enforcement officers.
Once George reported the suspicious activity, as neighborhood watch, his part was done. He went above and beyond his “call of duty” And yes after being told to cease he continued. His prob. Like my daughter him having a Gun, was back up enough in not wanting any trouble. If Trayvon had jumped him on that phone call we’d have proof. Instead we have a dead kid. And identifying a neighbor isnt his job, just reporting suspicious activity.
Curious once GZ reported activity, he’s no longer needed. Not needed to track the person, give additional developing data, or continue to witness a crime. The real police take over. Guess he forgot.
dd
10 years ago
Whoah. I only follow a carpenter that died for my sins. He would have maintained love all of them! The incorrect neighborhood watch guy and the cocky black kid that was heading home.
The people I grew up around would have probably shot Zimmerman first because he looked like a Mexican. Shoot first ask questions later. They are still morons. That legally carry guns. Big Texas Guns. Not these street thugs I can only assume you mean. Morons come in all colors shapes and sizes.
This was available on a Florida’s website- Neighborhood Watch asks you to act as the eyes and ears for your neighbors and the Sheriff’s Office by reporting suspicious activity. Citizens are encouraged to call law enforcement when they see suspicious activity in their neighborhood, to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.
The confrontation and / or apprehension of any suspicious person should be left to law enforcement officers. However, the exchange of information between citizens and law enforcement officers is a vital link in effective crime prevention.
He made his report, the authorities were on the way. Why not pat your self on the back for a job well done?
dd
good for giving your daughter the tools to defend herself,
that is very smart to have done it from very young,
okay, now get off GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’S BACK,
HE IS INNOCENT AND DECLARE INNOCENT, HE WAS LUCKY TO HAVE HIS GUN,
SO TO STILL BE ALIVE,
AND HE HAD THE RIGHT TO CHECK WHERE TRAYVON WHERE, BECAUSE HE WAS ASK TO KEEP AN EYE ON HIM AND HIS WHERE ABOUT SO TO TELL THE POLICE,
HE WAS THE LEGITTIMITE GUARDIAN OF THAT COMMUNITY TO PREVENT BREAK IN, AND ATTACK,
WHAT ELSE CAN WE SAY,
dd
10 years ago
You still don’t get it do you. We are actually chatting on a site that calls a witness in a decade defining trial retarded. She come’s from a different culture. Maybe we are a lot special ourselves.
I thought from your writing style you may have spoken english as a second language so I was nice, given possible translation and being basic!
I’m not on Zimmermans back. I’m embarrassed for him. Some nut will probably feel justified in shooting him! He wasn’t innocent. He did it. He chose to follow an innocent individual hoping for something to occur. And caused enough fear in the person he was following the occurrance, of his own assault and the death of another.
This kid wasn’t a theif. He probably used as much drugs as george. He was an authorized guest. Pay attention. That law allowed Zimmerman to act on his own fears when his initial need to pursue backfired. How convenient.
Did you know if Trayvon felt his life was in danger and Shot Zimmerman the agressor with a registered gun, he’d be in jail. WAKE Up , apparently you don’t agree that we’re not so open w/ a Black President, we can feel sorry for someone that bites off more than he could chew. But if Trayvonne had shot w/ his gun(not actual) he would have been an “innocent” black guy in jail.
As the parent of a teenage boy, I can’t justify a paranoid self important volunteer for shooting ANYONE , male female, asian ,white or plaid based on his misinterpretation of what the Neighborhood watch program intends to accomplish which is keeping our neighborhood safe. And God why would someone who bought a gun to protect himself from a dog, think he is ok to shoot an individual, a human, (actually shooting a dog sucks as an option as well)
We don’t have neighborhood watch in the community I live in. We have a very well paid Security staff. They carry guns. We don’t have an abundance of crime. Maybe I’m clueless about what our laws cover. I looked up whats covered by neighborhood watch programs prior to speaking to you. Just an option.
Pleeeeeze, you have already embarrassed yourself enough. Now it is just becoming painful to watch you continue. Anyone who seems to have so few of the actual facts should hang their head in shame thinking you have any authority to speak on this case.
dd
10 years ago
I’m tired, and not sleeping at night. Chatting w/ you all has been an option to avoid the heat, I’ve never been tired enough to justify a nasty black and white situation. Not races, print.
I will be home next week, sleep and not care what your opinion is. Because it can’t bring back the boy, or straighten out what was done by GZ. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty right, you forgot the boy- You don’t know what transpired prior to the fight. Guess he’s innocent as well.
Insufficient evidence or witnesses means your innocent? We’ll have to wait and see. Karma is a …!
I’m just happy not to have this in my life. Sorry its in theirs, but not mine.
dd
10 years ago
No one has authority here. Its all opinion, everyone has one! Like belly buttons. You’re alive to give it.
Best wishes. It’s amazing what you can get away w/ on line.
This was available on a Florida’s website- Neighborhood Watch asks you to act as the eyes and ears for your neighbors and the Sheriff’s Office by reporting suspicious activity. Citizens are encouraged to call law enforcement when they see suspicious activity in their neighborhood, to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.
re-read this sentence:” Citizens are encouraged to call law enforcement when they see suspicious activity in their neighborhood, to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.” then this part: ” to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.”
I guess I missed the part about, call, identify and get the hell out of there while the thug proceeds to break into the house. No where in those directions does it say to not keep the person in sight if possible so that the police will know where he is. In fact, it says “give them whatever information is available”. No where does it say that when a MMA guy slugs you, that you should just lay down and die.
You’ve quoted that thing about the duties of a Neighborhood Watch several times and NOT ONE SINGLE TIME have you pointed out where GZ did anything that was not on that list of things for him to do.
When and who told him:” And yes after being told to cease he continued.”. Who gave him an order? Who had the Authority to give him an order? No one did.
But you really make the case for GZ when you said your little 11 yr old could kick her larger brother’s butt. So you will concede that someone trained in MMA such as TM was could be a danger to GZ? correct? When TM got to “his father house” why didn’t he stay there? No, he wanted to demonstrate a little MMA to that little Hispanic guy. Didn’t work out well for him. Do you think your 17 year old son has the right to defend himself against a KungFu trained artist, regardless of age, or is he required to take the butt kicking and ‘like it’ ? Yep, DuDette, you’re quite humorous.
Redteam
10 years ago
@dd:#27 DuDette, in the very same comment where you put down someone for referring to a retarded person as ‘retarded’, you then refer to some persons as being ” plaid”
you said: “for shooting ANYONE , male female, asian ,white or plaid ” . Will you elaborate on the ‘plaid’ persons? What colors are included in the plaid pattern? Are you ‘plaid’? Do you know an actual person that is ‘plaid’? Do you consider that an insult or a compliment? Do you consider the use of the term ‘retarded’ as appropriate? Dictionary.com only says it refers to someone with retardation. They don’t say that describing someone as what they are, is disparaging. That would be like saying that to describe a black person as black is disparaging. Are these ‘plaid’ persons you know all from the same country originally, or are they kinda ‘worldwide’? Are they becoming more plentiful, or dying out?
Redteam
hi,
plaid’ I have a couple of plaid skirts in real wool from SCOTLAND,
THEY MAKE AND WEAR THE PLAID OF MULTIPLE DESIGNS OF LINES OF CHOICE COLORS WHICH SOME PATTERNS IDENTIFIE THEIR GENETIC LINE, MY AUNT USE TO DRESS ME WITH THE SCOTTISH STYLE WHICH I ALWAYS LOVED TO WEAR, I also learned the SCOTTISH dance of the swords,
PLAID IS MANY LINE OF MANY COLORS, BEAUTIFUL HAND MADE BY THE ARTISANS,
BYE
Redteam
10 years ago
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, I also have some plaids, mostly shirts, but I was poking DuDette for referring to people as ‘plaid’. Seems as if he/she/it was trying to insult the plaid race of people by lumping them in as just ‘generic’. Well, plaid people have feelings too.
Redteam
yes I understood your comment, it reminded me of my skirts,
but I COULD NOT FIGURE HER TALKING OF PLAID PEOPLE,
WHAT DID SHE MEANT AS PLAID PEOPLE, I never heard of some people being plaid, is it a new thing?
bye
Redteam
10 years ago
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, what she did by using the word ‘plaid’ was an attempt to insult ‘generic’ people rather than a specific race which she didn’t want to name. People have generally used other words, such as “I don’t care what color they are; black, white, yellow, purple, green, etc” When you don’t want to name the ‘race or color’ the habit is to insert a word that everyone will interpret as generic, or ‘everybody’. plaid is new in this usage, but it works.
Redteam,
she was addressing me as retarded,
that’s okay
bye
dd
10 years ago
youre both fun and wrong. Sort of, Plaids have awesome varying color combinations that make them beautiful., a plaid race in this comment was to skip giving 50 races that make up a person. Hardly Generic. It doesn’t dismiss that the combination is just as beautiful, but you don’t have to have a racial breakdown for the concept to be understood. Or do you.
Retarded?-I have yet to refer to anyone as such. the website you are writing on calls the witness retarded. I’m no longer tired but awake, and not amused I bothered. Some ya-hoo commented on neighborhood watch- interpret as you please- they dont encourage a gun- not even in Texas… and none suggest engaging…thats for trained professionals.
Bee- person- neighborhood watch is never the safety authority in charge.
just clarifying in case you choose to join. Your a tool to aid the safety in your neighborhood.
adios
Redteam
10 years ago
@dd: DuDette, so you don’t understand what the word ‘generic’ means?
She can use the term ”retarded,” because she is a 19-year-old high school JUNIOR.
So….
This guy should be careful. Rachel could probably knock him flat on his creepy-ass cracker butt, martial arts skills notwithstanding. He’s already had to be rescued from an angry union demonstrator old enough to be his father.
Trayvon also had just as much responsibility to make some correct choices leading up to his demise, which, I am sure, if he had another opportunity, he would have exercised them.
What causes a boy to attack an adult asking legitimate questions, when that boy is out past his bed time, in that man’s own neighborhood, and to cause injury to that man prior to a gunshot going off? What is it about youth today that gives them this feeling of invincibility to be able to roam the streets and abuse the citizenry when asked legitimate questions?
No one had a gun pointed at his head leading up to the time that the shot went off. No one forced him to attack and injure. So, why did he do it?
Whether Zimmerman provoked the youth to attack does not mean as much to me as the fact that the youth had anger issues, and possibly racial hatred issues which means he would have attacked whether it were Zimmerman or any other man or woman or child.
People do not deserve to get shot for things like this, but on the other hand, law-abiding citizens should not expect to have the living shit kicked out of them, and possibly suffer permanent injury or worse, for merely being an adult in ones own neighborhood, and questioning a stranger (the youth Trayvon) late at night on why he is trespassing within the precincts of ones domain.
The spin that hypocritical, racist scumbags like Al Sharpton are putting on this makes the word racism ring with irony, and this will only prove the theory that twisting the truth will come back to bite you in the ass.
Yes, Mr. Sharpton is one of the forces behind the push to prosecute Zimerman.
A quote from Sharpton, “I have no problem with Khalid Abdul Muhammad. My problem is with Giuliani. It is not Khalid who is talking hate. It’s Rudy Giuliani.”
Issues like this really do not go that far when you scratch the surface even remotely.
Retarded or showing symptoms of being high?
I noticed the DXM liver damage Trayvon suffered was not mentioned by the medical examiner.
She focused on Zimmerman instead.
But a 17 year old with that much liver damage from DXM had to be using it a lot.
He might have different ways of perceiving reality than might a non-high person.
Hmmmm….
@Nan G, #4:
This is sort of off-topic but it might be worth sharing, particularly for anyone with kids. (Unfortunately they often tend to know more than their parents suspect about over-the-counter products that have an abuse potential.) It might also be worth noting to adults my own age, who all have their routine pain issues.
DMX liver damage probably isn’t a result of DMX. It’s far more likely to be a result of the acetaminophen (the active ingredient in Tylenol) which is sometimes included in the same cough and cold products containing the DMX.
A single normal dose of the DMX-containing cough product gives the consumer a normal dose of acetaminophen. Downing an entire bottle or more—which a person looking for a high will commonly do—provides a huge overdose of acetaminophen. Excessive consumption of acetaminophen unquestionably causes serious liver damage. The likelihood of liver damage is even higher if alcohol is involved. Acetaminophen is only safe when taken as directed. Both extended routine over-use and single very high doses can do irreversible damage to the liver.
@Greg:
Thanks for the detailed info, Greg.
I also read that this particular drug cocktail is nicknamed ”lean,” because, if you drink too much of it too fast (as opposed to sipping it) you have a tough time staying upright.
Trayvon’s Skittles and Watermelon ”tea” were unopened when he was shot…..he must have been planning on adding the cough medicine with its DMX and acetaminophen later.
Sid
YES the abnormal anger which came from TRAYVON who said to kill him,
is so obvious all along the court case,
it could be due to that drug,
and on his blog he was not showing to be an angel either he advertise the leaf of drug also,
and combative behavior.
Sid
it seems to be their normal behavior, he was expel from school, some obscure reason,
relating to stolen jewels found in his packsack, he must have been already fired up ,
for a fight to anyone in his path. OTHER WISE HE WOULD STILL BE IN MIAMI
that’s why he was there with his father and his wife,
bye
Probably because there is no “DXM liver damage” mentioned in her medical report.
“*Mild* fatty liver” is common, has over 61 causes and can often be other misdiagnosed causes. The medical examiner wasn’t there to speculate on how that *mild* fatty liver got that way. After describing the liver’s surface and colors/textures on sectioning, it’s overall appearance and health was summed up on pg 6 of the 23 report as “LIVER: No diagnostic abnormality.”
Wow. Were you ever offended by the phrase cracker? I never found it hurtful, or pain based, just a sorry attempt to belittle those who have belittled African Americans as a race in America. Actually its weak at best. Suppose it held the same weight as nigger or for you too cool folks, nigga. Suppose it caused pain when used against or included in. I am sorry that whoever thought using the phrase cracker , or honkey accomplished anything more than make the receiver laugh. Laugh! Suppose we could just laugh off the minor attempt of a teenager to express themselves as anything more than a teenager. A teenager that has to give witness to her close friends death. I couldn’t do it. Perhaps being a marine gives you that skill. Suppose Zimmerman stayed in his car, Suppose Trayvon, went about his business and walked home from the store. Suppose there’d be no need to chat about anything more than how your child likes Arizona tea and skittles too. No kids? Maybe you like the same items and own a hoody too. In California George resembles a Mexican, imagine if he were mistaken for something different then what he is, and can never let his killer know he’s a Zimmerman. Not a Garcia, that may have broke in the week before on the same block. Suppose we get past this, Supposition is why Zimmerman now hides from the world.
dd
cracker is not bothering me or anyone else,
but bashing head on a concrete edge after breaking nose of a GUARDIAN OF A COMMUNITY TARGETTED
BY THIEVES WHO ROB THEM, EVEN THAT THEY ARE POOR PEOPLE,
that bother anyone in their right mind,
Oh thanks for responding. If he had stayed in the car and followed what the 911 operative had advised none of those physical problems would have happened to him. (I have raised my children to understand not obeying leads to natural consequences! But someone died as a result of his disobedience!)
EVERYBODY is ignoring the choices that Zimmerman made. The child is dead because of Zimmermans actions. My boss passed around info yesterday that TM may have been a drug user of some concoction “Lean,” possibly in the past, supposition, that the condition of his liver may have been evidence of such. But there was no signs of such drugs in his system upon autopsy. He believed that TM’s paranoia from past drugs may have lead to his paranoia that he was being followed by a rapist, and feared for his safety(the Witness stated this in her response.) That may have been a possible reason, if there was medical evidence supporting my bosses theory. ( I wasn’t going against him so I gave it to the kids to investigate.
I have a 17 yr old son who’s a Senior this year. Schools out for summer so at any point in time I have about 5 to six boys in my house. Bless their hearts they’re like locust, so I bribed the bunch with Pizza and soda if they would play devils advocate and give an opinion for Trayvon. The drug concoction my boss mentioned “Lean”- some of the kids knew about but mostly claimed they learned it from some Rapper, or song. I gave them all Arizona tea, and asked who liked skittles. I was advised by my child, I was being “weird,” and they looked up the song, and Lean ingredients for me. I hope that musician doesn’t increase revenue as a result…but unlike my boss lead me to Suppose, the Lean drug, used soda and a codeine syrup. We couldn’t find the Tea and skittles link. My beautiful boy came up with a report that “fatty liver” was not exclusive to “Lean” abuse and could be the result of a poor diet, or heredity, depending on the diet of the family. This was the first fact to get their Lunch.
Next I asked them about the fear of rape allegation, 5 out of 6 high school boys, one african American gave the same answer, if the man had cornered them or somehow continued to follow them and they feared rape, if Running didn’t get them away, they would resort to violence, beating the Hell out of the “rapist pervert.” They gave equally hostile descriptions, that are over what’s needed for you of how the “pervert” wouldn’t live to rape them!
Not one including my son ever mentioned unless he had a gun or weapon. My son’s 6ft2″ and weighs 182 lbs. He felt it was not pertaining to him because he’s a wide receiver/tight end and could outrun any attacker. His friend Madisen, is just under 6ft7, 300lbs and said in his hilarious gentle Ben demeanor, “If he wanted to try, I’m not running anywhere.!” Saddest thing is we have a “stand your ground” here in Washington. Every boy spoke with pride and cockiness! That’s how 15-17 year old boys are! Fearless! I bought 8 pizza’s, gave up a chocolate cake, chips and lots of 2L bottles of soda for them to enjoy while gaming. It was fun and very grounding. Every child had a hoody also!
If one of these kids’ life was taken at the hands of a man that could have stood down and waited for police, he’d need to take their place. In my opinion he chose to get brutalized when he chose to follow his own Suppositions instead of waiting for the authorities. Didn’t he call the police over 67 times in his short span setting up the neighborhood watch. Sounds a little trigger Happy.
That teenage boy had a right to be there, he had every right to go home undisturbed , regardless of what Mr. Zimmerman was apprised of before Mstr. Martin hit the premises. He was not guilty of anything. I am obviously a tad more sensative than the average blogger, I have a 17 yr old boy, who could care less whats happening in Florida, because at 17 his cares should be, Girls,Friends, summer break, school and college in that order. Now because others think like you did but in reverse, Mr. Zimmermans life is possibly in danger. Nothing was right about that night. If one of my sons friends were lost to such nonsense or him, this world wouldnt be worth participating in. By the way do you agree if Mr. Zimmerman had staid put w/his gun there wouldn’t have been a bashing head on a concrete edge after breaking nose ” If you still try to justify why he couldn’t wait for the police Pray you and those like you see no more tragedy. The next time It could happen to an innocent you love.
No exchange with my boss, he mentioned if it was his daughter e’d expect her to fight! And that is why this wont be solved today.
dd
DD
YES GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, HAD NO CHOICE TO MAKE
if he did not have a gun he would be dead,
the other one was sure to kill him and he proceed to do it,
he bash and bash the head of his victim,
even when the victim call for help, he continue to bash his head,
the victim is lucky to be alive,
Actually this is our last chat. If Zimmerman stayed in the car like 911 said, no injuries no death. That was his CHOICE!. Some think he brought it on himself. I’m one of them!
Perhaps you don’t understand what neighborhood watch does. One thing they don’t do is carry guns. Oh and they observe and report. IT’S CALLED WATCHING!
There is no scientific proof it was Zimmermans voice? The Judge wouldn’t allow it. So we’re guessing. There is proof that the police arrived shortly after the death, which means if George had stayed in HIS car they would have arrived shortly before. That’s a CHOICE!
I didn’t read anything regarding Trayvon dragging Zimmerman out of his car and beating him did you?
We’ll have to wait and see, if he hopes to receive a jurist doctorate law degree, he’ll have to do more than lean on his father.
Community colleges Don’t offer them, BACHELOR’S. Maybe you were unaware. Law degrees are received in Grad school. So far Zimmerman has a HS Diploma. However if you don’t want to admit his condition would be nonexistent had he remained in the car, keep justifying his injuries until you feel better. You believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny as well don’t ya. It’s a CHOICE. By acting within the scope of a volunteer which is what Zimmerman was, all would be fine. No fight… No death.
Zimmerman assumed he was right, and proceeded to put himself in harms way. No proof that Trayvon was a theif. We don’t and didn’t ever hear that. Most people involved in life or death fights don’t take time to do more than fight. Sorry the injuries occurred in a physical altercation, most do when a fight.
This wasn’t a Zen situation. George Zimmerman w/ his gun was in control from start to finish. He just made the mistake that a frightened kid could over power him. He was a coward. One more thing, Where I’m from Gated communities are very nice, not poor. Thieves go where they can steal. No one has to live there. Ready, it’s a CHOICE!
@dd:
Your entire post is discredited by this opening statement. Just because you want a false fact to be true, doesn’t make it so.
@retire05: His whole discourse was discredited by his whole discourse.
Consider this statement by DD:
Did I miss something? Wasn’t GZ going to Target and saw a person, in the dark, in the rain, standing on someone’s lawn, looking in someone’s window, in GZ’s neighborhood? Didn’t he call the police? Didn’t he continue to observe him, waiting for the police to arrive? TM had gone home(Father house) and then came back in the dark and hit GZ, and pounded him onto the concrete. TM got shot. If TM had not been out in the dark, in the rain, looking in someone’s house, would he be dead? What did I miss?
for anyone that bothers or cares the definition of discourse is to converses or argue.
“…waiting for the police to arrive? TM had gone home(Father house) and then came back in the dark and hit GZ, and pounded him onto the concrete. TM got shot. If TM had not been out in the dark, in the rain, looking in someone’s house, would he be dead? What did I miss?”
Dude or dudette- GZ got out of the car so No he did not wait! – there’d be no head bashing or fatal shooting if he stayed where he was in the car. You missed that. We don’t know what TM really did it was per GZ/ whose facts contradicted .on a regular basis. Like a liar-not from another witness. Just George and his Gun. You missed this.
I can’t believe I wrote you, but think of what a moron this GZ is. In his own neighborhood he shot a fellow neighbor because he thought he looked like a potential intruder. (Actually he shot a neighbor because he mistook him to be a bad guy, followed him against the rules of his volunteer position, and the 911 Authorities and after victimizing this neighbor killed him when the neighbor fought back).At some point in time you might think it all through and realize he shot a neighbors kid because he feared he wasn’t a neighbor. We are suppose to go by what GZ reported. The only witness who assumed another resident was a thief, because he was looking in a window? You’re choosing to miss this. Or that he was black wearing a hoody, like …lets criminally profile shall we… You missed this!
By the way why was he looking? Voyeurism, peeping Tom? Definitely against the law, but not applicable here. If it was guess what the police are in route to handle anything of this sort. Ive checked FL. rules, there is no law stating being black(White or plaid) and looking into a window is anything more than looking through a window. Time of day, relevance to be determined by authorized authorities. You missed this.
To you, does it really matter, Zimmerman chose not to follow what he was advised to do, by both the legal authority and the neighborhood watch program.
As a result he was injured and killed a black kid doing what he damned well pleased walking through his own neighborhood or the neighbor hood he was authorized to be in., (no law against looking, but there’s no real witness just the one who pulled the trigger) Maybe you missed this- his neighborhood, the gated one that had a history of break ins. His TM’s home as well. How are you expected to act in your neighbor hood? Is it in black and white? Do you get to die as a result of some HERO exercising his right to be wrong!
Sad part I think the news reported 1/5 of the tenants were Black. I may be off on the %. Well for their mortgage payments and hard work they now can include possible loss of life for being Black or fitting a profile. Amazing. Since they were victims of the crimes in their neighborhood as well. Still think its not biased. How about idiot biased? Have a good day. Thanks for sharing your views.
I hate insomnia, but you all give me something to do…
Did you ever hear of GZ sayingy he introduced himself as the neighborhood watch Captain,
Are you lost???? Can I give you any directions? Yah we all missed this.
I appreciate your opinion, prove my statement wrong. Last time I checked, being in a car w/a gun was a hell of a lot safer than being a self righteous, misinformed superman want-to-be confronting an unknown threat. Against legal authority, and volunteer Authority. Actually driving away was the safest. His injuries didn’t happen in the car.
His choice to engage, be out of the vehicle, not follow legal advice and confront someone.
I appreciate your opinion, prove my statement wrong. Last time I checked, being in a car w/a gun was a hell of a lot safer than being a self righteous, misinformed superman want-to-be confronting an unknown threat. Against legal authority, and volunteer Authority. Actually driving away was the safest. His injuries didn’t happen in the car! Did you miss this?
His choice to engage by getting out of the vehicle, against legal advice and confront someone who had a right to be there as well as him was inappropriate and bordering vigilantism.
If you muttered he didn’t know? My point is Proven. If you think he had a right to defend himself, my point is proven. Zimmerman stalked this kid, like prey. No confrontation with the police present. Anything that occurred to Zimmerman as a result of him being inpatient and not waiting is his own fault. PROCESSES EXIST FOR A REASON.
Just observe what nonsense happens now.
dd
you don’t know if he would be alive, you are just living in the: IF, WHAT IF, MAYBE,
MOST LIKELY, LIKELY SO, JUST LIKE THE SHARPTON AND FOLLOWERS WHO BLAME
THE MAN WHO SUFFER THE PAIN ENOUGH TO THINK HE WAS GOING TO PASS OUT, AND THE OTHER WOULD SO EASY TAKE HIS GUN AND LIKE HE TOLD HIM KILL, BECAUSE GEORGE ZIMMERMAN
HE WAS IN HIS WAY, NOT TO GO HOME, BUT FOR DOING WHAT?
@dd:
I’ve read comments by a lot of uninformed nitwits, but congratulations, dd, you have won the prize for Uninformed Nitwit of the Year.
Would you care to comment on Hoang Nguyen, Antonio Santiago or any of the other people needlessly murdered by 17 year old black thugs? Or are you just here to trump up a race case a la your leader, Al Sharpton?
@dd:
Let’s see if you’re smarter than your 19 year old high school junior namesake; explain how Zimmerman was guilty of the crime of “stalking” by quoting Florida stalking laws.
@dd: #17 Dude or dudette:
You didn’t mention that the role of a neighborhood watch was to remain in his car. In fact, I’ll bet many Neighborhood Watch’s are never in a car (while Neighborhood watching) You do agree that TM was on foot don’t you? Wouldn’t you think the easiest way to observe someone on foot is to be on foot yourself. Had he remained in the car, he would have had to have driven onto the sidewalk to keep him under observation. Wouldn’t he? GZ had no limitation to his maneuverability, in or out of car, to keep him under observation. Had the thug not have hit him, he would not be dead.
At least you seem to have a sense of humor. So, based on that statement, I’m going to assume that if your wife were home alone, after dark, in the rain some guy in a hoodie were looking in her window, you would see nothing suspicious in that and would not have her call the police because he ‘might be a neighbor’ just out for an evening walk, in the rain. And you certainly would not want to keep that person in sight until the police arrived. And of course, you’re missing the point that this person was ‘not a resident’ of the neighborhood and had never been seen by the Neighborhood Watch in that community before. Keep your sense of humor DD (I assume that’s for DuDette).
Not as humorous as you think. Not applicable, but my daughter knows what to do! Funny, It was to protect her against any dumb guy that wanted to date her! So We put her in KungFu when she was 4, and the first thing she was taught is to tell the opposer with her hands up- “I don’t want any trouble.” I’m going to Assume now its because she has enough training to do bodily harm to them…and in all fairness if they proceed she wouldn’t be the aggressor. 11 years experience, she can flip and kick her 17 year old, 6ft 2 bro’s butt.
for you, no law against following, the local sherrif’s department and police, advise these Neighborhood Watch to act as the eyes and ears for your neighbors and the Sheriff’s Office by reporting suspicious activity. Citizens are encouraged to call law enforcement when they see suspicious activity in their neighborhood, to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.
The confrontation and / or apprehension of any suspicious person should be left to law enforcement officers.
Once George reported the suspicious activity, as neighborhood watch, his part was done. He went above and beyond his “call of duty” And yes after being told to cease he continued. His prob. Like my daughter him having a Gun, was back up enough in not wanting any trouble. If Trayvon had jumped him on that phone call we’d have proof. Instead we have a dead kid. And identifying a neighbor isnt his job, just reporting suspicious activity.
Curious once GZ reported activity, he’s no longer needed. Not needed to track the person, give additional developing data, or continue to witness a crime. The real police take over. Guess he forgot.
Whoah. I only follow a carpenter that died for my sins. He would have maintained love all of them! The incorrect neighborhood watch guy and the cocky black kid that was heading home.
The people I grew up around would have probably shot Zimmerman first because he looked like a Mexican. Shoot first ask questions later. They are still morons. That legally carry guns. Big Texas Guns. Not these street thugs I can only assume you mean. Morons come in all colors shapes and sizes.
This was available on a Florida’s website- Neighborhood Watch asks you to act as the eyes and ears for your neighbors and the Sheriff’s Office by reporting suspicious activity. Citizens are encouraged to call law enforcement when they see suspicious activity in their neighborhood, to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.
The confrontation and / or apprehension of any suspicious person should be left to law enforcement officers. However, the exchange of information between citizens and law enforcement officers is a vital link in effective crime prevention.
He made his report, the authorities were on the way. Why not pat your self on the back for a job well done?
dd
good for giving your daughter the tools to defend herself,
that is very smart to have done it from very young,
okay, now get off GEORGE ZIMMERMAN’S BACK,
HE IS INNOCENT AND DECLARE INNOCENT, HE WAS LUCKY TO HAVE HIS GUN,
SO TO STILL BE ALIVE,
AND HE HAD THE RIGHT TO CHECK WHERE TRAYVON WHERE, BECAUSE HE WAS ASK TO KEEP AN EYE ON HIM AND HIS WHERE ABOUT SO TO TELL THE POLICE,
HE WAS THE LEGITTIMITE GUARDIAN OF THAT COMMUNITY TO PREVENT BREAK IN, AND ATTACK,
WHAT ELSE CAN WE SAY,
You still don’t get it do you. We are actually chatting on a site that calls a witness in a decade defining trial retarded. She come’s from a different culture. Maybe we are a lot special ourselves.
I thought from your writing style you may have spoken english as a second language so I was nice, given possible translation and being basic!
I’m not on Zimmermans back. I’m embarrassed for him. Some nut will probably feel justified in shooting him! He wasn’t innocent. He did it. He chose to follow an innocent individual hoping for something to occur. And caused enough fear in the person he was following the occurrance, of his own assault and the death of another.
This kid wasn’t a theif. He probably used as much drugs as george. He was an authorized guest. Pay attention. That law allowed Zimmerman to act on his own fears when his initial need to pursue backfired. How convenient.
Did you know if Trayvon felt his life was in danger and Shot Zimmerman the agressor with a registered gun, he’d be in jail. WAKE Up , apparently you don’t agree that we’re not so open w/ a Black President, we can feel sorry for someone that bites off more than he could chew. But if Trayvonne had shot w/ his gun(not actual) he would have been an “innocent” black guy in jail.
As the parent of a teenage boy, I can’t justify a paranoid self important volunteer for shooting ANYONE , male female, asian ,white or plaid based on his misinterpretation of what the Neighborhood watch program intends to accomplish which is keeping our neighborhood safe. And God why would someone who bought a gun to protect himself from a dog, think he is ok to shoot an individual, a human, (actually shooting a dog sucks as an option as well)
We don’t have neighborhood watch in the community I live in. We have a very well paid Security staff. They carry guns. We don’t have an abundance of crime. Maybe I’m clueless about what our laws cover. I looked up whats covered by neighborhood watch programs prior to speaking to you. Just an option.
dd
okay you cannot move,
but I tried to make you understand,
@dd:
Pleeeeeze, you have already embarrassed yourself enough. Now it is just becoming painful to watch you continue. Anyone who seems to have so few of the actual facts should hang their head in shame thinking you have any authority to speak on this case.
I’m tired, and not sleeping at night. Chatting w/ you all has been an option to avoid the heat, I’ve never been tired enough to justify a nasty black and white situation. Not races, print.
I will be home next week, sleep and not care what your opinion is. Because it can’t bring back the boy, or straighten out what was done by GZ. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty right, you forgot the boy- You don’t know what transpired prior to the fight. Guess he’s innocent as well.
Insufficient evidence or witnesses means your innocent? We’ll have to wait and see. Karma is a …!
I’m just happy not to have this in my life. Sorry its in theirs, but not mine.
No one has authority here. Its all opinion, everyone has one! Like belly buttons. You’re alive to give it.
Best wishes. It’s amazing what you can get away w/ on line.
dd
things happen and there is nothing we can do about it,
we cannot change the past ,
take care
@dd: #25 DuDette,
re-read this sentence:” Citizens are encouraged to call law enforcement when they see suspicious activity in their neighborhood, to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.” then this part: ” to identify themselves, and to furnish whatever information is available.”
I guess I missed the part about, call, identify and get the hell out of there while the thug proceeds to break into the house. No where in those directions does it say to not keep the person in sight if possible so that the police will know where he is. In fact, it says “give them whatever information is available”. No where does it say that when a MMA guy slugs you, that you should just lay down and die.
You’ve quoted that thing about the duties of a Neighborhood Watch several times and NOT ONE SINGLE TIME have you pointed out where GZ did anything that was not on that list of things for him to do.
When and who told him:” And yes after being told to cease he continued.”. Who gave him an order? Who had the Authority to give him an order? No one did.
But you really make the case for GZ when you said your little 11 yr old could kick her larger brother’s butt. So you will concede that someone trained in MMA such as TM was could be a danger to GZ? correct? When TM got to “his father house” why didn’t he stay there? No, he wanted to demonstrate a little MMA to that little Hispanic guy. Didn’t work out well for him. Do you think your 17 year old son has the right to defend himself against a KungFu trained artist, regardless of age, or is he required to take the butt kicking and ‘like it’ ? Yep, DuDette, you’re quite humorous.
@dd:#27 DuDette, in the very same comment where you put down someone for referring to a retarded person as ‘retarded’, you then refer to some persons as being ” plaid”
you said: “for shooting ANYONE , male female, asian ,white or plaid ” . Will you elaborate on the ‘plaid’ persons? What colors are included in the plaid pattern? Are you ‘plaid’? Do you know an actual person that is ‘plaid’? Do you consider that an insult or a compliment? Do you consider the use of the term ‘retarded’ as appropriate? Dictionary.com only says it refers to someone with retardation. They don’t say that describing someone as what they are, is disparaging. That would be like saying that to describe a black person as black is disparaging. Are these ‘plaid’ persons you know all from the same country originally, or are they kinda ‘worldwide’? Are they becoming more plentiful, or dying out?
Redteam
hi,
plaid’ I have a couple of plaid skirts in real wool from SCOTLAND,
THEY MAKE AND WEAR THE PLAID OF MULTIPLE DESIGNS OF LINES OF CHOICE COLORS WHICH SOME PATTERNS IDENTIFIE THEIR GENETIC LINE, MY AUNT USE TO DRESS ME WITH THE SCOTTISH STYLE WHICH I ALWAYS LOVED TO WEAR, I also learned the SCOTTISH dance of the swords,
PLAID IS MANY LINE OF MANY COLORS, BEAUTIFUL HAND MADE BY THE ARTISANS,
BYE
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, I also have some plaids, mostly shirts, but I was poking DuDette for referring to people as ‘plaid’. Seems as if he/she/it was trying to insult the plaid race of people by lumping them in as just ‘generic’. Well, plaid people have feelings too.
Redteam
yes I understood your comment, it reminded me of my skirts,
but I COULD NOT FIGURE HER TALKING OF PLAID PEOPLE,
WHAT DID SHE MEANT AS PLAID PEOPLE, I never heard of some people being plaid, is it a new thing?
bye
@ilovebeeswarzone: Bees, what she did by using the word ‘plaid’ was an attempt to insult ‘generic’ people rather than a specific race which she didn’t want to name. People have generally used other words, such as “I don’t care what color they are; black, white, yellow, purple, green, etc” When you don’t want to name the ‘race or color’ the habit is to insert a word that everyone will interpret as generic, or ‘everybody’. plaid is new in this usage, but it works.
Redteam,
she was addressing me as retarded,
that’s okay
bye
youre both fun and wrong. Sort of, Plaids have awesome varying color combinations that make them beautiful., a plaid race in this comment was to skip giving 50 races that make up a person. Hardly Generic. It doesn’t dismiss that the combination is just as beautiful, but you don’t have to have a racial breakdown for the concept to be understood. Or do you.
Retarded?-I have yet to refer to anyone as such. the website you are writing on calls the witness retarded. I’m no longer tired but awake, and not amused I bothered. Some ya-hoo commented on neighborhood watch- interpret as you please- they dont encourage a gun- not even in Texas… and none suggest engaging…thats for trained professionals.
Bee- person- neighborhood watch is never the safety authority in charge.
just clarifying in case you choose to join. Your a tool to aid the safety in your neighborhood.
adios
@dd: DuDette, so you don’t understand what the word ‘generic’ means?