The following video offers a bit more context than the video clip that’s gone viral:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Uj1cV97XQ[/youtube]
At least in this clip you can see a bit of what was going on prior to the police using oc sprays to try and disperse the students.
So what other alternative recourse should the UC police have taken? The students were certainly given fair warning.
Charles J. Kelly, a former Baltimore Police Department lieutenant who wrote the department’s use of force guidelines, said pepper spray is a “compliance tool” that can be used on subjects who do not resist, and is preferable to simply lifting protesters.
“When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them,” Kelly said. “Bodies don’t have handles on them.”
After reviewing the video, Kelly said he observed at least two cases of “active resistance” from protesters. In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques.
“What I’m looking at is fairly standard police procedure,” Kelly said.
What I find to be ridiculous is any comparison of “brave” students and supporters of the Occupy movements to brave protesters of the so-called “Arab Spring” uprisings; and also to how those in authority deal with the protests. I bet Syrians and Iranians would have much preferred OC sprays to what they’ve been experiencing at the hands of their government’s police and military.
Did the students have a more preferable means of being forcefully removed than what they experienced?
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
hummm… admission of guilt from a desperately backtracking chancellor?
oh my… contrary to the belief of some, it seems that the campus police were following the UC Davis Chancellor’s emergency protocol procedures after all. Protocol is good… except when it isn’t.
???
Maybe that was the thrust of the UC Prez’s pow wow with the quivering-in-their-Birkenstocks Chancellors yesterday.
And, as anarchists will do, the tents are reappearing. Gee… surprise surprise.
More on the tents, and how fast they got back up at CNS News. And, of course, the cowering PC crowd at the university staff is now terrified of the mob rule. Hey, not good for future enrollment and money, ya know. So it’s another “let’s let ’em camp” bit… until, of course, that becomes another rat and feces infested wasteland when they don’t get tired of camping and the welcome mat is withdrawn downline..
Hey… UC Davis… it’s all yours. Have at it. Whatever trash pile mounts up after this, you asked for it. But now that your campus police have done your bidding, via your own established “protocol” and regulations, and you’ve stabbed them in the back, you’d better pay them more for your disloyalty. Oh wait – that’ll increase tuition even more than these added security costs are already doing!
mata,
Well, you win on the perseverance front. I am going to enjoy the long weekend with my family. Way to many distortions and bizarre continually irrelevant points in your posts to bother with, but if anyone really wants to they can read what I have actually written and figure it out themselves.
I told you why I didn’t provide the link. I wanted to fleece you of some easy money. Since you ruined that by refusing to bet here it is.
http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/coordrev/ucpolicies/documents/policepol_adminproc.pdf
Again Happy Thanksgiving
@Tony Duncan: Interesting. Are you a teacher at the University of California…? Or just a student? It’s no wonder you so blindly keep repeating the activist mantras like a broken record!
I think Mata wiped the floor with you.
Oh, my. Pepper-Spray Cops Placed on Leave
But, being that the two lefty sympathizers with the anarchists hate police officers…undue pressure will be brought down on them, even though they were following fairly standard police procedures.
This is what is known as ‘active measures’….
Cao
hi,
they are playing the same game as OBAMA,
that is swiching the blame to the LAW OFFICERS.
AFTER SHE CALLED THEM FOR AN URGENT MATTER BECAUSE THERE WHERE SUSPICION THAT THE OTHER OWLS WHERE AMONG THE STUDENTS,
no wander the POLICE USED THE PEPPER SPRAY ON THEM
they act exactly like the owls, not like students protesting tuition at all,
bye
Keeping in mind that none of us are privy to what the Chancellor conveyed to the UC Davis police chief as action (she changes her story daily…), the UC Davis BMCDB (Biochemistry, Molecular, and Development Biology) has a blog with a more in depth account of the events. And this is from some who, of course, criticize the pepper spray incident. They, however, tend to hold the chancellor’s feet to the fire on this.
But the events, as constructed from several eyewitnesses paint a completely different story than what you see via edited video from one of the two circles of protesters, amateur vid types and observers. Emphasis is added by me.
All is never as simple as blind supporters of anarchy like to make it. Since these infestants cannot control their own radical and violent elements, there was no way for police to identify who is and is not about to become violent in either of the circles. Remember the “direct, indirect, veiled or conditional” description from the US Davis procedures and manuals above?
Then you can add the Chancellor’s own admission – verbatim – that ““Technically speaking, the police followed protocol…” Considering she knows what her request was, and the events as outlined above, I can’t see where anyone can say, with certainty, that no threat existed from all of those present, or their strategic position entrapping the police.
The campus police should not be taking the heat for this. Nor should the uncooperative protesters be given a free pass.
Amen to THAT!
MATA there is no one like you to be able to find the truth hidden underneath layers
after layers of hidden actions which don’t surface in a situation like this one.
YOU’RE clients must feel spoiled and lucky to have a lawyer such as you,
bye
Someone showed me this yesterday. here is someone who trained thousands and actually developed pepper spray
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/11/29/pepper_spray_creator_decries_use_of.
of course it is from Democracy Now, so therefore it is a priori wrong.
I am glad you posted that description. Again it contradicts none of the facts as I have presented them. You write
“there was no way for police to identify who is and is not about to become violent in either of the circles. Remember the “direct, indirect, veiled or conditional” description from the US Davis procedures and manuals above?
Then you can add the Chancellor’s own admission – verbatim – that ““Technically speaking, the police followed protocol…” Considering she knows what her request was, and the events as outlined above, I can’t see where anyone can say, with certainty, that no threat existed from all of those present, or their strategic position entrapping the police.”
SO it seems to me that you are saying that regardless of the reality, if police believe there is a threat of violence, they are justified in using violence, even though there has been no violence and there are no actual threats. So if it is impossible to rule out the possibility of violence it is legitimate to react as if there is violence.
Tony Duncan
that guy was watching a video, he can give his opinion as a WATCHER OF VIDEO, CONFORTABLY IN HIS CHAIR AT HOME OR OFFICE,
NOT VALID for these time of public REVOLT incited by GOVERNMENT
UNLESS YOU WHERE WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS, and they wont lie about it, because they TOO have children who could have been there, but where not probably due to a good parental supervision.
bye
Arrow
hi,
I WISH YOU A HAPPY NEW YEAR
thought you all might want to know about this
http://news.yahoo.com/california-university-police-faulted-pepper-spraying-221428509.html
Here is the actual report. Pretty much fits with my previous comments last year. (and no I did NOT pay them to tailor their report to my comments)