So, you’re a liberal who protested against President Bush for being an imperial megalomanic out to control the world and wars against all those oppose him. Now that you’re living with President Obama, who now shows he has even overstepped Nixon’s legacy for imperialism, are you out there protesting?
WASHINGTON — President Obama rejected the views of top lawyers at the Pentagon and the Justice Department when he decided that he had the legal authority to continue American military participation in the air war in Libya without Congressional authorization, according to officials familiar with internal administration deliberations.
Jeh C. Johnson, the Pentagon general counsel, and Caroline D. Krass, the acting head of the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, had told the White House that they believed that the United States military’s activities in the NATO-led air war amounted to “hostilities.” Under the War Powers Resolution, that would have required Mr. Obama to terminate or scale back the mission after May 20.
But Mr. Obama decided instead to adopt the legal analysis of several other senior members of his legal team — including the White House counsel, Robert Bauer, and the State Department legal adviser, Harold H. Koh — who argued that the United States military’s activities fell short of “hostilities.” Under that view, Mr. Obama needed no permission from Congress to continue the mission unchanged.
Presidents have the legal authority to override the legal conclusions of the Office of Legal Counsel and to act in a manner that is contrary to its advice, but it is extraordinarily rare for that to happen. Under normal circumstances, the office’s interpretation of the law is legally binding on the executive branch.
His Acting Assistant Attorney General in the Office of Legal Counsel and his top DoD lawyer, both of whom are charged with giving him advice on these kinds of subjects, told him that he must abide by the War Powers Act in regards to Libya.
So what does he do? He went lawyer shopping and found a few that told him what he wanted to hear. That, in some alternative universe, it’s not a war because they aren’t shooting back at us. Nevermind we are dropping bombs, firing missiles, and all that other war making jazz. Naw, it’s not a war.
Guess who else disagreed with our Imperial Overlord?
Other high-level Justice lawyers were also involved in the deliberations, and Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. supported Ms. Krass’s [DoD general counsel] view, officials said.
He directs the DOJ to stop defending the Defense On Marriage Act, he orders the EPA to do an end-around Congress and installs cap & trade via regulations instead, he pushes through a bill that allows the federal government to take over health care, and now he wages war without congressional approval and against the advice of his lawyers.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8[/youtube]
So why is it that those who opposed President Bush’s “power grabs” and protested non-stop doing the same for this man?
I actually agree with John Yoo here, the War Powers Resolution is not constitutional:
The treatment isn’t to force everyone to obey an unconstitutional law, the War Powers Resolution, that is both untrue to the Framers’ original understanding and unsuited to the exigencies of modern war. The New York Times’s [editorialists’] solution is the equivalent of using leeches on a patient with the common cold. The right constitutional answer (as I explain in this morning’s Wall Street Journal) is to toss the empty symbolism of the Resolution and meaningless lawsuits aside and let them fight it out using their own powers — commander-in-chief versus the purse — in the political process.
Every President since that bad resolution was passed has refused to accept the premise of the legislation, which basically says that Congress can dictate to the President the specifics of committing our military to hostilities abroad. Congress has the power of the purse, that is their power in regards to these hostilities, any other powers are unconstitutional. But even though every President has not accepted the Resolution, they have all consulted Congress and stayed within the bounds of the reporting requirements.
Not so with Obama.
An when it was convenient, Obama and his fans would rail against the behavior of Bush on Iraq and Afghanistan, calling his actions unilateral and imperial, even though he DID consult with Congress and the reporting requirements.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNUufdROKTs[/youtube]
A Republican President not consulting Congress as he waged war would be raked over the coals.
Not so now.
The hypocrisy is mind blowing.
Just one of the three major differences between Barack H. Obama’s wars and Bush’s wars:
- Whatever one may think of how the peace has gone, it’s impossible to dispute that George W. Bush won the “major combat operations” phase of both the Afghanistan and Iraq wars. (I argue he also won the peace, as both countries are markedly better off, more democratic, and less a threat to the United States than either was on January 20th, 2001.)
- When George W. went to war, he led from in front; he didn’t try to “lead from behind.” He picked the generals, the strategy, he got out front and forcefully defended them, he promised victory, and he delivered. There is no doubt in anybody’s mind that Afghanistan and Iraq were America’s wars… not NATO’s, not the UN’s, not France’s or Germany’s. And Bush stud up like a man and personally took the political hits as the wars “dragged on” longer than the unrealistic expectations of American voters.
- And again, whatever the merits of Afghanistan and Iraq, and whatever qualms or second-thoughts the Left might have about them now, the indisputable fact remains that Bush got congressional approval for each, as the Constitution requires: A congressional “authorization for the use of military force” has been held to be legally the same as a declaration of war.
As pathetic as the economy is under Obamunism, it’s the president’s national-security policy that most clearly illuminates how incompetent, inattentive, flighty, hysterical, fickle, and in general, unserious his team is. The entire administration of President B.O. is like unto a ditsy blonde in a TV sitcom — think Chrissy Snow in Three’s Company — but without the honesty or heart of gold such farcical characters usually display.
I can only say, once again, thank God for Ronald Reagan; if a dolt of the caliber of Barack Obama had been up against a Brezhnev or Gorbachev, we’d all be drinking vodka and whistling “Polyushko Polye.”
What in hell is wrong with the MSM to let him get away with whatever he wants to do. He has been like this all his life and he is not going to change now. For the life of me I do not see what everyone sees in this man. I hope he is gone soon but I doubt it because they will commit a fraud just like they did last time………….
what do you expect from trash ie. garbage..nothing..Screwed America Again… not even a kiss, and no lubricant..big ears, brainless wonder, muslin terrorist, screwed us again..IMPEACHAMNT time..American..you wil never learn……..
Forget the MSM, they have lost all legitimacy. We must remember they are nothing mow than a state directed media or a propaganda bureau. We must seize the initiative and remember we are an interactive news group and rise to the occasion. We must get better and better, until the public considers the MSM irrelevant. Soon we will be going to rallies, take a video camera. Develop a relationship with the blog, act as a reporter. This is serious business and the sooner we forget the MSM, the sooner the public will discount them. Sight in your cameras and become familiar with them, it is time to become proactive.
To you former military men, look on it as the most important mission of your life.
You will be seeing film from Skook, as the situation heats up and if someone wants to push me around or break my camera, let it happen. Two hundred and fifty pound men are laughable compared to 1300 pounds of horse flesh that can move like a cat. LOL
Get yourselves psyched up my friends, oil up those keyboard and sight in those cameras the dance will be starting soon and we don’t want to be wallflowers.
yes SR, WE WILL RAISE THE BAR,
Don’t celebrate too early; after all Obama wants to give Russia our codes for missile defense. We need to be alert, what he is doing with the other hand.
Fast and Furious; un-authorized war; healthcare, TARP, campaign bundlers jobs etc…enough to impeach this man!
70 (and maybe more) Congressmen agree with you.
To stop Obama from appointing anyone during a recess of Congress, these 70 will, in shifts, keep the Congress in session!
PDF of their letter.
In that letter these 70 are encouraging the Senate to do the same.
Why would one be surprised he ignored the lawyers? After all, isn’t he the smartest most brilliant mind we’ve ever had in the White House. It must be true! That’s how the MSM and the political scum that shills for him portrays him! I couldn’t believe for one moment they would lie to the public about chairman Obama! Just who in the hell does any member of Congress or the public in general think they are in questioning anything his royal assiness does or says? (One caveat here aside from my snideness today. I do believe the War Powers act is unconstitutional. That doesn’t change the fact that at this moment it is the Law of the Land and as such the Clown in chief has to obey it!).
As I said in a comment to Dr. John the other day:
“As amazing as it was to watch Bill Clinton come up with new definitions and/or parse words as to his actions, he is an absolute amateur compared to this lying sack of S…. who is the current inhabitant of the White House!”
This guy doesn’t even try to conceal his complete and utter disdain for the law if it doesn’t suit him. He is in his mind a god or something and certainly feels we mortals are to stupid and beneath him to question his elitist brilliance!
As a few mentioned above. This is about so much more that ignoring the War Powers Act! This is about a man who is against everything this country stands for!
In Alan Caruba’s Warning Signs blog today, there is the following statement.
“When republics begin to ignore their founding documents, they are literally committing suicide and, in Obama’s case, it is an assisted suicide.”
While I agree with him as to the assisted suicide term, the facts are much deeper in this case. We have a President who in openly choosing to ignore our founding documents (something that was there for all to see if a deaf and blind brain dead electorate had bothered to ignore the lies and look!) destroying our country from within! Are We the People going to stop this? I wonder when we numbly march to the polls (those that even bother) and keep electing lying scumballs from both sides who don’t give one damn about our ideals!
joetote, hi, and they do it for money, GADAFI WANT HIS BILLION BACK, THEY HAVE SPEND IT MERRYLY,
SO THEY HAVE a good excuse WHICH is to protect the civiliens,
BUT there is civiliens on both side , so they destroy THE LEADER OF THAT COUNTRY’S SIDE AND
HELP THE REBELS. NOW YOU SEE OTHER FIGHT EXPANDING IN YEMEN, WOOPS THEY NOTICE ALQADA ON THE REBEL SIDE WHEN THE GOVERNMENT IS WITHOUT LEADER, TERRIBLY DISABLE SEND AWAY TO RECUPERATE, MIGHT NEVER SUCCEDE TO RECUP ENOUGH TO COME BACK,
WOOPS, SOMEONE SEND SOME ROCKETS TO TUNISIA SUPPOSIVLY BY ERROR,
and the TUNISIAN GOVERNMENT is realy not happy,
oh no, MORROCO IS HAVING DEMONSTRATION ON THE STREETS,
IS IN IT ENOUGH TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE BEFORE THE MILITARY SO FEW
become surrounded unable to match the crowd closing in,
and then EUROPE STARTING TO REGRET OPENING THEIR DOORS TO THOSE, NOW THEY ARE ORGANISING AMONG OTHER EURO COUNTRY, A MONSTER GATHERING TO PROTEST THEIR MUSLIM
HOW COME WE ELECT THOSE LEADERS WITHOUT VISION OF THE FUTURE WITHIN THEIR COUNTRY ,
WHICH THEY ALLOW DESTRUCTIVE FORCES TO SET FOOT IN AND NOT COMPLY WITH
THE RULES BUT TRY TO CHANGE IT FOREVER, WOOPS IS IN IT WHAT OBAMA SAID
AND GOT ELECTED, NOW WHAT
Nan G, they are late so they better move faster and not even sleep on it,
so to recuperate the lost time,
Michael Barone has found another example of what he calls ”Obama’s gangster government.”
Gee, why can’t we all do this?
Ollie, Ollie, Oxen, Free, Free, free!
The transfer made the UAW very happy. They got lots of money out of the deal.
Nan G, it’s funny that you picked on something that actually bothered me tremendously in the GOP debate, and said by Bachmann. She touted herself as being against TARP in 2008 and using funds for GM. I shook my head in wonder at her baffling revisionist history.
TARP was never legally intended for use for anything BUT financial institutions. GM wasn’t even on the radar for those funds in 2008, and the $17 approx bil that Bush sent on to stay the bankruptcy process did not come from TARP funds. It wasn’t until March in 2009, under Obama and his Treasury, that the funds were illegally taken from TARP funds for the GM takeover.
So how could Bachmann be protesting GM TARP funds in 2008??
I like the woman, but she does need to get her facts in line.
Mata, the really sad fact of your posting is that the liberals, including the MSM, will rake her over the coals for being wrong about what she did, or didn’t, do, but will do nothing to confront the actual people responsible for such unlawful actions by Obama and his admin. It reminds me of the Alinsky tactic of holding their opponents to the standards they set, because sooner or later they will fall from those standards, while those pointing it out have set no standards, and thus, are never held to any (paraphrased, but essentially the point).
I, too, like Bachmann, but she will be under a considerable microscope compared to Romney, who it seems the MSM is championing to be the GOP nominee. That is, until he is the nominee, and then, like McCain, he will become their “enemy”, and everything he has done, or states he will do, will be subjected to intense focus, to be lied about, contradicted, and discussed on sunday shows as “ultra-conservative”.
@MataHarley: In all fairness Mata. Do we know what was talked about behind closed doors? The idea of the auto bailout might have been something that was discussed when TARP was being bandied about.
I am not saying this for sure, but I am just saying that we don’t always know what goes on in those wide open, locked door meetings.
Hugh Hewitt has also weighed in on Obama’s lawyers.
Here’s some of it:
A quote regarding U.S. involvement in Libya, from An Open Letter to House Republicans:
The list of signatories includes Elliott Abrams, Liz Cheney, Eric Edelman, Robert Kagan, William Kristol, Karl Rove, Dan Senor, Paul Wolfowitz, and R. James Woolsey.
Maybe this one should be filed under the heading of Mixed Signals from the Loyal Opposition.
Who, thus far, has considered such a letter both noteworthy and newsworthy?
Keith Olbermann, on the first airing of his new edition of Countdown .
it’s of no use now is it?
Evidently it reflects the current thinking of a number of prominent conservatives. The letter was sent today, June 20.
GREG kind of late is in it.
GREG , there is not much more they can do right now, other than murder him, and for what, look at the devastation the COUNTRY IS NOW, who are those rebels, why do we want to help them, they can come back
and attack the next generation if you allow them to such POWER, BUT OVER THERE IT HAS ALREADY
GROWN BIG WITH EGYPT, the first mistake that escalate and brought the demolition teams to one after one,
so no need to cry over spilled milk, and use the help the rebel cause, they are killers too,
IF I would cry too I would have neutralise both side of weaponry,
to save the civiliens not destroy the country,
they said it was to save the civiliens,
THE 3 WARMONGERS FRANCE BRITAIN OBAMA on LIBYA, NEWS, THEY ARE GETTING DESPERATE, IT DOESN’T GO FAST ENOUGH AS THEY THOUGHT
FRANCE parachute weapons of all sort to help the rebels of course they where the first one to send an ambassador AFTER OBAMA made his request to GADAFY TO GET OUT
at the beginning of the rebellion, AMERICAN SHIPS FIRED AT GADAFI MILITARYS THESE LAST DAYS, AND BRITAIN IS INVOLVE TOO,
ONE OF THEM WENT TO HAGUE TO HAVE DECLARE GADAFI WAR CRIMINAL AND ARRESTED AND COMPLAIN THAT THE NATO are too slow to conclude their project, and now they will send our soldiers on the ground, they say, but there already are units in, some confirm the rebels are help by ALQUADA FORCES.
the 3 stooges are realy stock now, they cannot kill GADAFI, BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE HIS BILLIONS,
THAT WOULD LOOK REALY REALY BAD, NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO HAVE HIM ARRESTED BY THE
LA HAIG INTERNATIONAL COURT. AND i also read that his other Alive son is wanted as ennemi number one,
all over the WORLD, he must be hiding somewhere.
end of my read
Libya: Gaddafi faces final battle as fighting erupts in Tripoli
From Sky News: BREAKING NEWS–5:09am UK, Sunday August 21, 2011–Explosions In Tripoli As Rebels Advance
i HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN THE REBELS TO LEAD A GOVERNMENT,
GADAFI succeeded to keep in fairly peaceful and secure living quality,
the rebels have succeeded to diminish the number of their over grown population
by staging that revolution, but to say they can lead with a group of the new generation engendered
with the demand of their religion to make a lot of babies for their goal of one day conquering the FREE WORLD,
THEY HATE SO MUCH.
look at EGYPT now, it will tell us a lot, and with all they won , did not lessen their hatred to hurt their enemies, look at what has started whith HAMAS attacking ISRAEL, from EGYPT border,
they are testing their new power on ISRAEL,
now they want to stop ASSAD to fight his own revolution, and backed up by the leaders of US, BRITAIN and FRANCE, who started on GADAFI when he requested his money to be returned by the GOLDMAN SASH INVESTORS COMPANY, WHO DECLARED NOT HAVING THE MONEY DU TO BAD DEALS,
AND RIGHT AFTER THAT THE US LEADER START THE WAR IN LIBYA,
SUPPORTED BY FRANCE WHO EVEN FROM THE BEGINNING SEND AN AMBASSADOR TO THE REBELS AND THE UN STARTED THE NATO NO FLYZONE WHICH SWICH TO DEVASTATING THE COUNTRY AND HELPING THE REBELS, THAT IS TELLING,
BUT STARTING A REBELLION AND TAKING THE LEADERSHIP WILL SHOW THEM THAT THIS IS 2 DIFFRENT THINGS, SPECIALY dealing with explosives natured people engendered with hatred for
the FREE WORLD,
now we know they are rushing because NATO want to leave in september, they decided on that limit, already has been prolonged before.
A dictator and known sponsor of terrorist acts against the U.S. may soon be gone, without the loss of thousands of U.S. military lives. Maybe we should try to be a little more positive about this.
The media is suddenly catching up with events in Libya. Tripoli is under rebel control.