The linkages between Barack Obama, Lewis Farrakhan, Jeremiah Wright and Muammar Gaddafi are plentiful. In 1984 Wright paid a visit to Gaddafi and Gaddafi then provided Wright an interest-fee $5,000,000 loan in 1985. Much later Gaddafi declared that Obama is of Muslim descent and is a “blessing to the Muslim world.”
Then there’s this:
Last year, right around the time Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi called Obama “our son,” Obama earmarked $400,000 for two Libyan charities.
(For more on these linkages, go here)
Your tax money went to Gaddafi “charities.”
As the uprisings grew in Libya, Barack Obama assumed his usual deer in the headlights pose:
By late Wednesday only one major Western leader had failed to speak up on Libya: Barack Obama. Before then, the president’s only comment during five days of mounting atrocities was a statement issued in his name by his press secretary late last Friday, which deplored violence that day in three countries: Yemen, Libya and Bahrain. For four subsequent days, the administration’s response to the rapidly escalating bloodshed in Libya consisted of measured and relatively mild statements by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Administration officials explained this weak stance by saying they were worried about U.S. citizens, hundreds of whom were being extracted by ferry Wednesday afternoon. There were fears that the desperate Mr. Gaddafi might attack the Americans or seek to take them hostage. But the presence of thousands of European citizens in Libya did not prevent their government’s leaders from forcefully speaking out and agreeing on sanctions.
Typically, Obama waits for the die to be cast before assuming the safe and “noble” quixotic role. This is gutless but it served him well in Chicago. On the world stage it makes him look impotent and puny. Obama is dominated by his narcissism and it is no substitute for a world plan.
But perhaps there is more to this latest Presidential impotence:
ROSEMONT, Ill. – Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan says Moammar Gadhafi has always been a friend and he won’t distance himself from the Libyan dictator.
Farrakhan spoke Sunday at the Chicago-based organization Saviours’ Day convention.
Farrakhan didn’t talk specifics about the deadly uprisings in Libya, but the 77-year-old said no leader has been loved by 100 percent of his people.
It seems that union leaders give Obama his walking orders and one cannot help but wonder if Wright and Farrakhan have strong input into his foreign policy.
Now Minister Farrakhan, who refers to Gaddafi as “our brother,” has informed us that Islamic uprisings are coming to a town near you:
Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan predicted on Sunday that America faces imminent uprisings that mirror those in the Middle East.
“What you are looking at in Tunisia, in Egypt … Libya, in Bahrain … what you see happening there … you’d better prepare because it will be coming to your door,” Farrakhan said in a booming voice, thousands of followers cheering in his wake.
Farrakhan added “God will send saviours.” Have a look at one of them.
Farrakhan’s association with Gaddafi is reported to have given Gaddafi a opening into the US:
According to reports in 1996 from Libya’s news agency, JANA, Farrakhan and Gadhafi agreed to work together to mobilize “oppressed blacks, Arabs, Muslims and Red Indians” to help reshape U.S. foreign policy.
Gadhafi said that until his alliance with the Nation of Islam, “our confrontation with America was like a fight against a fortress from outside.”
He asserted his alliance with Farrakhan provides him with “a breach to enter into this fortress and confront it.”
Farrakhan’s religious beliefs are interesting:
The keynote address, titled “God will send saviours,” capped a weekend of workshops focused on health, preparing for natural disasters and unidentified flying objects. The Nation of Islam believes in a UFO called “the wheel” or “the Mother Plane.”
Farrakhan has described a 1985 religious experience in which he ascended into a flying saucer and heard the voice of Elijah Muhammad predicting historical events that came to pass.
Early on in the Obama administration Farrakhan was quite enthusiastic about Gaddafi and Libya.
“We are hoping that under President Barack Obama, Libya can come more into the sunlight. The Obama administration can be a great help in this. “
Right now, all that sunlight is coagulating the blood running through the streets.
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Except for liberals being foolish.
Here is the correct link.
http://theredhunter.com/2010/02/the_steady_erosion_of_womens_rights_in_egypt.php
for those who missed it, slavery is sanctioned by the 13th amendment of the u.s. constitution and based on the definition found in the constitution. slavery is very much alive & well in america. so, while some are pointing the finger at other places, don’t leave out america.
u.s. constitution, amendment 13
@lgc65: Were the White people who lynched Blacks and practiced slavery racists? Yes or no.
Igc65, you give many words, but you are thinking not,
what it is realy, this BEAUTIFULL AMERICA IS NOT FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU FOLLOW,
THIS AMERICA HAS GIVEN YOU FREEDOM, AND
THE BLACKS AND WHITES HAVE GIVEN THEIR BLOOD AND LIFE ,ALL THE WAY DOWN
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS NATION,UNTIL STILL TODAY, SO YOU AND THE SAME
CAN COME HERE AND HAVE SOME MORE OF YOU IMMIGRATES HERE TO TRY TO CHANGE THE MIND OF THIS NATION OF THE BRAVEST OF MANY COLORS,
I SUGGEST THAT YOU ALL START TO LISTEN TO ALLEN WEST WORDS OF HOPE NOT HATE,
@lgc65: That’s plain idiotic. You exhibited terminal logorrhea about lack of context for your Jew-hating leader and now you cut Context class?
Shame on you.
@lgc65:
No WMD’s found? Are you this stupid to ignore UN 1441 Resolution banned materials such as Mustard and Sarin gas was found in Iraq along with devlivery systems capable of entering Israel? Are you this stupid to ignore under Bill Clinton’s Admin all the way up to the Invasion of 2003 that various components found by UN Inspectors were directly related to Nuclear Bomb developlment, of which most equipment was ordered to be destroyed now found its way to the hands of Iran where the majority of the Western Society is spoon fed it’s for “power creation only.” Are you this utterly ignorant over the fact that the WMD’s in Iraq were orginaly given by the United States to attack and halt an Iranian invasion of Iraq 30 some years ago and during these decades Ba’athist scientists had been found illegaly producing Mustard Gas (aka Bill Clinton’s airstrikes on Iraq in his Second Term of Office was ment to stop such production).
French forces discovered SCUD systems, where were deemed illegal by UN resoultion, with the intention of being fired on Israel with Mustard gas mutions… I mean I could go on, but I guess the only WMD apparently applied to your logic has to be Nuclear.
Fail Troll is Fail.
Dr John, thank you for your POST, this was quite an experience to be in contact with
Igc65 ‘s frame of mind, unfortunitly there is many more who chose to follow those haters
in AMERICA AND ABROAD, spreading the false doctrine to young vulnerable minds,
therefor continuing the evil propaganda of hate for generations like we see today,
and the things that get my attention, is that she thinks that she kick asses on this group,
with her long diatribe of ignorant false words, where on the contrary she receive
the most EDUCATIVE LESSON IN A SUPER TOLERANT WAY THAT ONLY CONSERVATIVES CAN DELIVER ON THE FACE OF HATE SPEECH,
I CAN SAY AGAIN, I LOVE MY BLOG F.A. WHAT A GROUP OF CLASSY PEOPLE SUPER INTELLIGENT
AND EDUCATED SO MUCH KNOWLEDGE AND SOLIDS CONVICTIONS, CHEER TO YOU ALL
FOR HAVING BEEN SO TOLERANT WHERE IT WAS SO EASY TO CRUSH Igc65
@lgc65 #147:
You don’t have to use the word itself. Another Vet already pointed this out to you in comment #116. You making distinctions/inference about “your people” and “my people” is dividing people along racial lines. You wanting to finger-point blame on the history of white people’s racism as though it’s an inherently genetic trait of whites, unique only to whites and only to the history of whites.
And 147 comments later, you still come back here, after already saying “I’m not going to waste any more time here”…
You’ve said more than just your piece. Your ego is all over the blogosphere defending your racist hero, Farrakhan. Talk about a waste of time. Lol….lol…..lol…..roflmao, as you might put it. lol
There you go again. 😉
No you don’t. You apparently have plenty of time here to waste and continue to waste. And unlike a couple of others here, I don’t mind you posting your comments. They speak for themselves. You can be proud of them but not everyone who reads them is going to come away feeling impressed by you. I actually respected a few of your earlier remarks. I suppose it all degenerated due to the attacks heaped upon you but you should have held your head high above the fray. You didn’t. And now all we have are the lolololol childish, dismissive, insulting going on (and yes, I include myself in the participation of it, now), rather than the intelligent conversation you say you are capable of having.
I have. We all have. What I personally am tired of is the obsessing over it, glossing over the fact that this isn’t a “white people” thing when it comes to brutalities, atrocities, barbarism. It’s a “mankind thing”. How many is Mao responsible for killing? What did the Japanese do at Nanking? The Khmer Rouge? Think Native Americans were peaceful tribes living in harmony with nature and each other? Rapes, pillaging, genocide, mutilations, those are all part of their history. It’s part of the history of all people, all over the globe. It’s in abundance in the Middle East and the Islamic world; it’s there to this day in many parts of Africa. Long before any Europeans intruded upon sub-Saharan Africa, slavery was alive and well there. During the 400 yrs of European slave trading the white merchants were primarily recipients, not the collectors. Yes, blacks enslaving blacks. Blacks selling fellow blacks to foreign merchants. African-American historian Nathan Huggins points out that almost all of the enslavement of blacks was done by Africans; and that these Africans who enslaved other blacks didn’t see them as part of their own race (i.e., tribe). If you weren’t part of their tribe, you were outside their “race”.
Are you blaming the dysfunctions of African nations upon European colonialism?
Unfortunately, the records of ancient intertribal conquests and captures are hazy because Africans at the time kept no written language before the arrival of explorers and traders from the Islamic world and European Christians. But when they showed up, local leaders were already selling them captives. So is slavery a white European invention? Is warfare? Rape? Pillaging? What’s the Islamic world’s excuse?
It’s only a “fact” that the NOI has their belief system on this. If NOI is a religion, then aren’t you acting on faith? I don’t know whether or not white people were here first or if Jesus was black. I’m curious, yes; but I don’t obsess over such notions the way Afrocentrists do. My people is the human race. My tribe is America. I don’t distinguish myself as somehow separate from blacks, whites, yellows, browns, and reds.
This is what I have trouble with: You say no one is controlling your mind. Fine. But then you say it’s truth that controls your mind. From someone on the outside of your perspective, that’s arrogance and delusional. What would you think if someone you disagree with says it, but says it with just as much passion and conviction as you have? Now you may believe what you speak is truth. But you’d have far more credibility and an open ear from those who disagree with you if you just see what you have to offer as your opinion.
wordsmith says, “there’s a difference between having an open mind, and having your head full of holes”. Creep outside of your own skin sometime and listen to what you sound like. Have you ever listened to a religious nut convinced he and he alone speaks and knows “the truth” and backs it up with quotes from his holy text? That’s you, right now. Because the Quran says such and such, it must be true.
Btw, what exactly does the Nation of Islam have in common with mainstream branches of Islam? NOI has a pretty made-up history from what I’ve read (and part of my reading comes from a devout Muslim, defending the Islamic faith).
This might explain why you have invested so much of yourself here, when you keep saying “I’m not going to waste any more time here…lol”. You have a Jesus complex and want to feel like you are being crucified by us so you can feel good about yourself, spreading the good news gospel of the prophet, Farrakhan.
Weather as in global warming, or just metaphorically speaking? 😉
@Mr. Irons: Not to mention the 500 tons of yellowcake and the hundreds and hundreds of barrels of organophosphate (precursors to nerve gas) buried in the desert with everyone in the media falling all over themselves to call it “agricultural.”
That’s exactly what one does with agricultural pesticides- bury them in the desert.
Stupid.
@lgc65 #148:
We were greeted as liberators.
We went in believing there would be wmd. Saddam himself wanted to perpetuate the belief. Even countries who opposed the war did so believing Saddam had wmd. And the case to remove Saddam was more than just the belief that he actually had wmd. It also had to do with capability and intent to acquire. If you look back on the bulk of the speeches, the wmd question was about the “not knowing”- not that we knew for a certainty. And president Bush said that this was the problem. We didn’t know and Saddam refused to come clean and abide by the original cease-fire agreements followed up by 16-17 UNSCRs. He repeatedly deceived and violated and in a post-9/11 world where Saddam had extensive ties to terrorism, the previous administration didn’t want to risk the possibility of terrorists used as proxies to carry out wmd attacks against the U.S.
As president Bush also said, we had to act before the threat became imminent. Not when it becomes so. He never said the threat from Iraq was imminent. For NK, it’s too late. And this is the dilemma we face with Iran, now.
What do you think? Not what Farrakhan thinks. If you claim to not be brainwashed, tell us what you think. (And don’t say, “same as Farrakhan”). Otherwise, you’re just being a parrot and not thinking for yourself.
Saddam has murdered more Muslims than we ever have. The Taliban are the ones killing fellow Muslims. Both made their countries into “poor broke down countries”.
@Wordsmith:
I’ve got to hand it to you, you’ve got more patience than a spider in a web waiting for it’s next meal. As I stated earlier, a “discussion” with Greg or RW is more productive, as they tend to stop commenting on subjects when shown to be wrong, even if they don’t admit it openly.
@johngalt: It has been awhile.
John Galt I generally stop commenting when I know I’m right and further discourse is unnecessary or futile.
Word Once again a voice of wisdom and temperance.
Semper Fi
Opinions do not override facts of situations. Weither you think you’re right or not is fruitless, given the material facts at hand.
@johngalt #162: I simply found time to indulge lgc65 with the attention. Apparently, it’s reciprocal as she is giving us a lot of attention. She must really be ripping her hair out over our not “seeing the light”, acting so distressed about lil ole us to pay us the mind. Thanks for the attention. Your presence really elevates us, here at FA, increasing our stock value. :roll eyes:
@lgc65 #153:
for you who might have missed it, my comment #136:
So prisoners and convicts jailed for crimes are being enslaved by the government. Ok. So what’s your point when every country under God’s green earth sanctions putting criminals behind bars, and then some? I fail to see the significance of your semantics point-making.
@another vet #154:
Question to lgc65: Were the blacks who captured and sold fellow blacks to slave traders, as well as kept slaves themselves, racists? Yes or no. (Hint: Wordsmith #159:
)
@rich wheeler:
You know, she actually did have my ear, early on; but then it all degenerated and I decided to roll around in the mud too. Yippee!
Word Nobody’s perfect and glad you enjoyed it.Keep up the good work!!
@lgc65: You said:
So mentioning slavery and “my people” isn’t dividing along racial lines? THAT isn’t racism??
You said:
First of all lgc, I provided the sources where I retrieved his asinine words so that you could check the context. All you have done is proven that you didn’t read what I wrote, much less check the sources. (more on this later)
Funny how when you are put on the spot to defend your hero’s words, you are unable to. What is the matter? Are you unable to tell us how he thinks Hitler was a “very great man?”
I’ll tell you what, you just point out any of the Farrakhan comments that I quoted and show us the proper context. From what I’ve seen of you, context is something you cling to at your own whim.
You also said, emphasis mine:
Really? Exactly WHERE on this thread have you made ONE valid point?
You further said, emphasis mine:
So what you’re saying is that in “your world,” “intelligent” debate allows you to refuse to read “any information that’s out there about it”???
Wow. Let that sink in.
What lgc65 is saying is that in “her world” if she believes she is right, then she doesn’t have to read information about the topic at hand. If someone has a question about what she is “intelligently” discussing, then she doesn’t have to be afraid NOT to read it.
You said:
Hmm, get out much? The ozone layer “hole” was first talked about in the 1980s.
Okay lgc. I DARE YOU TO DEFEND FARRAKHAN’S WORDS.
Come on, what are you afraid of?
@anticsrocks:
Re:
You further said, emphasis mine:
if i’m attempting to discuss (intelligently) a topic or matter, if i’m wanting to know what’s going on so i can better be able to tell others whether what i looked at had any veracity or not – then i’m not going to be afraid, intimidated or think i’m exercising some intelligence by refusing to read, or at least skim through, any information that’s out there about it. that’s reasonable (in my world.) that’s a sign of balance and intelligent thinking (in my world).
So what you’re saying is that in “your world,” “intelligent” debate allows you to refuse to read “any information that’s out there about it”???
Wow. Let that sink in.
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No, I think she was upset that I refused to go to Farrakhan’s web site to read his garbage.
I would have done so had, over many years, I not been refused any chance (pre-computer age) to get a personal copy of Farrakhan’s Final Call paper.
But even if one had gone to the web site, by her own admission, the entire 4 hours of Farrakhan’s garbage speech was NOT published!
Only excerpts!
So, what was her point?
No way I’m going to listen to his 4 hour rant just to ”get it in context.”
He is insane.
He spouts garbage and his followers eat it all up.
Just think of the fallacies of the ”Al Gore school of man made global warming,” only black.
@anticsrocks: and Wordsmith #166,
It’s the art of calling someone a racist without using the word that way they can say they never called anyone a racist. Typical mindgames but it doesn’t wash.
When someone describes everyone around them as insane, then it is likely that the person making the claim is the insane one or they have been committed. That is the same as calling everyone who disagrees with the poster as “having difficulty with reading comprehension”. Farrakhan, Wright and Gadafi are birds of a feather. My experiences are that you can judge a person by the people they associate with. Gadafi is a terrorist. Wright preaches anarchy. Why shouldn’t we also believe that the statements of Farrakhan mean something other than what he said?
@another vet:
Yeah, you could say that. I tend to gravitate towards the sports blogs when CFB season starts, but I’ve been posting here again for a week or so.
@rich wheeler:
Ok. You call it your way, I’ll call it mine.
@Wordsmith:
I guess sometimes it’s nice to draw someone out into a real conversation to see how they really are. lgc65 has serious issues though.
@johngalt: Actually on that post I was referring to lgc65 not responding. She may have given up on us. I should have been more specific as I’ve read your comments on other threads so I know you’ve been posting on the others.
@lgc65:
I don’t know how I missed that gem.
I don’t know exactly how one can think that this amendment allows slavery in the U.S. The phrase “except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted” is most generally in regards to involuntary servitude and as written, allows for the use of criminals, detained AND convicted of a crime, for labor.
Most states have similar wordings in their own state constitutions, and allow for criminal labor use.
Vermont, known as a commonwealth following the American Revolution, adopted it’s own Constitution in 1777 as a sovereign state, was admitted to the union in 1791, and is known as the first state in the United States, and the first sovereign state, to abolish slavery.
@another vet:
gotcha, lol!
@johngalt: This will be one thread that will stand out for a long time!
@Mr. Irons:
here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/
“CIA’s final report: No WMD found in Iraq ”
that was in 2005. IMO, anything found after this is suspect and could have been planted. if WMD’s were there, surely the CIA would have found them in 2005. if you believe otherwise, be happy about it. i have no more time for this.
@Wordsmith:
YAWN!
@Wordsmith:
yes, wordsmith, the white people who enslaved & lynched were racists. the africans who sold their own people into slavery were not doing what they did because of the color of the skin of those they sold. they did not lynch people because they were black, they did not cut off the penises of other black men and keep them as trophies & charms. no, those men had penises just as big as theirs and therefore, there was no need for them to be obsessed with other black men’s penises. not the same, obviously, for the white men who found the only way they could have a big penis was to cut a black man’s off & keep it up on the fireplace mantel.
and the 13th amendment speaks for itself, no matter what spin you want to put on it. slavery is sanctioned by the constitution, the language used in the amendment is very plain.
Try again with your sources. As early as 1998 under Bill Clinton’s Administration there was proof of Chemical WMD developments and a harden Nuclear Weapons program that was exposed by UN Inspectors. This lead to Bill Clinton issuing a series of Air Strikes on different targets, of which only one was publicly shown to the people which was later found to strike only a vacant factory. Yellowcake is a byproduct of a turning Uranium into a weapons platform, and it wasn’t found in 2005 it was found buried in 1999 and 2003 by different pre-war inspect groups in outlaying Iraqi areas by an International Inspection group connected to the UN. Your beloved MSNBC ignored this little fact.
And you should take what MSNBC says lightly and with a grain of salt, a few members here have already shown and exposed MSNBC has flakey liars and idiots.
And to prove the point of MSNBC idiot actions in practice, they demo that the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing within the same body:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4997808/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/
MSN tries to diminish this event as just a fear of test errors, but the field results from the Marines (from a personal friend I can not name for security reasons) verfified it was Sarin and MSN was quick to drop any proof of WMD’s in Iraq.
Sarin and Mustard Gases are deemed Chemical WMD’s since their banning of use after Cold War (I said WW I by accident). Idiot.
And of course we get a bit of Wiki goodness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin
@anticsrocks:
SMH. reading comprehension, once again. guess i have to spell it out ….. again.
this is from you:
actually, what i said is that if i’m going to attempt to intelligently discuss something i’m NOT going to be afraid to read any information on the topic. that’s what i said, that’s not, unfortunately, what you were able to understand. matter of fact, i don’t even know how you got the BIZARRE interpretation of my words that you did but that’s just seals the deal for me that i can’t even take you seriously.
mr irons, MSNBC may be all of that and more. true. did the CIA ever dispute the information in that article?
and actually, mr irons, MSNBC was only reporting what was in the report that was released by the CIA. it was the CIA itself admitting that they hadn’t found any such weapons.
“In 92 pages posted online Monday evening, Duelfer provides a final look at an investigation that occupied over 1,000 military and civilian translators, weapons specialists and other experts at its peak. His latest addenda conclude a roughly 1,500-page report released last fall.”
Yes, the CIA did dispute what MSN and other media outlets laid claim to. They jumped to radical conclusions because the CIA report detailed the tonnage of Missile systems that infringe on the cease-fire Treaty of the first Gulf War in terms of travel distance that enters into Israel airspace. If you know your history, you would know that Saddam had issued series of SCUD missile attacks on Israel during the first Gulf War. The stockpiles of such systems found, by even international inspectors prior to the war of 2003, is a direct violation of the Gulf Treaty as these systems are intended not to carry conventional explosive payloads but intended to carry MIRV payment systems that were intended for Cold War purposes to deliver maximum field effect of Sarin Gas on a Target or carry a series of tactical nuclear payloads to increase the yield of fallout blanketing an area.
It also does not help that the CIA document lists Sarin stockpiles and Mustard Gas stockpiles found in Iraq piror to the War of 2003, dating back as far as 1994 and the listing of various materials that were not proven to be destroyed nor could be accounted for by inspectors (this translates to as rogue material in logisitics terms, something applied to Black Market trading.)
i try to get out but i keep getting pulled back ….. isn’t that what michael corleone said, wordsmith? yeah, i’m still here but don’t get it twisted, the little bit of time i do waste here is far outweighed by what i do, and have to do, the rest of the day. and no, i’m not here because i have a “jesus complex”and need to feel crucified ………. that’s really another LOL for me.
you all may think/view me as a fanatic but i speak what i speak because of what i believe and because i DO accept that god is actually working something through the very presence of the NOI in america. he is a minister and whether the larger muslim world accepts him & the NOI or not, the very fact that the NOI still is standing is a testament that there is a power backing it that is stronger than all the forces that have come against it over the years and still are doing so today. the CIA & FBI , as they do all over the planet, worked tirelessly in the 60s to disrupt, cause dissension in and destroy all the significant black organizations and seemingly, as of the 1970s were successful in that effort. (those who think this is BS, just read up on COINTELPRO). then min. farrakhan stood up in 1977 to rebuild the NOI and it’s still standing today, basically the only black organization to come back from having been destroyed. so yes, i and many other black people see a divine purpose and reason that the NOI exists.
you and others can think that’s crazy all you like, that’s not going to change our belief or direction. we firmly believe that america was prophesied for destruction because of rebellion to god and we firmly believe that is what is taking place in front of all of our eyes. when you all look around, do you really not see how bad this thing is … for everybody?
i can understand you say you don’t want to “obsess” over the history of white people, but it seems some/many white people don’t have a problem obsessing over the real or alleged ills of other people/nations. some of you can rail on how bad saddam hussein is all day and all night, and year after year but don’t want to “obsess” over your own history on the planet. you can rail on what’s going on in africa but don’t want to “obsess” over the history of white people on the planet.
do you ever think about what it is to live on the other side? those of us who know the truth of white people on the planet but it’s a truth that is lied about in the history books of america, that our children get “brainwashed” with in the schools. then those who know, have to deprogram their children at home with the truth. there is a great divide here. and it’s only getting bigger.
also this, mr. irons:
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/colin-powell-iraq-wmd/2011/02/16/id/386373
Colin Powell Rips CIA Over Sham WMD Source
“Former Secretary of State Colin Powell is demanding answers from the CIA and Pentagon after an Iraqi defector stepped forward to admit that he fabricated claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction in advance of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003….”
Igc65, It’s a good thing for you to feel being drawn here at FA,.
It’s because you are learning something you never knew before,
that is the tolerance of the conservatives.
*If you argue with this poor confused woman any longer its not going to help. She is a member of the black equivalent of the KKK and already has had every claim she has made proven false. Its just feeding into her at this point because if the debate goes on then it prolongs her not having to feel like she is wrong.
Hmm, yes it’s easy to jump to that story when it doesn’t even rely on the CIA documentation that’s been made public. Powell is pissed, in the context of things, that a series of audits in the report has been made and most of the info I have pointed out about is not connected to this fraud of an Iraqi Officer in relations to actual Nuclear Weapon caches. There’s the key word, the abuse stems from claims of Nuclear Weapons, not Chemical. You’re grasping at straws.
And we’ve not even gotten into the whole Russian Federation Debacles with Iraq with illicit trading deals with Russian Arms Manufacturers to supply delivery systems that can reach as far as Egypt. Saddam was a threat to the local Theocracies and Oligarchies that rule in the Middle East, because he was seeking to rebuild his military forces while trying to influence Ba’athist ideals in other nations. Most of the riots and protests wracking the Middle East may stem now from Democracy rants under the glasses of Western Culture eyes but the reality is, these Oligarchies of various forms no longer have any external enemy to project as a threat to the People of these nations. Saddam was that threat.
@ilovebeeswarzone: Great point, Bees!
@ilovebees …. i’m not necessarily drawn to FA, as the only thread that drew me here was this one and, as so many have pointed out, that’s only because min. farrakhan’s name was mentioned and misrepresentations about his words were being posted. the site overall holds no interest for me. if you think i’ve learned the “tolerance of conservatives,” that’s your opinion. i’ve also learned that more than one conservative has problems with reading comprehension. that’s something that has stood out to me more than anything else.
@everyone else: open invite to those who are unafraid:
“The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan will be a guest on The Cliff Kelley Show on Thursday, March 10. Show starts at 3PM CST streaming live on Chicago’s WVON 1690AM or http://wvon.com/.
@lgc65:
lgc
Do you also believe in flying saucers? Do you believe that Farrakhan has been transported into space?
@lgc65: If there were no evidence of a WMD program, why did the US sell and ship tons of yellow cake to Canada. I was there and although I did not participate in the sale, I read the intl traffic. I suppose that the Kurds that were gassed by Saddam died of naturla causes. You have no idea what you are talking about. Did you know that the US was paying (and may still be paying) nuclear scientists who had worked on the Iraq nuclear program so they wouldn’t go to Syria or another Arab country?
Non existant yellow cake sold to Canada http://www.bloggernews.net/116579
Randy, I see again the tolerance of AMERICA to pay those scientists to refrain from going to those
dangerous countrys to show their skill in nuclear science,
another country would have just terminate their life like RUSSIA for example, would not have been paying them in no way.
Igc65, reading comprehension not here, but you have to admit that your answers lack of substance,
and relativity between your wording it together!!! That is where do you think the lack comprehension lye?
@lgc65 @178:
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@lgc65 #179:
Breath mint?
Thanks for avoiding.
@lgc65:
Yes they were.
They did not recognize those blacks they sold as belonging to their race, i.e., their tribe. That in essence is racist. Skin pigmentation is a superficial, narrow-minded way of looking at this. Would you call Nazis racists? After all, aren’t Jews “white”, like them? Understand the distinction? Understand there’s no difference?
You think genital mutilations, dismemberment, trophy-keeping of body parts, etc. are exclusive atrocities of white folk? Get real! Severing penises and related forms of desecration of corpses, whether racially motivated or not, is not the invention of white racists. It’s a common practice that can be found throughout man’s history in so many parts of the globe.
What spin did I put on it? What spin are you trying to put on it? Did you even try answering my question? Nope. Thanks for avoiding…
@lgc65 #186:
I and so many other Americans of all stripes INCLUDING blacks also see its purpose and reason for existence: To sow racial division and discord and to be exactly what it purports to hate and fight against.
Do you identify with being an American? Do you care about the future of this country? If you could, would you save it from the “prophesied destruction”? Or would you celebrate?
I really don’t see that as being the case. I grew up through high school and college being fed a heavy does of Howard Zinn/Ward Churchill/Noam Chomsky interpretation of American history. My American lit classes were all about multiculturalist perspectives and Maya Angelou, Toni Morrison, Ralph Ellison. White guilt pervades our Hollywood entertainment and culture- this self-loathing sense of guilt for all America’s atrocities and sins without balancing it out with American exceptionalism.
No, but you apparently do. We’re not blind to it. But you seem to have a very lopsided perspective on it, preferring to hold a magnifying glass up to it; peering so deeply into the microscope to the exclusion of all else that surrounds you.
You do realize that paragraph could just as easily have been scribed by a conservative right-winger, right?
@lgc65 #187:
I think you’re a little behind the Curveball on this one, pulling Google-search articles at random without fully understanding the context and history, as well as the latest developments in the story.
@lgc65 #192:
Thanks. I think Oprah is on at that time and I might have laundry to do; but I’ll keep it in mind.
randy, i don’t know why the US shipped yellow cake, all i do know is that the “first casualty of war is the truth”, therefore, i always keep in mind that the “official” story the public gets may not be the real deal. that’s why i always try to stay open to “the other side of the story,” like those who say or said that it’s a fabrication that saddam hussein gassed his own people or gassed the kurds:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/wanniski/wanniski89.html
this is from a “memo” jude wanniski sent to the new york times in 2005:
wordsmith, you are correct that there was a lot that i did (and am going to ) avoid in your posts. you’re correct. as far as the “racist” thing, no, i will never say those blacks who sold other blacks into slavery were “racist.” as many of you noted in here, i don’t go around tossing that word around willy-nilly as has been pointed out, i’m not even the first person in here who used the word, nor have i wasted you all’s time by running around in here yelling “you all are racists.” “this is racism.” i’m surprised that’s not appreciated as so many white people get upset whenever black people protest over something they find to be racist; or think it’s absurd that people say it’s “racism” the way barack obama is being treated by some, like the tea party. i’ve tried to make points in other ways but that’s not appreciated or understood either. fine.
as far as the penis thing …. sorry, but i gotta do it …… LOL. there’s a larger point about white male slave owners in america chopping off the penises of black men who were enslaved but if you really want to know about it, read “the isis papers” by dr. francis cress welsing.
regarding the destruction of america, the real question is if you and other white people could do what it takes to save america, would you. asking that question to me and other people who are, whether good or bad, students of scripture is like asking us if we had been alive & in sodom & gomorrah, would we have tried to save it or rejoiced over its destruction. if “america” would turn from the ways that are the cause or reason that a divine power is set to destroy it, i would rejoice over that but that doesn’t appear to be happening. “america” has done good in the world but also has done some very terrible things as well. morals are just about gone and i hope we all can reason & say that, if there is a god whose standard is laid out in the torah, bible & quran, america is #1 at sending (through TV, music, entertainment & hollywood) the very opposite of those standards all over the earth. if there is a god, that god most certainly is not pleased with that and, according to how that god has operated in scripture, will at some point reduce such a power to rubble & nothingness, or destruction.
so, i’m not happy at what’s going on all around me but i also see that the majority of the people (of all ethnicities & backgrounds) delight in living opposite of what the god of all the book’s of scripture has laid out as standards of conduct. so you see, it’s not up to just me and would “i” save america, if i could. the real question is do the masses of people in america want the country to be saved because the writing is on the wall that the country – as the world has known it – is done. following in the path of england who at one time ruled most of the world but today is barely even considered a “super” power, if they still are.
other than that, thanks for the responses. we both view things differently, obviously, and there’s no point continuing a back & forth.
I have talked to family members of those who had been gassed by Saddam. They did not make it up. The stories are heart breaking. These were not imagined crimes. Why do you think we evacuated over 10,000 Kurds to Guam? I worked with the lawyers who documented the “crimes of the previous regime”. I actually introduced them to the survivors of the Massacre at Dujayl. (This evidence was the incriminating evidence that delivered a guilty verdict in Saddam’s trial.)
Yellow cake is the material that is used to make nuclear weapons. Saddam had stock piled over 500 metric tons. This is a fact. So, this nuclear material was intended for irradiating food to prevent spoilage? I doubt that!
You describe many who post here as being weak in reading comprehension, but then you fail to read their replies and sources. I am glad that is not your problem. Your problem is a failure to pursue a logical discussion without interjecting your personal biases.