What goes through the mind of the lefties when they bring up crap like this? Rep. Chellie Pingree (D-ME):
A good place to start a more civil dialog would be for my Republican colleagues in the House to change the name of the bill they have introduced to repeal health care reform. The bill, titled the ‘Repeal the Job Killing Health Care Law Act,’ was set to come up for a vote this week, but in the wake of Gabby’s shooting, it has been postponed at least until next week.”
~~~“…is it really necessary to put the word ‘killing’ in the title of a major piece of legislation?”
The word killing will now cause people to go insane and mass murder all they see. As will music:
In particular, a pounding metal song used as the soundtrack for the lone video Loughner marked as a favorite on YouTube — one in which an American flag is burned by a hooded man — contains lyrics that reference bodies hitting a floor. The video for the song itself — a 2001 release from the band Drowning Pool titled “Bodies” — features one of the band’s members screaming instructions to what appears to be a mental patient housed in an insane asylum.
“You’re never sure what caused an individual to commit a specific act,” Brad Bushman, a communications and psychology professor at Ohio State University, told the Washington Post’s J. Freedom du Lac. “But I’ve been doing research on violent media for 20 years, and the evidence is that it leads to aggressive behavior. It’s not the only factor that leads to violence, but it’s one of them.”
Movies come next I’m sure. And video games.
Is this the route the left really wants to take? Censorship and restricting freedom of speech?
Really?
All to drum up some political points.
I mean we could point to the rhetoric from their side of the aisle….albeit it’s not as violent as the word ‘killing’ is:
Sigh….
But still they cling:
Well it’s clear from his web postings that he had picked up some of the extreme right positions, such as that our currency is not real currency, etc. You do hear that in the blogosphere on the extreme right.
Lots of us conservatives love the Communist Manifesto too huh? Or think NASA is a big hoax….or that the wars in the Middle East are war crimes? Or that 9-11 was an inside job?
Please.
We CAN name one Communist truther who was in Obama’s inner circle if you want to go there:
So using the above CongressCritter’s indictment of the right maybe we should indict Obama? Not only did he have a Communist truther in his Administration, but he uttered that evil violent rhetoric himself:
** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama: “My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks.”
** Obama: “I will be happy to see the Republicans test whether or not I’m itching for a fight on a whole range of issues. I suspect they will find I am.”
** Obama: “It’s tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers”
** Obama: “We’re going to punish our enemies”
The left really doesn’t want to go there.
There is rhetoric on both sides of the aisle, it’s been there since our founding and it will be there as long as humans are around. The guy was a NUT. As the above video illustrates, there are plenty of nuts on this planet.
But if the left really thinks Conservatives are going to just stay quiet and let them insult us, insinuate blame on us, they have really gone over the edge.
And the end result?
Censorship and restricting freedom of speech.
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Man oh man… the egg shells piling up around that office watercooler are getting to flood stage levels.
Let’s see… gun grab, 1st amendment banning of “symbols” or rhetoric in speech if perceived to be a threat (by whom???)… and now PC working titles of introduced bills. We’re all gonna be issued Obama ballet slippers what with all this tip toe’ing.
Gonna have to start watching British Parliament more for both entertainment, and uncensored debates.
OK, let’s re-cap (opps, that was not a call to violence!).
1. Nutcase lists several politically oriented books as his favorites (books by leading conservatives blamed for inspiring him notably absent).
2. Favorite youtube video involves desecration the flag (what a cleaver disguise for a “right winger”).
3. Nutcase is obsessed with dreaming and mind control.
4. Media is obsessed with quashing conservatives, and liberty.
Therefore, the trigger (opps, that was not a call t violence!) had to be a graphic on a conservative website despite having no proof the nutcase ever actually visited the website.
But. . . it could not possibly be the movie “Inception” which is entirely based on mind control via lucid dreaming. . . because obviously, liberal hollywood would never put the idea of violence in anyone’s head.
You suffer an attack of appendicitis. You go to the hospital and the doctor says
“See? This is why we have to have gun control.”
Never go to a liberal doctor.
Least we forget that Daily Kos and even Move.org (members) had in their past used bulleyes and/or crosshairs on Conservaitve members for the last 11 years in various graphics or ads against Republican/Conservative members. This rank pile of trash from the main media outlets on how groups of people not connected to this bloody and heart breaking event must be sileneced and treated as criminals involved in this shooting screams of Orwellian. The likes of Ed Shultz and Mike Malloy have either pointed out or called out that violence is the only way to silence the growing Right leaning politics and people of this nation, but yet the Media ignores these outbursts while trying to produce false flags of information on Economical/Political Conservatives. This should alone be grounds to jusitify a boycott of the sponsors who advertise for such hateful media productions.
I pray that this horrible event will not be a wedge that will spark a political civil war that could turn bloody. And here I’ve been out cold from a seriously bad infection, just to awaken up to this world of maddness. My luck is great…
@MataHarley: Daisy Mae
Daisy: My signature:
I’m am one of those that D.C. and the media et al call “an ankle biter peasant angry mob moron raaaaaacist troublemaker evilmonger astroturf stupid disruptive rightwingnut Indy hick kkk applicant K street Lobbyist hired, mob, un-American, Nazi-loving, brown-shirt, bitter clings to guns and Bible xenophobic redneck teabagger extremist whacky maverick fire-breathing nut job just want to see you die bigot homophobe nativist Islamophobe mosque basher psychopath nuts whacko fruitloop flat-out crazy paranoid unwashed ignorant subversive unhinged fanatic loon, enemy, coward, captive to my fears don’t think clearly and scared moonbat full of extreme rhetoric and vitriol.”
Pingree is so far to the left of the “California Dreaming” crowd she washed up in Maine . . . where all the squatters “from away” embraced her as one of their own. Upper New England would still be a wonderful place to live if we could rid ourselves of all the leftist parasites which have slithered north in the past 50 or so years.
Rhetoric aside, this is the pinhead who claims domestic partner tax treatment while claiming legal residency in Maine . . . but whose “partner” claims legal residency in the US Virgin Islands to avail himself of certain tax breaks applicable to those who are domiciled there. So – either she is a resident of the V.I. and cannot legally represent Maine, or he is a resident of Maine and cannot claim favorable tax treatment – or they are not qualified for the benefits of “domestic partnership.” Despite this, the squatters re-elected her last November. They also took Barney the banking queen with one of his boyfriends for a vacation at the V.I. estate last summer and, oddly coincidentally, the provisions of Barney’s “Financial Reform” legislation gave his host some very nice loopholes. In other words, this shrew is just another crook, but represents a different branch of the species than the more common types found in Boston, NYC, Chicago & San FranFreakShow.
With any sort of luck, this sort of irrational raving will come back to haunt her on the hustings in 2012.
Curt, you and your associates continue to cherry-pick quotes in an attempt to prove your hypothesis of a lockstep reaction to this episode on the Left, while completely ignoring all the substantial evidence to the contrary. I could see you were getting desperate for new material when you stooped to publishing anonymous reader comments from Politico. There is a vigorous debate, no doubt, but many, if not most, of the mainstream “liberal” publications, the ones that reach the most people, have been quite measured in their responses to this. One reason could be that some of the people writing about politics for these publications, although coming with certain ingrained biases like everyone, don’t feel compelled to stick to a script. You should try doing that yourself sometime.
Feeding your readers self-serving bits of information, while ignoring most of what’s out there, may work on FA, where I suspect many do not take the time to read mainstream or liberal publications, but to someone who does, the distortion is apparent. So, just to shine a little light into the bunker, here is just a small sampling of articles from mostly liberal publications and sites that demonstrate the breadth of opinion and the depth of debate on Left:
The New Republic: The Arizona Shooting is Not Product of Right Wing Rage
The Daily Beast: “Should We Blame Sarah Palin for Gabrielle Gifford’s Shooting?”
The Atlantic: “The Cloudy Logic of “Politcal” Shootings”
Slate: “In Defense of Inflamed Rhetoric”
Slate: “Loughner’s Law Memo to Rep. Bob Brady: Congress can’t legislate civility”
Now, in the interest of fairness, here’s the other side of the coin. This is a snippet from something written by George Packer on his blog at The New Yorker, where he undresses the false-equivalency about political rhetoric you’ve been pushing here. I don’t expect you to agree, but at least take the time to see where others are coming from.
Again Tom tries to defend the indefensible and make Conservatives the villains merely for defending themselves. Your pathetic attempts are almost amusing Tom.
One need only to go to KOS, Huffpo, or Dung to see the insane hatred that is mainstream among the left. These are the people who openly wished for the deaths of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Tony Snowe. In fact, they openly celebrated Snowe’s death as they have other Conservatives. But we are the ones who are hateful and guilty of speweing hateful rhetoric? Riiiiiight.
Leftists like Tom yearn for the days where we would roll over and play dead. Where we didn’t want to seem like bad guys by defending ourselves. They just can’t understand those days are over.
H.R. Tom points out the large majority of liberal and mainstrem media don’t blame conservatives for the shootings.This is the truth.You keep coming back to Daily Kos and Huffpro.Broken record.
Does a Majority of Conservatives think Obama a Muslim,a Communist?Are they birthers? I think not from what I’ve read and seen here at F.A. I hope to God extremists from either side never govern this country. I don’t think they will.
Semper Fi
The left has lost their power in the House and will lose the Senate and possibly the Precedency come 2012. The reason they are losing the debate is the irreparable harm done by the porkulus and obamacare. These are immense failures foisted upon the American public. What does the MSM have now besides malice and cynicism?
I see that the “progressive” website Salon is for sale.lol. Newsweak sold for a buck. The Chicago Cubs are carrying the Chicago Tribune chain. Great deal coming up there. The Chronicle in Frisco is bust. The LA Slimes is in trouble. The NY Slimes borrowed huge amounts of cash from Carlos Slim at 13%. The alpha bit networks are hurting. I could go on for quite a while. The conclusion is that the MSM is doing just great and Americans just love their style of journolism.
@rich wheeler:
Large majority? Really?
Tom points out two or three sites…no, that’s not a large majority.
Truth is, the large majority has, and continues to, carry forth The NarrativeTM.
@JustAl:
JustAl!
You could be arrested under the new rules!
You just used BULLET POINTS!
LOL!
JustKidding.
We are a nation of Western thinking…..Logic, Cause & Effect.
But Western thinking is not the only type of thinking there is.
Islam, for example, rejects the idea of Cause & Effect.
And Islam can NEVER be an instigator of violence…..it can only react with violence IF a Muslim feels that Islam was insulted (or something).
So, this new plot by the Dems to restrict free speech falls right in line with Islamic retaliation for perceived offences.
Of course, worldwide, Muslims are murdering non-Muslims and even those they deem apostates from Islam under this pretense every day.
Oh, Boy!
Won’t it be interesting to have put out the WELCOME mat for that kind of thing here.
AYE I disagree but you can total em up if you’ve got the time.I’m gonna work out.Sunny and 75 in San Clemente.
I read the first story linked-the same for TNR and the Beast. They claim the shooter was a little more right wing than left, that the far left dems aren’t in charge of the dem party or heavily involved, and that it is understandable to be concerned with the right. Spin, spin, spin…
I’ll get the others later.
Monthly vistors (4 month global trend)
Slate: 5.1M
Daily Beast: 3.5MAtlantic: 2.6MNew Republic: 479.3K
We could add the NYTimes and Washington Post in as well, if you’d like. Would that be enough?
I agree completely with a law that makes it illegal to threaten the life of any politician. The problem I have is why does the government feel that their lives are more important than mine. Why is it legal for someone to threaten to kill me? It never happened, but it could.
We hear of people threatening to kill other people all of the time. Too many times they do what they threatened to do. Abusive husbands have killed their wives after threatening to do so, but the police couldn’t do anything because it is legal to threaten a person’s life as long as they are not a Federal politician.
Let’s make it illegal to threaten ANYBODY’S life.
Smorgasbord, we already have laws that would work for that. If there is a documented threat against anyone, including pols, the one threatened can file a restraining order. In which case Loughner would need rifle, scope and sniper skills instead. So what would that accomplish, but change the choice of murder weapon? Not to mention, they could take a cue from terrorists suicide bombers and use vests, cars, etc. What’s next? TSA body scanners at every political event?
Shit happens.
@Tom:
Why don’t you cruise on over the the NY Times and see what Krugman has been squeezing out since Sat afternoon. Once you do that, you’ll realize that you won’t be able to count them in your group.
Also, only a small slice of what has been published regarding this matter by the sites you mention has been in the vein that you’re focused on so you’re not even doing a great job at proving your own point.
Three or four or five pieces out of hundreds and hundreds published does not a majority make.
@HR
Glad you took the time. I realize now that the second and third links are messed up. I guess no one noticed. here the are corrected:
The Daily Beast: “Should We Blame Sarah Palin for Gabrielle Gifford’s Shooting?”
The Atlantic: “The Cloudy Logic of “Politcal” Shootings”
Lost in all the comments so far is the fact that after her office was vandalized after the HealthCare vote, Giffords herself called out the target map and Palin using it, warning of consequences. Now a shooting happened, therefore scrutiny of the surrounding circumstances is going to be a fact of life, no matter if Conservatives think it is fair or not. Both sides have their share of anger and out of line rhetoric, but most folks know where the current and harshest anger and rhetoric today is coming from, and it is from the Right. Most folks know that Mrs. Palin and about every other Republican benefited from that anger, fed that anger and sure didn’t want to see it diminished if it would shift the dialogue to less favorable terms, like a calm and detailed discussion of the issues.
Now it is being reported that a fellow has been arrested for threatening to kill a Democratic Representative, his family and friends over his opposition to tax cuts for the higher income brackets.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/12/AR2011011203983.html
Giffords knows her district and she and her family felt there was a danger in pushing the gun imagery too far and she said so at the time, that’s not a bunch of liberal lame stream media types that declared it, that was her and her father who after the shooting when asked if she had any enemies and watching with alarm the anger, vandalism and threats toward his Daughter, said: “Yeah, the whole Tea Party”
Giffords called out the situation as she saw it, it may be coincidence that she got shot later, but the odds are extremely high against it being coincidental even if true. The media will explore every angle regarding this horrible event, and it will be much like the circus surrounding every tweet Sarah puts on Facebook, big news trumpeted everywhere. She has benefited because of all that free hype and now it won’t shut off simply because Sarah feels like a victim now. The connection between the targeted map, Sarah and Giffords stating when the map was posted that there are consequences for doing that was made way before the fact and by the the person who was in fact later shot in the head.
To threaten to kill a person because he wants to vote against tax cuts sounds like a Right Wing anger problem to me, and I hope we don’t have a pattern developing where those “Second Amendment remedies” are discussed again as a reasonable course of action under any circumstances.
@Mooseburger:
Got a question:
When Eric Cantor’s office was attacked the police were able to figure out who-dune-it, did this sheriff ever figure out who attacked Rep Giffords office?
[Edited to add: Is it irony that both Cantor and Giffords are both Jewish members of Congress?]
Aye, I have seen what Krugman has written. But the other side has been heard from as well. Can the same be said for here, or any other conservative sites? Ever?
You’ve been painting with such a broad brush – Liberals are all blaming Palin – that it’s relatively easy to take it apart. There are many examples of nuanced debate happening. it’s not all as monolithic as you make it sound.
You’re also conflating two different arguments. The argument that Palin and/or the Right are responsible for the shooting is not the same argument as refuting the trendy new assertion that the Left customarily employs a similar inflammatory rhetoric as the Right. I disagree with the first, but certainly not with the second ( as expressed so well by George Packer above). There is a strategy I’m seeing here to use the second argument in response to the first. That’s not fair. A person can be disgusted by Palin’s little target map without assigning her any blame for the shooting. Many were BEFORE the shooting happened. I agree with anyone’s’ right to spew whatever garbage they want to, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it; and I, or anyone else, is free to express that opinion in writing, words, or at the ballot box.
Aye, my point was that the ostensibly “liberal media” has been giving play to both sides to a degree that’s gone unreported here. If you want to nitpick with the numbers, that’s your choice. I think my point is valid. These are sites with large readerships, some quite iconic on the Left. And the articles I linked to are all written by people who are normally associated with the Left.
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@Mooseburger:
Got a question:
When Eric Cantor’s office was attacked the police were able to figure out who-dune-it, did this sheriff ever figure out who attacked Rep Giffords office?
Hey Nan G, We all know about that Sheriff and how some folks don’t care for him or what he says. That’s one reason I never mentioned him in my post above because my comments would be diverted into hatin’ on that Sheriff instead of highlighting the true origin of the Sarah-Giffords-Bullseye consequences discussion that was first brought up by one of the victims herself and then picked up after the shooting by the media and Twitterverse that served Mrs. Palin so well for the last year or better.
That’s one heckuva dodge, not so cleverly masked in babble, Moose.
It’s a simple question Nan G asked. Too tuff for ya?
Oh yeah… a must read is Larry Johnson’s post on NoQuarter about this nonsense. Hilarious. Also well suited for the liberal reading disability intellect with lot’s o’ purdy YouTubes. His final point is the out of the ball park observation:
Think I’ll stand back now, and watch our resident lib/progs figure out how to spin that one….
@Tom:
Again….perhaps you should read what Wheeler wrote and my reply to him.
He indicated that a “large majority of liberal and mainstrem media don’t blame conservatives for the shootings.”
I’ll say again what I said before….considering the sheer volume of what has been written on this topic three or four or five opposing examples does not anywhere near a majority make.
Now, in your other post you state:
Come on now…surely you’re not so thick headed as to believe that all of us march in lock step on this site?
Can you say Ground Zero Mosque? Sure you can.
I have? Really?
Kindly show me where I used this mythical broad brush and where I made it sound “monolithic.”
Nah, I’m not conflating anything. Those are two very different points of debate that are very easily distinguishable from one another.
As to the remainder of your point, I’d like a clarification prior to delving into what you seem to be arguing.
Are you contending that the Left doesn’t “employ[] a similar inflammatory rhetoric as the Right”?
Is that what you’re saying? I just want to be sure.
Truth is….. The one and only Black GOP district Chairman has resigned due to death threats from what HE calls Tea Party members. He had just been elected to his second term. he said “I love the republican Party but do not want to take a bullet for anyone ” http://www.azcentral.com/community/ahwatukee/articles/2011/01/11/20110111gabrielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-resignations.html#ixzz1AqMYTq70
The fight between the Tea Party and the Republican Party could be extremely acrimonious particularly as Obama’s approval rating which is 53% today continues to improve. Tea Party may blame do nothing Repubs. like Boehner for Obama’s bump up.
@MataHarley: If someone threatens my life, I don’t want to have to go through the process of filing a restraint order. Many people have been killed after filing one. If there is proof that they threatened my life, I want them arrested just for saying it, like they do for the politicians. At least the law would make us think about threatening someone before we say it.
Understandable, Smorgasbord. But then, as you said, why only the elected officials? Why are their lives more valuable than ours? It is not an equal application of law, IMHO.
Tom, measuring site hits has been shown to be rather innacurate or even rigged, so I seriously doubt the numbers you posted.
Tom must not have read all the articles he linked to.
A few laughers from the first link:
“The mania of Giffords’s would-be assassin may be slightly more right-wing than left-wing,”
“The left-wing version came to the fore during the 1960s, but it is tiny and almost completely disconnected from Democratic politics. The right-wing version, on the other hand, is drawing ever more tightly into an embrace with putatively respectable Republican politics. ”
“It has become normal for conservatives to hint that they will take up arms if they don’t get their way politically”
“I can see why those concerned about the rise of right-wing hysteria would want to use Loughner as a cautionary tale—even if he wasn’t a product of right-wing rage, they may be thinking, he is an example of what right-wing rage could lead to. Yet they fail to understand that this will appear to conservatives as an attempt to use the emotion of the moment to stigmatize them. The mania of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party must be dealt with on their own terms.”
As for Slate, it is left leaning but hardly the Huffpo, MSNBC, Kos of the web. In other words, moderate yes. Progressive? No.
I would also encourage people to read the comments on the Daily Beast website. It seems their readers are all too eager to blame Palin and Conservatives. So much for the small island of sanity displayed by dem moderates.
I should also mention the only one trying to push equivalency is Tom. He doesn’t understand that us pointing to the crosshairs and bullseyes the left put up isn’t an attempt to say they do it too. It’s to show that their claims of incitement are unfounded and hypocritical. He doesn’t get that becaue as a leftist, it’s what he would do if the situation was reversed (screaming they do it too). He constantly projects his failings onto us and hasn’t the slightest inkling he’s doing so.
Tom doesn’t see that as far as we are concerned, dem moderates aren’t the problem. Liberals and progressives like him are. They now make up the core of the leadership and the heart of the dem party. They are the ones pushing the meme and that is who we are talking about…and who Tom defends.
Ummm Rich, don’t soil your panties over the poll just yet. Do nothing leader like Boehner? This coming from the phony high ranking special forces guy.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/12/ap-poll-shows-obama-approval-at-53/
Hey Johnny Retard, other than his claim of someone making their hand into a gun and “shooting it” at him, where are the “death threats” in the story? Nowhere you moron. Try learning to read.
H.R. Thanks for posting today’s poll.Boehner will provide much fodder for future posts.”phony high ranking special forces guy” WTF?
Sorry Ritch, wrong person on that post. Too many damned Ritch’s around here.