Sunday Funnies

@Hard Right:

I don’t expect you to agree. People in denial usually continue to go deeper into it as you are doing. BTW, I read them. I suggest you re-read them and take a hard look at your behavior.

I did. I suggest you go back and reread the comments….again.

You don’t see any Islamophobic sentiments expressed by commenters in this thread? Or in so many past threads on FA, let alone in the entire conservative blogosphere?

As I posted before, yes I agree there have been some who screeched before any info had come out about who was behind the mosque. I was actually neutral until I started to see that there are definite connections to radicals and they are supporting this mosque. You can latch onto those that are not radicals that support the mosque, but it doesn’t erase that the main drivers are radicals.

The “main drivers are radicals”? And the evidence for this is what exactly? Dubious, tenuous connections? Stretching the associations?

There are no “definite connections” that have anything to do with funding or other tangible support… which is why Lazio is calling for an investigation into the mosque finances. If you have physical proof and documented evidence, you should provide that “proof” to Lazio and save NY some investigative costs. But knowing someone, even having common opinions, is not “proof” of criminal activity.

You have wrongly smeared all those that oppose the mosque as anti-Islamic bigots. Your emotional behavior further supports my conclusion that your position is not based on reason.

Sure I have emotions over the issue; but wtf on your high horse, like an intellectual elitist, acting as if reason and facts are solely on your side while it’s all emotionalism on the opposition side?

Which side is behaving emotionally here:

The opposition to this project is all about emotionalism from those who think this will be a “monument to Mohammed” in Mike’s own words, and who confuse Islam itself for al Qaeda and affiliates.

You are defending religious freedom and the Constitution? There is the ego and elitism I was talking about. Regardless of what you said specifically, I have a decent idea of your values and the possible reasons why you have them.

Religious freedom has limitations. There is nothing wrong with recognizing that.

Of course, if you are speaking of it acting outside of our laws. They can’t have human sacrifices, stoning, decapitation, dismemberment, etal. However there is nothing about this Islamic community center that is outside of our laws. Who’s acting on emotionalism, again? Which side do you suppose wishes they could circumvent property rights?

You however are doing the same thing as liberals when they whine about freedom of speech–even when it isn’t a matter of freedom of speech. This is not an issue of religious freedom. This is about radicals who want America destroyed trying to get a mosque built to celebrate their “conquest”.

That’s emotional speculation and a view I don’t share.

The opposition that’s been engaged in has all but ensured victory for those radicals you so claim to oppose. We’ve made this a win-win situation for the jihadis. If it’s built now, they win because they know so many Americans have the (misguided perception) of what the Islamic Center would represent. If it’s successfully stopped, they still win because they can now point out to the non-radicals that they were right all along in their propaganda claims about the West’s persecution of Muslims.

Daisy Khan was absolutely right that acceptance of this Islamic Center would be a “blow to the extremists”. Because it counters the smears al Qaeda has tried to promulgate against the U.S.

Khan and Rauf have said more things “right” than “wrong”; yet anything positive they say gets dismissed as taqiyya while the conservative Islamophobes focus their all-knowing magnifying glass on a couple of “gotcha” statements to be distorted to fulfill an agenda.

Once more, not all that are involved are radicals, but major players are. You seem content to ignore that so you can tell yourself how morally superior you are to those of us who won’t ignore such facts.

Actually, that says more about you than me. That you somehow are perceiving my opposition to y’all as “moral superiority” as if somehow y’all don’t think your position is “morally superior” to mine. Example:

There are undoubtedly muslims who just want to live freely in the US – but there really is no way to know who they are.

You can trust, Wordsmith – but if you do, you are risking the nation. Personally, I don’t give you the right to risk the future of the country my children and grandchildren will live in. In freedom – I hope. I understand that the result may be perpetual warfare – or at least until the muslims are either defeated or returned to their nations of origin.

Ahhh…gotta love the smug smell of moral superiority.

When I previously mentioned in another thread the funding from extremists you said you had faith in the govt. to track that down. Really? You don’t seem to have much faith in them to do most other things. More irrationality and denial.

So what is it that you know that they do not, HR? Why not forward to the feds your superior information gleened from Geller and company?

Word, I understand you have unfairly been called some names over your stance,

The name-calling’s been tame. Least of my concerns. When have you ever seen me censor anyone’s comment or cry foul for personal insults? Have I ever banned anyone from FA? C’mon, guy….my skin’s tougher than that.

but the cartoon is utterly dishonest and dispicable as is your painting those that are against the mosque as bigots.

When you guys are allowing your side to be spearheaded by someone waving the banner, “Stop the Islamization of America”; when those on your side can’t seem to distinguish the difference between Islam and the global jihad movement, then yeah, maybe I do see an inordinate amount of religious bigotry in all of this. The question is, why can’t you see it?

And why so defensive from you and Mike on the label when in so many comments I’ve so often said “some in the movement”….and have not singled either of you two out as part of the Islamophobia gone wild.

Nowhere have you guys ever called out other commenters when they’ve made Islamophobic comments here. You turn the other way and let it slip by, unchallenged. Distance yourselves from the Islamophobes, and I might give you some credibility on this point.

This is very unlike you. The fact that someone like myself is saying this, someone who has had to work on not flaming certain people out of emotion, should cause you pause.

Not sure why you feel like I’ve been personally attacking you. If I have, I’m sorry because I don’t recall it.

If you still disgaree about who is behind the mosque, fine. Just don’t attack everyone who is against it as bigots. That is the tactic of a leftist and something you yourself have decried.

Ok, if YOU or Mike feel you aren’t bigots, then don’t defend the ones who are bigots. Don’t act as if my slings and arrows are aimed at you two, personally.

Yes, however, I am aiming some of the barbs at the movement you are associating yourselves with.

@Mike’s America:

Do you think it’s Islamophobic to want to know where the funding of this mosque comes from? Especially considering the controversy over funding of other projects Rauf and co. have become involved in?

Funding concerns are fine. But the scrutiny is being driven by an Islamophobic agenda that desperately wants to see what it wants to believe; and only hears what it wishes to hear. Where is evidence of the terrorist funding? Basically, what Mata said.

Do you think it’s Islamophobic to believe that opening a monument to Mohammed at Ground Zero on the 1oth anniversary of 9/11 sends the wrong message to Muslim radicals?

The very premise of your question is flawed.

Opening an Islamic Center- a community center that is open to everyone of all faiths and which will have a memorial to the victims of that day– 2 blocks away from Ground Zero (how many blocks away would be acceptable to you, Mike?), and tolerated by the American people, would be a blow to the global jihad movement, which is at war with the vast majority of Muslims in the world.

Do you think it’s Islamophobic to be concerned about Rauf’s intentions considering how even REAL Muslim moderates like Dr. Jasser think this project is wrong?

There is MUCH more I could say about this, but apparently it is falling on deaf ears (or blind eyeballs).

You mean the, “THIS MOSQUE TO MOHAMMED IS WRONG WRONG WRONG! BEING BUILT IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME!” refrain? 😉

This merry-go-round is of your own creation. Funny how in the last thread you basically said, “forgive me if you’ve already addressed this….”

There’s nothing new here, Mike, that hasn’t already been addressed over and over again and again.

Simply saying that Mata and you have already pronounced the last word on this doesn’t mean you have won the argument. Quite the contrary.

Mata and myself never said it was the “last word”, just another word and viewpoint. Suggest you go back and reread your own comments, since that is what you have pronounced with your repeated, “the bottomline is, this MOSQUE IS WRONG WRONG WRONG”

I notice you failed to answer my question: Am I or Dr. Jasser Islamophobes? The House of Cards you have built collapses if you have to admit that not all the opposition to this mosque is based on Islamophobia.

And where have I ever said ALL the opposition is based on Islamophobia?

There’s that one-size-fits-all mentality you persist in demonstrating. Jasser thinks it’s an unwise locale, as all of us do… including Mata and myself. However the difference between Jasser, Mata and myself and Geller and the Islamophobes is that the latter wages war against all of Islam. We do not, and understand there is a difference between Islam and the global jihad movement.

Re-addressing HR’s comment:

but the cartoon is utterly dishonest and dispicable

That’s how I feel about the cartoon directly under it…yet there it sits published. Wonder why is that?

Oh, that’s right: I’m the one “politicizing” Sunday Funnies.