3500 Acres Of Park Land Along Border Set Aside For Exclusive Use Of Human Traffickers and Drug Smugglers, Declared Off Limits To American Citizens [Reader Post]

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The portion of the border that is now off limits to Americans stretches along 80 miles of the US border and includes a portion of the Buenos Aires National Wildlife Refuge. The closure has been in place since October 2006, the US Fish and Wildlife Service reported when asked about the closure.  They site increased illegal activity by heavily armed illegal alien Mexican nationals as the reason why it is no longer safe for Americans to be in this part of the US.

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu told Fox News that violence against law enforcement officers and U.S. citizens has increased in the past four months, further underscoring the need to keep the 80 miles of border land off-limits to Americans.

The refuge had been adversely affected by the increase in drug smugglers, illegal activity and surveillance, which made it dangerous for Americans to visit.

“The situation in this zone has reached a point where continued public use of the area is not prudent,” said refuge manager Mitch Ellis.

“It’s literally out of control,” said Babeu. “We stood with Senator McCain and literally demanded support for 3,000 soldiers to be deployed to Arizona to get this under control and finally secure our border with Mexico. “

U.S. Fish and Wildlife officials have warned visitors in Arizona to beware of heavily armed drug smugglers and human traffickers.

“We need support from the federal government. It’s their job to secure the border and they haven’t done it,” said Babeu. “In fact, President Obama suspended the construction of the fence and it’s just simply outrageous.”

Signs have been posted warning Americans not to cross into the closed off territory south of Interstate 8. Babeu said the signs are not enough – he said Arizona needs more resources to help scale back the violence caused by the drug cartels.

“We need action. It’s shameful that we, as the most powerful nation on Earth, … can’t even secure our own border and protect our own families.”

Perhaps President Obama can tell us how much of the country he plans to turn over to the drug cartels and human smugglers of Mexico to promote good relations with the corrupt Mexican government and Calderon its president.   Perhaps we can set aside a national East West and North South Interstate Highways so that our citizenry will be safer from the heavily armed Mexican Nationals conducting their crimes in the US.

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Evidently the drug cartels are paying off someone to be able to operate in this manner. They no longer have to dig tunnels to do their dirty work.

I say take the gloves off and let the citizens make up a volunteer army to take on the crap.

Prairie — nailed it … our pols want you to think it’s random … but we need to figure out who is right behind the curtain.

Legalize Pot so it will be cheaper to just buy it from local growers in California and Colorado. Plus, we can tax it and let millions of criminals out of jail for repeated pot offenses.

Obama has ceded part of our nation to aliens.

@Prairie:

I have no doubt that if the govt. doesn’t act to fix this problem and soon, what you suggest will become reality. In fact, I believe there are already plans in the works. American citizens WILL act in their own defense.

We are under attack from enemies BOTH foreign AND domestic.

Draw your own conclusions.

JUST DYNAMITE THE WHOLE AREA.

I just heard there were two guys dressed in BDU’s that are taking shots at the Illegal Aliens with hi-powered rifles. It’s about time. I know the area and that’s where I’m headed. Being a former member of a Special Forces sniper troop I can promise it will be fun. And oh yes, I do have the resources and weaponry complete with night or day optics. We members of the Chiricahua Apache tribe would have no problem dealing with Illegals.

APACHE: hi, wow, I think you should wait a while more, and stay here with us for a while; we will discuss it, among ourself, we want you to be on a safe side; stay here with us a bit more.

Where are all the guys in pickup trucks with gun racks in the rear window? Has DHS emasculated all of them in the Tucson area? I find it incredulous that we are going to stand by with our hands in our pockets and cede our sovereign territory to scofflaws and criminals.

Apparently no one bothered to read the fact that the closure has been in place since 2006 I BLAME BUSH Apache and Prairie are both jokes. Sniper troop hehe. And as for all you who dream and brag about what should or will be done, most people would just laugh right at your face. And Curt shouldn’t you be reporting to the proper authorities about possible vigilantism ? I mean isn’t that against the laws that you swore to uphold ?

APACHE, I have read of the BRAVES APACHES TRIBES; you are part of AMERICA HISTORY BOOK;
on the help you gave to the new familys coming in AMERICA; but It’s the first time i hear the other name , CHIRICAHUA; does it have a meaning? in english?.

JOHN RYAN; take it easy with that.

Nice try on blaming Bush Ryan, but that doesn’t fall within his powers of the Excutive Branch. Land issues and propperty matters of a Federal concern fall within Congress’s powers and the lands were sealed off after the Democratic majority took office. Gotta love the ignorance some show.

OLD TROOPER: we could have a talk with APACHE, and TEMUJIN, the timing is quite important to discuss with thoses braves, bye 🙄

SKOOKUM hi, we need to talk , please come now here

CURT PLEASE we need to discuss something ,now

Mexico is one big battle of drug cartels and the government is involved as well, which is why it goes no place. Most of the drugs are coming through Grijalva’s district–big hmm. Calderon is said to be on the side of the Sinaloa cartel–maybe because they seem to be winning. When the cops, police, and 7 terror organizations are in an all-out war, our best hope would be keep them all on the other side of the border and let them off each other, but–too late–they are all over, even in CA and northern states, growing weed as well as importing it. They are bringing plenty of meth, coke, and heroin through AZ as well. The cartels have also taken over people smuggling which was the last straw and why we have all the kidnappings and nerve-wracking chases through town, wringing a few more coins out of illegals. Really, sometimes the illegals prefer to be deported and call ICE to get rescued. You never hear about that.

AYE CHIUHAHUA: hi, we want to talk here to some braves, bye

“Land issues and property matters of a Federal concern fall within Congress’s powers and the lands were sealed off after the Democratic majority took office.”

Uh, really?

That would be the Department of the Interior, right? Part of the Executive Branch?

If we are talking about the Tucson sector then I-8 intersects I-10 at the 150 mile marker of I-10. Tucson proper is around the 250 mile marker and is at least 50 miles north of the border. This is more than 3500 acres off limits.

You do realize that the leadership of the “Department of Interior” of an officer warranted and vetted apon by Congress and given the President on behalf of Consitution law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution

Read up, bub.

National Lands related to the being of Natural concerns, not security, falls on the Legisative Branch no matter how you try to spin things. The matter of this land being shut down was for Federal Reserve reasons hence the “park” part of it’s annexation and not for security reasons.

APACHE; hi, are you, with us? I ask you a QUESTION before, bye

Okay. The closure has been in place since 2006. Then isn’t it ABOUT FRICKIN’ TIME something was actually DONE about the problem? I doesn’t matter that Bush was in office when it took place. The problem has gotten worse since then and this POS “president” seems determined to not help the people of Arizona or the United States.

So there’s a sign warning AMERICAN CITIZENS and other visitors to avoid this area?

Well here’s another sign that should accompany it.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae277/RAPH6969/W4.jpg

RIDE A PALE HORSE: I like that sign, I hope APACHE is staying with us for a while,I try to get the authors here but it just us around this post along with the others commenters. IT is very frustrating
for everyone to hear that. bye 🙄

As an Arizonan I think there is some confusion here.

First of all, Tucson is a liberal, Democrat stronghold. Don’t be expecting anyone down there to be upset – the Pima sheriff (Tucson’s county) said there isn’t a problem. We don’t need no stinkin’ laws to deal with illegals! I hope no one here is questioning the sheriff’s insight or sanity!!

Secondly, this addresses the closure in 2006:

Swarbrick, the Outdoor Recreations Planner and spokesperson for the Buenos Aires refuge said, “It’s been a long time since I have seen an illegal alien in the refuge.”
Swarbrick added that the refuge indeed used to have problems with drug smugglers when the fencing was only made of barbed wire, but since a 12-foot-high wall was installed in 2006 along the border of the refuge, the area has been quiet.

The closure of 3,500 acres of land in 2006 was mainly for “National Guard and construction workers to patrol the area” without the impediment of the public, said Swarbick. Compared to the 118,000 acres of total area of the refuge, the amount of land closed to the public amounts to only 3 percent of the Buenos Aires Refuge.
(In other words, the fence works! skat)

Thirdly, the desert area now closed is between Tucson and Casa Grande as opposed to Buenos Aires NWR is way south and out in the boondocks. The area closed this week is very close to Casa Grande – quite a populated area – and ,as I understand it, actually extends up towards Phoenix.
I know warnings were also posted at Saguaro National Park – just outside of Tucson. I’m not sure whether that area is still considered unsafe for Americans.

We travel to Tucson from Phoenix several times a year to “cool off”. The problems being discussed are not “2006” problems. This highlights the astronomical increase in lawlessness, by illegals, caused by the feds not securing the border in Arizona. Arizonans are no longer safe in their homes or on the highways in many parts of the state.

AND Hillary is going to sue Arizona for protecting its own borders.

This madness has to end.

I do wish folks could discriminate among sight, site and cite.

I really does hurt the message when you have stop and figure out what the hell is being said.

It isn’t that hard to do.

If you go onto the nps.gov website, Buenos Aires NWR isn’t even listed as a national park service facility. Like it doesn’t exist.

I think we know who is allowing this to happen, and it goes all the way to the top. Mr Soetoro is attempting to get as many ILLEGAL voters into the country by 2012, in order to “throw” any possibility of him losing the election. With 20 million PLUS votes in his favor, he can put another feather in his cap, and maybe a few kickbacks Chicago “thug” style.

Since Apache has disapeared I feel it is my duty to help you in your questions. I am half Chiricahua Apache on my fathers side, and he grew up in Texas. Here is a link to help answer some of your questions on the Apache Nation and our relationship with the Mexicans. As a refence Geronimo was a Chiricahua Apache and the entire US Cavalry coun’t bring him in so that shows you how hard headed we are. lol

http://www.chiricahuaapache.org/

@Skookum: Wise counsel, Skookum. Of course you are correct. It seems that I can feel the rising level of frustration with our government daily, and the border situation is perhaps a symptom of the greater sickness that our nation presently suffers from. The overarching sickness being non-compliance with our constitution. It is beyond my comprehension as to why neither major political party nor the members of our legislature that in fact passed our immigration laws are unwilling to have them fully enforced… Is it not contempt of congress for the executive to just ignore some laws they don’t like and selectively enforce others they do like? Does that not put the executive, at any level, in violation of their oath of office? After all, are we not a nation of laws? The voters are the only ones that can answer these questions. I hope they will answer them correctly in 2010 and 2012.

By the way, Aleric is spot on. Colorado Mangus never had much of an illegal immigration problem from the south either. His illegal immigration problems came from other directions.

A way to help with this problem is to offer your services and shooting expertise to the Pinal County Sheriff’s Dept. The sheriff may turn you down, but he may also deputize you and put you to work. He’s asking for 3000 armed soldiers that he know Obama won’t supply, so he’s going to have to get help from somewhere. The ranchers also need to form their own security force. Would be legal to protect their own private property. The border is not going to be secured without use of force. Might as well start taking on the task sooner rather than later.

ALERIC: hi, I realy appreciate you giving me that precious link to learn more of the braves APACHES tribe, thank you. I was trying to delay his decision, so I could get ALL the AUTHORS,
to come and convinced him to give up this dangerous decision, I fail , so i would like him to get back with us,when he can. bye 🙄

I have to agree Skookum, its one of my best and worst features, hard headedness, not to mention an intense sense of revenge. Most Americans recognize the good and the bad that the past has to offer but nations like Mexico have never even recognized that they tried to eradicate the Apaches for years before white men set foot on the continent. I would say the best thing the Sheriff could do would be to enlist the Apache nation to protect the borders of their home lands.

We have the resources without needing the Federal Government, but they will be afriad to let us exercise that as it will show the rest of the country how unnecesary the Government is in these affairs.

“We have the resources without needing the Federal Government…”

Mexico, as I understand it, has a standing army. I only mention that as a possible point of interest.

Yes, Mexico has a standing army. Many of them are in with the narcoistas, working against both the US and Mexico. Calderon is betting on the narcos, that they can’t be rooted out of the government and police forces. It is truly a grim situation, much like Pakistan where the ISI is fighting against parts of the military. Meanwhile, it’s hazardous territory 30 miles south of Phoenix, a metro area of several million total. Soon we will need an army to defend us. Another cool thing the legislature did was pass a law allowing concealed carry without a permit. Little hint there? or concern that not enough people are armed? (ha ha, the monthly gun show draws thousands and it’s a very patriotic crowd)

More deputies could be needed in every county although possibly not appreciated as much as in Pinal and Maricopa counties. Seems like a lot of our National Guard is in Afghanistan – Iraq. They train for the desert here as the climate is similar. Anyone who can stand The Heat, come on down. (The Heat = over 110 for days on end, no cooler than mid 80’s at night)

Minuteman26; Patter,

The volunteer Arizona Rangers are looking for recruits. They help various Sheriff’s departments.

I wonder how many have considered that the two primary reasons for having a federal government is to protect our borders and to assure that not even the rights of one American be violated, especially by government.

It is the task of the military to protect our borders.

Within it is our duty.

so why the hell isn’t the military there blowing the crap out of the criminal invaders – the illegal aliens?

Why are we pussy footing around the real issue here? America is being invaded by a bunch of brain dead illegal alien Mexicans and who knows what other nationalities and races. We have suffered the Zionists invaders for at least 150 years and now we must suffer invasion by derelict Mexicans just because the US Government doesn’t do its job.

Oh, and by the way, no state or the people that are the state must wait for a declaration of war when under imminent or ongoing attack. It does not depend on Congress – the people may take any action they wish against invasion at any time they want.

See Article I, Section 10, Clause 3 which states: [3] No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay. (My emphasis)

Not only is it our right – it is our duty. We, the whole of the people, are the militia and responsible for protecting ourselves, our families, and these united States.

Skookam – I believe you have a handle on the situation. Already have my sights zeroed. Aleric – Hope you have a chance to even the score. The Apache were/are a noble people. Greg – AH -64 “Apache” attack helos are manufactured in Arizona. Do you know what devastation a gunship loaded with nails and 20mm can cause. The Mexican Army is a joke. chemman – May consider it. Live in S. Texas. Need to make sure my 6 is protected here first. Will work for food, shelter and ammo.

Ed Lewis – The reason the border is not being protected is because the current POTUS doesn’t want it protected. The current administration is hell bent on the destruction of this Republic. If you want the feds to do their job we must rid ourselves of this blend of Communism and Islam that resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Since the feds refuse to protect the southern border, it is left to the border states to provide that security. Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.

SKOOKUM: hi, Very well said, bye

Minuteman26, I knew why the border isn’t protected. My question was a rhetorical one. Obama will not close the border just as the traitor preceding him didn’t.

I wonder just how ignorant people are to not realize (rhetorical also) one cannot fight a war against terrorism (faceless enemies cannot be defeated) with one’s borders wide open to any enemy of America that wishes to enter. Obama, another lackey of the criminal International bankers, is carrying on where the dead head Bush left off, just as their masters wanted.

Obama, certainly an illegal alien himself, and a hate-filled racist (just like his masters), was the correct choice for the bankers to put in the White House. He hates (by his actions) America, just as the Bushes do. But the weirdo crap for brains Obama better watch out. It is possible that those that put him in office will do him just as they did Kennedy, Garfield, Lincoln, and McKinley.

I wish I were of health and quite a few years younger and I would join Apache. Instead, I will have to wait for the invasion and final overthrow of America a lot closer to home (Missouri, North-Central).

ED LEWIS: hi, you would make some sense, on a few words of your comments; BUT, you are discrediting all by spitting your hate of jews who had our back as a peacefull smart people who have to defend their country, just like we do; and you bring the former president up with another hatefull sentence,: IT does’nt fit here with the VIEWS of the conservatives for sure; SO, just so you know that your intent has been discovered, and you’r not one of us. bye

First of all, I do not hate Jews. I hate what they do.

Second, “their” land was stolen from the Palestinians, who are Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

Third, I judge people by their actions, not by the false rhetoric.

Fourth, the record of the Zionists and Jews and so-called Christians that support them is quite clear for those that go to the trouble to research their actions, which are the epitome of evil.

And, fifth, yes, I am more of an American and an Israelite (of the family Levite) than you will ever be.

And, sixth, yes, I hate the former president, his family, the Clintons, and the poor excuse for a man the Zionists put in the white house with a passion not even equaled by the Jews hatred for Jesus Christ and all things Christian.

Wake up. They do not defend their homeland because it isn’t, nor was it ever their “homeland.” 90 to 95 percent of so-called Jews are Ashkenazim Mongols from Asia that took on Judasim (Talmudism) in 745 A.D. Look it up for yourself and quit acting the fool for defending these heathens.

That is not hatred speaking, just the facts being spoken.

ED LEWIS: hi, ISRAEL is the land of the JEWS, and ISRAELIES, are of JEWICH descendants: what you mean is they are not pure descents; realy, in these times we are living; VERY fews are purebred, dont you think?: HILER wanted to make the GERMANS a only pure breed, and HE FAIL.because it was at the cost of killing the others. bye

No, Jews are not the Israelites and in fact have nothing to do with the religion of the Bible. You now have expressed your ignorance but perhaps you will believe the Jewish rabbis. Jews have nothing to do with the scripture and the Holy Bible as you will see.

This is not an uncommon impression and one finds it sometimes among Jews as well as Christians – that Judaism is the religion of the Hebrew Bible. It is, of course, a fallacious impression. Judaism is not the religion of the Bible. – Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser, Judaism and the Christian Predicament. New York : Alfred A. Knopf, 1967, p. 59.

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia totally agrees [on the source of Judaism codified into law (Halaka) in about the 6th Century A.D.]:

“The Jewish religion as it is today traces its descent, without a break, through all the centuries, FROM THE PHARISEES. Their leading ideas and methods found expression in a literature of enormous extent, of which a very great deal is still in existence. The TALMUD is the largest and most important single member of that literature.” – Volume VIII, p. 474 (1942).

The pharisees did not exist until a millennia after Moses began the Bible in about 1450 B.C.
Also, Moses Mendelsohn, a learned Jew, said of that religion that:
“Judaism is not a religion. It is a law, religionized”.
And then there is this about the god Jews refer to:

“Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer — so I wasn’t lying — and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much alive.” Harold Wallace Rosenthal, Administrative Aide to the then Senator Jacob Javits, 1976.

Rabbi Moshe M. Maggal, President, National Jewish Information Service wrote: “. . . you will notice the great difference between the Jewish and Christian religions. But these are not all. We consider the two religions so different that one excludes the other. . . we emphasized that there is no such thing as a Judeo-Christian religion. . . . There is not any similarity between the two concepts” (Letter of August 21, 1961).

The London Jewish World of March 15, 1923 declared: “Fundamentally, Judaism is anti-Christian.”

Rabbi Martin Siegel: “I am devoting my lecture in this seminar to a discussion of the possibility that we are now entering a Jewish century, a time when the spirit of the community, the non-idealogical blend of the emotional and rational and the resistance to categories and forms will emerge through the forces of anti-nationalism to provide us with a new kind of society. I call this process the Judaization of Christianity because Christianity will be the vehicle through which this society becomes Jewish” (New York Magazine, January 18, 1972, p. 32). word.htm

I am nearly done with you but before I take my leave of your lack of knowledge, I suggest you search for Victims Accuse, the writings of Israel Shahak, Arthur Koestler, dozens of sites on Zionism and Jews against it, dozens of sites on who the true Israelites are (the race and tribes of the Israelites (Anglo-Saxon, Celts, and Caucasians) well documented on many, many sites), who the Edomites were, the history of John Hyrcanus (the last Isrealite King of Judah assassinated by Herod), the source of the pharisees (the Idumeans/edomites) and so on.

You might also study the writings, lectures, interviews, and speeches of people such as Benjamin Freedman (former Zionist that was so high in the hierarchy that he was one of 117 Jews at the Versailles Treaty signing), the history of Zionism and the Rothschild family in (as Jesus called Pharisaic Judaism) The Synagogue of Satan by Andrew Hitchcock, and the writings of Paul Findley, Mark Glenn, Eustace Mullens, Christopher Bjerknes, ever Ted Pike on the Zionist and Ashkenazim Jews, several Armenian historians and theologians, the many sources on “I am the Witness” site and on and on for a lifetime of reading historical facts. Look up the Armenian Holocaust by the Jewish Young Turks in 1915 and the fact that the Bolshevik Revolution was actually a Zionist action to take over Russian and kill of the entire Romanov family in 1917.

Also, as possibly stated previously, 90 to 95 percent of Jewry are Ashkenazim Jews, descendants of Asian Mongols of the land of Khazaria. In 745 A.D. these wanton blood lusting Mongols were forced by their Kagan (king) to take up Judaism. It is those that became the Zionists Jews, and are the founders of Israel led by the Ashkenazim Rothschilds family (controls the Federal Reserve System and the false currency we pay usury tax on).

The facts are out there that could clear up your lack of understanding of Judaism, especially the Zionists, and its effect on the world, and also your lack of understanding of the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Final Testament (translated meaning of the term, Qu’ran).

This is not to say that all that follow Judaism are evil people but the Zionist established State of Israel and its leadership are. Their words betray them, and for darned certain their actions betray them.

As you study (if you study, I should say), it may be as it was with me, a descendant of the Tribe of Levites. I had terrible cognitive dissonance but finally as truth revealed itself, my acceptance grew and so did my understanding of Mosaic law and the Bible. I could send you at least a 100 massive files of documented facts but I do not think you would study them or even look at them as it is obvious you are rigid in your thinking and do not allow for facts that belie your beliefs.

So, just let me say that as the future developments, the truth will be revealed. The alleged lost tribes will emerge and the truth will slap you hard in the face and mind.

I, as I have stated many times, am not an anti-Semite but Jews are not Shemites – the Arabs are through Ishmael (sonand the leaders of Judaism know it. They just use it as a trigger term rather than presenting facts, much as your statements do.

I also do not hate Jews because they are Jews. That is a ridiculous myth perpetrated and perpetuated by Zionists and those that support them (such as yourself). I take every man and woman as they are by their actions, just as Jesus said to do. Actions of the Zionists and the treatment of Palestinians (who are Christians, Muslims, and followers of Judaism) show their true nature. If you support the slaughter of innocents, then you are complicit with their evil actions. Anyone that believes the chosen people by Yahweh would allow the slaughter of innocent men, woman and children must be as psychopathic as those doing the killing and genocide.

Look up the USS Liberty and Cole, the slaughter of 2000 Egyptian P.O.W.s by the IDF, the starvation of over a million German prisoners of war by the Jew, Eisenhower, who hated all Israelites with a passion, the Deir Yassin massacre (in fact look up quotes by Begin, the head of the massacre and later prime minister of Israel).

And who or what brought on the persecution of Jews to force them to leave and go to Israel. Read this by a well-known Rabbi at the time.

“The Zionists brought us to the Holocaust. It is well known that it was possible to redeem Jews from the Nazis with money, and save many hundreds of thousands of Jews in Hungary . . .THE ZIONIST LEADERS WHO NOW SIT IN GOVERNMENT PREVENTED IT!” Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Ehrenreich (circa 1954)

Well, enough of my time wasted. Present facts if you know any, and not your indoctrinated beliefs through massive brain washing guided by the Zionists that control all mainstream publishing and media, public education, Zionist Christianity (kind of the same as Satanic Christianity), and along with movies and TV shows controlled by Zionists that present falsities rather than facts. Speaking of that, my generation (I am 64) first heard of the Holocaust in 1977 because of an NBC miniseries called “the Holocaust”. Funny no WW II veteran leader or any world leader or historian during or for maybe two decades or more after the war wrote about it, not even Eisenhower that bitterly hated Germans or the International Red Cross that regularly checked out prison camps. Why not I wonder.

Have a good day, as it is for certain you are not one of us that have learned and accepted the truth found in the Scriptures and the anti-Christian writings of the Judaic law, the Traditions of Men known as the Babylonian Talmud, and then the occult Kabbalah.

And now I do take my leave of you and your ignorance.

ED LEWIS:AS MUSH as I thank you for such a long elaboration of yours studys: DID you ever challenge your own mind? to beleive exactly what your inner self was challenging your studys, which come from others human been who where drawn to instruct and lead you and others to what you are professing now with such passion, not leaving me and other readers the chance to even challenge you, without you saying of my ignorance on the subject,which I agree on that: BUT the difference between you and me ares , I am not trying to push my beleif on you; but you came here and your first comment was on the subject, that had nothing to do with the post here; that became suspicious for me; and I did not challenge you at this time , but later on your 3rd comment. bye

ED LEWIS: hi, I was asking myself, according to you and others including NEWYORK JEWS who worship LUCIFER as your and their god , if it
has any thing to do do with their agreement to the IMAN to build his MOSQUE, because I was so surprise at the time before, i could not understand why they would agree, IT sounded EVIL to me, and now I found the solution to my previous question: AS you also surely know, that LUCIFER is the FALLEN ANGEL cast down by GOD and he is a dangerous trouble maker against the only GOD, and he is also the devil we know about and evil, and you along with JEWS you claim to be profess to belong to him.