With the less than opaque veil shrouding the current White House actions, Obama’s latest unheralded EO on Jan 11th, establishing the Council of Governors, sent the blog world into a tizzy. The extremes of reaction ran the gamut.
When Shutking broke out the “martial law” headline, commenter John Erickson, who’s blog profile says he works in government in Lincoln, Nebraska, tut tutted that view, saying they were only a federal advisory committee.
PropagandaMatrix comes thru with less sensationalist perspective, noting the other blog fears, but not casting it’s own lot into the more extreme theories. They did, however, note this “..clearly represents another assault on Posse Comitatus, the 1878 law that bars the military from exercising domestic police powers, which was temporarily annulled by the 2006 John Warner National Defense Authorization Act before parts of it were later repealed.”
As with most government powers, there is always the potential for abuse. In this case, there is cause for serious concern because every bit of this entails expanding traditional Command in Chief powers to the DOD, spreading troops around the US (potentially not American troops at that…) and deciding who has ultimate tactical command over reserves and Guard in the event of “emergencies”, terrorist attacks, or natural disasters.
Since we can’t expect much in clarification from this transparent administration, it’s up to us to sort out the intent, and inherent dangers to our founded Republic. And we sure we don’t need yet another head scratcher, like Obama’s INTERPOL executive order before Christmas. So I’m here to connect a few more dots on the Council of Governors.
The Council of Governors is not a complete bolt out of the blue, but another step in a series of events. The first recommendation of the Council came in a May 2007 commissioned report on the National Guard and Reserves by Arnold Punaro. The review noted that the Guard was short almost $40 bil in supplies and equipment due to committments since the 911 attack, and that individual governors had been “slighted”. The commission recommended a creation of the Council of Governors so that “… governors could provide direct input on National Guard issues to the executive branch.”
Month’s later, it’s creation was mandated by Congress, with no specific timeline to do so, via The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008. This was a bill first introduced by Ike Skelton in the House Jan 2008, and sailed thru both chambers with almost unanimous bi-partistan support. It was signed into law Jan 28th, 2008 by then President Bush, and became Public Law No: 110-181.
Buried in the 602 pg bill (pg 498) was Section 1822 – aka the mandate:
SEC. 1822. COUNCIL OF GOVERNORS.
The President shall establish a bipartisan Council of Governors to advise the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the White House Homeland Security Council on matters related to the National Guard and civil support missions.
President Bush never created the Council, and neither had President Obama… until yesterday, that is. The question is, did Obama create this council for it’s original purpose? From what I’ve put together so far, it’s not looking that way. Keep reading.
Flashback, April 4th, 2008: News hits that a month and a half earlier, Feb 14th, 2008, the US and Canada enter into a military agreement between NORTHCOM, NORAD and Canada COM, defined as a Civil Assistance Plan:
In a political move that received little if any attention by the American news media, the United States and Canada entered into a military agreement on February 14, 2008, allowing the armed forces from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a domestic civil emergency, even one that does not involve a cross-border crisis, according to a police commander involved in homeland security planning and implementation.
It is an initiative of the Bi-National Planning Group whose final report, issued in June 2006, called for the creation of a “Comprehensive Defense and Security Agreement,” or a “continental approach” to Canada-US defense and security.
The law enforcement executive told Newswithviews.com that the agreement — defined as a Civil Assistance Plan — was not submitted to Congress for debate and approval, nor did Congress pass any law or treaty specifically authorizing this military agreement to combine the operations of the armed forces of the United States and Canada in the event of domestic civil disturbances ranging from violent storms, to health epidemics, to civil riots or terrorist attacks.
“This is a military plan that’s designed to bypass the Posse Comitatus Act that traditionally prohibited the US military from operating within the borders of the United States. Not only will American soldiers be deployed at the discretion of whomever is sitting in the Oval Office, but foreign soldiers will also be deployed in American cities,” warns Lt. Steven Rodgers, commander of the Nutley, NJ Police Department’s detective bureau.
Canada Free Press’s Sean Osborne reported on it within weeks of the agreement. At that time, Osborne thought it sniffed of a EU type political union. And while he thought it was prudent to plan for a united defense if necessary, he also saw the need for a careful eye on this new military union, and it’s purpose.
Note the timing of this new CAP… February 14th, 2008. Just a few weeks after the passage of Public Law No: 110-181… and Section 1822 that mandated the creation of a Council of Governors.
Coincidently, the preceding Section 1821 of that same enacted Public Law dealt happened to deal with another mandate concerning NORTHCOM. Section 1821 ordered the Chairman and Chief Joint of Staff to review the adequacy of NORTHCOM’s manpower, and any need for increased components, reporting to the DOD no later than one year’s time.
SEC. 1821. UNITED STATES NORTHERN COMMAND.
(a) MANPOWER REVIEW.—
(1) REVIEW BY CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF.— Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff shall submit to the Secretary of Defense a review of the civilian and military
positions, job descriptions, and assignments within the United States Northern Command with the goal of determining the feasibility of significantly increasing the number of members of a reserve component assigned to, and civilians employed
by, the United States Northern Command who have experience in the planning, training, and employment of forces for homeland defense missions, domestic emergency response, and providing military support to civil authorities.
Within 90 days of receipt of that review, the Defense Secretary was to present a copy of that review to Congress, along with recommendations on achieving the reports recommended goals.
This put the timeline deadline at the end of May, 2009…. Obama’s 4th month in the Oval Office. Still no creation of the Council of Governors.
Still awake? Hope so, because now it gets really interesting….
One month later, June 2009, NORTHCOM sends a Legislative Proposal to Congress, requested amending Title 10 of USC, expanding the Secretary of Defense’s powers to mobilization of the Army Reserve, Air Force Reserve, Navy Reserve, and Marine Corps Reserve to assist civil authorities in disasters and emergencies… “…thus enabling a truly Total Force approach to disaster response.” Currently, only the Commander in Chief can call up the Reserves – and only in an emergency involving “a use or threatened use of a weapon of mass destruction” or “a terrorist attack or threatened terrorist attack in the United States that results, or could result, in significant loss of life or property.”
The Federal Reserve forces represent a significant capability, embedded in thousands of communities throughout our nation, which, with the exception of national emergencies, cannot be ordered to active duty to assist the primary Federal agency’s response to major disasters or emergencies, even in circumstances when Reserve units may be closest to the disaster area and thus the most timely and cost-effective response.
This proposed new Title 10 section would also implement the recommendation of the Commission on the National Guard and Reserves that the “mobilization authorities for Federal Reserve forces to respond to emergencies should be expanded” to “provide the authority to involuntarily mobilize Federal Reserve components for up to 60 days in a four-month period and up to 120 days in a two-year period.”
Somewhere around the end of July 2009, Paul Stockton, Obama’s appointed Assistant Secretary of Defense ( formerly with Stanton’s CISAC) is pitching the Council of Governors creation to Congress as a means to “reclaim” balance between federal and state authorities. From his testimony,
As the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Homeland Defense and Americas’ Security Affairs, I hope to contribute to a more inclusive effort, one that involves State and local partners as partners aforethought and not as an afterthought. Congress, in section 1822 of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 (Public Law 110-181), has provided a valuable vehicle through which to accomplish this goal: the “Council of Governors,” which would provide a forum for Governors, the Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of Homeland Security to exchange advice, views, and recommendations on the National Guard, DSCA, and other matters of mutual interest. I will make it a top priority to implement this congressional objective.
This certainly has morphed in scope from the original recommended intent to provide Governors with “…direct input on National Guard issues to the executive branch.”
By August 12th, Matthew Rothschild at The Progressive is reporting that the Pentagon is now asking Congress to allow the Defense Secretary to park almost 400,000 military personnel from throughout the United States.
So the new proposed legislation would greatly expand the President’s power to call up the Reserves in a disaster or an emergency and would extend that power to the Secretary of Defense. (There are other circumstances, such as repelling invasions or rebellions or enforcing federal authority, where the President already has the authority to call up the Reserves.)
The ACLU is alarmed by the proposed legislation. Mike German, the ACLU’s national security policy counsel, expressed amazement “that the military would propose such a broad set of authorities and potentially undermine a 100-year-old prohibition against the military in domestic law enforcement with no public debate and seemingly little understanding of the threat to democracy.”
Add to above the vague definition of “emergency”… generally left up to the President to determine… and we have a serious power grab in the making.
Dave Mundy at the Texas National Press isn’t so subtle with his last summer’s headline… “Military asks Congress to set aside Posse Comitatus”.
An Aug. 12 article in The Progressive, a liberal news journal, by reporter Matthew Rothschild reports that the U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) has asked Congress to grant the Secretary of Defense the authority to post up to 400,000 troops in North America “in times of emergency or natural disaster.” If granted, the move would further erode the authority of the states and would minimize the role played by the states’ militia, the National Guard, in handling domestic issues.
More ominously, nothing in the Pentagon’s request specifies that the troops to be posted in U.S. cities would necessarily be Americans.
Sept 2009: NORTHCOM releases the 32 pg initial framework for the “Tri Command”. It lays the foundation for how NORAD, NORTHCOM and Canada COM operate and interact to accomplish their missions and goals, including organizational charts, and sharing of both information and intelligence. NORTHCOM and Canada COM are both national forces, reporting to Defense Secretary (US) and CDS (Canada), while NORAD is set up as a bi-national force. Commanders have the flexibility to set up Joint Task Force in areas for the duration of the military operation.
The Commanders of these three organizations are directed to establish three plans for the combined defense of the US and Canada. The CAP, mentioned above, is unclassified. The other two, the Canada-US Combined Defense Plan and NORAD Concept Plan are classified.
Governors, however, cannot be left out of the mix. A couple of months early, when Stocken was testifying before Congress and NORTHCOM was requesting distribution of units across the US, Asst. Defense Secretary Stockton, had sent a letter to the National Governor’s Association INRE their plans. The governors were having nothing of the sort without some serious guidelines in authoritative boundaries. Indeed they reminded Mr. Stockton that a similar proposal in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2009 was nixed due to gubernatorial concerns.
In their reply on August 7th reply, they recommended setting up the Council of Governors to facilitate discussing the division of tactical command for the NORTHCOM/Defense Department’s expanded powers and military authority.
Governors and their Adjutants General would welcome the opportunity to work with you and others at DoD and the National Guard Bureau to discuss tactical control during disasters and to identify legislative and operational opportunities to improve our response to such events. The best way to facilitate such consultation and communication is for DoD to quickly establish the Council of Governors as required by the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008. Doing so will provide an appropriate forum to address these issues and other aspects of defense support to civilian authorities.
Jan 11th… Obama creates the Council.
We now know the two fold intent…
1: To achieve the NORTHCOM Legislative Proposal goals by giving the Defense Secretary powers to call up the reserve units, and stash them across the US in preparation….
2: To get the Governor’s blessing on that power, and suss out who gets to command what, and under what circumstance.
It’s Stockton’s task to liaison between the governors, DHS and the National Guard.
What remains to be seen is what powers can be conferred upon the 10 gubernatorial council members, and what State authorities they cede… either willingly, or hoodwinked out of.
What questions come to mind is why now? What does Obama know to take these extraordinary steps, or… from the conspiratorial angle, just what does he have planned?
But there’s one guarantee… Gibbs sure isn’t going to tell us, and this is another round table of negotiations that won’t be making it to C-SPAN.
For the humorous take on the EO, check out Andrew Malcom’s “whereas” blog post on LA Times Top of the Ticket.
Vietnam era Navy wife, indy/conservative, and an official California escapee now residing as a red speck in the sea of Oregon blue.
I was reading through an AT blog this morning “The Breaking of Nations” and in one of the links, I saw where Vincente Fox mentions something about combining our forces, after they erase the borders and even all using the same money. Tried to find his exact quote, but couldn’t.
Looks like there are people in high places that think we should combine Mexico, Canada and the US to become North America, another dot.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/01/the_breaking_of_nations.html
It’s to put down the Tea Party revolt, even before they revolted.
Thanks Mata,…very scary indeed…the neo-marxists at work. Who is behind all of these? Susstein or Podesta?
very interesting, if we didn’t have this in depth dot connecting by mata and the others. thank you so much for your hard work.
Mata- by far one of my favorite authors here. Hard work, and great (logical) connections. Something that could easily be spun into conspiracy theories, you kept the facts alive and connected real dots while asking legitimate questions. On another note, considering how many of our armed services men and women are conservative in nature, I really doubt that they would act as obamas minions. However, having canadian forces on american soil (armed within cities) would only guarantee a rebellion. Obama is one scary person. I guess the left got what they wanted, a takeover of america by the drudges of the world. An empty suit willing to party on the tax payers expense, willing to bring america to its lowest common denominator in an attempt to appease all, and spread academia bread marxism. We seriously need another fight for independence. Or we can just split up the U.S. into liberal and conservatives. The liberals can live in the ocean, and we can live on the land. Maybe even give them their own piece of orbiting rock. The moon already seems to be where the reside anyway. Heck, I heard the sun is beautiful this time of year.
Liam- I don’t think living in the ocean would be such a problem for Liberals. After all, don’t they walk on water already?
Thank you for the kind words, Liam. This EO, just like the INTERPOL one… which I’m still mulling a second post on… had me baffled. Were there any single event that overtly stripped the US citizen of Constitutional rights, battling it down wouldn’t be such a problem. The trick is, the Alinsky’ites are slow, methodical and very patient. It took decades for those like Ayers to install a different mindset into our public school curriculum, and affect the outlook of our youth to the Republic, to energy and to capitalism. I see no difference in this WH admin.
I updated the post since I forgot I wanted to insert the release of NORTHCOM’s “Tri Command” framework. In the pdf that I linked above (and also can be found here…) are the organization charts for command of the three forces. You may find that interesting.
On the benign side, this could be precautions taken after review of the reserve and Guard, finding them stretched and possibly affecting delays of emergency response. Deploying these reserve forces would cut response time, as well as provide a bit of economic boost to where ever they were relocated. Tho, in the latter, it would also leave an economic hole from whence they came.
On the extreme side, the definition of “emergency” is purely at the discretion of the POTUS. But then, that has been status quo, and likely none of us thought about it much until this particular administration’s agenda.
And I cannot think of one instance where there is a need for the Defense Secretary to acquire the CiC powers to mobilize the reserves. I’m quite leery of NORTHCOM’s request for delegation of such powers, and I haven’t found their reasoning for doing so. They do report to the DOD, however that doesn’t negate the need for a Defense Sec’y to obtain POTUS approval for any activation.
This concept, once again, bestows unConstitutional powers on an unelected official… the first being the Treasury Secretary with TARP.
Now something to be considered is that the agreement between the US and Canada to create this emergency bi-national military strategy is a treaty… one that Bush did not send on to Congress for ratification in his final year. That is likely because of the review of reserve/Guard status that was created by the MDAA for 2009.
That treaty has not been sent on by Obama either, to my knowledge. Certainly there are plans afoot to implement this bi-national emergency force. But without ratification, Congress, can examine this treaty and reject it…. if they can take their eyes of the health care golden goose.
Last fall, I read an article about some governors wanting command and control access to reserve components, beyond their own respective national guard units, that would give them more resources that can be accessed in times of natural disaster. Supposedly, it would prevent a similar “breakdown” like Katrina in NOLA. Gates was leery of the proposal and recommended against any expansion of governor control to include reserve components, suggesting a more “streamlined” process that would reduce red tape. Gates further suggested that giving governors access to reserve components would hamper military operations, particularly during wartime, that it would inevitably lead to wanting control access to regular forces, and interfere with the military chain of command (in particular interfere with a president’s constitutional authority as CIC).
It appears Gates lost the argument.
I’m not so sure about that, DR. Remember that NORTHCOM and the DOD (Gates & Stockton) are pushing for the expanded activation power. The NGA basically said “set up the council and we’ll chat”.
So it doesn’t look like anyone has won, or lost yet. We just now know what they are attempting to do.
It is all about the coming North American Union-target date 2010. The Security and Prosperity Parternership is already in place, which was signed by Bush. It is more than a Republican or
Democratic President, I’m sorry to say that they have been hand picked. Please read Daniel
Estulin’s book, “The Biderberg Group.” It’s a best seller in Europe. The Canadians know what is going on and have had a number of protests, which we will never hear about. Please google
The Canadian Action Party…you can see their protests on u-tube. We have been under media censorship for quite some time. We must read, google and dig for the truth. God Bless America
and our liberties!
It all is about the North American Union that is planned for this year. Please read “America
For Sale,” by Dr. Jerome Corsi and research the Trilateral Commission. Canadians are already
protesting this…check out “The Canadian Action Party.”
I’m new here. But, just wanted to add that on Christmas eve Obama appointed a new commander at Northcom. I thought the timing was odd. Why on Christmas eve as Obama was leaving for Hawaii? It also appears from this article that the Guard isn’t happy about the pick either. The appointee Winnefield is also a member of the U.S. delegation to the United Nations Military Staff Committee. hmmm.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2010/01/military_guard_northcom_011310w/
@Francine:
Welcome Francine. We have a few in here that may weigh in on your post if they’ve seen it. Old Trooper is career Army, brought out of retirement and is now on the ground in Afghanistan, PatVann is another of our warriors, don’t mean to leave any others out, just haven’t seen them posting lately. Also sure Mata can figure it out, nothing gets past her, nothing. Welcome again.
@Francine:
Welcome Francine!
Come on in and make yourself at home.
We’re glad you’re here.
Another “dot” from Francine! Obviously you are not a lady that we should allow to lurk in the shadows, girl. Astute commenters are the lifeblood of Flopping Aces.
What I can’t find is whether Renuart – a former DOD guy – is retiring, or the Winnefeld replacement is just a change Obama wanted to do.
Then one has to wonder, is Obama looking at Renuart as at Gates replacement for Secretary of Defense.
@Mata
#11 – Gates pushing for increased activation authority, that part I would say “I don’t know.” The impression I had as I read that particular article was that Gates was not warm to the idea. He may have been persuaded, leading to a change his mind. (Can’t find the article. As you know, articles “disappear” from the web, unable to be found in search results. Google does this quite often.)
#22 – Since I live near Peterson AFB (NorthCom HQ), the impression from Renuart himself to local media and the base newspaper was that he was going to retire. I’m of the opinion that when sudden changes are made like Renuart’s, it’s more indicative of a policy dispute (case in point: ADM Fallon as commander of CentCom before he was replaced by Bush 43). Anyway, I think there’s a 5-year statutory prohibition of former AD personnel filling the SecDef position. (Don’t if this is actually true or not, but Colin Powell often cited this when rumors would surface of Clinton naming Powell as SecDef back then.)
The whole idea of issuing EO’s such as this and the Interpol one has to be disconcerting. One has to wonder what the administration is truly working on.
Interesting thoughts, DR. But I don’t believe that Robert Gates took the gig, intending to be there the full Obama term.
And I’m not entirely convinced that Gates was not in agreement for the extended mobilization powers, tho I find no referenced articles for his approval or disapproval. But I do have to consider it was his Asst Defense Secretary, Stockton, who stood before Congress lobbying for that power, as well as supporting the NORTHCOM Legislative Proposal.
Do you think Stockton could, or would, do that if his superior didn’t support that plan?
INRE any statutory prohibitions, here’s Renuart’s bio, with dates of various tenures. The article blip I read that was he was a former DOD member. Looking at the specifics on his bio, he was a senior military assistant to the DOD from Aug 2006 until his command appointment to NORTHCOM/NORAD in March 2007. Whether this affects any prohibitions or not, perhaps you can answer better by scanning his various posts.
And yup… always wondering what this admin is working on. This one I believe is quite clear. Started with a 2007 study of reserve and guard strength; 2008 legislation recommending the council as a pipeline of info between governors and the Executive Office INRE the Guard; NORTHCOM’s peachy idea of being an ever ready and present back up force to the Guard and Reserve… and the expanded powers. It finally culminated in the Governor’s Association recommending the Council be formed to suss out the obstacles between NORTHCOM/DOD’s legislative proposal and their State concerns.
All that said, I can’t find a conspiracy with it’s creation. But what seems evident is that Obama didn’t create that council for the original purpose… the pipeline for governors to WH… but to specifically discuss mutally agreeable terms for providing the DOD with emergency powers, and placing those troops across the States in preparedness. Old law with original intent vs new motivation.
The INTERPOL EO is still something I’m convinced is a side door to prosecuting US war criminals from the prior admin while keeping his own hands clean. The ICC is one of the few non-governmental entities that can issue INTERPOL Red Alerts. Any demand that Bush admin members stand before the ICC does not come from the AG’s office, or Congressional hearings. The next evidence of a move in that direction will be when Obama resigns onto the Rome Statute/ICC. But that is unlikely to happen until Gitmo is formally closed…. per the POTUS’ own mouthpieces.
It would be interesting to know if any such emergency force in the US was authorized to act on INTERPOL’s behalf in detaining any US citizen on an ICC issued Red Alert.
@Mata (#24)
The curious part is a supposedly split responsibility at DOD. Gates is responsible for overseeing the wars while Obama appointees oversee “everything else” (whatever everything else is suppose to be). Obama, himself, was going to oversee morale, welfare, and quality of life matters directly out of the West Wing. This arrangement of sorts was reported on shortly after the inauguration, when everyone was under the assumption Gates would leave after serving a year and Obama would bring in his own appointee as SecDef. I wonder if “expanded authority” is under the heading of “everything else.”
Here’s an interesting morsel of scuttlebutt making the rounds – it appears the administration want to lay the ground work for military personnel who served during the Bush 43 years to pay back taxes on the tax-free money they earned. Includes their re-up bonuses when they re-upped while in theater (Iraq and A-stan), and some of the combat/hazard pay that was termed tax free. Have you heard anything like this going around?
As an ex-military training instructor separated in ’73, I’m curious about the mindset of todays military folks.
If Obama was to pervert his office and attempt to use military forces (U.S., Canadian, etc.) to say, disarm the populus of the U.S…. what would they do?
The military I served and trained with would have had none of it. What say you?
It’s my first time here, so I’m unsure if you’re biased towards one of the mainstream politcal parties, but it does seem that you’re picking on Obama and letting Bush off a bit light. Don’t get me wrong, pick on Obama! Just don’t leave out Bush (or Clinton, or Bush Sr., or even Reagan for that matter). They’ve each passed their own obscene number of frightening EOs. When looked at from a distance, one can identify a more or less clear trajectory. Kinda like they’re all in on it. Electing repulicans now, ’cause Obama sucks, is really no solution at all. Better just burn it down, and start over from the beginning. Maybe a new non-classed Constitution, this time not made to empower the interests of the rich against the rest of us…
Glad to have Justthinkin’ on board. I’m a newcomer, too. Justthinkin-this is what I’ve said earlier. Many of our Presidents have been handpicked and are groomed by David Rockefeller’s
Trilateral Commission. That is why we may change parties…but they still move forward with the New World Order Agenda. (If you look at Daniel Estulin’s book, “The Biderberg Group,” you will
be surprised how many people in The Obama’s Adm. are members of The Trilateral Commision
and the CFR. We have to rout out our Congressmen that are on board for the New World order,
and NAU. If you search for: the Transatlantic Policy Commsion, (another NWO subsidiary), you
will find 49 Cogressmen and 6 Senators are members (both R and D.) These are the persons
that can not be re-elected. We must rout out these traitors to our U.S. sovereignty! Keep up the good work everyone!
when one sees a storm on the horizon, one tend to think to go inside… unless you’re totally crazy and want to get caught in the rain…
we are being led, drop by drop into a cage…
be aware, get out or get ready to fight.
love ya all
~pyramidian
Merovee thorn hi you should see the snow storm we have in here and i wont go out for sure bye
JustThinkin, I assure you my contempt for anti-Constitutional actions by any POTUS knows no political bounds. But since I’m not addressing the issue of a Presidential EO power in general, but a specific sequence of events to this particular EO, my post and commentary is limited to just that.
In this case, Congress mandated the creation of the Council of Governors… but without a defined timeline. They did, however, state the purpose of that council. And that was to be a pipeline of communication between Governors and the Executive Branch about the needs and equipment of the Guard.
Obama’s creation of this council now is apparently not for that reason, but to advance the NORTHCOM request for distribution of troops, and expanding Presidential powers to the Defense Secretary. If not overtly sinister in it’s intent, it should be regarded as dangerously suspicious.
Therefore I have no beef with Congress creating the council, nor Bush’s lack of creating that council via an EO. I have a very large beef with Obama doing so, and with his questionable intent that far supercedes it’s original purpose.
could they have made that partnership because of the new trafic that we have in the northwest passage i read of the russians come with submarine and our canadin that are on security in north atlantic where saying that they cannot do any thing but let them go because of a lack of resources and peoples,thank you.
Ilovebees Don’t you worry about them russian subs and the canadins peoples not stoppin em. Sarah’s watchin for em from her front porch,when she’s around and not blasting Obama on FOX, and she will surely sound the alarm to protect you and all God fearin American citizens.
rich wheeler, that’s Tina Fey watching ’em from her front porch, not Sarah Palin. And unlike Tina Fey, Palin can see Russia from Alaska’s borders, and has been dealing and watching them as a Governor, on behalf of this nation, for her admin’s duration.
And what can you see from your California window? heh…
Border Bob-think if (when) it comes down to martial law they’ll be using U.N. milit. Don’ t think our troops will go along with the game, unless it’s under some other guise. I’ve seen pics. of BSNE trains travelling to Mesa Arizona carrying Loads of military equip., tanks, jeeps, etc. do
you think they are gearing up? My theory is that if someting’s coming down it will be before
the Nov. elections, probably this summer when everyone’s on vacation. Word I’ve heard that it will follow a “crisis.” To give it a good excuse…to take things into their hands. NAU is scheduled
for this year, right?
Rally ‘Round The Flag
Rally That is scary shit man. Should I cxl my July family vacation and get ready?
Border Bob Don’t you worry. If Obama comes at us with Canuck or U.N. forces the U.S. Marines will fight back.You’ll have to ask Old Trooper about the Army.
rich wheeler & all…
Something about Defending the Constitution…All Enemies Foreign or Domestic is how the Oath goes. You will never see the US Armed Forces of any branch obeying illegal orders. BTAFE or Janet Reno’s FBI are a thing of the past re: Ruby Ridge or Waco.
I can say Posse Comitatus too. Not a likely scenario. With the number of individually owned
firearms in this Country I doubt if anyone with the good sense that God gave a crowbar would be
that foolish. There are way too many Oath Keepers out there for any such nonsense.
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2009/03/03/declaration-of-orders-we-will-not-obey/
When units deploy their “rolling stock” is generally rail loaded to go to port. That is what Rally most likely saw on those railcars. The UN has no forces and the Canadians are staunch Allies. That’s why NATO, the US, the Brits and Australia are doing the heavy lifting in the Stans.
I’d worry more about China cashing in their T-Bonds and US Treasury backed Securities right now.
I’m 50 minutes into a brand new day here. Wow, comments on Sarah Palin, the gal that eats Moose for breakfast. It does make good sausage with the proper spices.
Sarah Palin. Could that be the Sarah Palin who has actually run a businesss? Could that be the Sarah Palin who has actually run a town? Could that be the Sarah Palin who has actually run a state? The Sarah Palin who actually balanced the budget of her state every year?
Or the one that most foaming at the mouth Liberal Members of Congress fear more than their constituents at a Town Hall Meeting when they tried to sell a Health Care Plan that no one wanted or explain how they were gonna borrow, tax and spend the Nation into prosperity while their 401ks were tanking and there would be no COLA for Social Security recipients?
Sarah Palin is the least of your concerns. Getting deadbeat earmarking and over spending members of Congress and the Senate seeking opportunities elsewhere in November should be. Creating Private Sector non Government Jobs should be. Reducing the cost and size of Government should be. Keeping Terrorists out of US Civil Courts should be. Keeping Iran from getting Nukes should be. You all have greater concerns and larger worries than Sarah Palin.
O.T. The Sarah Palin who quit on her constituents to take the money Notice I said take not earn.Mac gave her 15 minutes and she got greedy. Would hope our military leaders like yourself have more important things to do than authoring long blogs defending her while attacking your C.I.C. Respectfully RJW
@rich wheeler: Sarah Palin is twice the man and ten times the American that Barack Hussein Obama is.
Lecturing us on respecting Obama while trashing a great American leader is just more evidence of the hypocrisy you people dredge up every single day.
OLDtrooper i have to look up in my book the word Staunch and come back to you bye
rich wheeler, as a matter of fact I do but throwing out the bait here at 02:03 in the morning here for moonbats to bite on takes the edge off and furnishes some amusement. Nowhere in my posting did I insult the CIC so get your panties out of a wad. Does Sarah Palin get your blood pressure up? She is quite capable of defending herself. When was the last time you shot and field dressed a Moose? You should try it sometime.
You have greater concerns with what the CIC is doing to the economy and my perimeter is secure and all accounted for here. I’m missing hunting season at home right now but my group have accounted for more than a few two legged varmints lately and aim to get a few more tonight. We got six last night and two of them are in the cage at Kandahar with our gracious Afghan hosts. The other four are room temperature with no Miranda Rights read or benefit of Legal Counsel. Hmmm.
@rich wheeler:
Two questions:
1) Where is the “attack” on the CIC?
2) Is dissent no longer patriotic?
ilovebeeswarzone, it means they got your back in street terms but I’ll bet you knew that already.
Aye Chihuahua, Oh hell no, not if it is the truth but paying more taxes is. Just ask Joe.
My return to Active Duty just saved me a bundle on personal income tax. My pay and allowances are tax free right now.
But I’m saving some cash for the EPA Fines for range cattle flatulence if need be. I’m sure that’s on the Socialist agenda for 2010.
Old trooper thank you i am glad if you got one in your back i look in my book and it says trus-worthy and loyal that is who we are bye take care.
@rich wheeler: hasn’t read the Troopergate and Alinsky perfected series yet, I see….
What money would that be, rich? Would that be the personal cash she *does* earn now so she may pay attorneys still defending her in frivolous lawsuits (that I never got to for yet a third series…). They were, of course, being amassed a’top the frivolous complaints that cost big bucks to her constituents.
How much, and for how long, should a responsible elected allow taxpayer pockets to be drained for such BS? Is that the hallmark of a conscientious leader? Keeping power at all financial costs to residents? Oh yes… you’re one who’s willing to turn a blind eye to your party leaders, like Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein etal, who engage in such regularly. Can’t say as the POTUS is Mr. Frugal for personal entertainment at the taxpayers’ expense, either.
You’re a joke when it comes to reason and logic. Just a pathetic bundle of emotional Palin paranoia. Truly amusing.
OT… tax on cattle flatulence… LOL! Would be even funnier if not likely to be a reality sooner than later.
A.C. I take O.T. at his word that he’s not bashing his C.I.C. and agree with him the voting booth is the proper venue to elicit change in a Democracy. So to Mike et. al. I say bring on “your great American Leader” Sarah Palin. Let the games begin.The sooner the better.
@rich wheeler:
So, when directly confronted you are unable to support the blatantly false accusation that you squeezed out, eh?
Old Trooper will graciously accept your apology I am sure.
Now, we eagerly await your response to Mata’s query in #40.
Will you be able to support your claims or will that turn out to be more buncombe from you?
A.C. I’m not apologiziing but accepting him at his word as an Army Officer.I interpreted some of his comments in other posts differently and he knows what I’m talking about. As for Sarah a 2 year Gov and 2 term mayor of a town of 7,000, many believe her book that bashes the Mac Team that found her was written by a rep. of her editor. She’s earning her money bashing Obama at Fox.Finally one thing on the record is M.H.and I abhor Sean Hannity.
Aye, tell me you aren’t holding your breath….
And oh… lookie… now, all of the sudden, the charge of ghost writers is deplorable. Tell you what, rich. I guarantee you that if Palin used a ghost writer (of which I have no clue, personally), I can guarantee you it wasn’t a “free as a bird” US domestic terrorist.
@MataHarley:
No, I’m not holding my breath.
@rich wheeler:
I see.
So….you read his comments and you misinterpreted them, thus you made a false accusation in #32.
Of course, even after being directly asked, you have not shown the inception of your false logic.
Now, after realizing the error you made, you don’t have the stones to apologize….
Hmmmm…..
That’s not the way any Marine I know would conduct himself.
YMMV.
AYE CHIUHAWA you know it takes guts to apologyse for a mistake some have it but maybe RICH doesnt have it,thank you.
I saw some “lefty” blogs about the interpol restrictions being lifted. Then EO 13528 was signed in the middle of the night about the dictator synchronyzing state’s National Guard with ferderal troops ? Why all the focus on civil unrest if you are doing nothing wrong ? Our military and police need to start spreading the word and/or signing up for “Oath keepers”. I will help transform as many “sheeple” as possible and we can keep this civil and maintain the 10th.
Rally ‘Round the Flag says: Follow the Security and Prosperity Partnership-(joint agreement between Canada, the U.S. and Mexico signed in 2005), which grew out of NAFTA. The goal is to morph it into the NAU (North American Union) by 2010 it’s here. We’re following the path of the E.U…first the Common Market, now the E.U. The Lisbon Treay was signed last Nov. and now they have created an appointed NOT ELECTED Oligarchy ruling over the European Union, very similar to the old Soviet Bloc. Because the Nov. elections may overhaul Congress, these guys might just preempt us and pull something off sooner. Very subtle..merging Canada, Mexico and
the U.S. under the guise of prosperity or if there’s a crisis…security.
This is what i have been worrying about, how this admin will try to STOP the elections in November.They know we will be there in BIG numbers to vote them out!
Okay- I’ve got a question for Border Bob. I’ve been blogging a lot and came across a protest in
Mexico against the NAU. The narrator questioned who the military types where that provided
security. They where wearing khaki uniforms that had emblems “Command Center Private Security.” Hmmm ..wonder who these folks were. Are these the new forces we are talking about? Are they the new NAU military forces?
The fact that so many centrist Democrats are leaving the flock says a lot about what this
administration is all about. There is a strong agenda; it’s their way or no way. However,
we have to look who is behind the curtains…! George Soros certainly is receiving major
cudos for his support and grooming of Obama…major oil and banking deals. (Of course, he’s a Bilderberger like Geithner, Volker, Greenspan, Armitage, Brzezinski, Rockefeller, etc.!)
This order for counsel of governors completes Nixons plans for a military coup he was setting up from 1969 to 1974 working with General Cushman USMC. Reference “Glass House Tapes” Louis Tackwood, 1973 and “New World Order” by William Still. and the fact that Nixon signed Executive order 11647 on February 10, I972 and EO 11731 on July 23, 1973.
Now any question as to why the mass number of police chiefs and CEO’s are resigning……:) FEMA told them its coming…
a back door sneaky attack based on Nixons Executive Order 11647.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/News/n1179.cfm
Section 1. Functions of the Federal Energy Administration.
[Sec. 1 amends Executive Order 11647 of Feb. 10, 1972, which was revoked by Executive Order 12149 of July 20, 1979; Executive Order 11790of June 25, 1974, Chapter 10; Executive Order 11912of Apr. 13, 1976, Chapter 10; and Proc. 3279 of Mar. 10, 1959, which was revoked by Proc. 5141 of Dec. 22, 1983. The amendments have been incorporated into those documents codified in this volume.]
FEMA Transition 2009 [page 24, Tabs FEMA Regions and FEMA Locations. ……
http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/dhs/fema/transition2009.pdf
Obama completed this plan last month google “10 Counsel of Governors” executive order.
The lie
The bipartisan Council will be composed of ten State Governors who will be selected by the President to serve two year terms. In selecting the Governors to the Council, the White House will solicit input from Governors and Governors’ associations. Once chosen, the Council will have no more than five members from the same party and represent the Nation as a whole.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/president-obama-signs-executive-order-establishing-council-governors