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Neo
13 years ago
Good news .. a peer-reviewed study says that we are already fighting global warming ..
“My findings do not agree with the climate models that conventionally thought that greenhouse gases, mainly CO2, are the major culprits for the global warming seen in the late 20th century,” Lu said. “Instead, the observed data show that CFCs conspiring with cosmic rays most likely caused both the Antarctic ozone hole and global warming. These findings are totally unexpected and striking, as I was focused on studying the mechanism for the formation of the ozone hole, rather than global warming.” His conclusions are based on observations that from 1950 up to now, the climate in the Arctic and Antarctic atmospheres has been completely controlled by CFCs and cosmic rays, with no CO2 impact.
.. the bad news, the “scientists” were all wrong and the current cooling trend will last another 50 years.
Climategate has already affected Russia. On Tuesday, the Moscow-based Institute of Economic Analysis (IEA) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Change based at the headquarters of the British Meteorological Office in Exeter (Devon, England) had probably tampered with Russian-climate data.
The IEA believes that Russian meteorological-station data did not substantiate the anthropogenic global-warming theory.
Analysts say Russian meteorological stations cover most of the country’s territory, and that the Hadley Center had used data submitted by only 25% of such stations in its reports.
Over 40% of Russian territory was not included in global-temperature calculations for some other reasons, rather than the lack of meteorological stations and observations.
The data of stations located in areas not listed in the Hadley Climate Research Unit Temperature UK (HadCRUT) survey often does not show any substantial warming in the late 20th century and the early 21st century.
The HadCRUT database includes specific stations providing incomplete data and highlighting the global-warming process, rather than stations facilitating uninterrupted observations.
On the whole, climatologists use the incomplete findings of meteorological stations far more often than those providing complete observations.
Of course it’s no more possible for them to make it colder than it is for them to make it warmer, but shhhhhhhh, don’t tell anyone, because it’ll blow their cover, . . . that is if nature doesn’t blow it for them, as it now seems to be doing.
20-30 more years of cold. I guarantee. Hundreds will die this winter, and even more next year. I’ve been calling this for 3 years, and I haven’t been wrong…if anything, my predictions have come in too warm…I did not expect snow in Monaco, or in summer-time Austrailia, let alone 80-below in parts of Alaska. There has been over 500 record-lows set this month in N. America alone, and Winter only started this past Monday….it’s usually colder in Jan.
Yet the sun stays quiet still.
yonason
13 years ago
EVEN IF IT DOESN’T GET COLDER…
If they drive energy prices up, and make us dependent on unreliable power sources, it won’t matter if nothing changes, because normal sub-zero weather is just as deadly if you don’t have the energy to keep warm.
So far (at least here in America) our supplies are not directly threatened. (I’m closely watching and so far only solar-plants have been canceled)
This is the one thing I hope most I am wrong in. My worse-case projections (over 50 years of cooling) show that present power-generation will not be enough, even here in N.America, meaning thousands will die here. This also means that in the rest of the world, incl Europe, will have deaths in the 10’s of thousands per month.
And the Lefties will somehow find a way to blame Bush.
Doug
13 years ago
Don’t confuse weather with climate, nor the latest data point with a trend. You make the same mistake that those on the other side made when making “warmest year on record” claims a few years ago in an attempt to wake up the public. The response is the same – look at the trend, not the most recent data point or two.
This site does a better job than almost any I’ve seen in explaining the science in terms a layman can understand. One thing almost no one seems to understand is the amount of the warming that’s ending up in the oceans; air and land temperature changes are a small and volatile part of the overall warming that’s occurring.
We have plenty of drive by trolls who come into threads, pronounce they are right and we are wrong, and then leave. You in that camp Doug or are you going to engage people in a debate?
Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years.
ARGO buoy measurements:
Wouldn’t warming cause more hurricanes as the zealots insist? Instead the opposite:
“Don’t confuse weather with climate, nor the latest data point with a trend.”
LOL
And don’t confuse “SkepicalScience” with a blog that you can trust, or people who know what they are talking about with ones you can con.
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Good video here by John Coleman who sums it all up nicely.
The cooling oceans is corresponding to a leveling/dropping in sea-levels, as well. (through contraction). When ARGO was first proposed, it was widely thought that they would see warming. The previous data had showed some cooling initially after 2000, but they knew it was not as accurate as it could be..thus ARGO.
When the data started coming back (It measures the top few-hundred feet of the water) they were so surprised, they stopped deploying, and lifted back out a few dozen instrument-pods, and found that they were still accurate. It is indeed cooling, and because it’s the planet’s biggest “capacitor” of caloric-energy, it’s temps have long-term ramifications. We will start to see a small reduction in the slope-curve of CO2 increases now, because this colder water will slow the “outgassing” of that CO2.
Good news .. a peer-reviewed study says that we are already fighting global warming ..
.. the bad news, the “scientists” were all wrong and the current cooling trend will last another 50 years.
@Neo: Interesting read Neo. Thanks for linking to it. I wonder how long it will be before the author is attacked as a heretic?
Which may be the reason that Russia’s IEA is complaining about the tampered data, ignoring about 40% of Russia’s stations measurements and cherry picking only their warmer stations for use.
Data links start with Anthony over at WattsUpWithThat, via AirVent, and to the original article appearing Dec 16th in RIANovosti.
“…some global warming loon(s) want
( )to make it colder.Of course it’s no more possible for them to make it colder than it is for them to make it warmer, but shhhhhhhh, don’t tell anyone, because it’ll blow their cover, . . . that is if nature doesn’t blow it for them, as it now seems to be doing.
20-30 more years of cold. I guarantee. Hundreds will die this winter, and even more next year. I’ve been calling this for 3 years, and I haven’t been wrong…if anything, my predictions have come in too warm…I did not expect snow in Monaco, or in summer-time Austrailia, let alone 80-below in parts of Alaska. There has been over 500 record-lows set this month in N. America alone, and Winter only started this past Monday….it’s usually colder in Jan.
Yet the sun stays quiet still.
EVEN IF IT DOESN’T GET COLDER…
If they drive energy prices up, and make us dependent on unreliable power sources, it won’t matter if nothing changes, because normal sub-zero weather is just as deadly if you don’t have the energy to keep warm.
@yonason.
So far (at least here in America) our supplies are not directly threatened. (I’m closely watching and so far only solar-plants have been canceled)
This is the one thing I hope most I am wrong in. My worse-case projections (over 50 years of cooling) show that present power-generation will not be enough, even here in N.America, meaning thousands will die here. This also means that in the rest of the world, incl Europe, will have deaths in the 10’s of thousands per month.
@Patvann:
And the Lefties will somehow find a way to blame Bush.
Don’t confuse weather with climate, nor the latest data point with a trend. You make the same mistake that those on the other side made when making “warmest year on record” claims a few years ago in an attempt to wake up the public. The response is the same – look at the trend, not the most recent data point or two.
http://skepticalscience.com/global-cooling.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/heading-into-new-little-ice-age.htm
http://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm
http://skepticalscience.com/Predicting-future-sea-level-rise.html
This site does a better job than almost any I’ve seen in explaining the science in terms a layman can understand. One thing almost no one seems to understand is the amount of the warming that’s ending up in the oceans; air and land temperature changes are a small and volatile part of the overall warming that’s occurring.
We have plenty of drive by trolls who come into threads, pronounce they are right and we are wrong, and then leave. You in that camp Doug or are you going to engage people in a debate?
This is just a recent one you ignored
@Doug: What warming in the oceans?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88520025
Some 3,000 scientific robots that are plying the ocean have sent home a puzzling message. These diving instruments suggest that the oceans have not warmed up at all over the past four or five years.
ARGO buoy measurements:
Wouldn’t warming cause more hurricanes as the zealots insist? Instead the opposite:
@Doug:
“Don’t confuse weather with climate, nor the latest data point with a trend.”
LOL
And don’t confuse “SkepicalScience” with a blog that you can trust, or people who know what they are talking about with ones you can con.
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Good video here by John Coleman who sums it all up nicely.
@Mike’s America:
Don’t forget how malaria is a “tropical” disease, NOT!
And that the IPCC only uses the most carefully selected material from the finest “peer reviewed” journals.
http://www.chron.com/commons/readerblogs/atmosphere.html?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=54e0b21f-aaba-475d-87ab-1df5075ce621&plckPostId=Blog%3a54e0b21f-aaba-475d-87ab-1df5075ce621Post%3aa2b394cc-5b5f-47ad-8bb5-c1aec91409ad&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest
…or was that Juan Valdez?
It is to laugh!
P.S., thanks for the link to the ARGO data. I didn’t have that yet.
UPDATE – and don’t forget what they did with CO2.
http://maxedoutmama.blogspot.com/2005/07/canadian-kyoto-skeptics.html
@Mike
Nice counter-post.
The cooling oceans is corresponding to a leveling/dropping in sea-levels, as well. (through contraction). When ARGO was first proposed, it was widely thought that they would see warming. The previous data had showed some cooling initially after 2000, but they knew it was not as accurate as it could be..thus ARGO.
When the data started coming back (It measures the top few-hundred feet of the water) they were so surprised, they stopped deploying, and lifted back out a few dozen instrument-pods, and found that they were still accurate. It is indeed cooling, and because it’s the planet’s biggest “capacitor” of caloric-energy, it’s temps have long-term ramifications. We will start to see a small reduction in the slope-curve of CO2 increases now, because this colder water will slow the “outgassing” of that CO2.
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