Want to Know Why Fewer and Fewer Americans Support the Dems Health Care “Reform?” Posted by Former Author on 20 November, 2009 at 12:50 pm. 27 comments already! [DELETED BY AUTHOR] openid.aol.com/runnswim says: November 20, 2009 at 12:52 pm Pro-life? I am. Emergency room mortality, as a function of whether or not insured: http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2009/11/the_accidental_cost_of_being_u.html Hospital mortality in children, as a function of whether or not insured: http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/30/lacking-insurance-hospitalized-children-more-likely-to-die/ – Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA Mike's America says: November 20, 2009 at 1:03 pm @openid.aol.com/runnswim: So Larry… You support the House’s Stupak Amendment banning public funding of abortion and would insist that the same be in the Senate bill? Or are you just pro-life in the E.R. and not in the O.B. operating room? Aye says: November 20, 2009 at 1:13 pm @Mike’s America: I call BS on the ER study that Larry cited. They try to include car accident victims in with those with “no insurance” coverage when, in reality, if they are the driver or passenger in a motor vehicle they would be covered by the vehicle policy. Furthermore, both of Larry’s cited sources go to great lengths to try and connect mortality with lack of insurance but then they make no effort to explain why the supposed increased mortality occurred. Yes, Mike, Larry likes to claim to be pro-life except for when he was presented with the perfect opportunity to help a cancer stricken friend and, due to his own self drawn line in the sand, he chose not to make the offer. PS: The abortion funding restrictions were not included in the Senate version of the bill. Surprised? openid.aol.com/runnswim says: November 20, 2009 at 1:44 pm @Mike: So Larry… You support the House’s Stupak Amendment banning public funding of abortion and would insist that the same be in the Senate bill? Absolutely. 100%. @Aye: Yes, Mike, Larry likes to claim to be pro-life except for when he was presented with the perfect opportunity to help a cancer stricken friend and, due to his own self drawn line in the sand, he chose not to make the offer. What a vicious, disgusting, outrageous, and libelous remark. You are a total piece of shit, you know that? Miserable excuse for a human being. Your mother would be ashamed to see you saying something as vile as that. I am never again going to reply to a single thing you write, for as long as I live. – Larry W/HB Joanne says: November 20, 2009 at 2:17 pm Good work, Aye! I will have to save that saying for the next time Larry goes off. Richard says: November 20, 2009 at 2:24 pm Ummm…I’m gonna need some background on the reference to the cancer-stricken friend of Larry’s… sounds like it struck a nerve! openid.aol.com/runnswim says: November 20, 2009 at 2:32 pm @Joanne (#5): Don’t worry, Joanne. Consider this blog ethnically cleansed. I still owe Missy a reply to her excellent comment on another thread concerning why didn’t the GOP do healthcare reform, when they were in charge. There was also another, much earlier thread on the history of the Iraq War, which I knew was going to be a whole lot of work (I got gang tackled and had about a dozen people on my case; but I promised to reply, and I still intend to make good on this, when I finally have the time to do so. Other than those two items of unfinished business, I’m gone for good). I think that I’ll migrate over to the Wall Street Journal and comment on their news stories and columns. Most of the commenters at the WSJ are conservatives, as here, but the WSJ requires commenters to sign their own names, which keeps the discourse out of the Aye-level gutter. – Larry Weisenthal/Huntington Beach, CA MataHarley says: November 20, 2009 at 3:22 pm Aye, I think I’m going to have to consider that personal comment a real “aye-popper” myself. Sorry guy. If I remember Larry’s friend, there was a professional conflict of interest also involved. And in fact, he stepped in to insure he got seen and cared for by having him get diagnosed prior to leaving the hospital. It was three weeks later, unbeknownst to him thatLarry Gary was in the hospital (and beyond any aid of chemo… if one believes in chemo at all), and died prior to getting his appointment date. Here’s your refresher course of that story, Aye. I know you two like to go at it, but frankly I’m with Larry on this one. And had I made that faux pas myself, I’d offer him an apology. tfhr says: November 20, 2009 at 6:15 pm I’ve heard that the Mary Landrieu buy-out deal is being referred to as the “Louisiana Purchase”. Madalyn says: November 20, 2009 at 8:34 pm Can you imagine the Dems offering a bribe? Holy cow, didn’t see that one coming, especially a $100M bribe. Way to go. If you don’t have a product that sells itself, bribe people. Geez! Madalyn Tweets that mention Want to Know Why Fewer and Fewer Americans Support the Dems Health Care “Reform?” -- Topsy.com says: November 20, 2009 at 8:49 pm […] This post was mentioned on Twitter by FloppingAces, Obama Scare. Obama Scare said: Want to Know Why Fewer and Fewer Americans Support the Dems Health Care “Reform?” http://j.mp/83C4iY #tcot #hcr #healthcare #obamacare […] CaptSteve says: November 21, 2009 at 8:18 am Doesn’t matter at all what’s in the Senate bill right now. Get it passed with 60 votes, send it to Conference, and make all the changes the Dems want. Then all they need then is a majority of the House and Senate and we’re screwed. We’re screwed anyway but what the hell. The buffoons in Washington (every last one of them) need to be shown the door in 2010 and 2012. Bankrupting the nation should be a treasonable offense, in my humble opinion. Our debt is so huge there’s no way to get out from under it. Our kids will have to learn Chinese quickly because the Chinese will own us lock stock and barrel very soon. Timothy says: November 21, 2009 at 2:05 pm Liberman, Lincoln and Nelson all sell out. Lets see if this is fillabustered on the final vote. Liberman and group “says” they won’t vote for the bill if it has a public option, but will they support a fillabuster in the final vote? HMMMMMMMMM. All is takes is ONE. Methinks not in my opinion. They’ll vote “yes” to allow debate (the dems have the votes to pass this if it came to a vote) but then vote “no” in the final vote….and will try to spin it as though their consciouses are clean (helping Dems the front end, yet looking “principled” on the back end). URI says: November 21, 2009 at 5:13 pm If the vote passes which seems inminent tonight, we will be starting , officially, the USSA. The sad thing is that nobody cares. There are more protesters at UCLA and Berkeley for tuition rate increases than protesters in the Capitol demonstrating against the Health Care Bill. So many Americans have given up, starting with those discusting polititians that we have in that dirty city of Washington DC. Selling Americans for a fist full of dollars. Ps: It just passed 60-39 Sid says: November 21, 2009 at 5:49 pm The whore of Louisiana sold her vote for more national debt. She will play her politics and vote against the bill and won’t allow a filibuster, then she’ll tell us dumb coonasses that she voted as we wanted her to vote. And the sad thing is there are alot that will believe her. The end is near unless we can throw out as many of these self erving bums as possible in 2010. American Voter says: November 21, 2009 at 8:20 pm More than just the “Louisiana Purchase”. . It would then seem this type of “disaster relief” funds also go for: -Mississippi (Katrina) -Texas (Ike) -Midwest States – devastated by recent devastating flooding -California – areas wiped out by wildfires -etc, etc, etc Is this fair to US Samoa – tsunami disaster area? (BTW when is Barry going to visit this US territory so devasted by the natural disaster?) The expenditures/taxation will never end. . .the bill also includes language that will exempt certain states from immediate taxes toward the bill — ie Nevada, other blue states — as written in/publicized by Harry Reid a few weeks ago. The average citizen will have to get a second job just to pay all the new taxes, higher insurance costs. . .if there are any jobs left. Sid says: November 21, 2009 at 8:47 pm And the Amish will go to jail because they do not havwe insurance and won’t be getting it, sounds constitutional to me. Patvann says: November 21, 2009 at 10:18 pm Aye. I wasn’t around when Larry presented his friend’s situation, but even in light of the harsh words I’ve recently had with Larry, I will never doubt that he would do the right thing for those he calls his friends. I think he’s wrong in many things, and I think he’s got ego-issues, but I will not say he doesn’t have a heart. In my opinion an apology is in order here. CaptSteve says: November 22, 2009 at 6:22 am Well, the vote’s done and we’re screwed unless someone somewhere takes this to the Supremes. This whole thing is unconstitutional and should be reviewed by the Court. If they ok it, then we really will be the USSA forever. Ben Nelson lives here in my county in Nebraska. We’ll be keeping a close eye on him. In this morning’s Omaha World Herald, Nelson states that he can’t support the bill as it is now. He has a so-called “wish list” of things that must be removed. Ha. He will vote against the bill when it comes out of conference but, since it will only need 50 votes, all of his BS bluster is meaningless. Another Democratic trick to woo the people into believing he is “on their side”. BS BS BS Missy says: November 22, 2009 at 6:38 am @CaptSteve: The hound dog from Nevada still needs 60 votes to stop debate, if he doesn’t get that he won’t be able to take it to conference so you still have time to give Sen. Nelson an earful. My fear is they will go against Senate rules and implement the nuclear option where I think they only will need 51 votes. That gives the fence sitters an out, they will be able to vote nay on stopping debate and still come out smelling like a rose letting their colleagues do the dirty work. Should you call your senator, tell him you are on to that trick too. American Voter says: November 22, 2009 at 7:03 am Think your Senators are jerks???. . .here is NC Senator Kay Hagan’s feelings about “right-wingers”. . .she is earning the nickname Senator One-Term. Clearly, a politician that wants to lead but does not like people. . .unless they are SEIU or ACORN members. The only reason she won last fall — she was in the middle of a perfect storm for Dem candidates. . .she is delusional. ——————————————————————————————– The is Senator Kay Hagan’s (Libtard-NC) email Dear Friend, Imagine a battalion of right-wingers, tea partiers and ultraconservatives being elected and descending on Washington in January 2011. Not a pretty picture is it? Unfortunately, it could happen. The Republicans are hungrier than ever before. They want to win and will stop at nothing to get what they want. Not only that, they are more extreme than ever before, so the consequences of inaction are all the more dire. If they win in 2010, we will have a whole new crop of conservatives trying to take our country in the wrong direction. We cannot let that happen. We must take action now before it is too late. We are less than a year away from Election Day, so what we do today will make all the difference in November. The best thing for you to do is give now to the DSCC, so we can build our forces for the upcoming battle. Click here to donate $5 or more to the DSCC. We must raise $266,000 by Nov. 30 to make sure we have the funds to fight the GOP and win on Election Day 2010. I know first-hand what it is like when the extreme right comes after you with vicious personal attacks. I have seen the way they make up lies to suit their agenda, having no qualms about sullying a person’s good name with deceitful tactics. When it happened to me in 2008, an immediate two-prong attack swung into action. I did not let a single charge go unanswered, nor did the DSCC. We both went on the offensive, and with your help, the right was defeated, and I was able to win the election. Now it is time to do it again. We have a clear path to victory: Answer every attack, stay strong and raise a lot of money. But the only way we can do it is with your help. Give as much as you can to the DSCC today so we have the resources we need to hold onto our Senate seats and defeat the extremist Republican agenda. We must raise $266,000 by Nov. 30 to fight the GOP and win on Election Day 2010. We both know what we have to do. Like I said, I have been through this before. The good news is, I won. We will win again. All it takes is your help. Sincerely, Kay Hagan CaptSteve says: November 22, 2009 at 7:19 am @Missy: I am assuming that Dirty Harry will not hesitate to use the nuclear option, thus the need for a simple majority allowing Sen Nelson to say “I voted for it before I voted against it” ala John Kerry (who only spent 4 months in country in Nam)…. Joanne says: November 22, 2009 at 10:40 am Larry, I commented on something I had no prior knowledge of. I would like to extend an apology to you. Joanne Mike's America says: November 22, 2009 at 10:53 am @Joanne: Don’t let that stop you Joanne. Larry does the same thing all the time. @CaptSteve: That nuke option could be a problem. I doubt they will try it but if they get desperate enough they might. If they do, I hope our side is ready to use it’s own hardball tactics and not back down. MataHarley says: November 22, 2009 at 9:12 pm Mike’sA: Don’t let that stop you Joanne. Larry does the same thing all the time. No, Mike. While I disagree with Larry 98% of the time, I have not seen where he has accused anyone of willfully deserting a friend to a death sentence sans lifting a finger. Perhaps you’ll link to such for us? pdill says: November 23, 2009 at 2:08 am As one who has been on the receiving end of Larry’s friendship for almost 30 years, failure to publicly defend him against libelous rhetoric would be unconscionable. On many political/social issues, we are often further apart than Venus and Mars. When it comes to medicine, I’d be hard pressed to recommend a more ethical, brilliant, and altruistic oncologist and researcher. Outside of my own family, I’d be just as hard pressed to come with a person more dedicated to family and friends, including his generosity to Gary. I’ve also had the great privilege to have worked with Larry for almost 15 years, early in his career when he was still treating patients (who BTW, were none other than our deserving Vets). I could write volumes on the positive impact Larry has made on lives, including patients who clearly would NOT be alive without him. Just yesterday one of my beloved family members was alive for the birth of a 1st grandchild, and ONLY because 20 years ago, Larry, WITHOUT CHARGE and with much involved time, expense, and effort, saved his life. Aye I was horrified to read what you wrote, and equally disappointed with Mike’s inappropriate comment. Yes, speech is free, but never without consequences. Why you two continue to get so “personally invested”, to the point of defamation, speaks not only volumes about you, but of the GOP you claim to represent. Hats off to the “grown -ups” who, despite opposing viewpoints, had the decency and maturity to defend and/or apologize. I’m just a grateful guest here myself, but if I were running the board, I throw both of you off and invite a “good liberal” to the staff. Mr. Irons says: November 23, 2009 at 5:40 am And so our esteemed Senate and Congress majority commence themselves to retreading down the path of history, yet daringly walking down a new one with each swift footstep towards maddness. They dare draft a new Navigation Act with a drop of Molases Act along with a cup of Tea Act does this make a modern day nightmare of a Bill. History is being repeated once more from the mid 1700’s and it is bothersome that our leaders have not learned of lessons past. CaptSteve says: November 23, 2009 at 6:16 am Page 2 of this morning’s Omaha World Herald (Sunday – top of the page): Headline — “Nelson: Bill needs substantial changes” Sub Headline: “The public option is a particular problem, he says”. Seems old Ben is playing his “I didn’t vote for that Bill” cards already. Attempting to distance himself from the fray and keep his cushy job with its “Cadillac” health care. This is interesting: “The health care legislation now up for debate in the Senate has serious problems, Sen Ben Nelson said Sunday on ABC’s “This Week”. “I would not let it get off the floor,: Nelson told host George Stephanopoulos . “That’s the next round.” (Must have been taped yesterday since it’s only 8:15am here in Omaha now) Well, Benny boy, we will see. Had enough angry phone calls yet? You ain’t seen nothin’ yet.