Gwynne Dyer from the Salt Lake Tribune doesn’t deny that Nidal Hasan’s faith played a role in his going
Let’s see, now. A devout Muslim officer, born in the United States but of Palestinian ancestry, is scheduled to deploy to Afghanistan in the near future. He opens fire on his fellow soldiers, shouting “Allahu akbar.” (“God is great” in Arabic.) What can his motive have been? Hard to guess, isn’t it? Was he unhappy about his promotion prospects? Hmm.
But what else does Dyer do? Blame America and the West for its campaign of warfare and persecution of Muslims:
America’s wars in Muslim lands overseas are radicalizing Muslims at home. Never mind that the home-grown Muslim terrorists who attacked the London transport system in 2005, and the various Muslim plotters who have been caught in other Western countries before their plans came to fruition, have almost all blamed the Western invasions of Muslim countries for radicalizing them.
Never mind, above all, that what really radicalized them was the fact that those invasions made no sense in terms of Western security. No Afghan has ever attacked the United States, although Arabs living in Afghanistan were involved in the planning of 9/11. There were no terrorists in Iraq, no weapons of mass destruction, and no contacts between Saddam and al-Qaida. So why did the U.S. invade those countries?
The real reasons are panic and ignorance, reinforced by militaristic reflexes and laced with liberal amounts of racism. But people find it hard to believe that big, powerful governments like those of the United States, Britain and the other Western powers involved in these foolish adventures could really be so stupid, so the conspiracy theories proliferate.
It is a testimony to the moderation and loyalty of Muslim communities in the West that so few of their members have succumbed to these conspiracy theories.
America is to blame for the dysfunction going on in the modern era of the Middle East? Racist America is “holding the Muslim man down”? American imperialism is responsible?
FA has found unclassified evidence from the U.S. Department of Defense (and hat tip to CJ, whose excellent milblog A Soldier’s Perspective is now on inactive duty) showing shocking and graphic day to day activities of the U.S. military’s campaign of aggression against Muslims:
U.S. soldier teases and mocks Afghan children:
U.S. Army Capt. Michael Wikstrom, a chaplain with Combined Security Transition Command – Afghanistan, shows Afghan children how to blow bubbles during a humanitarian aid delivery mission in Kabul, Afghanistan, July 24, 2009. (DoD photo by Senior Airman Marc I. Lane, U.S. Air Force)
U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class John Moyle, the platoon sergeant for 1st Platoon, 554th Military Police Company out of Stuttgart, Germany, gives a child a high-five while providing security during polling site assessments in the Nangarhar province of Afghanistan July 1, 2009. The unit is currently attached to Task Force Mountain Warrior, which is assessing polling sites in the province to ensure they are safe for residents. (DoD photo by Pfc. Elizabeth K. Raney, U.S. Army)
Afghan National Army commando Mohammed Jan, a Kandak commander with the 201st Corps, hands humanitarian assistance supplies to residents of a village in the Laghman province of Afghanistan May 23, 2009. The 1st Battalion, 178th Infantry Regiment, Illinois Army National Guard is working with the Afghan National Army to conduct a key leader engagement and to deliver humanitarian assistance to residents to build stronger relationships and fight insurgency. (DoD photo Spc. Jason Dorsey, U.S. Army)
U.S. Army Sgt. Juan Reyes high-fives an Iraqi boy while providing security in Sequor, Iraq, Sept. 9, 2009. Reyes is from the security detachment of 25th Special Troops Battalion, 25th Infantry Division. (DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Luke P. Thelen, U.S. Air Force)
Here we have a well-known U.S. Navy Admiral personally indoctrinating unsuspecting Afghan school girls with pro-U.S. propaganda:
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Navy Adm. Mike Mullen hands out notebooks during the opening of the Pushghar Village Girls School in the Panjshir Valley of Afghanistan July 15, 2009. The school was built by Greg Mortenson, a humanitarian and author of “Three Cups of Tea”, to promote and support community-based education for girls in remote regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. (DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Chad J. McNeeley, U.S. Navy)
U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman 3rd Class Brandon Sills hands out candy to children in the Helmand province of Afghanistan Aug. 25, 2009. Sills is attached to the battalion aid station of 3rd Battalion, 11th Marine Regiment. (DoD photo by Sgt. Christopher R. Rye, U.S. Marine Corps)
U.S. Army Command Sgt. Maj. Jimmy Carabello distributes school supplies to Afghan children during a humanitarian assistance mission at the Shigal district center in the Konar province of Afghanistan Aug. 19, 2009. Carabello is deployed with the 1st Battalion, 32nd Infantry Regiment. (DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Andrew Smith, U.S. Army)
U.S. Army Maj. Arnel David, from the 1st Infantry Division’s Federal Police Training Team, hands out clothing and toys to residents of a poor neighborhood in Baghdad, Iraq, Nov. 1, 2009. (DoD photo by Senior Airman Michael Wykes, U.S. Air Force)
U.S. Army Capt. Scott Warnke, with 4th Battalion, 23rd Infantry Regiment, shows a photograph to an Afghan child in the Anzala Khil village of Afghanistan Nov. 5, 2009. Warnke is deployed to Forward Operating Base Wolverine in the Zabul province of Afghanistan to conduct counterinsurgency operations in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. (DoD photo by Staff Sgt. Christine Jones, U.S. Air Force)
Kerry: And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the–of–the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not–
Kerry: —Iraqis should be doing that.
Here are photos of U.S. soldiers breaking “into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children”….
U.S. Army Capt. Charles Ford plays a video game with seven-year-old Wa’ad, who lost an arm and a leg to an improvised bomb, during a visit to the child’s home near Muqdadiyah, Iraq. U.S. soldiers from Hammer Company are arranging for the child to be fitted with prosthetic limbs.
An Iraqi man shows off his muscles after a house search by U.S. Army soldiers patrolling Baghdad’s Azamiyah neighborhood.
Anja Niedringhaus – AP
U.S. Soldiers with 30th Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division hand out toys to children during a human terrain team site survey mission in Kilabeen, Iraq, Sept. 15, 2009. (DoD photo by Spc. Benjamin Boren, U.S. Army)
U.S. Army Sgt. Maj. Cannaballo, from the 6th Iraqi Army Division’s Military Transition Team, interacts with Iraqi children while visiting the Al Wallah Elementary School with Iraqi soldiers in Al Hurriyah, Iraq, Oct. 25, 2009. (DoD photo by Spc. Jennifer Reed, U.S. Army)
A U.S. Soldier interacts with Iraqi children during a meeting to discuss potential medical micro-grants at the Qais Medical Clinic in the Radwaniyah area of Baghdad, Iraq, Oct. 3, 2009. The Soldier is from 1st Battalion, 150th Armor Reconnaissance Squadron, 30th Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division. (DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Edwin L. Wriston, U.S. Navy)
U.S. Army Capt. Jayne Strathe, attached to the 1314th Civil Affairs Company, 17th Fires Brigade, talks with an Iraqi child at the Hojarat School for Boys and Girls in Basra, Iraq, Nov. 5, 2009. The Hojarat School is one of the schools selected for improvements by Soldiers with the company. (DoD photo by Spc. Samantha R. Ciaramitaro, U.S. Army)
Here we see an Iraqi child, terrified, as she attempts to ward off the U.S. aggressor:
Jan. 13: A U.S. soldier plays with a young girl during a patrol in Baghdad.
Jewel Samad – AFP/Getty Images
U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Robert Hoff gives kids high-fives, during a visit to a village, in Kirkuk, Iraq, May 14, 2009. Soldiers are visiting the village to distribute school supplies to children. Hoff is attached to Charlie Troop, 4th Squadron, 9th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division out of Fort Hood, Texas. (U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Gustavo Olgiati, U.S. Army)
U.S. Army Sgt. Craig Wayman puts eye drops into an Iraqi girl’s eye during a combined medical evaluation in a village in Kirkuk, Iraq, on May 7, 2009. Wayman is a combat medic attached to Charlie Troop, 4th Squadron, 9th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Heavy Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division. (DoD photo by Sgt. Gustavo Olgiati, U.S. Army)
In the following photo, we see a U.S. soldier do the despicable:
U.S. Army Master Sgt. Delano Wilson, assigned to the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, gives an Iraqi child a soccer ball May 26, 2009, during a mission to check the progress of a water compact unit project near Babil, Iraq. The completed project will provide potable water to more than 4,000 Iraqi citizens. (DoD photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Kim Smith, U.S. Navy)
It is a new low, and signals a desperation of the U.S. military as they try out a new tactic: Instead of homicide vests, they load soccer balls with explosives and then pass them off to unsuspecting/unwilling suicide bombers.
Secret photo source
Secret photo source
How do U.S. soldiers get a hold of so many soccer balls to begin with? Quite simply, they steal them from the Iraqis before rigging them with explosives through a mission directive known as Operation Soccer Ball.
Here are a couple of photo leaks of the soccer thieves in action:
A U.S. soldier plays soccer with a boy at the Al zawra club in Baghdad November 26, 2007.
REUTERS/Mahmoud Raouf Mahmoud
A U.S. Army soldier plays soccer with an Iraqi boy while on patrol in Baghdad’s Azamiyah neighborhood.
Anja Niedringhaus – AP
An U.S. soldier from 1st Platoon, Bravo Company (Bulldogs), 1-502 Infantry Battalion, kicks a soccer ball to an Iraqi boy while he patrols the Shi’ite-dominated Chercook neighbourhood in Baghdad’s Khadamiya district, May 10, 2008.
Not content with beating Iraqis on the field of battle, this U.S. soldier has to humiliate Muslims in a game of foosball:
A U.S. soldier plays foosball with residents by the side of a road in Baghdad’s Adhamiya district July 10, 2008.
Afghan boys react as they play a game of marbles with a U.S. officer with Alpha Company, 32nd Infantry Regiment (not pictured) in the village of Damman, Kunar Province, eastern Afghanistan February 16, 2009.
A boy shakes hands with a U.S. soldier at the end of the opening ceremony of a playground which was renovated by U.S. forces in Baghdad’s al-Harthiya district, November 6, 2008.
Beanie Babies are another popular weapon in the arsenal of the U.S. military.
Happy recipient of beanie baby
Nothing quite like seeing a U.S. soldier armed to the teeth, with three beanie babies to unload upon unsuspecting Iraqi children:
(Photo source and story)
Iraqi children proudly show the stuffed toys they received through Beanies for Baghdad. The program, started in 2003 by a soldier deployed to serve in Operation Iraqi Freedom, has sent more than 1 million toys to children in Iraq and Afghanistan. Courtesy photo
This U.S. soldier is infecting this innocent Iraqi child with U.S. cooties:
REUTERS/Mahmoud Raouf Mahmoud
Iraqi children are currently suffering from a cooties epidemic at levels unheard of since Operation Iraqi Freedom began.
U.S. Army Sgt. Mark Davenport holds a child while on patrol in the Taji Qada, northwest of Baghdad, May 16, 2008. Davenport is the senior medic assigned to the 25th Infantry Division’s Company A, 1st Battalion, 27th Infantry Regiment “Wolfhounds,” 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team “Warrior,” Multinational Division Baghdad.
U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Brad Willeford
Apparently, there have been some reports of U.S. soldiers forcing Iraqi children into the role of indentured servant. FA has found the physical proof:
A young boy feeds a U.S. Army soldier during a New Year’s Eve party for orphans and poor children in a suburb of the Iraqi capital of Baghdad December 31, 2003.
Maj. Tracy Fong, officer for the 13th Corps Support Command Civil Affairs, plays with an Iraqi boy. (US Army photo by Spc. Blanka Stratford)
The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq, and many Iraqi boys dream of becoming American soldiers. Yes, young Iraqi boys know about “GoArmy.com.”–Michael Yon
We’ve all heard about how al Qaeda recruits children. Did you know our U.S. forces are doing the same? Here we see an Afghan boy testing out a new chemical weapon provided to him by the U.S. military:
A U.S. Soldier with the Nangahar Provincial Reconstruction Team plays with an Afghan child June 4, 2009, during a mission to deliver medical and school supplies to women and children in the Behsood District Women’s Prison in the Nangarhar province of Afghanistan. Silly string can be so much fun! (DoD photo by Spc. Nathaniel Allen, U.S. Army)
The following two photos made frontpage headlines around the world a few years ago, as clear evidence of how U.S. soldiers utilize Iraqi children as human shields:
A boy seeks shelter behind a U.S. soldier as gunshots ring out following a car bomb explosion in Baghdad. At least 21 were killed in the bombing and 66 wounded, police and hospital officials said.
Khalid Mohammed- AP
This photo, which appeared on the front page of this morning’s edition of The New York Times, shows an Iraqi boy taking cover behind a U.S. soldier as civilians fled the sound of gunshots following a suicide bombing yesterday in central Baghdad that killed at least 21 people and wounded 66 others.Photo taken by Khalid Mohammed, AP
And more photos here and here and here.
These must be the photos of Muslim abuse that drove Nidal Hasan to massacre his fellow U.S. soldiers (or I suppose the non-graphic “retelling” of such abuse and violence, driving him into anti/pre-traumatic stress/violence disorder). Allah be praised! Hasan has done right, defending his fellow Muslims from such Crusader aggression. As Amy Proctor points out:
The discussion is about Muslim soldeirs troubled by fighting in Middle Eastern countries. Well, that should raise red flags to the military. WE’RE FIGHTING TERRORISTS AND IMPOSTER MUSLIMS, not good devout law abiding Muslims. Why would a Muslim soldier have a consciencious objection to fighting Muslim heretics who kill women and children, who behead and rape? They shouldn’t unless they are sympathetic to their cause. THAT IS CAUSE FOR ALARM.
Who uses the mentally handicapped to carry out suicide bombings?
Who uses human shields?
Who fights from behind mosques?
Who organized the rape of 80 women to recruit them as suicide bombers?
Who recruited 24 children to act as homicide bombers?
Who is accused of baking children and then serving them up to the parents?
Who is committing Muslim on Muslim violence? Muslims in the U.S. military or al Qaeda and the Taliban?
Because of current difficulties in trying to help a fledgling democracy take root in Afghanistan, people blame the U.S. for the corruption of Karzai’s government and the suffering of the Afghan people. Because Iraq isn’t transformed over night into a stable, functioning democracy, people blame the U.S., forgetting the decades of suffering Iraqis suffered under the brutality of Saddam and his muderous sons.
It’s funny to hear lefties call Karzai a “U.S. puppet” when he’s acting in ways we don’t approve of. Do we have influence? Sure. But Afghanistan has sovereignty over its own self-determination. Let’s not forget that Afghanistan in the previous 20 years suffered under the Soviets and the Taliban governance. Today, there is a promise and potential for a brighter future. That’s thanks to the overthrow of the Taliban in 2001. Today, Iraq is on the path to a brighter and more prosperous future. That’s thanks to the overthrow of Saddam.
Nothing is guaranteed and it is up to Iraqis and Afghans themselves to take the opportunity they have been given today, to make that bright future into a present-day reality.
What is needed in the Muslim world is not blame, conspiracies, misperceptive propaganda, and the mentality of victimhood.
Jean-Francois Revel, in his 2002 book Anti-Americanism, writes:
But the truth is that the United States’ actions historically have been far less damaging to Muslim interests than the actions of Britain, France, or Russia. These European powers have conquered Muslim countries, occupied and indeed oppressed them over decades and even centuries. American, on the other hand, have never colonized a Muslim nation. Americans evince no hostility towards Islam as such today; on the contrary, their interventions in Somalia, Bosnia and Kosovo, as well as the pressure exerted on the Macedonian government, were designed to defend Muslim minorities. And the coalition of twenty-eight countries, led by the United States, that removed the Iraqi army from Kuwait was formed at the request of the Saudis, who feared what the Butcher of Baghdad might do next; so here again the Americans and their allies were defending a small Muslim country against a secular dictator who had used chemical weapons against the Muslim Shi’ites in the south and the Muslim Kurds in the north. It is strange that America-hating Muslims see nothing disturbing in the fact that Iraq, with a largely Muslim population, has attacked Muslim countries- first Iran in 1981, then Kuwait in 1990- in primitively imperialistic and bellicose fashion. Likewise in Algeria, Muslims have been massacring their coreligionists since 1990.
The greatest killer of Muslims are other Muslims.
America was not the historical cause of the emergence of Israel, which arose as a result of endemic European anti-Semitism. And Muslims may perhaps remember that in 1956 it was the United States’ unilateral intervention that stopped the Anglo-French-Israeli military operations in Egypt during the Suez Crisis.
Another myth that has been strenuously maintained since September 11 is that of a moderate and tolerant Islam.
Barack Obama perpetuates the belief.
The burden of proof that “Islam is a religion of peace” is upon its practitioners- both “moderates” and “extremists”. Not on the rest of the world.
You, too, can personally help U.S. soldiers terrorize innocent children all over the world. Just go here.
“Every purple finger is a bullet in the chest of terrorism.”
A former fetus, the “wordsmith from nantucket” was born in Phoenix, Arizona in 1968. Adopted at birth, wordsmith grew up a military brat. He achieved his B.A. in English from the University of California, Los Angeles (graduating in the top 97% of his class), where he also competed rings for the UCLA mens gymnastics team. The events of 9/11 woke him from his political slumber and malaise. Currently a personal trainer and gymnastics coach.
The wordsmith has never been to Nantucket.
My cousin is a Colonel in the Army. She has been in for over 25 years. She is a medical doctor, and a veterinarian. She was the one in charge of re-building the Iraqi Zoo. She was the one who asked me to to go under-cover to help smuggle evidence of mass-rapes out of Darfur, when she was attached to the UN. (Which went nowhere.)
She is now in charge of quality-assurance for all the food and drink our guys get in the fields of battle.
In other words, she is my hero.
During the hight-of-hate by the Liberal-Left in 2005, I was talking with her and venting about it all. Loudly and vociferously, I assure you…
She told me something I will never forget:
“Patrick, what these assholes will never get, is that the US warrior is the most liberal person these poor bastards here have ever met, or probably ever will. Overall they are loved here, and I know of at least 10 Iraqis families who have named their children after our soldiers who died protecting them.”
I broke down weeping after that.
Correction to my post. Tamara was made a Colonel last spring.
i will have to see it again a few more times because i start to cry and could not continue,america the best to all,thank you.
Patvann, thanks for sharing that.
This is (or was before 2008 elections) the land of the free and the home of the brave. This country was founded because of religious persecution and as a reult, we have the most diverse religous cultures on the planet.
My advice to those who want to feel persecuted – GET OUT!
Boy, these people are really terrible. Just look at the terror on the faces of those children. Most kids should be so scared. God bless all of you!
Wheww! Kinda makes a guy a little weak inside.
How convenient! There happens to be a photographer around at just the right heart wrenching moments. Strange none of them happened to be around for the ~100,000 Iraqi or ~7,000 Afghan civilian deaths since our involvement.
Guess Ringo’s selective logic diseased brain kept him from being concerned about the hundreds and hundreds of photos taken which document the aftermath of the thousands of insurgents bombs going off in markets, schools, public gatherings where they killed their fellow citizens(aka men, women, children). And what of those hundreds killed weekly worldwide by Muslim Jihadis in countries where there are no US troops? No chance they are actually killing their own people in order to dominate them with their religious tyranny right? And what stupid reasoning will you have for the bad guys who continue to kill their fellow citizens in Iraq after we are gone? Too bad no photographers were around while Saddam and his thugs killed an average of 25,000 Iraqi’s every year(UN estimate). Too bad your statistics don’t also include the fact that 96%-98% of those death were caused and committed by insurgents and their sympathizers. See where selective logic gets you? No where near a truthful perspective.
Ringo, people like you don’t get it and never will. Read the article again.
The American Fighting Man and Women are some of the finest people ever to grace this planet. They protect your ungrateful ass every minute of every day. Just because you have the American Self Loathing Liberal Syndrome doesn’t mean the rest of us have to agree with your pablum.
Looks like Greg and USMCdaughter1 reeled one in, Aye (reference comment #1).
Most of the photos come from DoD, taken by military photographers…of course it’s pushing a perspective! You’re on a pro-American conservative blog. Duh! But the photo-ops, both candid moments and posed for, is a far cry from the staged fauxtography propaganda.
Riiiight….an AP photographer just happened to be in the right place at the right time to capture this:
Must be an elaborately staged hoax with many players, including the boy and the soldier in the photo as paid actors. Or perhaps it’s photoshopped? Why don’t you conduct a fauxtography investigation of your own, Ringo? Prove this isn’t genuine. Prove an Iraqi boy would not run toward a U.S. soldier for protection and cover. He knows who the real peacemaker and good guy is and who the bad guys are. Why don’t you?
Who uses the mentally handicapped to carry out suicide bombings?
Who uses human shields?
Who fights from behind mosques?
Who organized the rape of 80 women to recruit them as suicide bombers?
Who recruited 24 children to act as homicide bombers?
Who is accused of baking children and then serving them up to the parents?
Who is committing violence against Muslims? Who is out there protecting innocent Muslim civilians? Rebuilding hospitals, mosques, schools, infrastructure?
U.S. Navy Seabees and Army soldiers work on a construction project in Kandahar province, Afghanistan, Sept. 25, 2009. The Seabees are assigned to the Naval Mobile Construction Battalion 22, and the soldiers are assigned to 4th Engineer Battalion.
U.S. Navy photo by Petty Officer 1st Class Kenneth
There just “happened” to be photographers here, too. Watch all 4, then go to hell.
I would ask everyone to make sure children are not in the room when watching these films of how great it was in Iraq before our nasty military screwed it all up….
These guys and gals are heros 24/7.
In the meantime Obummer,Rhambo and Ringo run their rat trails on their ratty little missions
What will the America hating, military hating Ringos do if this country is ever invaded?
You think it isn’t possible? Let’s say a C in C breaks the country financially, demoralizes a skeleton military, and makes a public apathetic toward our freedoms and our country.
Yes a President like the man child we have now, the citizen of the world with his confused dreams of Marxism.
Will you stand along highways I10, I70, and I80 and throw out flowers in front of their convoys and welcome soldiers who understand you and love you. Good luck with your fantasy, our enemies are not interested in trusting degenerate scum turncoats, they will shoot you the instant you no longer serve a purpose for them. They have no use for spineless wimps, you might as well use your body to grease their tank treads, that is about the most useful you and yours can be for them Ringo.
I hope the scenario never happens, but if it does, I will enjoy watching you spineless bast@rds and your Marxist Leader, Fearless Reader, reaping the rewards you so actively dream of from a distance.
USMC Daughter, I love that Molly Pitcher attitude, you have made my day, thank you. Skook.
That’s a very dreamy scenario you’ve depicted, and I have one for you too. Controlled by fear, and blinded by overblown patriotism we support a warmongering President, and through his single mindedness he sees war and aggression as the only answer. He starts an oxymoronic “War on Terrorism” and his constituents, bent on vengeance, eat it up. Overtime the death toll rises, even though most are not due to any fault of ours, more and more outraged and mislead faces look our direction for revenge. In the end our country is broke, headed down hill, and, through our aggression and warmongering, we are surrounded by more enemies than friends. Good thing its all fictional. Oh wait…
i came back to finsh what i left because my eyes where filled with tears,thank you.
Yeah Ringo, and now with the “sort of like god” in charge, how do our friends view us?
C-mon punk HOW DO THEY VIEW US?
Hmm name calling, I like your tactic. There’s no better way to show off your intelligence and maturity.
Ringo, the mantra of the Bill Ayers Resistance people were chanting, “better Red than dead.” I assume they believed it, however these Red governments including the one Fearless Reader is trying to bring about here have no room for people who aren’t willing to sacrifice themselves for the common good. In the 60’s so called radicals seemed like cowards because they were unwilling to risk their lives for their country, in their own words they were ready to give up everything to be a communist and live. Those are not the people the Communists want, they will grind them into the roads. Communists are expected to sacrifice their well being and their very life at any time, resistance means a bullet in the back of the head, a bullet your family will be expected to reimburse the state for, like in China. Unless your family wants you to be strangled, they must come up with sixty cents for two pistol rounds or you get the garrote.
There is no safe easy way out in a confrontation, when I said that I will be watching from a distance, I was dead serious. There are many here and on other web sites who will never submit to the Communist yoke, who will never climb on trucks or trains, who will never kneel nor allow the chains of slavery to be locked on wrists and ankles. You see some of us carry weapons and know how to use the rifles that reach way out there and it is our resolve that says they may take us down, but they will pay dearly for our position. This armed and dedicated civilian population is one reason the Japanese didn’t try a West Coast invasion in 42. Yet, if the Great Opologist gets his way and disarms us, we will be that much weaker in the eyes of our enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Communism is a political ideology that I believe belongs in the philosophy books with Anarchy and out of poli sci textbooks. It doesn’t work and it never will; it is incompatible with human nature and our God given right to freedom. But with that said, I’m afraid I have missed your point.
Still waiting for quotes Ringo. You P.O.S.
I’m not so sure what quotes your demanding, but these are funny.
“The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers?” -Pat Robertson
“They would have us believe that Islam is just as good as Christianity. Christianity was founded by the virgin-born son of God, Jesus Christ. Islam was founded by Muhammad, a demon-possessed pedophile who had 12 wives, the last one of which was a nine-year-old girl.” -Jerry Vines
“There is only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons… use them” -Rush Limbaugh
“Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.”-Ann Coulter
“Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of ‘kill everyone who doesn’t smell bad and doesn’t answer to the name Mohammed'” -Ann Coulter
Do you support President Obama’s initial troop increase? His continuation of Predator drone attacks, which has surely led to collateral damages?
Where’s your proof? It’s a caricature you have there, driven by perception and image. Diplomacy abounded during the Bush years.
I think like so many, you misunderstand the war. You also misunderstand the motives of what the Administration was trying to accomplish. They were not at all bent on revenge.
If you think only narrowing the focus to al Qaeda and a strictly law enforcement solution to the problem is the answer, you’re mistaken. We failed to connect the dots, pre-9/11, in part, because we treated each terror act as a separate case, rather than using the terror incident to pursue more cells and uncover future plots.
Military means isn’t the only solution; but when you have state-sponsors of terrorism involved and failed diplomacy (tried for 12 years with Saddam’s Iraq), sometimes war is the answer.
Like Nidal Hasan? Whose misguided beliefs and misplaced anger should be directed at the actual killers of innocent Muslims…..ain’t us.
Then I hope you’re out there stopping President Obama from bankrupting our nation.
We are?! Now who’s fear-mongering?
@Ringo #24: Please elaborate on the humor. I’d love to hear your take on each of your quotes.
I’m going to go nuke up some popcorn, in the meantime.
Quotes from our friends about how much better we are, now that your “sort of like god” is here to save our amortal souls. You P.O.S.
Patvann, first of all who are you quoting when you keep saying “sort of like god?” Second of all nobody said anything at all about how much better off we are, in fact I’m not so sure your even reading the same thread. I would recommend you start taking notes from this wordsmith fellow who actually brings relevant material to the table. A 2 year old can avoid presenting a valid argument by calling names, but hey good try maybe when your older you’ll get it. I think its time you and your over active imagination should hit the sack, I’m sure its past your bed time.
The humor can be found in laughing at the speakers of the quotes. I find it funny people can be serious as they say such things. It’s the kind of humor where you shake your head as you laugh and say “I’m embarrassed for the both of us.”
Can you please elaborate on the humor, though? For us wingnuts who might agree with said quotes, we might be blind to what you perceive here.
Take the first one, for instance:
Please explain. Spell it out to me, like you’re talking to someone who is honestly ignorant on the subject matter.
Waiting to hear from Ringo – popcorn almost halfway done here. I love it when the self-loathing liberals get their dander up, peering condescendingly down their noses over their spectacles at us…deign to educate we the unwashed masses 😉
What a hoot!
I would say Pat is in the wrong to take what a group of Arabs did hundreds of years ago, who happened to practice Islam, and connect it to the entire religion of Islam and use it to justify its complete rejection. It would be like me saying, “the christian people, the KKK, were the ones who lynched blacks and hung them. Why would people in America want to embrace the religion of murderers?”
Now I hope you can see the fallacy in that statement and recognize how ridiculous it is.
Furthermore, I perceive this as an attempt to remove the blame of slavery from us Christians. He asks why would people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers yet there were plenty of Christians who owned slaves and were absolutely fine with it. So does that make Christianity a religion of slavers too Pat?
I haven’t looked up the context of the quote, in which it was said; I’m also not familiar with where Pat Robertson stands on the issue of Islam, in general. But taking the quote at face value, what I came away with wasn’t a statement condemning Islam today (or at least, not the whole of its practitioners), but a statement in pointing out that the majority of those involved in the slave trade were those who practiced Islam. They hold a 1300 year history of it and enslaved many more blacks than did the New World.
I have a different take: Perhaps it’s that Pat Robertson is attempting to “set the record straight” in not attributing unique blame on America’s slavery past. It was only through Christians that the first anti-slavery movement in the world began.
While we don’t share unique blame in the history of slavery- practiced for 2,000 years- Christians do deserve unique credit for the beginning of its demise as an institution.
You might find the comment section of this post quite interesting.
How’s the popcorn? 😉
Nobody is denying that some Arabs were slavers, or as were Asians, or Europeans, or Americans. I’m not saying that Americans are uniquely to blame either. Everyone is too blame, you cant just dump the blame on the Arabs. The key here is the last sentence, Pat has no right, and is completely wrong to use these instances of Arabs as grounds to reject Islam. What a group of Arabs did a long time ago does not justify condemning the religion of Islam as a whole.
I see a bit of your point; however, much of the “radicalism” we see today from takfiri terrorists who romanticize and long for a return to the height of Islam’s glorious past, and much of the “backwardness” of other Muslims stuck in the 7th and 12th centuries rather than embrace modernity, can be traced back to a denial of any wrong-doing in their distant and near past, and in its current present. The “extremists” and fundamentalists who have embraced wahhibsm, salafism, Qutb and al Qaeda theologians believe Muslims today are in the state they are in because they have strayed from strict adherence to Sharia and Islam; that they have strayed from their past.
I think Islam’s practitioners are varied and that most are peaceful and just want to go about their business- not out seeking ways to subjugate non-Muslims by conversion or by the sword. But there is a sizable minority- say even 1 to 10% of 1.5 billion- who are posing a violent, intolerant problem to the world, and to their fellow Muslims and secular Muslim states that they live under.
We hold ourselves accountable to our past, hanging our heads in shame over slavery, treatment of Native Americans, racism today, etc.
Many Muslims don’t. They live in denial of relationship to their brethren who act violently in the name of their religion, rather than take ownership of the problem. Or, they act as enablers, apologists, and sympathizers, thereby becoming part of the problem rather than part of the solution.
No matter what time or what religion you examine there will always be radicalism and extremists, and in mostly all the cases the most extreme tend to know the least about the religion they are contorting to justify their actions and beliefs. I agree with what you are saying, and I am saying that religion should not be tied in with these nutcases like I believe Pat Robertson is attempting to do with his last sentence. As for your last paragraph, I know few Muslims and cannot comment, but will say that it is their stubbornness and the individual who is to blame and not the religion.
Ignorance might have been a better word than stubbornness, or maybe both.
There are extremists (fanatics) in all religions; but it’s the extremists in only one of the 3 major religions who is out there killing in the name of God and his Prophet. Do you see any Jewish homicide bombers? When was the last time you saw Christian leaders issue a “fatwa” on Bill Maher? Or riot and kill in the streets over “Danish cartoons” or Piss Christ? The director of the movie 2012 tempered his film so as not to antagonize Muslims with the destruction of Mecca and Medina; however, he had no qualms over showing other religious sites that hold deep meaning for Christians and Jews being wiped from the face of the earth. Why do you suppose this is? The director was honest enough to admit why Islam was excluded.
Please don’t try to give moral equivalence by using abortion bombers (rare, and roundly condemned by most Christians) and Timothy McVeigh (who didn’t act in the name of Christ) as examples of Christian dysfunction and extremist violence. There’s no comparison.
Islam has a problem. You can find some of the problem within the writings of the Koran. (Jihadis are getting their inspiration from modern works, like the writings of Sayyid Qutb, as much as from the Koran, giving them justifications in killing other Muslims, suicide bombings when the Koran forbids suicide, etc). And when we make excuses for it, live in denial of the existence of those passages that enable and endorse violence, and when we seek to remove the faith as playing a significant part in the radicalization of its worshippers, in the Islamic terrorism and cultural dysfunction worldwide, then we will never be able to help solve the problem. Nor will we be able to prevent the next Nidal Hasan.
Islam is at the heart of this. And I say this, knowing good Muslims and practitioners of Islam who truly believe it to be a religion of peace; as well as being its practitioners for peace.
However, when you write,
I’d say that a significant number of Islam’s practitioners are either ignorant or in denial of aspects of their religious faith and what’s writ in the Koran and Hadith that endorses violent action.
Good Muslims need to confront and come to terms with the reality; and either abandon the faith altogether; or reform it to be compatible with the modern world (in which case, the Spencerian scholars will tell you it is then no longer “Islam”).
In Islam’s case, it might well be that it is the “most extreme” who know most about “true” Islam, as it’s historically been.
The popularity to use Islam as an excuse for violence and the murder of innocents has only come about recently compared to its long life span. If there really was something wrong with Islam why haven’t the mass killings of innocent lives been consistent throughout the thousands of years. If there really were something wrong with Islam then you would expect violence to be most prevalent in the areas where the greatest concentration of Muslims are; however, this is not the case. The majority of violence comes from the middle east and Arabs while the largest concentrations of Muslims are in China and India. Maybe it is a question of region and not religion.
If you pick and choose passages from our own Bible you will find passages that enable and endorse violence too. Joshua’s genocide of the Canaanites, the prophets questionable behavior ranging from adultery to murder, and massacre of idol worshipers are all justified in the bible when taken out of context.
Sorry, its too late for me to look up the direct references but with the right mindset its possible to justify just about anything from the Bible when you don’t accept it as a whole.
I would have to disagree and say Islam is not the problem but the contorted beliefs of its followers.
Maybe it’s a question of governance within a region or state. Extremists co-opt weak Islamic states, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chad, Sudan. Islamic countries with stable governments, have governed radical elements with a firm hand but don’t seem to care what they are doing in the name of Islam as long as they are doing it somewhere else. Yet some of these stable countries, to this day accept centuries old practices such as, stoning, honor killing, execution of homosexuals, execution of rape victims, mutilation, all practiced in the name of Islam. Violent, contorted?
You may find the entire transcript of interest, excerpted from:
Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam?
by Raymond Ibrahim
Middle East Quarterly
Here you go:
@Ringo: Read back through my comments, carefully. You might be talking a little past me, as you and I don’t differ when it comes to the belief that most Muslims are not a terror threat.
That’s because the “global jihad movement” has only arisen within the last 40 years or so. The popularity to excuse Islam, and let it off the hook, has also arisen in wake of the backlash against the religion of Islam as a result of worldwide Islamic terror. It’s a pandemic problem.
Islam has a bloody and violent history that is not the same as Christianity and Judaism. It has a uniqueness all its own that should not be ignored, as it is the fuel that drives, in large measure, the “jihad” movement as well as the intolerance and rigidity of the fundamentalists for anything that lives outside of governance under Sharia. (Re: Missy’s comment #41 and link, above).
In the last 1400 years there have always been wannabe Great Mahdis and zealots who declared jihad. But, as I suggested earlier, the global jihad movment is a recent phenomenon (although Islamic imperialism and aggression is not, as Islam at one time conquered 2/3rds of the known Christian world) as a result of the last 100 years of “failed” Muslim states in terms of corrupt political systems and abject poverty amongst the majority populace. This is just the latest wave. Islamists seek to scapegoat “the West”, and the world at large, rejecting modernity and globalization in a desire to return the Islamic world to some mythical “golden age” by restoring the Caliphate and governance under strict adherence to Islamic Law.
Dr. Fadl and Sayyid Qutb are among those Islamic scholars who wrote influential works that inspired the current Islamist Jihad movement (as Ibn Taymiyyah inspired Islamists centuries earlier and Muhammad ibn ‘Abd al-Wahhab in the 18th).
The rise of Shi’a Islamic militancy in Iran is also a religiously-driven problem.
I think Indonesia has the largest concentration of Muslims within a country. China and India (which in general have the largest populations in the world) have their own domestic terrorism issues by Islamic separatist groups. Are they fueled by the jihadi mindset? Or is their insurgent acts of terror separate? Perhaps some mixture of relationship?
There is plenty of dysfunction going on in the Muslim world; and what is the common underlying thread that they all share in common? Islam. Excusing the religion of its culpability does not help it. Letting Islam off the hook does not foster the confidence that Islam is indeed a “religion of peace”. Only acknowledgment and confrontation of those who murder in its name will achieve the non-stereotype and more positive image of a mature religion that can coexist in the modern world with other faiths.
Can you not see how your earlier quote which you found so humorously misguided is not so innaccurate at all:
To be more specific, she is not talking about generic terrorist acts, but Islamic terrorism that targets victims, globally in a push against the modern world and globalization.
In the case of much cited from the Koran, the problem is that it is within the context. As I stated earlier as well, the jihadis are finding inspiration and rationale that goes beyond just what they can find within the Koran, but by wahhabi reformists and influential Islamic scholars who have interpreted for them, what Islam is.
This is why I don’t think you are reading me carefully. We are not in disagreement that it is “contorted” belief if not “distorted” belief amongst radical followers of Islam who are the problem. Where we differ, is in your desire not to alienate the pacifist Muslims and non-jihadi-minded “mainstream”/”moderate” Muslims by not holding Islam itself (at least in some measure) accountable for the violence done by those who claim to do it in its name, every bit as much as the peaceful Muslims who insist that Islam is a “religion of peace”.
Both views can and do have merit; but which side will win out in its definition? Who is hijacking whose religion?
they are kept ignorant and program to only what they want them to know hate and kill no emotions no concience those individuals are not one person they are made monster by the leader be it imans or war mongering islamist,thank you.
@ Wordsmith, the popcorn was great, butter and all 🙂
I notice nothing from Ringo today …. hmmm. Just when I was thoroughly enjoying the conversation.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The American soldier is the 8th Wonder of the World and we are damned lucky that they are there for us.
Hey sorry but with my prose analysis paper due tomorrow and then exams ill be a little distracted, but i did enjoy the conversation too. Wordsmith, thanks for the distraction, really i enjoyed it. You raise a lot of good points and keep your arguments well organized and civil, unlike some people. Patvann, Fudge you
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And let’s not forget that Oscar Buonafina attempted to addict an innocent Iraqi boy to his Game Boy.
Thanks, soccer dad! I just uploaded more photos of U.S. soldiers tormenting Iraqi kids with soccer balls and beanie babies. Where is Code Pink on this? Where is World Can’t Wait Now!? They’ve been protesting this for the previous 8 years!
Thanks. Enjoyed it as well. Just to be clear, I’m still learning and evolving and am no authority on Islam. So just take my comments as opinions based upon my own research and experience.
Amen to that! The entire world is damn lucky!
During it’s existence no one group has killed more people than believers of Islam. No one has killed more Moslem’s then their co-believers. It is estimated that since it’s founding, over 250 million people have died in the name of Allah the Pagan Moon god. The following is a compendium of what their books teach about Christian. The entries pertaining to Jews is 4 times longer, and those pertaining to women, about half as long. Thomas Jefferson thought the Koran most violent thing he had ever read, and he never got around to the Haddiths.
Only Communism has come close to the level of killing, but to their discredit, they killed 200 million in less than 100 years.
The Old Testament has references to violence as well, but the Jewish leadership long ago put those entries in the context of the times, and consider those actions a sin, even if to contemplate it as presently valid.
More people died on 9/11 than died during Christianity’s Inquisition, which came about more because of the Spanish monarchy, than the Roman leadership. Other than the final (9th) Crusade, (which the members of which were excommunicated by the Pope of the time) all Crusades were defensive in-nature against Islam.
Qur’an 5:17 “Verily they are disbelievers and infidels who say, ‘The Messiah, son of Mary, is God.'”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who blaspheme and say: ‘God is Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.’ But the Messiah only said: ‘O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'”
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the People of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease.”
Ishaq:180 “According to my information, the Apostle often sat by a young Christian slave named Jabr. The Meccans said, ‘He is the one who teaches Muhammad most of what he brings.’ Then Allah revealed, Qur’an 16:103 ‘We know what they (pagans) say: “It is only a mortal man who teaches him (Muhammad). But the tongue of the man they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this (Qur’an) is pure Arabic.'”
Qur’an 72:15 “But the Qasitun (disbelievers) are the firewood of hell.”
Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.” [Another translation says:] “pay the tax in acknowledgment of our superiority and their state of subjection.”
Ishaq:552 “The Quraysh had put pictures in the Ka’aba including two of Jesus and one of Mary. Muhammad ordered that the pictures should be erased.”
Qur’an 5:14 “From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We made a covenant, but they forgot and abandoned a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, stirred up enmity and hatred among them to the Day of Doom. Soon will Allah show them the handiwork they have done.”
Qur’an 5:15 “O People of the Book! There has come to you Our Apostle, revealing to you much that you used to hide in your Scripture, suppressing and passing over much. There has come to you from Allah a (new) light (Muhammad) and a clear Book [the Qur’an].”
Qur’an 5:17 “…Say (Muhammad): ‘Who then has the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary, his mother, and everyone else on earth?”
Qur’an 5:18 “The Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.’ Say: ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins? Nay, you are but men. He forgives whom He wishes and punishes whom He pleases.'”
Qur’an 5:35 “Believers, fear Allah and seek the way to approach Him, striving hard, fighting Jihad with all your might in His Cause that you may be successful. As for the disbelievers [previously defined as Christians], if they had everything on earth, two times over, to give as ransom for the penalty of the Day of Doom, it would never be accepted from them. Theirs will be a painful torment. They will desire to get out of the fire, but they shall not be released from it. They shall have an everlasting torture.”
Qur’an 5:47 “Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any fail to judge by what Allah has revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.”
Qur’an 5:48 “To you [Christians] We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah has revealed.”
Qur’an 5:49 “And this (He commands): Judge between them by what Allah has revealed and follow not their [Christian] desires, but beware of them lest they beguile you, seducing you away from any of that which Allah hath sent down to you. And if they turn you away [from being Muslims], be assured that for their crime it is Allah’s purpose to smite them. Truly most men are rebellious.”
Qur’an 5:57 “Believers, take not for friends those who take your religion for a mockery or sport, a joke, whether among those who received the Scripture before you or among those who reject Faith; but fear Allah.”
Qur’an 5:68 “Say: ‘People of the Scripture Book! You have no ground to stand upon unless you observe the
Taurat [Torah], the Injeel [Gospel], and all the Revelation that has come to you from your Lord.’ It is certain to increase their rebellion and blasphemy. But grieve you not over unbelieving people.”
Qur’an 5:72 “…Lo! Whoever joins other gods with Allah or says He has a partner, Allah has forbidden Paradise, and the Hell Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.”
Qur’an 5:73 “They are surely disbelievers who blaspheme and say: ‘God is one of three in the Trinity for there is no Ilah (God) except One, Allah. If they desist not from saying this (blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall them – the disbelievers will suffer a painful doom.”
Qur’an 5:75 “The Messiah, Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had to eat their food. See how Allah does make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded!”
Qur’an 4:157 “‘We [Jews] killed the Messiah, Jesus,’ but they killed him not, nor crucified him. It appeared so to them (as the resemblance of Jesus was put over another man and they killed that man). Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself. Those who differ with this version are full of doubts. They have no knowledge and follow nothing but conjecture. For surely they killed him not.”
Qur’an 4:171 “O People of the Book! Do not exaggerate in your religion; nor speak lies of Allah. The Messiah, Christ Jesus, the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not ‘Trinity.’ Cease and Desist: (it is) better for you: for Allah is one Ilah (God). (Far it is removed from him of) having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. The Messiah is proud to be a slave of Allah, as are the angels, those nearest. Those who disdain His worship and are arrogant. He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer)…. He will punish with a painful doom; Nor will they find, besides Allah, any to protect or save them.”
Qur’an 4:159 “And there is none of the People of the Book but will believe in him (Jesus as only a messenger of Allah and a human being) before his (Jesus’) death. He will be a witness against them.”
Qur’an 5:77 “Say (Muhammad): ‘People of the Book, do not overstep the bounds in your religion, or follow the people who erred and led many astray. Cursed are the unbelievers among the Children of Israel by David and Jesus…. They do vile things, allying themselves with the infidels so that Allah’s indignation is upon them and in torment they will suffer for all eternity.” [Another translation reads:] “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”
Qur’an 5:80 “You see many of them allying themselves with the unbelieving infidels. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah’s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.”
Qur’an 5:81 “If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what had been revealed to him.”
Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”
Qur’an 5:110 “And God will say: ‘O Jesus! Recount My favor to you and to your mother. Behold! I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit so that you spoke to the people in the cradle and in the prime of life. Behold! I taught you the law and the judgment, the Torah and the Gospel. And behold, you made out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird and you breathed into it and it became a bird by My permission. And you healed those born blind by My permission and the lepers by My permission. And behold! You raised forth the dead by My permission. And behold! I did restrain the Jews from harming you when you came with clear proofs. And the unbelievers among the Jews said: ‘This is nothing but magic.'”
Qur’an 5:111 “Behold! I inspired the [Christian] disciples to have faith in Me and My Messenger. They said, ‘We are believers, and bear witness that we prostrate ourselves to Allah as Muslims.'”
Qur’an 5:112 “Behold! The disciples, said: ‘O Jesus, can your Lord send down to us a table well laid out from heaven?’ Said Jesus: ‘Fear Allah, if you have faith.’ When the disciples said: ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven?’ He said: “Observe your duty to Allah, if you are true believers.'”
Qur’an 5:113 “They said: ‘We only wish to eat thereof to satisfy our hearts, and to know that you have told us the truth. We want to witnesses a miracle.’ Said Jesus, the son of Mary: ‘O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table well laid out, that there may be for us a feast, a Sign from you.”
Qur’an 5:115 “Allah said: ‘I am going to send it down unto you, but if any of you after that disbelieves, resisting Faith [Islam], I will punish him with a torment such as I have not inflicted on any one of my creatures, man or jinn. I will punish them with a torment such as I have not inflicted on any one of my creatures.”
Qur’an 5:116 “And behold! Allah will say: ‘O Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?’ He will say: ‘Glory to You! Never could I utter what I had no right.”
Qur’an 5:117 “I only said what You (Allah) commanded me to say: Worship Allah, my lord and your Lord. I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them but you took me up. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world.)”
Tabari IX:15 “One of the Ansari who was plundering the slain came upon a Thaqif boy. He discovered that he was an uncircumcised Christian. He uncovered others and then yelled out at the top of his voice, ‘Allah knows that the Thaqif are uncircumcised.”
Tabari IX:86 “Don’t seduce the Jews or Christians for incumbent on them is to pay the jizyah protection tax.”
Bukhari:V2B23N414 “The Prophet in his fatal illness said, “Allah cursed Jews and Christians because they took their Prophets’ graves as places for praying.'”
Bukhari:V5B59N727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.'”
Bukhari:V4B55N607 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘On the night of my Ascension to Heaven, I saw Jesus with a red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom. And I resemble Abraham more than any of his offspring.'”
Qur’an 2:111 “They say: ‘None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ Those are their (vain) desires. Say: ‘Produce your proof if you are truthful.’ Nay, whoever submits His face to Allah and surrenders, he will get his reward; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The Jews say: ‘The Christians follow nothing; and the Christians say: ‘the Jews follow nothing (true);’ Yet they (profess to) recite the (same) Scripture Book. But Allah will judge between them in their quarrel.”
Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”
Qur’an 9:31 “They (Jews and Christians) consider their rabbis and monks to be gods besides Allah. They also took their Lord Messiah to be a god but they were commanded (in the Taurat and Injeel) to worship only One Ilah (God). There is no ilah (god) but He. Too holy is He for the partners they associate (with Him).”
Qur’an 9:34 “Believers, there are many (Christian) monks and (Jewish) rabbis who in falsehood devour the wealth of mankind and hinder (men) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in Allah’s Cause. (Muhammad) announce unto them tidings of a painful torture. On the Day [of Doom] heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the Fire of Hell. It will be branded on their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs. ‘This is the (treasure) which you hoarded for yourselves: now taste it!'”
Qur’an 2:116 “They say: ‘Allah hath begotten a son: glory be to Him.’ Nay, to Him belongs all that is in heavens and on earth: All are subservient and obedient to Him.”
Qur’an 2:145 “Even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture Book all the Signs, they would not follow Your Qiblah; nor are you going to follow their Qiblah; nor indeed will they follow each other’s Qiblah.”
Qur’an 2:146 “The People of the Book, unto whom We gave the Scripture, know/recognize this revelation/him as they know/recognize their own sons; But lo! a party of them knowingly conceals truth.”
Qur’an 2:71 “The semblance of the infidels is one who shouts to one who cannot hear. They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They make no sense.”
Qur’an 2:174 “Those who conceal Allah’s revelations in the [Bible] Scripture Book, and thus make a miserable profit thereby [selling it to Muhammad], swallow Fire into themselves; Allah will not address them. Grievous will be their doom.”
Qur’an 2:175 “They are the ones who bartered away guidance for error and Torment in place of Forgiveness. Ah, what boldness (they show) for the Fire! (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism of great opposition.”
Tabari VIII:98 “Between the truce of Hudaybiyah and his death, the Messenger dispersed his Companions with letters. ‘I have been sent as a mercy and for all. Therefore, convey the message from me, and Allah shall have mercy on you. Do not become disobedient to me as the Disciples became disobedient to Jesus. He called them to the like of what I called you to. Those whom he sent close by were pleased and accepted; those whom he sent far off were refused. Jesus complained of their behavior to Allah, and when they awoke the next morning, each could speak the language of the people to whom he had been sent. Then Jesus said, ‘This is an affair that Allah has determined for you; so go forth!'”
Qur’an 8:50 “If you could have seen the infidels when the angels drew away their souls, striking their faces and smiting their backs. The angels said: ‘Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire.'”
Qur’an 8:52 “They brought this on themselves. Their case is like that of Pharaoh and of those before them. They denied and rejected the revelations of Allah, and Allah destroyed them, punishing them for their crimes: for Allah is strict, severe in punishment.”
Qur’an 61:6 “And Jesus, the son of Mary, said: ‘Children of Israel, I am the Messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming that (which was revealed) before me in the Torah, and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmad, the Praised One.’ But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, ‘this is sorcery!'”
Qur’an 61:14 “O Muslims! Be helpers of Allah: As Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, ‘Who will be my helpers (in the Cause) of Allah?’ Said the disciples, ‘We are Allah’s helpers!’ Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But We gave power to those who believed against their enemies, and they became the victorious.”
Qur’an 3:37 “Mariam was given into the care of Zacharyah. Whenever he came to see her in her chamber he found her provided with food, and he asked, ‘Where has this come from Mary?’ She said, ‘From Allah who gives in abundance to whomsoever He will. Zacharyah prayed, ‘Bestow on me offspring that is good [i.e., not a girl]. As he stood in the chamber the angels said, ‘Allah sends you tidings of Yahya (John) who will confirm a thing from Allah (the creation of Isa (Jesus), the Word of Allah) and be a noble prophet, one who is upright and does good [a Muslim].”
Qur’an 3:42Qur’an 3:44 “Behold! the angels said: ‘Mariam! Allah has chosen you and purified you above the women of all nations and creation (including jinn). Mary! submit with obedience to your Lord (Allah). Prostrate yourself, and bow down with those [Muslims] who bow down.” “This is part of the tidings of the things unseen, which you have no knowledge and We reveal unto you (Messenger!) by inspiration. You were not with them when they cast lots with arrows, as to which of them should be charged with the care of Mariam. Nor were you with them when they disputed.”
Qur’an 3:45 “Behold, the angels said: ‘O Mariam! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be the Messiah, Isa (Jesus), the son of Mariam, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter and of those nearest to Allah.”
Qur’an 4.171 “O people of the Book (Christians), do not be fanatical in your faith, and say nothing but the truth about Allah. The Messiah who is Isa (Jesus), son of Mariam, was only a messenger of Allah, nothing more. He bestowed His Word on Mariam and His Spirit. So believe in Allah and say not Trinity for Allah is one Ilah (God)…far be it from His Glory to beget a son.”
Qur’an 3:46 “And he shall speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and shall be one of the good ones.”
Bukhari:V4B55N645 “The Prophet said, ‘None spoke in cradle but three: The first was Jesus, the second was an Israeli called Juraij. While he was offering his prayers, his mother called him. He said, “Shall I answer her or keep on praying?” He went on praying and did not answer her. His mother said, “O Allah! Do not let him die till he sees the faces of prostitutes.”
Qur’an 3:47 “Mary said: ‘O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me?’ He said: ‘Even so: Allah creates what He wills: When He has decreed a plan, He but says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!”
Qur’an 3:48 “And Allah will teach him the Scripture Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel, and appoint him a messenger to the Children of Israel, with this message: ‘Lo! I come unto you with a Sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah’s leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah’s leave.” [As if reading a different Arabic text, the Ali translation says:] “He will teach him the Law and the Judgment, the Torah and the Gospel, and he will be Apostle to the children of Israel, (saying) ‘I have come to you with a prodigy from your Lord that I will fashion the state of destiny out of the mire for you and breathe (a new spirit) into it, and (you) will rise by the will of Allah.”
Bukhari:V4B55N657 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Isa (Jesus), the son of Mariam, will shortly descend amongst you Muslims and will judge mankind by the law of the Qur’an. He will break the cross and kill the swine [Jews] and there will be no Jizyah tax taken from non-Muslims. Money will be so abundant no one will accept it. So you may recite this Holy Verse: “Isa (Jesus) was just a human being before his death. On the Day of Resurrection he (Jesus) will be a witness against the Christians.”‘”
Bukhari:V4B55N658 “Allah’s Apostle said ‘How will you be when the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the Law of the Qur’an and not by the law of Gospel.'”
Bukhari:V4B55N651-2 “I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, ‘I am the nearest of all the people to Jesus. There has been no prophet between me and Jesus. All the prophets are paternal brothers; their mothers are different, but their religion is one.'”
Qur’an 3:50 “(I [Isa/Jesus] have come) to attest the Torah which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was forbidden; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me. Lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is a straight path.”
Bukhari:V4B56N814 “There was a Christian who embraced Islam and he used to write the revelations for the Prophet. Later on he returned to Christianity again he used to say: ‘Muhammad knows nothing but what I have written for him.'”
Qur’an 3:52 “But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: ‘Who will be my helpers in the Allah’s Cause? The disciples said: We will be Allah’s helpers. We believe in Allah, and do you bear witness that we are Muslims.”
Qur’an 3:54 “And they (the disciples from the previous verse) schemed, and Allah schemed and plotted (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.”
Qur’an 3:54 [Another translation reads:] “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations [the Torah and Gospels] and follow this Apostle [Jesus]. Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.” [A third translation says that “they” refers to “disbelievers,” not the disciples and they plotted to kill Jesus.] “And they (disbelievers) plotted (to kill Isa [Jesus]) and Allah plotted too.”
Qur’an 3:55 “Allah said, ‘Jesus, I will take you and raise you to Myself and rid you of the infidels (who have forged the lie that you are My son)…. Those who are infidels will surely receive severe torment both in this world and the next; and none will they have as a savior for them.” [Interesting, considering…]
Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”
Qur’an 3:55 [Another translation reads:] “Behold! Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject faith. Then shall you all return unto me, and I will judge between you on the matters wherein you dispute.” [Another:] “(Remember) when Allah said: ‘Jesus! Lo! I am gathering you and causing you to ascend unto Me. I am cleansing you of those who disbelieve.” [A fourth reads:] “When Allah said: ‘Jesus, I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve…. I will decide between you concerning that which you differed.”
Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”
Qur’an 3:58 “This is what We rehearse to you of the Signs and Message, a wise reminder. The similitude (likeness) of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: ‘Be.’ And he was.”
Qur’an 3:60 “The Truth (comes) from Allah alone. So be not of those who doubt, waver or dispute. If any one disputes in this matter with you, now after knowledge has come to you, say: ‘Come! Let us gather together our sons and women among ourselves. Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!'”
Qur’an 3:61 “If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them.”
Qur’an 3:62 “This is the true account, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah – He is the Mighty, the Wise. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: ‘O People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah.’ If then they turn back, say you: ‘Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims surrendered.”
Qur’an 3:67 “Abraham was not a Jew nor yet a Christian; but he was a true Muslim, surrendered to Allah (which is Islam), and he joined not gods with Allah.”
Qur’an 3:69 “It is the wish of the followers of the People of the Book to lead you astray. But they make none to go astray except themselves, but they perceive not. You People of the Book! Why reject you the signs, proofs, and verses of Allah, of which you are witnesses? You People of the Book! Why do you clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth?”
Qur’an 3:118 “O you who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, and Christians). They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin. Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths. What their hearts conceal is far worse. When they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say unto them: ‘Perish in your rage.'”
Qur’an 4:48 “Allah forgives not that partners [Christ as God] should be set up with Him; but He forgives anything else, to whom He please; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin most heinous.”
Qur’an 4:50 “Behold! how they invent lies against Allah! That is flagrant sin.”
Qur’an 4:51 “Have you not seen those to whom a portion of the Book has been given? They believe in sorcery and false deities and say of those who disbelieve: these are better guided than those who believe. They are (men) whom Allah has cursed: And those whom Allah has cursed, you will find that they have no savior.”
Qur’an 4:54 “Are they jealous and envious what Allah has given them of his bounty? But We had already given the house of Abraham the Book, and conferred upon them a grand kingdom. Some of them believed, and some of them averted their faces from him. And Hell is sufficient for their burning. Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire. As often as their skin is burnt and singed, roasted through, We shall change it for fresh skin, so that they may go on tasting the torment.”
Ringo is just some emo loser who plays video games all day and has been brain washed in college by some ultra lib professor. He doesnt know any better but thats not an excuse.
Hypothetically lets just say the war has been started for evil warmongering reasons…even so this war is not being carried out this way, it is being carried out by brave Soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen who care about human life, who care about helping, who care about iraq and the iraqi people more than the iraqi people care about themselves. Why? becuase America is compassionate and our people are so modernized that we simple love human life, unlike the stone age monsters in these countrys who kill kill kill. They have no morals. Think about the US soliders who legally kill an enemy combatant, they come back from the war all mentally messed up because they took lives, why? Because they are humans with love in their heart. I know for sure obviously non of these insurgents/terrorist have any remorse about any life lost. God I love service members, they are simply Selfless Heros!!!!
If you want to make the world a better place then look at yourself and make a change.Let every American,every Muslim, Jew, or Hindu first take the spec out of their eye first.