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I couldn’t help but think of Chris G. during all of this, too, Mike. Whether he received some bogus counseling (like this Hasan idiot) or whether it was the realization that the current CIC doesn’t support the military’s efforts, or both. He just didn’t get the help and support he should have received. I hope Chris’s family is doing better, and also receiving the support they need.

Hopefully, Hasan was an exception to the rule with regards to people in his position helping returning soldiers, though. I hope most counselors are very supportive, not only of the soldier, but also their missions overseas.

What is so sad about all of this is that it going to become a political mantra and we’re going to look past what has been in front of us the entire time. I read the linked post on Maj. Chris Galloway. It is sad what happened there but he is one of many. It is not uncommon for psychiatrist to need help as well. What is also sad is that we’re only paying attention to this because of the sheer number of individuals killed in one incident. But what some have called a “quiet phenomenon” of soldiers dealing with trauma from war. We talk about these soldiers as though they were widgets. They’re human and war is an unnatural necessity and we should do a better job making sure these men and women get the help they need when they return. And that includes taking a closer look at those charged with helping them. There were red flags all over the place with this and no one did anything about it.

Last year over 1600 members of our military attempted suicide. That shouldn’t surprise anyone. Eventually, this will get politicized and that’s just the nature of American media. But from a human side, we should get to the point where supporting our troops means more than waving a flag and saluting them.

If, James, you are suggesting that those with sympathies and beliefs of jihad need psychiatric help, I’ll agree they are crazier than loons, but disagree that any amount of “help” would change their core beliefs.

If, James, you are also equating this cockroach of a human being with our ChrisG, you need some help yourself. ChrisG was a battleground proven warrior, supporter of his military comrades and of this country. Hasan has never set foot on either of these theatres. If you’re trying to convince me, as the NYTs tried on Friday, that Hasan’s actions were explained because he was so traumatized by the stories of those with PTSD, then you’d better pop another prozac pill. That pig don’t fly.

If you’re traumatized with the 2nd hand stories of violence, identifying with those who witnessed the violence, why do you then commit that same kind of violence but with less honor…. i.e. shooting unarmed people in the back as they flee. And why do you praise Allah when you’re doing it?

Traumatized? Hell no. This guy sounds like a bonafide jihadi in the US military…. and if acting alone, he was a one man sleeper cell who should have been removed from the military long before he came close to any US soldier for “care”.

Has any media stated whether HASSAN’s body had been shaved prior to arrival at the civilian hospital? That act would speak volumes on his motives for his actions. A true Jihadist always shaves off his body hair in an act of purification prior to the Jidahist killing of others and perhaps hinself.

Perhaps someone could talk to some medical techs and found out…

Mata, I’m not comparing this guy to Maj. Galloway at all. Not even close. I’m not making any call on what was going on in this guy’s head. You could very well be right but that will come out soon. My point is the overall situation about what these soldiers are going through.

As for psychiatrist hearing 2nd hand stories, it is well documented in the industry that doctors are impacted by the stories of their clients. They are not robots. I work with an organization called HTHA and we counsel families who have children that have been sexually abused. Our therapist have therapist because they are dealing at times with some serious issues and it has an impact. I do my best to not deal directly with the families.

The other issue in this case in particular is that there were red flags and something should have happened. Why it didn’t should also be a part of the discussion. My main point is that besides our military men and women being considered heroes, we should also be mindful that they are human beings taking part is something that is not natural for humans… killing someone.

Now, my issue with this nut case and everyone else that joins the military then decide they don’t want to fight in a war is what did they think they were joining? You should not join the military unless you have accepted the fact they you will take part in the killing (directly or indirectly) of another human.

that was a second thought in my mind what about the troubled soldiers needing help,professionel help it is so bad just to envisage the help they had instead,thank you

it’s like going to the VA hospital, i have never had an american doctor. i have no idea what country they are from, and most are hard to understand. i did my duty and messed my head up bad, and now i have to deal with doctors from god knows where. i don’t know about other VA hospitals but fresno ca has mostly foreign doctors, it makes you wonder what they really think of us.

I can’t believe that people actually are defending this man. If you compare his actions prior to the shooting, you will find they are similar to those of the murderers on 9/11. This was planned and he was very methodical about what he did. This man made speeches during classes stating that infidels (Americans) should be shot, and oil poured down their throats. He made comments on a radical muslim web site. This man is a sleeper. Sleepers have infiltrated our country and are slowly coming to rise. Why? Because obama is a sleeper and he condones the action of this man. Remember obama’s comment that if the ill winds blew he would side with the muslims, and he is. He is trying his hardest to blame the Army for this man’s actions, when in fact it is obama himself that is encouraging this type of behavior.

This man will be tried according to the USMCJ and probably will be placed in prison for life or in a mental institution. Because of our political correctness that will eventually cause more lives lost, this man will be made the ‘victim’ by obama and his communist czars.

It was a terrorist attack-period. Granted it was a lone wolf attack, but a terrorist attack all the same. His motivation for the murders is the same as other jihadists. The “trauma” arguement doesn’t fly with me either. You don’t see other army psychiatrists doing what he did.

That was a hard right, Hard Right, you were right on the button. This was a terrorist attack. How many other terrorists are being protected by Mao’s and Obama’s concept of the communist tools of Political Correctness?

Just saw a quote from a muslim at the same mosque he worshipped at. He said he had no pity for the victims and that we’d forget the whole thing in 5 minutes.
Way past time to look into that mosque with some undercover agents.

@disenchanted:

Who is trying to defend Hasan? I’ve heard people on the left attempt to turn this into a BS PTSD argument but that’s ridiculous and we all know that but for those still afflicted with BDS, I guess it was an opportunity to dust off the old dementia.

What has happened is that far too many people have blamed Islam for this atrocity when the responsibility falls on Hasan’s shoulders. We’ll learn more about what the Army and the Intelligene Community knew about Hasan before he chambered that first round. Culpability will be established but in the end the decision was Hasan’s alone unless we can establish a link with a Jihadist organization.

We live in a very dangerous world but if we are to win our fight for survival we have to know exactly who poses the threat because we simply cannot kill everyone.

“We live in a very dangerous world but if we are to win our fight for survival we have to know exactly who poses the threat because we simply cannot kill everyone.”

Why not?

@Buffalobob:

Shoot yourself and answer the question.

TFHR, Islamic fascism is very much to blame and Islam has a major problem in regards to it. Yes, some have blamed Islam in general. I generally write that off to high emotions. You have known the moderates and I would like to think they are the majority. With that said, from what I’ve read and seen from those who left that religion, those NOT killing infidels are the apostates. Their religion does in fact preach violence against infidels and domination of them by any means necessary. The moderates are those who refuse to listen to such calls, but are doing themselves no favors by remaining silent or laying low. If they truly want to change Islam’s image, they need to publicly renounce the violence preached in the quran and speak out often against terrorists. They’ve taken the right step to ignore the murder/domination parts, but it is not enough.

Yes, the IF’s are in the minority, but they are a rabid and significant minority due to the sheer numbers of Muslims around the world.

Lastly, I will say it again. Islamic fascism WAS RESPONSIBLE and there is NO debate over this. A damning number of facts are in. He was a jihadist who hated America and rather than go to Afghanistan to help in the fight against his “brothers”, he declared war on America.

Here’s a link to some very eye opening sites. FYI, one or two are on the athiest side of belief.

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

http://www.islam-watch.org/IW/aboutus.htm

http://www.faithfreedom.org/

http://Thereligionofpeace.com

@Hard Right:

I could not agree more with your first paragraph. You summed it all up very well.

We may have slightly different views on Hasan but in the end, the threat is the threat and that is violent Islamic fundamentalists/fascists and their supporters around the world.

Until we know exactly how and what Hasan communicated with al Qaeda or other jihadist organizations, the question of his involvement in a greater war with the United States is not resolved. It appears that the Intelligence Community and the Army were both aware that Hasan was a problem but we do not yet know what they had on him or what they intended, if anything, to do about it.

In the meantime I think we should all get uncomfortable again with the fact that we are at war.

Just saw some info about the trial of Scott Roeder, the man accused of murdering Dr. Tiller. The lefties had no problem calling HIM a terrorist.
Get a REAL terrorist like Hasan tho, and “the jury is still out”. Vomit inducing.

THFR, are you saying that if he didn’t have contacts with known terrorists elsewhere, hasan isn’t a jihadist terrorist? IF that is the what you are saying, I would disagree. A lone wolf, home grown terrorist is still a terrorist.

Lost in all of this is the fact that this man, was on the presidential council to advise the Department of Homeland Security. Political correctness dictated that this man was whom the POTUS felt would be a good person to advise us mere mortals in the prevention of terrorist attacks on America. The Zero has got to go. November of 2010 and November of 2012 can’t come soon enough. For any paranoid lefties reading this, I mean electorally.

@Hard Right:

To me, the external contacts with al Qaeda are conclusive proof that this was not just a murderous rampage carried out in the same vein as the shootings at Virginia Tech not long ago, though it did share some of the hallmarks of that vicious criminal act. Until Hasan’s efforts to communicate with al Qaeda were made public, we could only speculate, despite our strong suspicions. Hasan may have eventually made statements after his arrest that would have been enough to conclude that he acted as a terrorist but with what we know now, it doesn’t matter what he says. Malik Nidal Hasan is a terrorist.

As for the “lone wolf” label applied to Hasan, I think it is still appropriate but once he reached out to al Qaeda’s Anwar al-Awlak, this became an issue for the FBI and other organizations. It is no longer sufficient to say that the attack at FT Hood could not have been prevented. By the very nature of the isolation of the perpetrator, “lone wolf” attacks are almost impossible to prevent. The classic example of a “lone wolf” is a single actor operating without contact or prior endorsement of an organized terrorist organization. AQ can be a proxy or inspiration for smaller, independent cells or lone wolf Jihadists and we’ve seen that happen before. A person like Hasan would only need to share sympathy for the AQ cause to be a lone wolf but now we’ve learned that his terrorist attack was something more. I believe we only really need to confirm the motivations behind the act but now we’ve got more than that.

This was another savage act of blood-letting in a very old yet evolving war.

@Flyovercountry:

I look forward to Obama’s early retirement from public “service” as much, if not more, than most fellow conservatives but your comment would imply that Hasan’s views, terrorist mindset and AQ contacts were known to the Administration. Forgive me if I’ve overreached but if that is what you intended to imply, then how do you suppose the Secret Service could stand by and allow that?

Obama will be put to the test as this attack at FT Hood will be recognized as having AQ links and a clear example of our government, including my beloved Army, failing to act in the face of clear threat indicators on his watch. Given his poor performance with the economy and the reckless manner in which he is attempting to “reform” our health care system, the failure to protect American lives on American soil coupled with his weak leadership regarding Afghanistan will do great, if not irreparable harm to his efforts to be reelected.

tfhr,

I am not certain how to respond to your post. While well written, I believe you misunderstand the role of the Secret Service. Quite simply, there is not any of this incident which would fall under their jurisdiction. The other agencies you mention, to be certian, but not the Secret Service. As for other agencies, It is more than possible for the ball to be dropped, and not raise eyebrows before the fact. Nixon held up an investigation in Watergate for 3 full years, until a curious press were able to complete the dots. Clinton was able to stifle an investigation into soft money being brought into American politics from China.

No, I don’t believe that the Zero had prior knowledge of this man being involved with AQ. I do believe that he is dangerously naive. His political correctness is going to do irreperable harm to the U.S. His track record to date shows an alarming neglect for any kind of a vetting process. Known terrorists and subversives are replete within his Administration. This particular man was not an official member of the Administration, but it does show an eagerness to hold political correctness above practical security matters. I hope I answere your question.

@Flyovercountry:

My comment about the Secret Service was to force the point about prior knowledge and you answered that with your response. I could not agree more with your comments, other than the Nixon time line but the point was made nevertheless.