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Brent
13 years ago
Oh, Mike, Mike, Mike…
No, Sherlock, that’s not what I call reasoned. That’s what I call “sarcasm.” My whole point was: why should I attempt reason when it has already been attempted, to no effect? I’m not at all above sarcasm and irony. In fact, in that previous post I adopted the persona of Glenn Beck, but turned it to supporting obnoxiously leftist viewpoints…and you didn’t like it ONE BIT. You can’t have your cake AND eat it too, Mike.
I actually just checked out the Media Matters website, for the first time in my life. It appears to be an unabashedly partisan operation, with no constructive function except to point out the failings of its counterparts on the right, and absolutely no legitimate “research” (despite the claims on the homepage). It doesn’t appear to be something I’ll return to quickly.
Ian’s posts were intended to constructively engage the rest of you in a discussion, not to piss you off. Instead, you picked up on the fact that he hails from NYC and chose to interpret something that academics call “debate” as a personal affront from some city elitist.
How’s that for a reasoned discussion?
Hmmm….Very interesting to hear you say that after you posted this under the other screen name:
Ian is a totally gay lefty…hes so lefty hes left-handed i bet…and he probably wears pink clothes, like a pinko commie. If you dont like glenn beck get out of america, and go to timbuktoo or germany where you commies can have some gay orgy.
Yeah Brent…same e-mail addy. Same IP address. Did you think we wouldn’t notice?
Point and laugh everyone….the troll is arguing with itself.
Brent
13 years ago
Gooooood catch, Chihuahua. The first post was meant to be flippant and was before I became engaged in this lovely pissing match we have going here. So as much as you’d like me to be embarrassed, I’m really not. If it discounts me in your eyes, oh well. Its not as though I were convincing you of anything in any case.
Also, unless you’re a moderator of this site, I have a minor beef with the assertion on the comments sign-up that email addresses will not be published. Somewhat disingenuous, that is.
Ummm…Yes, I’m a moderator on this site. (See the author list.)
No, you have no beef. Your e-mail address has not been published.
You should know that we don’t tolerate sock puppets here. Nor do we tolerate trolling.
Clearly, by your own comments you’re here just to stir up trouble which is, by definition, trolling.
I’ll use those two things as justification to show you the door.
Missy
13 years ago
They get stranger as our days grow shorter. Obamapompousass certainly brought them to the edge. Weird.
Skookum
13 years ago
One more phony is exposed and plows a furrow with his nose, well done, neat and tidy; what’s the deal about Conservatives getting inside information. Hacked emails, phony messages ascribed to Conservatives, very un-sportsman like behavior and totally out of character for Conservatives. This is a totally new playing field and the Progressive Socialists are becoming upset with these new dynamics. Too funny!
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
Haha, well this got a bit more fun.
Brent’s method of dealing with the inalterable opinions of this group was probably the best yet. and funnily enough I AM LEFT HANDED!!!!! OH NO!!!!!
But he did do something important which is to bring up the issue of defining communist, marxist and fascist ideas. GB mis-uses the terms all the time and without perspective. For example, saying that universal health care is a benchmark of the leftist agenda is just one side of the issue. Having a national health care saves hospitals and patients from tremendous debt that could easily effect the national economy and infrastructure dramatically (again Papa Bear readily admits this).
My only intention was for you guys to understand that there’s is good and bad on both sides. While certainly more right leaning, Glenn Beck has bashed the Bush and Obama administration alike.
If you’re going to take a page from GB its that both sides can be stupid, selfish and corrupt.
I highly stress to try to see it from the opposite side as well!!!!: there are good and unbiased opinions on both sides too. Not everybody in politics is a complete moron. To insinuate that there is no good in the Obama administration is just uninformed and possibly completely delusional. Just as the same would be said about the Bush administration.
I’ll be honest here and say this is not my forte, my initial engagement in this was in response to my distaste for GB methods for a relatively patriotic endeavor: questioning the government of the United States. I just hope you can all be honest about how deep your knowledge is of every political goings on. You may still form as strong opinions as you’d like but please admit that there is always room for more knowledge and perspective on the subject. That is where we can grow and improve ourselves and our nation.
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
Again please try to understand what a socialist, conservative, democrat, republican, marxist, communist, fascist, libertarian.
Look even if you think you’re making a clever point. Even if you completely defeat me, your ignorance on these subjects will effect many actions that you take and people around you. Don’t spread bad information because you don’t want to look something up. If you have questions i’d be happy to help out.
My ideas can be equally wrong without you calling me a socialist. The problem is that you don’t know another way to insult someone with my ideas because — well i’m not going to assume why but it may have something to do with the celebrated host.
The whole point here is that we live in a republic. That inexorably means the acceptance of many ideas to form one government. Why are you so against finding any good in the administration or people you oppose?
Be opposed! question everything! But listen to the answers sometimes. This post began as a question and every response answering the question has been met with hatred and aggression. Is this how you want our politicians to act? – because its exactly how they act. Thats why we have such hard party lines. If everybody were just a politician with individual ideas and not a democrat or republican, I’m sure we’d get a lot more accomplished.
I’m about done with this whole chain so you may all rejoice, but just realize everyone here has failed because not one thing was accomplished, not one resolution to any point. This was not a discussion, despite my best efforts to engage some of you personally, it was simply a mob mentality masturbation in which you all got to affirm eachother’s beliefs. But to put it simply, at least 51% of the country disagrees with you.
Ian: You are a pompous, arrogant, condescending ASS. And you are correct when you say “This was not a discussion.” You never did one thing but dump your bile on Glenn Beck or anyone who dared to disagree with your sour opinion.
You may be a legend in your own mind but it’s not an opinion that is shared by others.
Donald Bly
13 years ago
@Ian
Pay attention boy… I never addressed any of your posts. Others are doing a fine job of rebutting your commentary without my help. My only post on this thread until this one was directed @ Topps.
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
Well with that i’m out. Enjoy the rest of your ignorant life in your myopic state of mind. You neither address, read or understand any of my posts because you have acted directly against the possibility of a discussion. Again, look at the title of this post you gigantic loser. This isn’t about arguing political belief. In fact your point of view is 100% irrelevant to this discussion.
Find a healthier way to express your frustrations with your obviously miserable life. You have managed to ignore every point made to display your ignorance-infused hatred. You have made zero salient points. You are obviously a mental child.
One of my favorite phrases, and i don’t know the origin, is “the best revenge is living well”. Well while you’re stuck in your frustrated unintelligent life, I will sit, at least partially comforted that I’m living a whole lot better than you.
There’s a reason you’re in the losing party, you piece of ignorant shi*t
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
And to our beloved host… You appropriately booted brent for his deception but his post as theTRUTH displayed no more intellect or thoughtfulness than the rest of your tribe. If you are a true believer, no matter what your belief, you will seek to purify your stance by alienating those who argue your point from the voice of self interest.
Its rather disappointing to find such intolerance from a post that is itself a question. Why not have the post be a statement of infallible righteousness instead of donning the guise of an investigative discussion.
This is who you associate yourself with. This is why your side is hated.
“be the change you wish to see in the world” – Gandhi
Ian: This is who you associate yourself with. This is why your side is hated.
Taking your beef with individuals and applying that blanket to everyone who doesn’t agree with you, are we Ian?
Then you have the chutzpah to lecture us on tolerance?? LOL!
Yes… well put, Ian. We are “hated” by the party who says they are “tolerant”. That you don’t even hear yourself is nothing short of hysterical.
But then, that’s why I haven’t paid any attention to you or this thread.
That you are so anal as to assume that any who watch/read Beck automatically agrees with *everything* said is indicative of an extremist whose sphincter is obviously operating in the wrong area of your body.
I’ve read thru these comments, and have found you not nearly as impressive as you perceive yourself to be. But then, life’s too short to mess around with such petty issues as to whether you do or do not like Glenn Beck… or to listen to some delusional seer with omnipotent rantings about how we are all victims of brainwashing. It’s those like you who are book burners and wouldn’t hesitate to destroy the 1st Amendment in order to save us “hated” ones as part of your “tolerance”.
tata… would miss you, but hardly knew you were here.
@MataHarley: I’d add more to what you said but the Glenn Beck replay is on Fox News now and I’m going to watch!
Ian is driving more and more people to find out what Beck is all about. For that we should thank him. If he wasn’t such a noxious ass!
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
See this is exactly what i’m talking about… I’m not spreading propaganda. I’m asking you guys to come to the table and discuss the isuses. YOu have instead assumed, rather incorrectly, that i’m extremely to the left. You have used words like socialist communist and marxist. The equivalent from me would be calling you people Nazi’s. I have not done that. I have brought up issues that you have ignored time and again choosing rather to stalwartly believe only what you already know.
The irony of all of this is that Glenn Beck runs his entire program with the angle that he is raising questions that those in charge are responsible to answer. Every question I’ve raised, you’ve replied with more hatred, more ignorance.
Where have one of you actually asked a question or raised a topic for discussion???? Just because you say that i am incapable of discussion, doesn’t make it true. I have asked you over and over again to talk about how to make things better. You have taken all of my comments and distorted them to your own ignorant use.
Mike; you’re absolutely worthless. If you don’t want to listen or participate, thats okay! there are other websites! Nobody’s forcing you to read this! What are you doing besides proving every one of my previous points. You not here to achieve anything. Go take your hatred out in some other forum you pathetic, unfortunate human.
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
See again, where am i being intolerant of your ideas? Show me one instance in which someone has tried to make a point and i’ve dismissed it. You only seem to be able to comment on my comments. I do not appreciate your tactics of ignoring any point made and replying with hatred. However that’s not intolerance. I lump you all together now because not one of you have had a problem with anything someone on your side has said, regardless of how mis-informed or unhelpful it is.
The agenda of this forum as proved itself to be about reaffirming your point of view instead of asking a question and discussing like the TITLE of the forum. You are consistently proving yourselves incapable of raising issues that you are willing to discuss, meaning accepting (not agreeing with) other point of views.
@Ian Fitzgerald: Take a look at the header at the top of this post. I authored this post and I moderate it’s comments. I don’t need any more insults from you or any directive telling me to get lost.
The only thing you have “proved” here is the fact that you are a noxious ass. You haven’t made ONE SINGLE comment that isn’t filled with bile.
Move on to another topic on this blog or get lost altogether. You’re done commenting on this thread. You served my purpose a long time ago and it’s no longer necessary for us to read any more of your garbage on this post.
Ian Fitzgerald, if You are so unhappy with FA just go elsewhere. Getting surly with Moderators is really a very bad idea. Go pick a fight You can win, Ok Laddie?
If You don’t like Glenn Beck don’t watch him. I’m a fairly tolerant man but I think you demand too much attention here and come across like an over indulged and very spoiled child. If You don’t like what You see here go away.
I believe that You have worn out Mike’s sense of humor and hospitality.
@Old Trooper: He’s just typical of the lefties who want to shout down or shut down anyone who dares to express an opposing view. They’ve gone after Glenn Beck with everything they have and Ian is a rather lame example of the kind of cyber storm trooper they send out to attack Beck and conservatives.
We’ve heard enough from him on this thread but if he wants to comment on another post we’ll have to assess whether he can make a useful contribution or just dump more of his arrogance, insults and condescension. If he does, then I vote we bounce him off this island.
P.S. Beck has a great show on tonight detailing all the direct attacks on his free speech from the Obamatons and also highlighting the violence that Obamatons have directed at conservatives.
#31: Last sunday (after thanksgiving), I was waiting in the airport terminal when I saw a young teenager reading his book. Although he seemed relatively bored with it, putting the book down every ten minutes or so, the symbolism of such an impressionable person getting ANY information from Glen Beck’s book was frightening and deeply worrisome at the same time.
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There is no doubt the world would be better off without GB
#33: Do you just want to hate another side? or are you willing to accept that you’re being manipulated so that people keep watching GB’s show.
#43: Ultimately I don’t care if you see me as a snarling liberal or what. And I will admit, as an avid hater of GB, I most certainly do not have as much information on his “facts” or show as you guys. Now I have probably seen maybe 7 whole shows. My issue with him is not his beliefs, and its not his arrogance. Its simply that he takes situations and facts and distorts them to his ends.
Mata Musing… he sez after admitting he doesn’t have much info on the facts and has only seen maybe 7 shows….
more from #43:
Instead, not one can be credited with this sort of action. I just happen to dislike GB the most. Cause, he looks like a ****ing moron when he speaks and you all believe everything he says.
#58: Look even if you think you’re making a clever point. Even if you completely defeat me, your ignorance on these subjects will effect many actions that you take and people around you. Don’t spread bad information because you don’t want to look something up. If you have questions i’d be happy to help out.
In between the usual libertarian volume of babble (I know, I used to be one….) is the unmitigated hatred for a nerdy pundit from Utah after watching a few shows…. peppered with how we are all mindless idiots for watching or agreeing with some or all of what he says… topped off nicely with an arrogance that you, Ian, will set us on the right path to truth and we’ll all “unite” and get along.
News bulletin. The US was not founded on a “united” mentality, but on dissent. Not interested in your form of America, Ian. Not if it means accepting notions you espouse, i.e. the “world is better off” without people like Glenn Beck. An thought shared by many a despot, BTW.
Now, my amusement here is done. Maybe, if you have the patience, your sphincter muscle will loosen enough for you to go back and read your own posts with an open mind. If you were intending to be provocative, stimulating debate, you failed and presented yourself badly. Instead you came across exactly as how Old Trooper described you… a spoiled, overindulged child trying to convince everyone to share your emotional hatred.
Old Trooper
13 years ago
MataHarley, I was less than amused with Ian’s sophomoric rant and less indulgent than Mike.
Mike, I don’t get Glenn Beck out here in the Provinces. I do get briefings by satellite from “the usual suspects” by way of CENTCOM on plasma screen in Kabul or Kandahar on “doing more with less”, arbitrary timelines that do not mean squat because when Congress stops funding the fight the fight is over.
I can’t throw in 100% with Beck or Limbaugh but I won’t throw rocks at them either. There are things to fear on the American Political Horizon but neither Beck or Limbaugh constitute a greater threat than the current crop of Majority folks in Congress, the Senate or the group of Appointees that Obama chose to “legislate” by regulation or “policies” that look to be not in the Nation’s best interest or Constitutional by my understanding of it.
I did enjoy the spirited “discussions” with Brent and Ian to a point. I do draw the line on their fillibuster rants though. When they stop making sense it is time to pull the plug.
Blake
13 years ago
Ian- You say above, that you respect someone who takes responsibility for the situation, but you SURELY cannot be talking about Nobamma- this is the same person who keeps pointing back at the Bush administration as the one that is at fault, when it was Pelosi and the Dems that precipitated this calamity.
Barney Frank, Dodd, Shumer, Maxine Waters, and the rest of the Dems on both the banking and Senate finance committees caused this by OPPOSING regulations BUSH AND OTHER REPUBLICANS sought to put in place to slow the fall of Fannie Mae et al, beginning in 2000, and again in 2004.
The fact that Republicans had a “majority” in Congress is a fallacy- yes, they had a razor- thin majority (50+1, Cheney) as atie- breaker, but not enough of a majority to forestall a filibuster by Dems, so that argument is weak to non- existant.
Once the Dems had a majority, they changed their strategy from “deny Bush ANY CREDIT, to a more aggressive policy and socialist agenda.
Enter Barry Soetoro- a novice with really no guts, and someone the left can manipulate to their heart’s content, and they are doing this now- putting felons and criminals in charge of parts of the government that should be off- limits to them, and making end- runs around the constitution and its intent- witness the Cap and Trade fiasco- if they cannot pass it, the EPA has threatened to pass regulations that will be more onerous than the unconstitutional cap and trade legislation- so they threaten- now that might be a great tactic if you are some goomba in Chicago, but not Washington- and it’s never a good idea to threaten the American people- just ask the Japanese or the Germans.
You rant against GB, and Praise O’Reilly, but lets face it- they both are really saying the same thing, O’Reilly is just a little slower to condemn Barry’s administration, but he is coming around- and I will bet you that by next summer, they are both on the same page entirely- because the facts are there, and there truly is no time to waste in countering this socialist agenda- one I will never be a part of, or kowtow to, and if you are a true American, neither will you.
@Aye Chihuahua: Been a busy 3 days for me so just got around to catching up on all the new comments. I see we had one more, out of the many who have come before him, lefty who believes doing sock-puppetry idiocy somehow validates their point. Good catch Aye.
As for Ian….plenty have taken your assertions on and made you look quite foolish. You come in here espousing hate and labeling people and then have the nerve to assign those same traits to the readers of Flopping Aces?
If you were intending to be provocative, stimulating debate, you failed and presented yourself badly. Instead you came across exactly as how Old Trooper described you… a spoiled, overindulged child trying to convince everyone to share your emotional hatred.
Mr. Gray
13 years ago
wow, I have been following this website for a long time now and you guys are relentless at dismantling any 2-way conversation. something like post # 45 goes right under the radar, but you attack, name call, misrepresent, discredit, and insult anything that may be considered just left neo-con. Ian hasn’t said anything wrong whatsoever to invoke the mob-mentality treatment here. Intelligent, thought provoking rebuttals have no place on these forums, because the poster gets abused and ultimately his posts are blocked (like many of mine in the past) by our most righteous moderators.
My favorite, is the completely unfounded “sock-puppetry” accusation, to justify privacy violations (announcing where I work) and comment blocking…
comment poser
13 years ago
wow, I have been following this website for a long time now and you guys are relentless at dismantling any 2-way conversation. something like post # 45 goes right under the radar, but you attack, name call, misrepresent, discredit, and insult anything that may be considered just left neo-con. Ian hasn’t said anything wrong whatsoever to invoke the mob-mentality treatment here. Intelligent, thought provoking rebuttals have no place on these forums, because the poster gets abused and ultimately his posts are blocked (like many of mine in the past) by our most righteous moderators.
My favorite, is the completely unfounded “sock-puppetry” accusation, to justify privacy violations (announcing where I work) and comment blocking..
Ah Mr. Gray… The sock puppets sock puppet. And just to prove what a lying phony he is he makes the identical comment with the laughable name “comment poser” one minute after his previous comment.
Poser is pretty much it.
How would you like it if I showed up here with multiple comment names saying “yeah, that Mike is great. He knows what he is talking about.” The truth is, I don’t need to phony it up. I get enough REAL compliments.
And once again, you have nothing substantive to add to any meaningful discussion just another lefty rant from someone who is clearly a legend in his own mind.
What a shame no one else shares your high opinion of yourself.
P.S. Don’t bother trying to get through the spam filter again tonight. Other than illustrating how empty headed both you and Ian are, there’s no point.
Patvann
13 years ago
Worse comment-thread ever.
Ya know it’s bad when the topic is nowhere to be found among the trolls and puppets, and the mods become entertainment for us regulars…THAT part was actually funny!
I like Glenn. He makes neo-fascists nervous….(And puppets appear, too!)
poser/Mr. Gray: something like post # 45 goes right under the radar, but you attack, name call, misrepresent, discredit, and insult anything that may be considered just left neo-con. Ian hasn’t said anything wrong whatsoever to invoke the mob-mentality treatment here.
First of all, “The Truth”, aka Brent, did not go “under the radar”, but was addressed by quite a few, and outed by Aye Chi. That cyber-schizoid would have been better to be ignored since his comment was devoid of substance, and long on worthless insults.
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In your opinion, Ian “hasn’t said anything wrong whatsoever”.
Ian, apparently, is a fan of 1st amendment genocide…. ala the world would be “better off without GB”. Certainly silencing dissenting voices of all calibres would result in a “unified” world. It would also be an oppressive world, with repressives as the dictators.
Other than that, I’m with Patvann. Worst comment thread ever.
My favorite, is the completely unfounded “sock-puppetry” accusation, to justify privacy violations (announcing where I work) and comment blocking…
Now that’s *very* interesting. Perhaps I’m missing it, but the only person who, himself, announced where he worked @was Ian Fitzgerald. Even that did not name a specific company.
I work for a company that was recently considering paying a radio host (yes Glenn Beck) to run an add for us.
So, Mr. Gray/poser…. You’re certainly welcome to point out what I didn’t catch – ala “announcing” where you are employed. Absent that, it appears you are admitting that… in addition to these two identities… you are also defending yourself as Ian Fitzgerald.
DOH! A bit of a slip of the keyboard tongue, eh?
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
I’m not looking to win any battles any more but two quick comments:
First of all, Ive never posted from a different name…notice my spelling errors.
Second: I think what “Mr. Gray” is saying about comment #45 going under the radar, is that it was a completely ridiculous post aimed to be slanderous and irrelevant to any pre-existing discussion. Thereby, i believe his point is that you guys have no limitations in what is written here as long as it either supports your cause or trashes your opposition’s. ‘
A term like 1st Amendment Genocide doesn’t make any sense. Genocide cannot relate to one entity. Second its not against the first amendment to say that the world would be better off without someone. The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, something not allotted by our hosts. I did not say, nor do i believe that Glenn Beck doesn’t have the right to do what he does, i just think his influence is a danger.
As far as this Obama/Bush thing of Blake’s: First of all again, I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian so I don’t trust Obama’s administration any more than I did Bush’s. I just happen to prefer the things Obama is doing to the things Bush did. I am of the belief that regardless of any perceived present value to a war in Iraq, we had legitimate reason to go in the first place and we will have spent more than 3$ Trillion dollars before we are out (Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html). That compared to saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and protecting one of Americas largest industries from moving to foreign countries at a time in which America is losing its grip as the premier economic power of the world.
I’m not saying that Obama’s actions are perfect or even the direction I would go. But (from the perspective stated in the above paragraph) I would prefer what Obama has done, than what Bush has done.
And i’m not sure from what info Blake you make your comment. As far as I’m concerned Bush left office with the highest national debt of any president and America was loosing a hundred thousand jobs a month. Im really not sure what could be worse than that from a completely objective stand point. Additionally, how is it that you can blame a democratic house for the debt caused by Bush’s war?
Anyway go a head with terms like sock-puppets as you all espouse the same views.
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
Whats really interesting about all this is my persistent desire to engage this bunch. Since there was some obvious confusion over the posts of Mr. Gray, I felt i needed to respond.
I’m not looking to win any battles any more but a few quick comments:
First of all, I have never posted from a different name. Notice I have no problem displaying my full name because I have no intention of hiding from any of my points… also notice my spelling errors.
Second: I think what “Mr. Gray” is saying about comment #45 going under the radar, is that it was a completely ridiculous post aimed to be slanderous and irrelevant to any pre-existing discussion. Thereby, i believe his point is that you guys have no limitations in what is written here as long as it either supports your cause or trashes your opposition’s. ‘
Third. A term like 1st Amendment Genocide doesn’t make any sense. Genocide cannot relate to one entity. Second its not against the first amendment to say that the world would be better off without someone. The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, something not allotted by our hosts. I did not say, nor do i believe that Glenn Beck doesn’t have the right to do what he does, i just think his influence is a danger.
Fourth. As far as this Obama/Bush thing of Blake’s: First of all again, I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian so I don’t trust Obama’s administration any more than I did Bush’s. I just happen to prefer the things Obama is doing to the things Bush did. I am of the belief that regardless of any perceived present value to a war in Iraq, we had legitimate reason to go in the first place and we will have spent more than 3$ Trillion dollars before we are out (Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html). That compared to saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and protecting one of Americas largest industries from moving to foreign countries at a time in which America is losing its grip as the premier economic power of the world.
I’m not saying that Obama’s actions are perfect or even the direction I would go. But (from the perspective stated in the above paragraph) I would prefer what Obama has done, than what Bush has done.
And i’m not sure from what info Blake you make your comment. As far as I’m concerned Bush left office with the highest national debt of any president and America was loosing a hundred thousand jobs a month. Im really not sure what could be worse than that from a completely objective stand point. Additionally, how is it that you can blame a democratic house for the debt caused by Bush’s war?
Anyway go a head with terms like sock-puppets as you all espouse the same views.
Ian Fitzgerald
13 years ago
Whats really interesting about all this is my persistent desire to engage this bunch. Since there was some obvious confusion over the posts of Mr. Gray, I felt i needed to respond. Since I have been ousted for my heresy, i’m writing from another address of mine.
I’m not looking to win any battles any more but a few quick comments:
First of all, I have never posted from a different name. Notice I have no problem displaying my full name because I have no intention of hiding from any of my points… also notice my spelling errors.
Second: I think what “Mr. Gray” is saying about comment #45 going under the radar, is that it was a completely ridiculous post aimed to be slanderous and irrelevant to any pre-existing discussion. Thereby, i believe his point is that you guys have no limitations in what is written here as long as it either supports your cause or trashes your opposition’s. ‘
Third. A term like 1st Amendment Genocide doesn’t make any sense. Genocide cannot relate to one entity. Second its not against the first amendment to say that the world would be better off without someone. The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, something not allotted by our hosts. I did not say, nor do i believe that Glenn Beck doesn’t have the right to do what he does, i just think his influence is a danger.
Fourth. As far as this Obama/Bush thing of Blake’s: First of all again, I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian so I don’t trust Obama’s administration any more than I did Bush’s. I just happen to prefer the things Obama is doing to the things Bush did. I am of the belief that regardless of any perceived present value to a war in Iraq, we had legitimate reason to go in the first place and we will have spent more than 3$ Trillion dollars before we are out (Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html). That compared to saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and protecting one of Americas largest industries from moving to foreign countries at a time in which America is losing its grip as the premier economic power of the world.
I’m not saying that Obama’s actions are perfect or even the direction I would go. But (from the perspective stated in the above paragraph) I would prefer what Obama has done, than what Bush has done.
And i’m not sure from what info Blake you make your comment. As far as I’m concerned Bush left office with the highest national debt of any president and America was loosing a hundred thousand jobs a month. Im really not sure what could be worse than that from a completely objective stand point. Additionally, how is it that you can blame a democratic house for the debt caused by Bush’s war?
Anyway go a head with terms like sock-puppets as you all espouse the same views.
Also, Don’t be fooled by GB DARING THE WHITE HOUSE TO CALL and correct him. They would never do it, even if GB claimed he slept with Michelle. Regardless of how they are actually affected by GB, they will never dignify him or any other political show (on either side) by correcting facts.
Oh, Mike, Mike, Mike…
No, Sherlock, that’s not what I call reasoned. That’s what I call “sarcasm.” My whole point was: why should I attempt reason when it has already been attempted, to no effect? I’m not at all above sarcasm and irony. In fact, in that previous post I adopted the persona of Glenn Beck, but turned it to supporting obnoxiously leftist viewpoints…and you didn’t like it ONE BIT. You can’t have your cake AND eat it too, Mike.
I actually just checked out the Media Matters website, for the first time in my life. It appears to be an unabashedly partisan operation, with no constructive function except to point out the failings of its counterparts on the right, and absolutely no legitimate “research” (despite the claims on the homepage). It doesn’t appear to be something I’ll return to quickly.
Enjoy your evening.
@Brent:
Hmmm….Very interesting to hear you say that after you posted this under the other screen name:
Yeah Brent…same e-mail addy. Same IP address. Did you think we wouldn’t notice?
Point and laugh everyone….the troll is arguing with itself.
Gooooood catch, Chihuahua. The first post was meant to be flippant and was before I became engaged in this lovely pissing match we have going here. So as much as you’d like me to be embarrassed, I’m really not. If it discounts me in your eyes, oh well. Its not as though I were convincing you of anything in any case.
Also, unless you’re a moderator of this site, I have a minor beef with the assertion on the comments sign-up that email addresses will not be published. Somewhat disingenuous, that is.
@Brent:
Ummm…Yes, I’m a moderator on this site. (See the author list.)
No, you have no beef. Your e-mail address has not been published.
You should know that we don’t tolerate sock puppets here. Nor do we tolerate trolling.
Clearly, by your own comments you’re here just to stir up trouble which is, by definition, trolling.
I’ll use those two things as justification to show you the door.
They get stranger as our days grow shorter. Obamapompousass certainly brought them to the edge. Weird.
One more phony is exposed and plows a furrow with his nose, well done, neat and tidy; what’s the deal about Conservatives getting inside information. Hacked emails, phony messages ascribed to Conservatives, very un-sportsman like behavior and totally out of character for Conservatives. This is a totally new playing field and the Progressive Socialists are becoming upset with these new dynamics. Too funny!
Haha, well this got a bit more fun.
Brent’s method of dealing with the inalterable opinions of this group was probably the best yet. and funnily enough I AM LEFT HANDED!!!!! OH NO!!!!!
But he did do something important which is to bring up the issue of defining communist, marxist and fascist ideas. GB mis-uses the terms all the time and without perspective. For example, saying that universal health care is a benchmark of the leftist agenda is just one side of the issue. Having a national health care saves hospitals and patients from tremendous debt that could easily effect the national economy and infrastructure dramatically (again Papa Bear readily admits this).
My only intention was for you guys to understand that there’s is good and bad on both sides. While certainly more right leaning, Glenn Beck has bashed the Bush and Obama administration alike.
If you’re going to take a page from GB its that both sides can be stupid, selfish and corrupt.
I highly stress to try to see it from the opposite side as well!!!!: there are good and unbiased opinions on both sides too. Not everybody in politics is a complete moron. To insinuate that there is no good in the Obama administration is just uninformed and possibly completely delusional. Just as the same would be said about the Bush administration.
I’ll be honest here and say this is not my forte, my initial engagement in this was in response to my distaste for GB methods for a relatively patriotic endeavor: questioning the government of the United States. I just hope you can all be honest about how deep your knowledge is of every political goings on. You may still form as strong opinions as you’d like but please admit that there is always room for more knowledge and perspective on the subject. That is where we can grow and improve ourselves and our nation.
Again please try to understand what a socialist, conservative, democrat, republican, marxist, communist, fascist, libertarian.
Look even if you think you’re making a clever point. Even if you completely defeat me, your ignorance on these subjects will effect many actions that you take and people around you. Don’t spread bad information because you don’t want to look something up. If you have questions i’d be happy to help out.
My ideas can be equally wrong without you calling me a socialist. The problem is that you don’t know another way to insult someone with my ideas because — well i’m not going to assume why but it may have something to do with the celebrated host.
The whole point here is that we live in a republic. That inexorably means the acceptance of many ideas to form one government. Why are you so against finding any good in the administration or people you oppose?
Be opposed! question everything! But listen to the answers sometimes. This post began as a question and every response answering the question has been met with hatred and aggression. Is this how you want our politicians to act? – because its exactly how they act. Thats why we have such hard party lines. If everybody were just a politician with individual ideas and not a democrat or republican, I’m sure we’d get a lot more accomplished.
I’m about done with this whole chain so you may all rejoice, but just realize everyone here has failed because not one thing was accomplished, not one resolution to any point. This was not a discussion, despite my best efforts to engage some of you personally, it was simply a mob mentality masturbation in which you all got to affirm eachother’s beliefs. But to put it simply, at least 51% of the country disagrees with you.
Ian: You are a pompous, arrogant, condescending ASS. And you are correct when you say “This was not a discussion.” You never did one thing but dump your bile on Glenn Beck or anyone who dared to disagree with your sour opinion.
You may be a legend in your own mind but it’s not an opinion that is shared by others.
@Ian
Pay attention boy… I never addressed any of your posts. Others are doing a fine job of rebutting your commentary without my help. My only post on this thread until this one was directed @ Topps.
Well with that i’m out. Enjoy the rest of your ignorant life in your myopic state of mind. You neither address, read or understand any of my posts because you have acted directly against the possibility of a discussion. Again, look at the title of this post you gigantic loser. This isn’t about arguing political belief. In fact your point of view is 100% irrelevant to this discussion.
Find a healthier way to express your frustrations with your obviously miserable life. You have managed to ignore every point made to display your ignorance-infused hatred. You have made zero salient points. You are obviously a mental child.
One of my favorite phrases, and i don’t know the origin, is “the best revenge is living well”. Well while you’re stuck in your frustrated unintelligent life, I will sit, at least partially comforted that I’m living a whole lot better than you.
There’s a reason you’re in the losing party, you piece of ignorant shi*t
And to our beloved host… You appropriately booted brent for his deception but his post as theTRUTH displayed no more intellect or thoughtfulness than the rest of your tribe. If you are a true believer, no matter what your belief, you will seek to purify your stance by alienating those who argue your point from the voice of self interest.
Its rather disappointing to find such intolerance from a post that is itself a question. Why not have the post be a statement of infallible righteousness instead of donning the guise of an investigative discussion.
This is who you associate yourself with. This is why your side is hated.
“be the change you wish to see in the world” – Gandhi
Taking your beef with individuals and applying that blanket to everyone who doesn’t agree with you, are we Ian?
Then you have the chutzpah to lecture us on tolerance?? LOL!
Yes… well put, Ian. We are “hated” by the party who says they are “tolerant”. That you don’t even hear yourself is nothing short of hysterical.
But then, that’s why I haven’t paid any attention to you or this thread.
That you are so anal as to assume that any who watch/read Beck automatically agrees with *everything* said is indicative of an extremist whose sphincter is obviously operating in the wrong area of your body.
I’ve read thru these comments, and have found you not nearly as impressive as you perceive yourself to be. But then, life’s too short to mess around with such petty issues as to whether you do or do not like Glenn Beck… or to listen to some delusional seer with omnipotent rantings about how we are all victims of brainwashing. It’s those like you who are book burners and wouldn’t hesitate to destroy the 1st Amendment in order to save us “hated” ones as part of your “tolerance”.
tata… would miss you, but hardly knew you were here.
@Ian Fitzgerald: Once again, you have offered us NOTHING but insults and arrogance.
And yet you conclude that it is OUR “intolerance” that is on display here?
You’re not fooling anyone but yourself.
In the coming years, you will witness the backlash of the American people against the kind of asininity you have so clearly displayed.
You are incapable of any kind of rational and intellectually honest discussion of the important issues this country faces.
You have nothing to offer but bile and insults.
In that, you are typical of the breed of delusional lefty you represent.
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@Ian Fitzgerald: Sorry Ian, I’m not interested in any more of your propaganda.
@MataHarley: I’d add more to what you said but the Glenn Beck replay is on Fox News now and I’m going to watch!
Ian is driving more and more people to find out what Beck is all about. For that we should thank him. If he wasn’t such a noxious ass!
See this is exactly what i’m talking about… I’m not spreading propaganda. I’m asking you guys to come to the table and discuss the isuses. YOu have instead assumed, rather incorrectly, that i’m extremely to the left. You have used words like socialist communist and marxist. The equivalent from me would be calling you people Nazi’s. I have not done that. I have brought up issues that you have ignored time and again choosing rather to stalwartly believe only what you already know.
The irony of all of this is that Glenn Beck runs his entire program with the angle that he is raising questions that those in charge are responsible to answer. Every question I’ve raised, you’ve replied with more hatred, more ignorance.
Where have one of you actually asked a question or raised a topic for discussion???? Just because you say that i am incapable of discussion, doesn’t make it true. I have asked you over and over again to talk about how to make things better. You have taken all of my comments and distorted them to your own ignorant use.
Mike; you’re absolutely worthless. If you don’t want to listen or participate, thats okay! there are other websites! Nobody’s forcing you to read this! What are you doing besides proving every one of my previous points. You not here to achieve anything. Go take your hatred out in some other forum you pathetic, unfortunate human.
See again, where am i being intolerant of your ideas? Show me one instance in which someone has tried to make a point and i’ve dismissed it. You only seem to be able to comment on my comments. I do not appreciate your tactics of ignoring any point made and replying with hatred. However that’s not intolerance. I lump you all together now because not one of you have had a problem with anything someone on your side has said, regardless of how mis-informed or unhelpful it is.
The agenda of this forum as proved itself to be about reaffirming your point of view instead of asking a question and discussing like the TITLE of the forum. You are consistently proving yourselves incapable of raising issues that you are willing to discuss, meaning accepting (not agreeing with) other point of views.
@Ian Fitzgerald: Take a look at the header at the top of this post. I authored this post and I moderate it’s comments. I don’t need any more insults from you or any directive telling me to get lost.
The only thing you have “proved” here is the fact that you are a noxious ass. You haven’t made ONE SINGLE comment that isn’t filled with bile.
Move on to another topic on this blog or get lost altogether. You’re done commenting on this thread. You served my purpose a long time ago and it’s no longer necessary for us to read any more of your garbage on this post.
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@Ian Fitzgerald: Did you think I was kidding?
Ian Fitzgerald, if You are so unhappy with FA just go elsewhere. Getting surly with Moderators is really a very bad idea. Go pick a fight You can win, Ok Laddie?
If You don’t like Glenn Beck don’t watch him. I’m a fairly tolerant man but I think you demand too much attention here and come across like an over indulged and very spoiled child. If You don’t like what You see here go away.
I believe that You have worn out Mike’s sense of humor and hospitality.
@Old Trooper: He’s just typical of the lefties who want to shout down or shut down anyone who dares to express an opposing view. They’ve gone after Glenn Beck with everything they have and Ian is a rather lame example of the kind of cyber storm trooper they send out to attack Beck and conservatives.
We’ve heard enough from him on this thread but if he wants to comment on another post we’ll have to assess whether he can make a useful contribution or just dump more of his arrogance, insults and condescension. If he does, then I vote we bounce him off this island.
P.S. Beck has a great show on tonight detailing all the direct attacks on his free speech from the Obamatons and also highlighting the violence that Obamatons have directed at conservatives.
Ian, the “points” you have made that stand out:
Mata Musing… he sez after admitting he doesn’t have much info on the facts and has only seen maybe 7 shows….
more from #43:
In between the usual libertarian volume of babble (I know, I used to be one….) is the unmitigated hatred for a nerdy pundit from Utah after watching a few shows…. peppered with how we are all mindless idiots for watching or agreeing with some or all of what he says… topped off nicely with an arrogance that you, Ian, will set us on the right path to truth and we’ll all “unite” and get along.
News bulletin. The US was not founded on a “united” mentality, but on dissent. Not interested in your form of America, Ian. Not if it means accepting notions you espouse, i.e. the “world is better off” without people like Glenn Beck. An thought shared by many a despot, BTW.
Now, my amusement here is done. Maybe, if you have the patience, your sphincter muscle will loosen enough for you to go back and read your own posts with an open mind. If you were intending to be provocative, stimulating debate, you failed and presented yourself badly. Instead you came across exactly as how Old Trooper described you… a spoiled, overindulged child trying to convince everyone to share your emotional hatred.
MataHarley, I was less than amused with Ian’s sophomoric rant and less indulgent than Mike.
Mike, I don’t get Glenn Beck out here in the Provinces. I do get briefings by satellite from “the usual suspects” by way of CENTCOM on plasma screen in Kabul or Kandahar on “doing more with less”, arbitrary timelines that do not mean squat because when Congress stops funding the fight the fight is over.
I can’t throw in 100% with Beck or Limbaugh but I won’t throw rocks at them either. There are things to fear on the American Political Horizon but neither Beck or Limbaugh constitute a greater threat than the current crop of Majority folks in Congress, the Senate or the group of Appointees that Obama chose to “legislate” by regulation or “policies” that look to be not in the Nation’s best interest or Constitutional by my understanding of it.
I did enjoy the spirited “discussions” with Brent and Ian to a point. I do draw the line on their fillibuster rants though. When they stop making sense it is time to pull the plug.
Ian- You say above, that you respect someone who takes responsibility for the situation, but you SURELY cannot be talking about Nobamma- this is the same person who keeps pointing back at the Bush administration as the one that is at fault, when it was Pelosi and the Dems that precipitated this calamity.
Barney Frank, Dodd, Shumer, Maxine Waters, and the rest of the Dems on both the banking and Senate finance committees caused this by OPPOSING regulations BUSH AND OTHER REPUBLICANS sought to put in place to slow the fall of Fannie Mae et al, beginning in 2000, and again in 2004.
The fact that Republicans had a “majority” in Congress is a fallacy- yes, they had a razor- thin majority (50+1, Cheney) as atie- breaker, but not enough of a majority to forestall a filibuster by Dems, so that argument is weak to non- existant.
Once the Dems had a majority, they changed their strategy from “deny Bush ANY CREDIT, to a more aggressive policy and socialist agenda.
Enter Barry Soetoro- a novice with really no guts, and someone the left can manipulate to their heart’s content, and they are doing this now- putting felons and criminals in charge of parts of the government that should be off- limits to them, and making end- runs around the constitution and its intent- witness the Cap and Trade fiasco- if they cannot pass it, the EPA has threatened to pass regulations that will be more onerous than the unconstitutional cap and trade legislation- so they threaten- now that might be a great tactic if you are some goomba in Chicago, but not Washington- and it’s never a good idea to threaten the American people- just ask the Japanese or the Germans.
You rant against GB, and Praise O’Reilly, but lets face it- they both are really saying the same thing, O’Reilly is just a little slower to condemn Barry’s administration, but he is coming around- and I will bet you that by next summer, they are both on the same page entirely- because the facts are there, and there truly is no time to waste in countering this socialist agenda- one I will never be a part of, or kowtow to, and if you are a true American, neither will you.
@Aye Chihuahua: Been a busy 3 days for me so just got around to catching up on all the new comments. I see we had one more, out of the many who have come before him, lefty who believes doing sock-puppetry idiocy somehow validates their point. Good catch Aye.
As for Ian….plenty have taken your assertions on and made you look quite foolish. You come in here espousing hate and labeling people and then have the nerve to assign those same traits to the readers of Flopping Aces?
Really can’t say it better then MataHarley:
wow, I have been following this website for a long time now and you guys are relentless at dismantling any 2-way conversation. something like post # 45 goes right under the radar, but you attack, name call, misrepresent, discredit, and insult anything that may be considered just left neo-con. Ian hasn’t said anything wrong whatsoever to invoke the mob-mentality treatment here. Intelligent, thought provoking rebuttals have no place on these forums, because the poster gets abused and ultimately his posts are blocked (like many of mine in the past) by our most righteous moderators.
My favorite, is the completely unfounded “sock-puppetry” accusation, to justify privacy violations (announcing where I work) and comment blocking…
wow, I have been following this website for a long time now and you guys are relentless at dismantling any 2-way conversation. something like post # 45 goes right under the radar, but you attack, name call, misrepresent, discredit, and insult anything that may be considered just left neo-con. Ian hasn’t said anything wrong whatsoever to invoke the mob-mentality treatment here. Intelligent, thought provoking rebuttals have no place on these forums, because the poster gets abused and ultimately his posts are blocked (like many of mine in the past) by our most righteous moderators.
My favorite, is the completely unfounded “sock-puppetry” accusation, to justify privacy violations (announcing where I work) and comment blocking..
Ah Mr. Gray… The sock puppets sock puppet. And just to prove what a lying phony he is he makes the identical comment with the laughable name “comment poser” one minute after his previous comment.
Poser is pretty much it.
How would you like it if I showed up here with multiple comment names saying “yeah, that Mike is great. He knows what he is talking about.” The truth is, I don’t need to phony it up. I get enough REAL compliments.
And once again, you have nothing substantive to add to any meaningful discussion just another lefty rant from someone who is clearly a legend in his own mind.
What a shame no one else shares your high opinion of yourself.
P.S. Don’t bother trying to get through the spam filter again tonight. Other than illustrating how empty headed both you and Ian are, there’s no point.
Worse comment-thread ever.
Ya know it’s bad when the topic is nowhere to be found among the trolls and puppets, and the mods become entertainment for us regulars…THAT part was actually funny!
I like Glenn. He makes neo-fascists nervous….(And puppets appear, too!)
First of all, “The Truth”, aka Brent, did not go “under the radar”, but was addressed by quite a few, and outed by Aye Chi. That cyber-schizoid would have been better to be ignored since his comment was devoid of substance, and long on worthless insults.
In your opinion, Ian “hasn’t said anything wrong whatsoever”.
I, too, am allowed an opinion, and I disagree with you… @pointing out what specific comments I found offensive.
Ian, apparently, is a fan of 1st amendment genocide…. ala the world would be “better off without GB”. Certainly silencing dissenting voices of all calibres would result in a “unified” world. It would also be an oppressive world, with repressives as the dictators.
Other than that, I’m with Patvann. Worst comment thread ever.
@Mr. Gray: and @comment poser: sez:
Now that’s *very* interesting. Perhaps I’m missing it, but the only person who, himself, announced where he worked @was Ian Fitzgerald. Even that did not name a specific company.
So, Mr. Gray/poser…. You’re certainly welcome to point out what I didn’t catch – ala “announcing” where you are employed. Absent that, it appears you are admitting that… in addition to these two identities… you are also defending yourself as Ian Fitzgerald.
DOH! A bit of a slip of the keyboard tongue, eh?
I’m not looking to win any battles any more but two quick comments:
First of all, Ive never posted from a different name…notice my spelling errors.
Second: I think what “Mr. Gray” is saying about comment #45 going under the radar, is that it was a completely ridiculous post aimed to be slanderous and irrelevant to any pre-existing discussion. Thereby, i believe his point is that you guys have no limitations in what is written here as long as it either supports your cause or trashes your opposition’s. ‘
A term like 1st Amendment Genocide doesn’t make any sense. Genocide cannot relate to one entity. Second its not against the first amendment to say that the world would be better off without someone. The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, something not allotted by our hosts. I did not say, nor do i believe that Glenn Beck doesn’t have the right to do what he does, i just think his influence is a danger.
As far as this Obama/Bush thing of Blake’s: First of all again, I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian so I don’t trust Obama’s administration any more than I did Bush’s. I just happen to prefer the things Obama is doing to the things Bush did. I am of the belief that regardless of any perceived present value to a war in Iraq, we had legitimate reason to go in the first place and we will have spent more than 3$ Trillion dollars before we are out (Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html). That compared to saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and protecting one of Americas largest industries from moving to foreign countries at a time in which America is losing its grip as the premier economic power of the world.
I’m not saying that Obama’s actions are perfect or even the direction I would go. But (from the perspective stated in the above paragraph) I would prefer what Obama has done, than what Bush has done.
And i’m not sure from what info Blake you make your comment. As far as I’m concerned Bush left office with the highest national debt of any president and America was loosing a hundred thousand jobs a month. Im really not sure what could be worse than that from a completely objective stand point. Additionally, how is it that you can blame a democratic house for the debt caused by Bush’s war?
Anyway go a head with terms like sock-puppets as you all espouse the same views.
Whats really interesting about all this is my persistent desire to engage this bunch. Since there was some obvious confusion over the posts of Mr. Gray, I felt i needed to respond.
I’m not looking to win any battles any more but a few quick comments:
First of all, I have never posted from a different name. Notice I have no problem displaying my full name because I have no intention of hiding from any of my points… also notice my spelling errors.
Second: I think what “Mr. Gray” is saying about comment #45 going under the radar, is that it was a completely ridiculous post aimed to be slanderous and irrelevant to any pre-existing discussion. Thereby, i believe his point is that you guys have no limitations in what is written here as long as it either supports your cause or trashes your opposition’s. ‘
Third. A term like 1st Amendment Genocide doesn’t make any sense. Genocide cannot relate to one entity. Second its not against the first amendment to say that the world would be better off without someone. The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, something not allotted by our hosts. I did not say, nor do i believe that Glenn Beck doesn’t have the right to do what he does, i just think his influence is a danger.
Fourth. As far as this Obama/Bush thing of Blake’s: First of all again, I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian so I don’t trust Obama’s administration any more than I did Bush’s. I just happen to prefer the things Obama is doing to the things Bush did. I am of the belief that regardless of any perceived present value to a war in Iraq, we had legitimate reason to go in the first place and we will have spent more than 3$ Trillion dollars before we are out (Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html). That compared to saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and protecting one of Americas largest industries from moving to foreign countries at a time in which America is losing its grip as the premier economic power of the world.
I’m not saying that Obama’s actions are perfect or even the direction I would go. But (from the perspective stated in the above paragraph) I would prefer what Obama has done, than what Bush has done.
And i’m not sure from what info Blake you make your comment. As far as I’m concerned Bush left office with the highest national debt of any president and America was loosing a hundred thousand jobs a month. Im really not sure what could be worse than that from a completely objective stand point. Additionally, how is it that you can blame a democratic house for the debt caused by Bush’s war?
Anyway go a head with terms like sock-puppets as you all espouse the same views.
Whats really interesting about all this is my persistent desire to engage this bunch. Since there was some obvious confusion over the posts of Mr. Gray, I felt i needed to respond. Since I have been ousted for my heresy, i’m writing from another address of mine.
I’m not looking to win any battles any more but a few quick comments:
First of all, I have never posted from a different name. Notice I have no problem displaying my full name because I have no intention of hiding from any of my points… also notice my spelling errors.
Second: I think what “Mr. Gray” is saying about comment #45 going under the radar, is that it was a completely ridiculous post aimed to be slanderous and irrelevant to any pre-existing discussion. Thereby, i believe his point is that you guys have no limitations in what is written here as long as it either supports your cause or trashes your opposition’s. ‘
Third. A term like 1st Amendment Genocide doesn’t make any sense. Genocide cannot relate to one entity. Second its not against the first amendment to say that the world would be better off without someone. The first amendment guarantees freedom of speech, something not allotted by our hosts. I did not say, nor do i believe that Glenn Beck doesn’t have the right to do what he does, i just think his influence is a danger.
Fourth. As far as this Obama/Bush thing of Blake’s: First of all again, I prefer to think of myself as a libertarian so I don’t trust Obama’s administration any more than I did Bush’s. I just happen to prefer the things Obama is doing to the things Bush did. I am of the belief that regardless of any perceived present value to a war in Iraq, we had legitimate reason to go in the first place and we will have spent more than 3$ Trillion dollars before we are out (Wash Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030702846.html). That compared to saving hundreds of thousands of jobs and protecting one of Americas largest industries from moving to foreign countries at a time in which America is losing its grip as the premier economic power of the world.
I’m not saying that Obama’s actions are perfect or even the direction I would go. But (from the perspective stated in the above paragraph) I would prefer what Obama has done, than what Bush has done.
And i’m not sure from what info Blake you make your comment. As far as I’m concerned Bush left office with the highest national debt of any president and America was loosing a hundred thousand jobs a month. Im really not sure what could be worse than that from a completely objective stand point. Additionally, how is it that you can blame a democratic house for the debt caused by Bush’s war?
Anyway go a head with terms like sock-puppets as you all espouse the same views.
Well, I must say that was an interesting thread.
@Ian Fitzgerald: Ian: I realize you think your view is so much more important than anyone else’s but did you have to say it THREE TIMES?
Typical!
Go away Ian. You’re boring us to tears.
Go away Ian. You’re boring us to tears.
Go away Ian. You’re boring us to tears.
Can I drag this one out again:
I just read Ian’s most recent post3.
I give him a solid B+
ROFLMAO!!!!
@Ian Fitzgerald:
ORLY?
Roll the tape:
What was your point again?