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steve
13 years ago
Yes, but Al Gore says we are gong to have an early spring with terrifying run off. Therefore chickens will be crossed with humming birds, since the Libs want us to us to cut down on egg yolks, we will have regular chicken eggs with humming bird yolks. The hybrid bird will be called a humming chicken. Ain’t Socialism fun.
Global warming struck with a vengance here in Central Oregon last week end of the 5th and 6th. We had about five inches of snow and a low of about 19 here at our home in Redmond.
This was very early for out first storm. Where is al gore and his gorebucks to suck it all up.
steve
13 years ago
This serves only to demonstrate just how virulent and powerful global warming can be, it can make winter come early and with a vengeance. How insidious this global warming is, hiding itself as record cold. Twenty or thirty years of record cold temperatures will mean twenty or thirty years of record high temperature at the end of the 21st century. Oh, how those people yet unborn will suffer!
bill-tb
13 years ago
Going to be a rough winter for the hoaxers.
Tom in CA
13 years ago
I am so tired of this BS. It’s everywhere. My child’s textbook from middle school states that the Ice Age ended because of – guess what – GW. I asked my son if he thought all the coal fired generators back then were part of the problem. Perhaps some of the 18 wheelers at cavemen trucks stops were contributing.
At least my two children know that it is total crap. Sorry teachers, ya haven’t suckered mine!
Missy
13 years ago
Three weeks ago my granddaughter in Colorado posted in her facebook that it was snowing, they live outside of Steamboat Springs, but that’s still a bit early for them.
I’m staying home from Missouri this weekend because the forcast is rain all weekend and Sunday it’s rain, mixed with snow. Yuck.
We’ve had our property in Missouri since 1985, in all those years the lake would’nt be frozen over enough to drive on it until late January, then it would thaw and freeze, had to be careful. Last year we were driving out on it in December, it remained frozen all winter.
In Illinois, when we were kids, we wore winter coats over our Halloween costumes and at times trick-or-treated in the snow, we ice skated on the river during the Thanksgiving holiday. It’s was a different cycle then, it’s coming back, we’ve always had “climate change.”
AdrianS
13 years ago
Reject socialism! Reject Al Gore! Reject Obama! Touch the snow; feel the cool.
Excuse me for laughing, but, LOL! I checked my digital thermometer here in Wasilla (yes, it’s in Alaska) last night about 11 pm, and it read “+47 F”. I knew there was something fishy going on, so I went to the front porch and checked the old analog thermometer there. It said “48F”.
I’m so sorry you have so much snow…but you can be consoled by the fact that I will not be laughing by Christmas. (It IS kind of pretty…)
I enjoy the cold and the snow. Most people around where we live think evil thoughts of me(there are other reasons too but I can’t help it most liberals are trolls, extremely arrogant, and have to be right all the time) but the colder it gets, the nastier the weather, the more I like it.
I lived at 7200′ on the Mogollon Rim in Northern Arizona for almost 15 years and that was great.
Global warming is about as real as Obamacare and that it will save us money, yeah, sure.
Joe Smith
13 years ago
Climate Change research has indicated that regional extremes will exist. Climate change is disrupting normal jet streams and ocean currents patterns so it is reasonable that some areas will get colder (wetter, drier, hotter) than normal. The importance is to look at trends not single seasons or single events.
But the overall trend is warmer as evidenced by Glacier National Park. The amount of snow cover has been shrinking. In the summer of 2007 for the first time in the park’s 100 year history Gem Glacier was entirely snow-free. There are 27 glaciers when there used to be over 150. A single warm winter didn’t do this, it has taken a consistent change to have this effect.
Australia is experiencing a drought that has been called an “epic drought”. It has been going on for several years.
I would much rather be wrong that climate change is happening and have done something about it than be right about it and not done anything. If climate change is happening and we do nothing there won’t be much of an economy to do anything about. Economies can recover a bit faster than an ecosystem.
Tom in CA
13 years ago
Dear Joe,
Have you ever thought that perhaps ‘doing something’ is wrong? Maybe, in the course of billions of years that the earth has existed that that’s what it is supposed to do? That’s what the head of NASA believes. And what the hell is Climate Change Research or better yet who gives a shit?
So do your stupid little part and let the rest of us alone. I am so sick of this BS in my news, newspaper, children’s textbooks, advertisements. Go Away. Go buy some curly lightbulbs.
The ice melt across during the Antarctic summer (October-January) of 2008-2009 was the lowest ever recorded in the satellite history.
Such was the finding reported last week by Marco Tedesco and Andrew Monaghan in the journal Geophysical Research Letters:
A 30-year minimum Antarctic snowmelt record occurred during austral summer 2008-2009 according to spaceborne microwave observations for 1980-2009. Strong positive phases of both the El-Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO) and the Southern Hemisphere Annular Mode (SAM) were recorded during the months leading up to and including the 2008-2009 melt season.
Of course you certainly would never expect to see this news in the media.
Aye, Aye… you miss Joe’s own self admitted dichotomy… i.e. he sez:
Climate change is disrupting normal jet streams and ocean currents patterns so it is reasonable that some areas will get colder (wetter, drier, hotter) than normal. The importance is to look at trends not single seasons or single events.
Then he goes on to point out that Glacier National Park is the quintessential proof of global warming, despite more and more pointing out that climate change is towards cooling, not warming.
I guess those “some areas” only apply to the skeptics, and not to the AGW faithful. And of course that the park’s glaciers began to recede in 1910 doesn’t seem to impact his indoctrination…
Joe,
Please , by all means do your part so I can rest easy tonight and tomorrow, and the next day and the next….Do you need any extra eco bulbs? We have remoeved all the ones we tried as they totally suck, just like all thet hype and scare tactics of the GW trolls.The GW science and research is extremely suspect and I am not convinced. There are more and more scientists around the globe refuting GW and the skewed research of the past and present. I support this country becoming energy independent by using the resources we HAVE on hand. COAL, NUCLEAR POWER, OIL, HYDROELECRTIC and as they become economically avaialble, WIND, SOLAR and other ALTERNATIVE energy sources. I refuse to buy into the doom and gloom of the
GW stooges and you better kick it up a notch ot two in your effort. I just went to the store for some brews in my CLUNKER; 1995 Buick Riviera, supercharged that gets 32MPG on the Highway. I am going to be stoking up our woodstove to spew more particlulates into the atmosphere by using some more firewood as soon as I am done with this thread. Please don’t fret. Our woodstove is a newer model with three stages of burning and heat exchangers. I can get 10 to 12 hours of heat on one load of wood. If I use hardwood I can get burn/heat times of close to 20 plus hours. Some of the wood we are burning? Old growth Ponderosa Pine and Juniper that has been salvaged from local forest fires over the past 15 years. Salvaged logging sales that put people back to work in an area and state devasted by years of democratic, liberal politicians and blowhard environmentalists that have wrecked my state and many others. Some the finset and most concerned people that I have had the honor to know and work with have been loggers, fishermen, lumbermill workers, farmers, hunters who grew up with and on the land. Please take you your tripe and Al Gorism someplace else like Daily Kos or the Huffy Post.
You will have lots of like minded company there. You can have my carbon credits. They do not burn worth a damn in our woodstove.
PatriotUSA, allow me to be the first to commend you on your “recycling” and very green mentality INRE the useless energy saving light bulbs that drive a body crazy. I defy any of the green types to argue with recyling perfectly useable products! LOL
MataHarley,
Thanks for the compliment. I drive our liberalista friends crazy(yes, we have quite a few and many of them are extremely upset with themselves that they voted for Obama, imagine that).
I forgot to mention that we will be stocking up on the old style of light bulbs before Obama’s environazis’s come looking for us after 2012 when they will no longer be available. My “green”
mentality comes from working in the woods as a falller many, many years ago and knowing and learning the land on which I live, and have lived on and knowing what can be used and what must be left alone. I also fought fires, helped friends whos families owned ranches and farms.
I have worked with government hunters who removed problem bears, cougars, coyotes, run a trap line, woked in mills, mines and the forests. Lest anyone accuse me or say whatever about me; I have a Bachelors degree in American Military History with a double minor in Meteorology, Atmospheric Physics and Spanish. I do not claim to the smartest person nor do I have the market cornered on wisdom. I am an avid fisherman and practiced catch and release long before it became popular. I do not hunt anymore due to two spinal fusions and eight shoulder surgeries but when I did it was never wasteful or just for fun. I love guns, weapons in general and am self taught and educated in many areas. I do READ alot, and I do research on topics that I am passionate about. This country, freedom, liberty, the Constitution, Military history, Islamofascism, Islam, terrorism, socialism and other repressive forms of government or ideologies.
I enjoy Flopping Aces and I may not post often but I am here several times a day and have a link to FA on my blog, small as it is.I am off to the ‘fridge for another IPA.
Lisa
13 years ago
Hey right! I’m a far far leftie who is just stopping by to say hello, and that I don’t think that climate change is human caused. The crux of Al Gore’s argument- the whole polar ice cap air bubble carbon dioxide content- is classic post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Anyway, I just wanted to drop my 2 cents to help you make your points more persuasive. In the comments here, people are mixing up two different arguments. Either you believe that:
a) the climate is not changing
or
b) the climate is changing, but humans aren’t causing it.
Belief a) is ridiculous. Of course it is. Anybody who denies that our global climate is changing is just being absurdly ignorant. Huge denial. Every every every single scientist agrees that the climate is changing. Stick with belief b).
So don’t point to your snow day and say “SEE! NOT WARM! Therefore no climate change!” because not only are you arguing a closed point, but you’re proving yourself wrong. That it is the EARLIEST snow day is just another example of climate change! The climate! It has changed!
So to all the rational people who are arguing that climate is changing, but humans aren’t causing it: make sure you don’t get mixed in with climate change deniers. They’re bringing your argument down.
@Lisa: Al Gore acolytes claimed that the climate would change in the negative ways which I listed in the original post and more. The problem is that none of that is happening.
In the last 20 years we have advanced our scientific understanding of climate to a much greater degree than when many of these crackpot theories were first formalized. We still have much to learn about climate. But in all likelihood, the most obvious answer was right all along: the earth is warmed by the sun and the sun operates in cycles.
PatriotUSA… a ridge runner, so to speak, eh? Gotta love it. I often find that those who argue most passionately for environmental BS causes as those who have lived in the urban concrete jungle all their lives. Quite, in fact, the best environmentalists I know are the country dwellers.. who recognize environmental maintenance and the true meaning of “renewable resource”.
So when you’re an incandescent renegage, and need a fellow criminal with whom to bond… count me amongst your pals.
As for Joe? He may want to leave the busline every once and awhile to figure out what real “conservation” is.
Yes, but Al Gore says we are gong to have an early spring with terrifying run off. Therefore chickens will be crossed with humming birds, since the Libs want us to us to cut down on egg yolks, we will have regular chicken eggs with humming bird yolks. The hybrid bird will be called a humming chicken. Ain’t Socialism fun.
Global warming struck with a vengance here in Central Oregon last week end of the 5th and 6th. We had about five inches of snow and a low of about 19 here at our home in Redmond.
This was very early for out first storm. Where is al gore and his gorebucks to suck it all up.
This serves only to demonstrate just how virulent and powerful global warming can be, it can make winter come early and with a vengeance. How insidious this global warming is, hiding itself as record cold. Twenty or thirty years of record cold temperatures will mean twenty or thirty years of record high temperature at the end of the 21st century. Oh, how those people yet unborn will suffer!
Going to be a rough winter for the hoaxers.
I am so tired of this BS. It’s everywhere. My child’s textbook from middle school states that the Ice Age ended because of – guess what – GW. I asked my son if he thought all the coal fired generators back then were part of the problem. Perhaps some of the 18 wheelers at cavemen trucks stops were contributing.
At least my two children know that it is total crap. Sorry teachers, ya haven’t suckered mine!
Three weeks ago my granddaughter in Colorado posted in her facebook that it was snowing, they live outside of Steamboat Springs, but that’s still a bit early for them.
I’m staying home from Missouri this weekend because the forcast is rain all weekend and Sunday it’s rain, mixed with snow. Yuck.
We’ve had our property in Missouri since 1985, in all those years the lake would’nt be frozen over enough to drive on it until late January, then it would thaw and freeze, had to be careful. Last year we were driving out on it in December, it remained frozen all winter.
In Illinois, when we were kids, we wore winter coats over our Halloween costumes and at times trick-or-treated in the snow, we ice skated on the river during the Thanksgiving holiday. It’s was a different cycle then, it’s coming back, we’ve always had “climate change.”
Reject socialism! Reject Al Gore! Reject Obama! Touch the snow; feel the cool.
Excuse me for laughing, but, LOL! I checked my digital thermometer here in Wasilla (yes, it’s in Alaska) last night about 11 pm, and it read “+47 F”. I knew there was something fishy going on, so I went to the front porch and checked the old analog thermometer there. It said “48F”.
I’m so sorry you have so much snow…but you can be consoled by the fact that I will not be laughing by Christmas. (It IS kind of pretty…)
I enjoy the cold and the snow. Most people around where we live think evil thoughts of me(there are other reasons too but I can’t help it most liberals are trolls, extremely arrogant, and have to be right all the time) but the colder it gets, the nastier the weather, the more I like it.
I lived at 7200′ on the Mogollon Rim in Northern Arizona for almost 15 years and that was great.
Global warming is about as real as Obamacare and that it will save us money, yeah, sure.
Climate Change research has indicated that regional extremes will exist. Climate change is disrupting normal jet streams and ocean currents patterns so it is reasonable that some areas will get colder (wetter, drier, hotter) than normal. The importance is to look at trends not single seasons or single events.
But the overall trend is warmer as evidenced by Glacier National Park. The amount of snow cover has been shrinking. In the summer of 2007 for the first time in the park’s 100 year history Gem Glacier was entirely snow-free. There are 27 glaciers when there used to be over 150. A single warm winter didn’t do this, it has taken a consistent change to have this effect.
Australia is experiencing a drought that has been called an “epic drought”. It has been going on for several years.
I would much rather be wrong that climate change is happening and have done something about it than be right about it and not done anything. If climate change is happening and we do nothing there won’t be much of an economy to do anything about. Economies can recover a bit faster than an ecosystem.
Dear Joe,
Have you ever thought that perhaps ‘doing something’ is wrong? Maybe, in the course of billions of years that the earth has existed that that’s what it is supposed to do? That’s what the head of NASA believes. And what the hell is Climate Change Research or better yet who gives a shit?
So do your stupid little part and let the rest of us alone. I am so sick of this BS in my news, newspaper, children’s textbooks, advertisements. Go Away. Go buy some curly lightbulbs.
I DON”T BUY IT
Glacier National Park has been receding since 1910… dang all those cars on the road back then, eh?
Antarctic ice melt is at the lowest point in 30 years:
Of course you certainly would never expect to see this news in the media.
It doesn’t fit the template.
Aye, Aye… you miss Joe’s own self admitted dichotomy… i.e. he sez:
Then he goes on to point out that Glacier National Park is the quintessential proof of global warming, despite more and more pointing out that climate change is towards cooling, not warming.
I guess those “some areas” only apply to the skeptics, and not to the AGW faithful. And of course that the park’s glaciers began to recede in 1910 doesn’t seem to impact his indoctrination…
Joe,
Please , by all means do your part so I can rest easy tonight and tomorrow, and the next day and the next….Do you need any extra eco bulbs? We have remoeved all the ones we tried as they totally suck, just like all thet hype and scare tactics of the GW trolls.The GW science and research is extremely suspect and I am not convinced. There are more and more scientists around the globe refuting GW and the skewed research of the past and present. I support this country becoming energy independent by using the resources we HAVE on hand. COAL, NUCLEAR POWER, OIL, HYDROELECRTIC and as they become economically avaialble, WIND, SOLAR and other ALTERNATIVE energy sources. I refuse to buy into the doom and gloom of the
GW stooges and you better kick it up a notch ot two in your effort. I just went to the store for some brews in my CLUNKER; 1995 Buick Riviera, supercharged that gets 32MPG on the Highway. I am going to be stoking up our woodstove to spew more particlulates into the atmosphere by using some more firewood as soon as I am done with this thread. Please don’t fret. Our woodstove is a newer model with three stages of burning and heat exchangers. I can get 10 to 12 hours of heat on one load of wood. If I use hardwood I can get burn/heat times of close to 20 plus hours. Some of the wood we are burning? Old growth Ponderosa Pine and Juniper that has been salvaged from local forest fires over the past 15 years. Salvaged logging sales that put people back to work in an area and state devasted by years of democratic, liberal politicians and blowhard environmentalists that have wrecked my state and many others. Some the finset and most concerned people that I have had the honor to know and work with have been loggers, fishermen, lumbermill workers, farmers, hunters who grew up with and on the land. Please take you your tripe and Al Gorism someplace else like Daily Kos or the Huffy Post.
You will have lots of like minded company there. You can have my carbon credits. They do not burn worth a damn in our woodstove.
PatriotUSA, allow me to be the first to commend you on your “recycling” and very green mentality INRE the useless energy saving light bulbs that drive a body crazy. I defy any of the green types to argue with recyling perfectly useable products! LOL
MataHarley,
Thanks for the compliment. I drive our liberalista friends crazy(yes, we have quite a few and many of them are extremely upset with themselves that they voted for Obama, imagine that).
I forgot to mention that we will be stocking up on the old style of light bulbs before Obama’s environazis’s come looking for us after 2012 when they will no longer be available. My “green”
mentality comes from working in the woods as a falller many, many years ago and knowing and learning the land on which I live, and have lived on and knowing what can be used and what must be left alone. I also fought fires, helped friends whos families owned ranches and farms.
I have worked with government hunters who removed problem bears, cougars, coyotes, run a trap line, woked in mills, mines and the forests. Lest anyone accuse me or say whatever about me; I have a Bachelors degree in American Military History with a double minor in Meteorology, Atmospheric Physics and Spanish. I do not claim to the smartest person nor do I have the market cornered on wisdom. I am an avid fisherman and practiced catch and release long before it became popular. I do not hunt anymore due to two spinal fusions and eight shoulder surgeries but when I did it was never wasteful or just for fun. I love guns, weapons in general and am self taught and educated in many areas. I do READ alot, and I do research on topics that I am passionate about. This country, freedom, liberty, the Constitution, Military history, Islamofascism, Islam, terrorism, socialism and other repressive forms of government or ideologies.
I enjoy Flopping Aces and I may not post often but I am here several times a day and have a link to FA on my blog, small as it is.I am off to the ‘fridge for another IPA.
Hey right! I’m a far far leftie who is just stopping by to say hello, and that I don’t think that climate change is human caused. The crux of Al Gore’s argument- the whole polar ice cap air bubble carbon dioxide content- is classic post hoc ergo propter hoc.
Anyway, I just wanted to drop my 2 cents to help you make your points more persuasive. In the comments here, people are mixing up two different arguments. Either you believe that:
a) the climate is not changing
or
b) the climate is changing, but humans aren’t causing it.
Belief a) is ridiculous. Of course it is. Anybody who denies that our global climate is changing is just being absurdly ignorant. Huge denial. Every every every single scientist agrees that the climate is changing. Stick with belief b).
So don’t point to your snow day and say “SEE! NOT WARM! Therefore no climate change!” because not only are you arguing a closed point, but you’re proving yourself wrong. That it is the EARLIEST snow day is just another example of climate change! The climate! It has changed!
So to all the rational people who are arguing that climate is changing, but humans aren’t causing it: make sure you don’t get mixed in with climate change deniers. They’re bringing your argument down.
@Lisa: Al Gore acolytes claimed that the climate would change in the negative ways which I listed in the original post and more. The problem is that none of that is happening.
In the last 20 years we have advanced our scientific understanding of climate to a much greater degree than when many of these crackpot theories were first formalized. We still have much to learn about climate. But in all likelihood, the most obvious answer was right all along: the earth is warmed by the sun and the sun operates in cycles.
PatriotUSA… a ridge runner, so to speak, eh? Gotta love it. I often find that those who argue most passionately for environmental BS causes as those who have lived in the urban concrete jungle all their lives. Quite, in fact, the best environmentalists I know are the country dwellers.. who recognize environmental maintenance and the true meaning of “renewable resource”.
So when you’re an incandescent renegage, and need a fellow criminal with whom to bond… count me amongst your pals.
As for Joe? He may want to leave the busline every once and awhile to figure out what real “conservation” is.