BETRAYAL! Obama Terminates Missile Defense Agreements with Poland and Czech Republic Posted by Former Author on 17 September, 2009 at 7:36 am. 58 comments already! [DELETED BY AUTHOR] Aye says: September 21, 2009 at 1:03 pm Intrusion of reality. Roll the tape: The Heritage Foundation writes: About 33 Minutes: Protecting America in the New Missile Age 33 Minutes: Protecting America in the New Missile Age is a one-hour documentary produced by The Heritage Foundation that tells the story of the very real threat foreign enemies pose to every one us. The truth is brutal – no matter where on Earth a missile is launched from it would take 33 Minutes or less to hit the U.S. target it was programmed to destroy. Nuclear proliferation around the world, and the threat of a ballistic missile attack of some kind is mounting as more and more countries obtain nuclear technology. The ongoing threat toward America is also accelerating due to the fact that there are many rogue nations and terrorist organizations who either have or are seeking ballistic missiles and nuclear technology. The challenges of protecting America and its citizens for President Obama’s administration are great. Featuring rare footage and in-depth interviews with leading experts in the field, 33 Minutes is the definitive documentary exposing the untold vulnerability we all face and the action plan necessary to revive a strategic missile defense system that America uniquely can develop, maintain, and employ for its own defense and the peace-loving world’s security. smrstrauss says: September 21, 2009 at 1:57 pm When there is a tests of a long-range missile with multiple warheads and it is hit by one or more ABMs without the site that has the ABMs being notified that the test warheads are being sent at X time from X base, I will believe that ABMs work. Even if they do work, they do not protect well against submarine-launched missiles, which of course would be the ones that fired first at the ABM bases. I agree on layered defense. Where to start with layered defense? With systems aboard ships and submarines that are the most cost-effective. If the Poles or other European countries want to have US anti-missile bases right away, they can pay for them. Patvann says: September 21, 2009 at 2:51 pm @smrstrauss When I show you proof that what you just asked for has already happened, will you admit you were wrong? The fact that you have no clue to the test-program data, nor the capabilities of the PAC3 system, tells me you speak from a position of ignorance about both systems. Proof here Sub-launched attack is not a present concern when preparing for Norks and Iranians, and we already know where every Russian and Chinese subs are. We can also safely assume neither of those countries have any intention of starting a nuke-war with us. As an aside, NONE of our subs, nor anyone else’s subs are defensive in nature nor armament. Only our Aegis destroyers are fitted with the anti-missile tech. It seems disingenuous to me that this admin, and most lefties claim that missile defense won’t EVER work when Repubs are in the House funding it, then claim we shouldn’t field it because it isn’t proven enough, then try to cancel it because the first few tests don’t go well….NOW they want us to believe what was fielded and proved during the Bush years is now good enough. Mike's America says: September 21, 2009 at 3:03 pm @smrstrauss said: “If the Poles or other European countries want to have US anti-missile bases right away, they can pay for them. “ Once again we look back to history as the judge of what is right and what cost is worth it to defend what is right. In the 1930’s we failed to defend Czechoslovakia and Poland and the price we paid for that betrayal cannot be measured in dollars, but in millions of lives lost. What a shame you cannot accept the lessons the past teaches. What a horror if we should repeat them. Patvann says: September 21, 2009 at 6:48 pm Hey Mike I think another thing many of these weenies forget, is the incalculable cost of friendship. How much did crapping on the following countries cost us in future good-will and support? -Poland (The defensive missiles, dissing the 70 anniversary of WW2) -Czech Republic (No longer called Czechoslovakia, BTW.) (The long-range radar) -Honduras (Support of a dictatorial thug) -Columbia (Non-support of free trade agreements) -Israel (non-support of the right to breed) -The people of Iran (supporting Iamadinnerjacket) -S Korea (going it along w/norks) -Japan (same as above) -England (crappin on the Queen’s protocol, and the gifting mess) -France (hogging the D-day ceremony) -China (undue tarrifs) And this is the guy who claimed Bush abandoned our allies… Patvann says: September 21, 2009 at 9:17 pm @smrstrauss You seem to have suddenly become very quiet…. Honest dood, we (or at least me, because I can only speak for myself) have much more to teach you about what’s going on outside the world as described by the Usual Sources. So c’mon back! You might just be pleasantly surprised at the depth of experience some of us have in dealing with reality! Mike's America says: September 21, 2009 at 9:45 pm @Patvann: Sadly, the cost of Obama’s policy of dissing our friends while hugging rivals and enemies may not be apparent until some great crisis erupts. When the sin of appeasement is exposed once again as a dangerous and foolhardy policy we may not have the fullest measure of support from our allies if they can’t trust us or believe that we will be there for them. I’ll cut Mr. Strauss some slack for a while and hope he sees the light before long. As for me, I’d rather go pick on Larry W. some more. smrstrauss says: September 24, 2009 at 2:06 pm Re: “When I show you proof that what you just asked for has already happened, will you admit you were wrong? The fact that you have no clue to the test-program data, nor the capabilities of the PAC3 system, tells me you speak from a position of ignorance about both systems.” I have read that article. That was a test of the AEGIS system against a medium-range missile. It was not a test against a long-range missile, and I have specifically said that the AEGIS system seems to work. That is the ship based system that Obama indicates that he will deploy. This is logical. Deploying a system that HAS been proven somewhat effective is a lot better than deploying a system that has not been proved to be effective. Betrayal « Half-Baked Sourdough says: September 24, 2009 at 2:11 pm […] as to allow the betrayer access to our finer feelings. This piece isn’t necessarily about the current resident’s absolute stab in the back of Poland and the Czech and Slovak Republics, but it’s a good starting […] Patvann says: September 24, 2009 at 2:58 pm The missile was in low orbit, and was about as tough as they get, (except high-orbit) because it had a “surprise” within it. If it was long-range, the systems would have an easier time tracking it to kill it, but the Aegis can’t go that high. The system that was destined for Poland was virtually identical to the one 50 miles from my house at Vandenberg AFB, with it’s radar situated in Alaska. It’s been proven, or it wouldn’t be here. The system for Poland was to protect the east-coast of America, and N. Europe against orbital 3-stage missiles like the one Iran used for putting a satellite up recently. It could NOT have protected us or Europe against Russian ICBM’s, and the fact that Obama let Russia get away with saying it does is pretty pussy-assed. We got NOTHING in return, as Russia is keeping their recently-installed mid-range missiles near Poland, and aimed at Europe. We have NOTHING offensive aimed at Russia right now, per treaty. It will take time to install a Vandenberg-type system along the eastcoast. That is why the Polish ssytem was considered temporary. For the ship-based to work against Iran’s tristage, it would have to be in the Black Sea. You and I both know Russia would have a fit, if that was to happen. Keep abreast of that site. He gets the latest info first, because he’s part of it, and I will trust what he puts forth. The next-gen stuff is lasers on airplanes, but they need to be pretty close to launch-sites. You claim you want us to field “proven” systems…I agree. Now proclaim your disgust at system-cancellations that have yet to complete tests, such as what Obama has done.