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Real American Patriot
14 years ago
I find it interesting that you Mike are constantly saying MSM is so Liberal… In fact you gave them such slander in your most recent post the one before this post.
How is it then that ABC News released this article?
btw I hope they do investigate this claim.
firefirefire
14 years ago
I knew SanFranNan was lying,,,,How you ask?
I saw her mouth moving.
Scott Malensek
14 years ago
RAP, if the MSM were the non-biased check/balance they’re supposed to be instead of the left-wing lapdog that the were for years, then this fact would have come out six or seven years ago.
Pelosi lied [again]
FedUp
14 years ago
YA can’t fix stupid, but you CAN vote it out!
Emmanuel Goldberg
14 years ago
If she won’t talk willingly, that should be the end of it. Or, should EIT be used?
Neo
14 years ago
But it gets better …
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi held two hush hush meetings with CIA Director Leon Panetta and Democratic members of the Intelligence Committee last week.
“Her fear and frustration have apparently given way to panic after word reached her of the CIA’s reaction to the damage she, President Obama and other Democrats have done to the spy agency in the last three months, wrote Jed Babbin, a former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, in Human Events May 1. “Pelosi learned that her actions and those of President Obama have so damaged CIA morale that the agency’s ability to function could be in danger.”
bill-tb
14 years ago
The press hoards would be standing by as the Republican speaker walks into the building … I expect that will be the topic all day, lying to the American people.
What, you don’t think so? Why, wouldn’t that prove the media is fair when it comes to party?
Steve
14 years ago
She isn’t lying. She just has the attention span of a terrier when a cat is outside the window. She is stupid, incompetent, and her memory is only good for about three minutes and then it is gone. She looks at her name tag every morning to find out what her name is.
John ryan
14 years ago
Special Prosecutor !! Perhaps NOW the rightwing will support one being appointed ? whether waterboarding was specifically mentioned in the Sept 2002 meeting seems to have NOT actually been noted in writing. However we DO know that the first time it was mentioned in writing in Feb of 2003 Rep Harman (D CA) wrote to the CIA expressing concern. This was the only known formal objection that was raised.
Other Western intelligence services regard the Obama administration with contempt and rising concern, an officer of the DGSE, France’s military intelligence agency, told my friend Jack Wheeler (the real life Indiana
Jones) last week.
“All of us in our little community are worried — us, our friends in Berlin, London, Tel Aviv,” the DGSE officer told Jack. “It is not like the barbarians at the gates. It is every barbarian horde in the world being told there are no gates.”
@John ryan: If any of us thought that Obama, Reid and Pelosi would seriously enable a Special Prosecutor to investigate them we’d be all for it. But we know the drill. Find some Republican, ask him what he had for breakfast five years ago and when he can’t remember prosecute him for perjury. That’s what you clowns did to Scooter Libby who had NOTHING to do with the leak of Valerie Plames name. The real leaker, Richard Armitage at the State Dept. was NEVER charged with anything.
Rides A Pale Horse
14 years ago
Paleolousy and Co. are desperately looking for any Republican to blame this whole mess on. If anyone here or elsewhere thinks that ANY of these people will be held accountable for the lies, misdirection and obfuscation these people are engaged in, forget it. Ain’t gonna happen. Time and again it’s been proven that they can say or do anything they want without any kind of proof or evidence and be praised for “uncovering the truth”. In fact, the more lies and underhanded tactics used to slither out of responsibility for any actions only serves to be resume’ enhancement. Color me skeptical.
Besides……It’s all Bushs’ fault don’cha know………….
HL
14 years ago
If Pelosi knew about, or approved, waterboarding, then she should resign from Congress. However, nothing in that CIA data dump proves that she did know, and are significant doubts about the accuracy of what’s been released. This has all the earmarks of a wingnut hit job.
HL
14 years ago
Your editing function doesn’t work, hence the reposting with changes
If Pelosi knew about, or approved, waterboarding, then she should resign from Congress. However, nothing in that CIA data dump proves that she did know, and it turns out that there are significant doubts about the accuracy of what’s been released. This has all the earmarks of a wingnut hit job. Naturally, wingnut sites like “Flopping Aces” only tell part of the story, mentioning nothing about the doubts about the information’s accuracy. Par for the course with you people.
@HL accused : ” nothing in that CIA data dump proves that she did know, and it turns out that there are significant doubts about the accuracy of what’s been released. This has all the earmarks of a wingnut hit job. Naturally, wingnut sites like “Flopping Aces” only tell part of the story”
Well HL perhaps you should reread my post and pay special attention to:
Pelosi’s office is now trying to spin this further and insist that she wasn’t told about waterboarding. What will they say when the CIA reveals that yes, waterboarding WAS one of the enhanced interrogation techniques discussed, all of which Pelosi previously denied knowing much about?
And while you referred to documents which you claim suggest “significant doubts about the accuracy” of the report you fail to mention that Obama’s Director of National Intelligence states in that these same documents “provide a straightforward account of the interaction of congress on this issue.”
Is DNI Blair lying too?
And do I need to remind you that Porter Goss, who was in that first briefing with Pelosi knew that we were using waterboarding?
Is Porter Goss lying too?
But thanks for proving that Dems will NOT hold Pelosi to the same standard of accountablity you hold Republicans.
If there’s a “wing nut” loose around here I suggest it is you.
Stop spinning before you get dizzy and fall down and hurt yourself.
Here’s Blair’s letter in case you didn’t bother to read it before you linked to it:
HL
14 years ago
It might be true that Pelosi was told, but there are significant doubts. If she was told, then I think she should resign from Congress, along with whatever Republicans who were told. Actually, if she knew about it, then I’d like to see her prosecuted for war crimes, along with other members of Congress and Bush, Cheney and their aides. But we know that won’t happen, so mass resignations will suffice. That appellate judge who wrote the legal memo, he’s history. Going to be impeached.
@HL: If you bothered to read the list of people who were told about this you would be asking for the resignations of a very large number of congress critters.
There is no doubt, except in your mind, that Pelosi was informed. Just ask Porter Goss who was in that same meeting.
And if you want to start talking about impeachments there is another name you should add to that list. It starts with “O.”
The kitchen must getting awfully hot….Pelosi has changed her story….she has confessed to knowing more than she said she knew before….but she’s still not telling “the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insisted Friday that she was briefed only once about the “enhanced” interrogation techniques being used on terrorism suspects and that she was assured by lawyers with the CIA and the Department of Justice that the methods were legal.
Pelosi issued a statement after CIA records released this week showed that Pelosi was briefed in September 2002 on the interrogation methods. The briefings memo appeared to contradict the speaker’s claims that she was never told that waterboarding or other enhanced interrogation methods were being used.
“We were not — I repeat — were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation methods were used,” Pelosi said on April 23.
The emphasis seems to be on “were used,” even though she conceded in a statement released Friday that she was told they would be used.
“As I said in my statement of December 9, 2007: ‘I was briefed on interrogation techniques the (Bush) administration was considering using in the future. The administration advised that legal counsel for both the CIA and the Department of Justice had concluded that the techniques were legal,'” she said.
But even that statement is at odds with the official record of the briefings recorded in the CIA memo dated to Sept. 4, 2002. That memo says Pelosi received a “briefing on EITs (enhanced interrogation techniques), including use of EITs on Abu Zubaydah, background on authorities and a description of particular EITs that had been employed.“
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (Mich.), the top Republican on House Intelligence, in an interview Friday said the document proves that Pelosi knew waterboarding occurred but has denied is because of political pressure from the liberal base of her party.
“Clearly her left wing is outraged that waterboarding was used,” Hoekstra said. “The bottom line is she and her key staff, they all knew about it.”
Now that these documents have been released, Hoekstra is calling for additional CIA documents to be made public including some that he has read that provide a more complete account of what was discussed in lawmaker briefings.
He is also considering calling for congressional hearings on what members knew and when they knew it.
“I wouldn’t have a problem with the intelligence committee or the Judiciary Committee having hearings on this,” he said. “If [House Judiciary Chairman] John Conyers [D-Mich.] wants to have hearings, they shouldn’t call in the Department of Justice attorneys as their first witnesses. The first people that should be called in and held accountable ought to be Congress.”
Hoekstra also indicated he is considering sending Conyers a letter requesting such hearings.
@Aye Chihuahua: Good roundup Aye. Thanks for the update.
It should be clear, even to HL and the rest of the kool aid drinkers, that Nancy Pelosi lied.
Now, perhaps we should go back and compile a list of all the libs who have commented on this and similar posts saying that if Nancy Knew, Nancy should resign.
Let’s see if these guys are all talk.
TONY
14 years ago
WHEN I SEE HEADLINES ON DRUDGE REPORT I KNOW I CAN TRUST THE INFORMATION
It’s kind of a specious argument to try and still say Pelosi didn’t know when the released logs date the briefing as happening on Sept. 4, ’02 and according to court documents, the waterboarding of Zubaydah took place almost a full month prior to that date. She was informed of the techniques used. It couldn’t be more clear, although if she persists in her charade I’m sure the actual minutes of the briefing will also come out.
While those who whine and cry about how awful we are, they focus on the techniques only and ignore what protocols led up to them, what safety measures were in place, and how decisions were made before they were implemented. All of which were also revealed.
For the record, I’m against torture also. The difference is, I don’t believe these methods qualify as torture. I’ve been through waterboarding twice. In truth, there were several other training regimens that I considered much worse personally. Having to remove our gas masks in an enclosed structure filled with CS gas and staying for at least three minutes in order to qualify is one that immediately comes to mind. Others are still classified, but none were “torture” as I and thousands of other trainees who went through it define it. I’ve SEEN real torture and this ain’t it.
All that aside, I don’t believe the critics really believe these techniques are torture either, but that’s another debate.
What’s TRULY significant about what is coming out of these documents and what is being ignored is that they show that we ARE a moral country, The very fact that so much time and effort was spent on defining what we could, (and more importantly couldn’t) do, as well as the strict procedures in place for the escalation of enhanced techniques shows that we DO care about the rule of law and our own moral positions. None of these techniques were just used indiscriminately. There were clear and precise procedures in place for each session, permission needed to be sought and granted before they were implemented, and results evaluated. The hysterics of the left are being exposed for the utter hypocrisy that they are.
The Intelligence Report just released as well as other documents and news articles, show that not only were these critics informed, but that slides were shown, virtual tours (and in Biden’s case actual tours), were given, techniques discussed and evaluated and funding both sought and approved. Every session went through chain of command. More than 40 briefings were given, and over 60 votes for funding held and passed. Harmon, on a single occasion in 2003, voiced her concern in a private letter. It wasn’t until late 2006 when the program became an issue, that any PUBLIC objection was raised. The very same people who were all for it are now the loudest in their false condemnation. Pelosi herself asked in a 2002 briefing, if “we were doing enough”.
Another facet being revealed is that the vast majority of both the Gitmo prisoners and those interrogated in the field were not plotting attacks in the US, but attacks on our troops and the innocents in both Iraq and Afghanistan in a hot war zone. The groups they represented did sometimes have links to domestic operations as well, but these were for the most part, as Gaubatz points out, true enemy combatants, or terrorists if you will.
“… many of the interrogations our team conducted were not within the safe confines of a ‘friendly’ base or inside a prison. The vast majority of our interrogations were in the field. The only guidance other agents and I had received was the enemy we were fighting were specifically Islamic terrorists (Saddam civilian Fedeyeen and supporters of Al Qaeda); neither who wore military uniforms…”
That’s a fact that Americans here at home seem to know only in the abstract, but the guys like him, in the trenches and tasked with saving lives, knew first hand.
The libs can self flagellate all they want about what is or isn’t torture, but hypocrisy and betrayal of trust by those who approved, funded and gave their blessing to those very techniques should be dragged kicking and screaming into the light. It’s just starting you hypocrites, and all your posturing and false morality will be exposed. You can thank Obama for that when you are tossed out on your ass in 2010. People are waking up to the monstrous fraud you are perpetrating, all for the sake of more and more power.
Just this week, Eric Holder, testifying in front of Congress was asked by several Senators exactly what he knew about the renditions by Clinton that HE orchestrated and what techniques those prisoners were subjected to in places like Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE and Saudi Arabia. He squirmed like a worm on a hook and said he couldn’t remember…
Right…
Something he SHOULD remember is that despite all of the posturing, Obama has NOT stopped renditions, Gitmo is still open and most likely won’t be closed anytime in the forseeable future, tribunals are back on the table and all those enhanced techniques he despises are still available for use under his own EO.
Thank you @wardogs. An excellent and insightful comment.
I want to repeat this just so our liberal friends won’t miss it (though they will probably ignore it):
I’m against torture also. The difference is, I don’t believe these methods qualify as torture. I’ve been through waterboarding twice. In truth, there were several other training regimens that I considered much worse personally. Having to remove our gas masks in an enclosed structure filled with CS gas and staying for at least three minutes in order to qualify is one that immediately comes to mind. Others are still classified, but none were “torture” as I and thousands of other trainees who went through it define it. I’ve SEEN real torture and this ain’t it.
And after reading much of the memos that Obama released I have to agree that we bent over backwards to make sure we were not torturing people, or attempting to cause pain or harm, but to gain information that saved lives.
And it bears repeating about another hundred times that we WATERBOARDED JUST THREE OF THESE MONSTERS!
How perverse it is that libs show more concern for the comfort of mass murdering terrorists than they do about the pain caused to the unborn in partial birth abortions.
Somehow crushing the skull of and sucking out the brains of thousands of babies seems much worse to me than giving THREE murdering terrorists a bath.
wardogs… I logged in late today, noticed a full spam filter, and went thru one by one to pull out the gems… of which your’s was one.
So we apologize that your comment was posted hours after you submitted it. Sometimes the spam filter is random, grabbing comments for nothing we can identify.
Your astute comment is actually worthy of a “reader post”. I do hope you will consider submitting some when you have the whim. But what encapulates it all in a single sentence?
All that aside, I don’t believe the critics really believe these techniques are torture either, but that’s another debate.
Exactly… this isn’t about some feigned morality. it’s merely a political dance for the public and media while the illicit gambling goes on in the back room. But for most of the nation, wearing their O’faithful 3-D glasses, they’ll have to wait for the actual agenda to become more obvious before they figure it out.
In the meantime, my heart soars knowing it was you, and those like you, who have my back for my safety and freedom. Many thanks.
I find it interesting that you Mike are constantly saying MSM is so Liberal… In fact you gave them such slander in your most recent post the one before this post.
How is it then that ABC News released this article?
btw I hope they do investigate this claim.
I knew SanFranNan was lying,,,,How you ask?
I saw her mouth moving.
RAP, if the MSM were the non-biased check/balance they’re supposed to be instead of the left-wing lapdog that the were for years, then this fact would have come out six or seven years ago.
Pelosi lied [again]
YA can’t fix stupid, but you CAN vote it out!
If she won’t talk willingly, that should be the end of it. Or, should EIT be used?
But it gets better …
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi held two hush hush meetings with CIA Director Leon Panetta and Democratic members of the Intelligence Committee last week.
“Her fear and frustration have apparently given way to panic after word reached her of the CIA’s reaction to the damage she, President Obama and other Democrats have done to the spy agency in the last three months, wrote Jed Babbin, a former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, in Human Events May 1. “Pelosi learned that her actions and those of President Obama have so damaged CIA morale that the agency’s ability to function could be in danger.”
The press hoards would be standing by as the Republican speaker walks into the building … I expect that will be the topic all day, lying to the American people.
What, you don’t think so? Why, wouldn’t that prove the media is fair when it comes to party?
She isn’t lying. She just has the attention span of a terrier when a cat is outside the window. She is stupid, incompetent, and her memory is only good for about three minutes and then it is gone. She looks at her name tag every morning to find out what her name is.
Special Prosecutor !! Perhaps NOW the rightwing will support one being appointed ? whether waterboarding was specifically mentioned in the Sept 2002 meeting seems to have NOT actually been noted in writing. However we DO know that the first time it was mentioned in writing in Feb of 2003 Rep Harman (D CA) wrote to the CIA expressing concern. This was the only known formal objection that was raised.
@Neo: Thanks for the link to the latest Jack Kelly column. Note that the one spook said he never met a Republican.
Also, interesting at the end:
@John ryan: If any of us thought that Obama, Reid and Pelosi would seriously enable a Special Prosecutor to investigate them we’d be all for it. But we know the drill. Find some Republican, ask him what he had for breakfast five years ago and when he can’t remember prosecute him for perjury. That’s what you clowns did to Scooter Libby who had NOTHING to do with the leak of Valerie Plames name. The real leaker, Richard Armitage at the State Dept. was NEVER charged with anything.
Paleolousy and Co. are desperately looking for any Republican to blame this whole mess on. If anyone here or elsewhere thinks that ANY of these people will be held accountable for the lies, misdirection and obfuscation these people are engaged in, forget it. Ain’t gonna happen. Time and again it’s been proven that they can say or do anything they want without any kind of proof or evidence and be praised for “uncovering the truth”. In fact, the more lies and underhanded tactics used to slither out of responsibility for any actions only serves to be resume’ enhancement. Color me skeptical.
Besides……It’s all Bushs’ fault don’cha know………….
If Pelosi knew about, or approved, waterboarding, then she should resign from Congress. However, nothing in that CIA data dump proves that she did know, and are significant doubts about the accuracy of what’s been released. This has all the earmarks of a wingnut hit job.
Your editing function doesn’t work, hence the reposting with changes
If Pelosi knew about, or approved, waterboarding, then she should resign from Congress. However, nothing in that CIA data dump proves that she did know, and it turns out that there are significant doubts about the accuracy of what’s been released. This has all the earmarks of a wingnut hit job. Naturally, wingnut sites like “Flopping Aces” only tell part of the story, mentioning nothing about the doubts about the information’s accuracy. Par for the course with you people.
@HL:
Heh.
There are no “significant doubts”.
None whatsoever.
Even your own source says that the CIA info may very well be true and accurate.
The straws are in the kitchen drawer on the left. Feel free to take as many as you like.
@HL accused : ” nothing in that CIA data dump proves that she did know, and it turns out that there are significant doubts about the accuracy of what’s been released. This has all the earmarks of a wingnut hit job. Naturally, wingnut sites like “Flopping Aces” only tell part of the story”
Well HL perhaps you should reread my post and pay special attention to:
And while you referred to documents which you claim suggest “significant doubts about the accuracy” of the report you fail to mention that Obama’s Director of National Intelligence states in that these same documents “provide a straightforward account of the interaction of congress on this issue.”
Is DNI Blair lying too?
And do I need to remind you that Porter Goss, who was in that first briefing with Pelosi knew that we were using waterboarding?
Is Porter Goss lying too?
But thanks for proving that Dems will NOT hold Pelosi to the same standard of accountablity you hold Republicans.
If there’s a “wing nut” loose around here I suggest it is you.
Stop spinning before you get dizzy and fall down and hurt yourself.
Here’s Blair’s letter in case you didn’t bother to read it before you linked to it:
It might be true that Pelosi was told, but there are significant doubts. If she was told, then I think she should resign from Congress, along with whatever Republicans who were told. Actually, if she knew about it, then I’d like to see her prosecuted for war crimes, along with other members of Congress and Bush, Cheney and their aides. But we know that won’t happen, so mass resignations will suffice. That appellate judge who wrote the legal memo, he’s history. Going to be impeached.
@HL: If you bothered to read the list of people who were told about this you would be asking for the resignations of a very large number of congress critters.
There is no doubt, except in your mind, that Pelosi was informed. Just ask Porter Goss who was in that same meeting.
And if you want to start talking about impeachments there is another name you should add to that list. It starts with “O.”
The kitchen must getting awfully hot….Pelosi has changed her story….she has confessed to knowing more than she said she knew before….but she’s still not telling “the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”
“Oh what a tangled web we weave”
I’m not sure if I should go with “can of worms” or “Pandora’s box” to describe the situation that the Dims now find themselves in:
Yes, by all means, let the truth hearings begin.
@Aye Chihuahua: Good roundup Aye. Thanks for the update.
It should be clear, even to HL and the rest of the kool aid drinkers, that Nancy Pelosi lied.
Now, perhaps we should go back and compile a list of all the libs who have commented on this and similar posts saying that if Nancy Knew, Nancy should resign.
Let’s see if these guys are all talk.
WHEN I SEE HEADLINES ON DRUDGE REPORT I KNOW I CAN TRUST THE INFORMATION
It’s kind of a specious argument to try and still say Pelosi didn’t know when the released logs date the briefing as happening on Sept. 4, ’02 and according to court documents, the waterboarding of Zubaydah took place almost a full month prior to that date. She was informed of the techniques used. It couldn’t be more clear, although if she persists in her charade I’m sure the actual minutes of the briefing will also come out.
To me however, many are missing more important elements of this pushback by the intelligence community, not just in Pelosi’s case but in others like the FrontPage interview with Gaubatz posted here a couple days ago.
While those who whine and cry about how awful we are, they focus on the techniques only and ignore what protocols led up to them, what safety measures were in place, and how decisions were made before they were implemented. All of which were also revealed.
For the record, I’m against torture also. The difference is, I don’t believe these methods qualify as torture. I’ve been through waterboarding twice. In truth, there were several other training regimens that I considered much worse personally. Having to remove our gas masks in an enclosed structure filled with CS gas and staying for at least three minutes in order to qualify is one that immediately comes to mind. Others are still classified, but none were “torture” as I and thousands of other trainees who went through it define it. I’ve SEEN real torture and this ain’t it.
All that aside, I don’t believe the critics really believe these techniques are torture either, but that’s another debate.
What’s TRULY significant about what is coming out of these documents and what is being ignored is that they show that we ARE a moral country, The very fact that so much time and effort was spent on defining what we could, (and more importantly couldn’t) do, as well as the strict procedures in place for the escalation of enhanced techniques shows that we DO care about the rule of law and our own moral positions. None of these techniques were just used indiscriminately. There were clear and precise procedures in place for each session, permission needed to be sought and granted before they were implemented, and results evaluated. The hysterics of the left are being exposed for the utter hypocrisy that they are.
The Intelligence Report just released as well as other documents and news articles, show that not only were these critics informed, but that slides were shown, virtual tours (and in Biden’s case actual tours), were given, techniques discussed and evaluated and funding both sought and approved. Every session went through chain of command. More than 40 briefings were given, and over 60 votes for funding held and passed. Harmon, on a single occasion in 2003, voiced her concern in a private letter. It wasn’t until late 2006 when the program became an issue, that any PUBLIC objection was raised. The very same people who were all for it are now the loudest in their false condemnation. Pelosi herself asked in a 2002 briefing, if “we were doing enough”.
Another facet being revealed is that the vast majority of both the Gitmo prisoners and those interrogated in the field were not plotting attacks in the US, but attacks on our troops and the innocents in both Iraq and Afghanistan in a hot war zone. The groups they represented did sometimes have links to domestic operations as well, but these were for the most part, as Gaubatz points out, true enemy combatants, or terrorists if you will.
“… many of the interrogations our team conducted were not within the safe confines of a ‘friendly’ base or inside a prison. The vast majority of our interrogations were in the field. The only guidance other agents and I had received was the enemy we were fighting were specifically Islamic terrorists (Saddam civilian Fedeyeen and supporters of Al Qaeda); neither who wore military uniforms…”
That’s a fact that Americans here at home seem to know only in the abstract, but the guys like him, in the trenches and tasked with saving lives, knew first hand.
The libs can self flagellate all they want about what is or isn’t torture, but hypocrisy and betrayal of trust by those who approved, funded and gave their blessing to those very techniques should be dragged kicking and screaming into the light. It’s just starting you hypocrites, and all your posturing and false morality will be exposed. You can thank Obama for that when you are tossed out on your ass in 2010. People are waking up to the monstrous fraud you are perpetrating, all for the sake of more and more power.
Just this week, Eric Holder, testifying in front of Congress was asked by several Senators exactly what he knew about the renditions by Clinton that HE orchestrated and what techniques those prisoners were subjected to in places like Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, the UAE and Saudi Arabia. He squirmed like a worm on a hook and said he couldn’t remember…
Right…
Something he SHOULD remember is that despite all of the posturing, Obama has NOT stopped renditions, Gitmo is still open and most likely won’t be closed anytime in the forseeable future, tribunals are back on the table and all those enhanced techniques he despises are still available for use under his own EO.
Lying nest of vipers.
wardogs
@TONY: Did you bother to read the CIA report?
Thank you @wardogs. An excellent and insightful comment.
I want to repeat this just so our liberal friends won’t miss it (though they will probably ignore it):
And after reading much of the memos that Obama released I have to agree that we bent over backwards to make sure we were not torturing people, or attempting to cause pain or harm, but to gain information that saved lives.
And it bears repeating about another hundred times that we WATERBOARDED JUST THREE OF THESE MONSTERS!
How perverse it is that libs show more concern for the comfort of mass murdering terrorists than they do about the pain caused to the unborn in partial birth abortions.
Somehow crushing the skull of and sucking out the brains of thousands of babies seems much worse to me than giving THREE murdering terrorists a bath.
wardogs… I logged in late today, noticed a full spam filter, and went thru one by one to pull out the gems… of which your’s was one.
So we apologize that your comment was posted hours after you submitted it. Sometimes the spam filter is random, grabbing comments for nothing we can identify.
Your astute comment is actually worthy of a “reader post”. I do hope you will consider submitting some when you have the whim. But what encapulates it all in a single sentence?
Exactly… this isn’t about some feigned morality. it’s merely a political dance for the public and media while the illicit gambling goes on in the back room. But for most of the nation, wearing their O’faithful 3-D glasses, they’ll have to wait for the actual agenda to become more obvious before they figure it out.
In the meantime, my heart soars knowing it was you, and those like you, who have my back for my safety and freedom. Many thanks.