The hero to the left who threw his shoes at President Bush is a supporter of Che, and Sadr. Shocking!
Now we get more of a picture of 28-year-old Muntadhar al-Zeidi, today a hero among many other Arabs for chucking his sneakers. A visiting AP writer noted that al-Zeidi’s apartment was decked out with a poster of murderer Che Guevara, and chatted with his brother, Dhirgham:
“‘He hates the American physical occupation as much as he hates the Iranian moral occupation,’ Dhirgham said, alluding to the influence of pro-Iranian Shiite clerics in political and social life. ‘As for Iran, he considers the regime to be the other side of the American coin.’
…Al-Zeidi may have also been motivated by what a colleague described as a boastful, showoff personality.
‘He tried to raise topics to show that nobody is as smart as he is,’ said Zanko Ahmed, a Kurdish journalist who attended a journalism training course with al-Zeidi in Lebanon.
Ahmed recalled that al-Zeidi spoke glowingly of anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, whose followers organized protests Monday to demand his release.
‘Regrettably, he didn’t learn anything from the course in Lebanon, where we were taught ethics of journalism and how to be detached and neutral,’ Ahmed said.”
Reading the description of this guy you have to note the similarities to the American left. Anti-American, has a ego the size of Manhatten, and can’t control his anger. And just like the left, is too cowardly to have thrown shoes at a real dictator like Saddam. He waits until the man who gave him the freedom to make such foolish symbolic gestures arrives and THEN does it.
Then there is news that man came away with a few broken bones:
THE Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at US President George W Bush has a broken arm and ribs after being struck by Iraqi security agents, his brother said.
Durgham Zaidi was unable to say whether his brother Muntazer had sustained the injuries while being overpowered during Sunday’s protest against President Bush’s visit or while in custody later.
He said he had been told that his brother was being held by Iraqi forces in the heavily fortified Green Zone compound in central Baghdad where the US embassy and most government offices are housed.
“He has got a broken arm and ribs, and cuts to his eye and arm,” Durgham said.
“He is being held by forces under the command of Muaffaq al-Rubaie, Iraq’s national security adviser.”
And the left is a bit upset.
They weren’t upset with shoes being thrown at the head of our President, but they are when it comes to injuries given to the man who assaulted the President.
The left never ceases to amaze me.
Anyways, the shoe thrower showed up today with those broken bones and basically pled guilty as charged:
BAGHDAD, Dec 16 (Reuters) – An Iraqi journalist who hurled his shoes at U.S. President George W. Bush appeared before a judge on Tuesday and admitted “aggression against a president”, a judicial spokesman said.
~~~“Al-Zaidi was brought today before the investigating judge in the presence of a defence lawyer and a prosecutor,” said Abdul Satar Birqadr, spokesman for Iraq’s High Judicial Council. “He admits the action he carried out.”
The court decided to keep Zaidi in custody and, after the judge has completed his investigation, it may send him for trial under a clause in the Iraqi penal code that makes it an offence to try to murder Iraqi or foreign presidents.
The sentence for such a crime could be up to 15 years jail, Birqadr said.
15 years and some broken ribs. Sounds about right to me.
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15 years and some broken ribs. Sounds about right to me.
Really?
Fifteen years for throwing shoes?
The MSM is reporting a max of 2 years.
If he had done that to his idol Saddam he and his entire family would have been run through the woodchipper feet first by now.
Oh, and to learn the truth about the “courageous man of the people-Che,” read the book Exposing the Real Che Guevara: And the Useful Idiots Who Idolize Him.
You’ll learn that the left has knowingly lionized a wannabe Hitler or Stalin who was about as competent as Inspector Clouseau and as brave as the French Army.
Seriously, do you really think a long prison sentence is appropriate?
The man threw a pair of shoes, and missed. By the biblical standard “an eye for an eye,” he’s suffered enough already.
@M. Onan Batterload:
I disagree. No different had he assaulted a visiting world leader by spitting upon him. It’s a serious transgression. And what’s with this “eye for an eye” kay-rap? This isn’t about taking revenge upon the man, but punishing criminal misconduct.
Ralph Peters has a great column:
“He knew he could get away with it.”
A prison sentence plus various broken bones and whatever caused the stain described here —
— is not “getting away with it,” except in a relative sense.
Hussein or Hitler or Stalin would have had him skinned alive. But I simply asked the author of this post whether he really believes that a fifteen-year prison sentence is appropriate for the crime al-Zaidi committed.
Onan, are you trying to throw the Bible in the face of those you think are “fundies” as proof of their hypocrisy? If so you are on the wrong site.
15 years? Hmmmm. Seeing as how he’s an al-sadr flunkie I say 5+ years.
BTW onan, where does it say he suffered any broken bones? Nowhere. Was it necessary to lie or exaggerate to support your claim? As for the “large” blood trail, define large? A bloody nose will leave a blood trail. Besides, he chose to throw the shoes and he chose to fight when they tried to take him into custody. Those are just some of the consequences of his actions.
Ok, correction. The article onan linked said nothing about broken bones. However the main artcile does. As for the claim of broken bones, I don’t belive it since it comes from his brother.
It’s been reported elsewhere. But I agree the reports could be wrong.
I don’t think you’re fundies. If I wanted to accuse you of hypocrisy, I’d have asked you what you think the punishment should be for these bastards 🙂
I’m questioning your sense of justice.
And I question yours. He resisted those trying to protect the president and because he got roughed up he should be let go? That would be considered an assault in America too. I say give him jail time.
On your link, talk about hypocrisy…on your part. Saddam wasn’t our enemy at the time awhile Iran was and still is. Not to mention Iran was the creation of a dem president. What is it about you moonbats that makes you hate the thought of fighting our enemies? As for your name, yes you certainly are a jerkoff.
Onan didn’t jerk off. He pulled out to avoid impregnating Tamar. For that, God killed him.
I suppose y’all think that was just too.
From the forum name you picked I’d say you are English or a fan of their humor.
Moanin batterload…the quality of trolls is way down these days…
I’m an American troll, and who doesn’t like English humor?
As for the quality of my trolling, well… comment nine was yours, Hardly.
What’s the problem here???
The simple fact is that Zeidi is a coward. If he had done that to Saddam, he would be dead.
Oh, he got roughed up??? Might go to jail for sometime??? So what????
Zeidi is pro-saddam right??? Under Saddam, if you throw your shoes at an arab leader, you get sodomized and killed. So if Zeidi gets roughed up, he is only receiving what he himself APPROVES of, since he supports Saddam. Fair right???
Hopefully they make his interrogation into a video and put it on youtube for us all to enjoy. Since Zeidi wanted to put Bush on youtube getting hit by shoes, I’m sure he won’t mind being put up on youtube himself.
What a clown. No wonder he and his friends lost big to the americans. No talent, no guts at all.
Onan asks Curt whether he thinks a term of 7-14 years imprisonment is fair for the offense. He sounds like a typical defense attorney to me.
It really depends on the laws of the country with jurisdiction over the case. In America, simple assault alone could get you put away for up to 2 years. He resisted arrest, which would have added an additional sentense of up to 2 years. Simple assault was committed by the journalist once he engaged in a verbal assault upon our president.
Yet this wasn’t a case of simple assault. It was premeditated aggravated assault and attempted battery using an item as a weapon not once, but twice. That ramps up the seriousness of the offense. In addition, it was augmented by the offense being committed, not only to a visiting dignitary being hosted by the government, but compounded by that dignitary being a head of state of a foreign government. Such actions can result in what’s called “international incidents” which typically would tend to increase the sentence, as the perp’s government now may be faced with a situation of possibly having to quell outrage by the offended nation. As Bush graciously did not take personal offense, nor blame or hold hard feelings against the Iraqi government for the act of a single individual. The Iraqi government was partially spared such embarrassment.
Under Iraq law, the case could have been pursued as the attempted murder of a foreign government leader.
7-14 years is a light sentence considering what could have happened to him under the full brunt of his country’s ire.
People whose hearts bleed for the criminal element and whom are notoriously poor advocates for victim’s rights, would likely consider this act as nothing. Or try to justify it as some form of “free speech”. That’s because many of them have no problem with protesters and activists on their side of issues committing acts of violence against others, or the destruction of property. Trying to make light of it, or turn it into a joke, as Onan seems to wish to do, is a reflection of his own poor moral judgment and demonstrative of the decline in morality within those of his ilk which has become a pestilence on civilization as a whole. He is blind to the corruption of society. As surely as many moonbats here choose to remain blind to or overlook the corruptions within their choice of a leader for this country.
To sum up, Yes he is deserving of such a sentence and the suggestion that he should in some way be compensated in his sentencing for alleged injuries he sustained as a consequence of his further decision to resist arrest is laughable.
So the guy throws a shoe at Bush. So he should be imprisoned for 15 years? 5 years? Is this what counts as “freedom” in Iraq? Whatever man. This is the 501st Keyboardists coming to Bush’s rescue to claim on the one hand that Iraq is now the kind of place where people can throw shoes (unlike Saddam’s Iraq) BUT if they do, they should get 15 years in prison.
The United States is basically full of knuckledraggers.
Uh, Joe….do you REALLY think someone could throw a shoe at Saddam and live? If so, how quickly you forget.
15yrs seems strong to me too, but it is an attack on the leader of the nation that has removed a tyrannical dictator, brought democracy, and SAVED MILLIONS OF IRAQI LIVES.
Ah yes, Joe the brave attacking others…from behind the safety of his keyboard. Moron.
Joe, Scott… I think the point here is neither of you, me, or the US in general, has any business dictating and micromanaging Iraqi judicial sentencing mandates… neither morally, nor politically.
If they were cutting off his feet as punishment, I’d say the world would step in. Other than that, there are plenty of sentencing “huhs??” for crimes here in the US as well.
BTW, I wonder how many years one would get aiming a pair of stilettos at Obama?
Oh my! Were you wearing a powdered wig when you wrote that, Rocky? I’m being lectured on morality by a guy who thinks a 14-year prison sentence is just punishment for throwing shoes at a “visiting dignitary.”
Are you an American, Rocky? How about you, Curt? Does the phrase “cruel and unusual” mean anything to you people?
So you’re in favor of the US dictating specifics to the Iraqi judicials system, Batterload? And here I thought we were supposed to let the Iraqis decide for themselves….
Your words, MataHarley.
I simply asked Curt if he really believes that “15 years and some broken ribs” is an appropriate punishment for the crime al-Zaidi commited.
Would I have said it if I didn’t believe it appropriate. He wasn’t assaulting some store owner. He was assaulting a head of state. Have someone try it when Obama is giving a speech and you can bet your ass he will get a far more tougher sentence then if he had assaulted a storeowner or some regular joe.
As far as the broken bones, if he wants to put up a fight, that’s what he gets.
Actually, Batterload, I was not addressing your question to Curt. I was referring to your #22 opinion that 15 years was “cruel and unusual punishment”. Thus my rhetorical question to you INRE whether you, or the US, should have any business dictating judicial sentencing guidelines to the Iraqis.
In my opinion, I agree it is excessive time. However I fall way short of agreeing it is “cruel and unusual punishment”… reserving that for other sentences like the severing of limbs – as has been done in Saddam’s Iraq. And I will also not participate in interfering with the new Iraq govt’s decisions in these particular matters.
Yes Onan, I am American and in answer to your suggestion that the potential sentence for this crime is “cruel and unusual”, obviously you have no idea what the concept even means. I refer you to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruel_and_unusual_punishment
The standard sentence by Iraqi law and as specified to the defendant by the justice he appeared before at his arraignment for the crime is 7-14 years confinement (I am presuming the additional year bringing it up to a possible 15 years is due to his resisting arrest). It was not one of physical disfigurement, torture, or death, as Mata points out, he likely would have suffered under the previous government. It is not excessive by the statute given, so the punishment fits the crime. Therefore your argument that it is cruel and unusual becomes moot. The case had not even gone to trial yet, so the 15 year maximum is not necessarily the sentence the individual will actually be required to serve.
A similar sentence might have also been assigned had the individual been tried in our American court system. However, we all know that with time served, good behavior, and early parole reductions, the likely-hood of any individual serving their full time of imprisonment as sentenced is usually very rare.
Our own judicial system unfortunately has become IMHO far too acclimated to the “slap on the wrist and don’t do it again” type of sentencing where those who go in come right back out and return to their criminal activities not only without being reformed or rehabilitated, but having learned from fellow inmates hows to “cultivate and enhance their skills”. They come out and commit the very same crimes.
I would not be surprised Onan, if you were also against the registration of child predators and those who rape as being “cruel and unusual” and a threat to their Constitutional right to the “pursuit of happiness” (or perversiveness). Why do you care more for the criminal element Onan? Are you part of their order? Do not “real” victims have a right to be happy and live their lives unmolested and free from fear or intimidation?
Very well done, Mr. Rocky. My FA baseball cap off to you for a very responsible, and info chock filled response… done in a persuasive conservative manner that even Larry W would have to admire, I might add.
If we had a “FA retort of the day” award, I personally would be lobbying for you… depending on what the other authors paid me, of course… LOL
Onan: What a shame this crime wasn’t committed in Illionois. Zeidi could have bought a pardon from the governor.
Yes, very impressive use of Wikipedia in defining what is cruel, Rocky. Did you know that Joseph Farah of World Net Daily was a homosexual and a href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Farah&oldid=230467074″>baby eater?
I bet he’s against the the registration of child predators too.
That second link should be: baby eater.
My firewall won’t let me edit.
Ya know batterbrain, you claim not to be a troll and yet behave exactly like one. If the “shoe” fits…
“15yrs seems strong to me too, but it is an attack on the leader of the nation that has removed a tyrannical dictator, brought democracy, and SAVED MILLIONS OF IRAQI LIVES.”
Yeah. Ok. It’s an attack on the leader of a nation that invade the sovereign country of Iraq, and caused a couple of hundred thousand deaths in the process, torture, beatings, looting, etc.
“Democracy”… indeed.
“I think the point here is neither of you, me, or the US in general, has any business dictating and micromanaging Iraqi judicial sentencing mandates… neither morally, nor politically.”
Tell that to the Bush Administration invaded Iraq on the pretext of WMD, and has spent the past 5 years telling the Iraqis how to run their country.
Joe, you seem to be vying for the biggest leftwing assclown on FA award.
Sovereign? Funny, your kind was all for Kosovo and stood behind obama saying we should invade Pakistan.
As usual you bring up the lies about the number of Iraqi civilians killed and then blame us for the actions of terrorists.
WMD pretext? Way to “cherry pick” from the total list of reasons. It seems moonbats just have to be unstable, ignorant, POS’s.
Go back and look at my #15, Hardly. Then review your #9 and #10.
Do you read wrong, or get mixed up afterwards?
@MataHarley:
Like Ramos and Campion who were given the same exact sentencing they received the first time around, even though the charge against them of covering up the crime was vacated? Does 11-12 years seem excessive for defending our borders against a convicted drug smuggler who gets only 9 years, plus an undisclosed settlement in the millions by our government? Pfft!
@M. Onan Batterload:
Well, what would be a fair and appropriate sentence, in your eye? And would the sentence be harsh enough to act as a deterrent toward future would-be shoe-throwers at world leaders? Or would it only encourage more of the same from copycats looking to make a name for themselves?
@Joe Strummer:
Well, that’s the moonbat way of looking at it. The decision to invade Iraq is built upon a 12 year history of UN violations; it wasn’t fabricated out of thin air on Bush’s watch.
Would the world be better off today, if Saddam were left in power? Saddam was a wmd threat (intent and capability were a big part of the justification(s) along with a history of use- not just the possible possession of stockpiles). In a post-9/11 world, knowing that Saddam had extensive ties to funding, sponsoring, training, and working with terrorists, we just could not let his 12 year history of violating the original cease-fire agreement and subsequent UN resolutions stand any longer, given that terrorists could be used as proxies to carry out wmd attacks against a common enemy- the United States.
Joe Strummer said:
Really… three elections, a self-styled constitution, leadership that didn’t see eye to eye with Bush. Perhaps you’ll give us some specific examples of President George W. Bush “telling the Iraqis how to run their country”.
Or is that just convenient partisan rhetoric and BDS talking?
BTW, the permanent Iraqi govt has only been in place since the summer of 2006. Prior to that, it was the temporarily elected interim govt.
So perhaps you’d like to let us know how anyone… least of all Bush.. could be telling a govt what to do for five years when they have only been in place for 2.5 years? Or did you have the same math instructor as Ms. Warp’ed?
@Wordsmith:
If Maliki is smart, he’ll let him walk. Zaidi hurt no one. Why make him a martyr to be used by people who are truly dangerous?
“If Maliki is smart, he’ll let him walk.” (Onan)
Sure Onan, let him walk away so others will be tempted to do the same thing since there is no accountablity for their actions. O boy!
“Zaidi hurt no one.”
Only because Bush was fast enough to avoid it, but Zaidi’s intention was to hurt him.
“Why make him a martyr to be used by people who are truly dangerous?”
He is already a hero for the Radicals. For them, hero or martyr is the same thing.
Hey Craig.
Why don’t you go back to texasdarlin and see if they’ve found Obama’s secret communist email address.
Hahahahahahaha.
Laugh all you want,Onan, but Obama is a communist at heart. I know you don’t care because you hate your country. So I am not sorry for you I am only sorry for the Americans who loves their country. And by the way, texasdarlin is a democrat blog.
No, texasdarlin is a PUMA blog. Anything on a PUMA blog is complete and utter crap until proven otherwise.
You apparently didn’t bother to investigate at all, or you would have seen that anyone could have edited that address.
Texas Darlin is peddling an edited version of an address that Google Web pulls up from cache. If you do a fresh search the address directly in Google Maps, you get this. As of right now, it shows no phone number at all.
But, you know, it can be edited.
Onan you are confuse. You are the one who is a complete utter crap until proven otherwise. And it will never happen because you are really crap. So you hate conservative and PUMA blogs, so why don’t you stick to your stinking leftists blogs? What are you doing here anyway? Are you lost? I would think so. BTW your pseudonym also stinks… only a leftist moonbat would chose such a ridicule pseudonym. Go play somewhere else.
Joe Strummer;
His imprisonment, as pointed out, is up to the Iraqi justice system. If they adhere to their standards then yes. And the notion/assumption that since Iraq was liberated and the people can now enjoy freedom they did not have under Saddam, that now lawlessness is an accepted behavior, an inherent right, and nobody should serve jail time is laughable.
Onan;
I suspect Mata was not referring solely to the definition or the source I used, but to the rest of my argument, which does seem to have “stymied” you, as you ignored most of it.
By the later statement, it appears my suspicion was correct and you DO have a problem with child predators being registered and monitored. Why is that? Does such legislation cramp your style?
I used the Wikipedia definition of “cruel and inhuman” as I figured that as a proponent of criminal rights, you might find their interpretation more palatable as they tend towards the more “liberal” of views.
The links you referred to; http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Farah&direction=next&oldid=256521318 (as edited by IP address; 208.86.117.15) & http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Farah&direction=next&oldid=226248103 (as edited by IP address; 76.210.68.126) is what Wikipedia moderators refer to as internet vandalism. So, by your reference are you coming clean to admit guilt in vandalizing their websites as well?
Obviously your angst against Joseph Farah is that he is very active in speaking out against partial birth abortion. Yet I don’t see how comparing those apples to these oranges improves your credibility.
1) Pray tell what does Joseph Farah have to do with a shoe thrower?
2) Even if he were homosexual, which I doubt, I suggest you are not making any points with LBGT in the Dem party by insinuating that being of the homosexual lifestyle automatically makes them a child predator.
If your intention was merely to point out that Wikipedia definitions can be manipulated and therefore untrustworthy, then perhaps you would rather use the English Bill of Rights of 1689, from which the term originates:
Or as the Founding Fathers viewed it:
Under either version; your allegation that up to 15 years of imprisonment still fails the “cruel and unusual punishment test. Yet even then, it is not how the laws of either England or America pertain to it, but how the sovereign country of Iraq defines the term. Regardless, your opinion remains a moot point.
Why it that Onan? What are you planning to do if he doesn’t? That journalist’s act was an insult not only to Bush, but to Maliki. Allowing such indiscretions to slide would only serve to embolden others. Nope that is not a serious option, no matter how our MSM now seem to love the guy.
Charade, go troll elsewhere. We are over our quota for inbred leftist trolls. Wonder if you’ll be here when your messiah crashes and burns? THEN we’ll see what a failed administration looks like. I’m betting no as your kind can dish it out, but can’t take it.
Craig, batterbrain is displaying his selfless narcissism. You see, he’s showing compassion in order to feel better about himself while making himself feel superior to others. So by taking the stance the poor “victim” of “bushitler” should be let go, he gets to pretend he’s a good person and pat himself on the back. Leftists have a strong need to feel they are special and superior to others.
EASILY the best post of the week
LOVE LOVE LOVE the “dumbeist” part, OMG! That’s awesome! Please come back. It’s like saying someone doesn’t know how to reed and right. FRIGGIN CLASSIK!
Hard Right, Charde is Jasmine, aka David, aka David101 etal attempting to worm her way back thru the spam filters with her latest incarnation. I booted her butt back to the spam filter.
She was, of course, the authoress of Scott’s “dumbeist” best post of the week award.
David and Jasmine, charade…..transgendered?
Either way, thanks. We need to break out the moonbatacide spray it seems.
Just carrying on with the traditional ban that was in place, HR.
DW, aka DW5000, aka MikesDumbmerica – also less affectionately known as DimWit and DeadWeight – regularly tries as well. That’s why he started his own website, dedicated to his personal hatred of Mike’s A.
Wow. Nothing says you’ve made it like your own web stalker. Dead Weight…truth in advertising.
I find it funny how Muntadhar al-Zeidi acts as if he grieves about the deaths of innocent Iraqis, but is perfectly
fine with the violent acts perpetrated by Muqtada Al-Sadr and his loyalists. Just my perspective. He blames the
presence of the United States military for the deaths, but not Al-Sadr for the countless attacks he has orchestrated
against Sunnis, who bore the most suffering from the fighting between Sunni Insurgents and Al-Sadr’s Shia’ militants.
Which by the way is largely responsible for the violence in Iraq.
“I guess when they list the most dumbeist President’s in U.S history, George W. Bush is a
“shoe in” to get the #1 spot!”
You’re also a “shoe in” to be hooked on phonics’ favorite customer.