(Some excerpts from the Chicago Tribune)The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama’s U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama’s election.
The suit originally sought to stay the election, and was filed on behalf of Leo Donofrio against New Jersey Secretary of State Nina Mitchell Wells, however, this is simply one of the myriad of suits currently attesting that Obama either isn’t born a U.S. citizen or that he later renounced his citizenship in Indonesia.
The Obama campaign has maintained that he was born in Hawaii, has an authentic birth certificate, and is a “natural-born” U.S. citizen. Hawaiian officials agree. The Director of the Department of Health of Hawaii has issued an Official Statement saying that she has verified that Obama has a birth certificate on file in accordance with Hawaiian law, however, it was NOT stated that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaiian law states that if a foreign born child is adopted in Hawaii (Obama was by his stepfather) then an amended Hawaiian birth certificate can be issued! The Certification of Live Birth from Hawaii that the Obama campaign posted on the Internet isn’t considered by critics to resolve the issue, since during the 1960s when Obama was born, the new state issued the document to infants not necessarily born in Hawaii.
A fact of the matter, whether relevant or not is: Under U.S. law, since 1790, the child of any woman who is a U.S. citizen is a “natural born” citizen, regardless of where they are born…and that is why the Republican Party was able to nominate Panamanian born John McCain, however, the flip side of that is: the transferred citizenship of those born “abroad” like McCain has an age requirement of 19. Hussein Obama’s mother was under 19 so, he IF (and I truly hope he wasn’t so we avoid a huge constitutional crisis) was born in Kenya and the birth certificate on file in Hawaii is the original and is valid but is NOT from Hawaii he is not a naturalized citizen according to the Constitution.
The Phillip Berg suit of which people are generally familiar was thrown out brought up some interesting facts about Obama: Obama has not released any of his medical records. Mr. Berg believes that the reason is is because you will find Obama’s birth place on his medical records. Obama has not released his college records. Mr. Berg believes you will find that Obama received foreign aid listed on his college records. Mr. Berg wanted Obama to do just one simple thing – produce a copy of his original birth certificate. Obama for some reason just won’t produce it. Strange, huh?
Hopefully the US Supreme Court will hear this. At least get it to a conclusion.
I don’t think there’s any way in Hell that the Supreme Court will grant certiorari in this case. They won’t want to open Pandora’s Box and the ensuing chaos it’ll create.
Although I wish they would. These are questions that need answers.
My wife and I just recently moved to a different state and she had to apply for a new cosmetology license (she is a hair-stylist). Guess what…they would not accept a COLB. The requirement was for a copy of her BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Why must us peons be held to a much higher standard than those who we put in charge of running our country. It is odd that our government demands more from us than we do of them, yet they work for us.
thebronze: I completely agree, however, I hope that full closure is obtained by their review. If they leave it unresolved, then that in itself opens a can of worms.
icancopyandpastetoo: We have the same requirements in Georgia. If there is no basis of fact for these challenges, then why the hell doesn’t the courts say so. The courts have NOT thrown out any suits because the facts were in dispute, they threw them out on ‘technicalities’.
ICanCopyandPasteToo:
You just said everything I have been thinking and trying to put into words for a while. THANK YOU!!! I am so sick of the government trying to get away with everything, and then condeming us every time some little thing happens. It is time for them to finally stand up for what is right.
I’m sure there is a perfectly rational explanation. Maybe he’s a pod person? Maybe he was assembled by aliens? See, perfectly rational…
laws and the constitution were created for a reason, to have order. why obama feels he is above the law is beyind me, interesting that he is appointing (even if illegal) all of his opponites to cabinate level positions, wonder is that was the carrot to get them to drop out of the race.
Lemme rewrite this here for ya so it makes some sense: “Hussein Obama’s mother was under 19 so, he IF (and I truly hope he wasn’t so we avoid a huge constitutional crisis) was born in Kenya and the birth certificate on file in Hawaii is the original and is valid but is NOT from Hawaii he is not a *naturalized* citizen according to the Constitution.”
Using SQL syntax and some grammar, we get:
Hussein Obama’s mother was under 19 so, IF he was born in Kenya (and I truly hope he wasn’t so we avoid a huge constitutional crisis) AND the birth certificate on file in Hawaii is the original AND it is valid but does NOT confirm he was born in Hawaii, he then is not a *natural born* citizen, and is not eligble to be president according to the Constitution.
A little better, anyhoo. Naturalized citizens are those who are not citizens by birth. I don’t think the Constitution defines ‘natural born citizen’, either. That’s probably a legislative issue.
Only two conditions must be met to prove his birth status: a vault birth certificate must exist and it must confirm he was born in Hawaii. I think the first condition is true, but the second we’re being asked to take solely on trust. I say — trust, but verify.
It’s very ominous that Obama won’t release his birth records or his college transcripts. In fact, he has gone to great lengths to keep them secret. There has to be something big he’s hiding.
PS, Here we have a president-elect ™ who seems to be flouting the very Constitution he will be sworn to “preserve, protect and defend”. If he had any integrity at all, he’d produce the damn birth certificate and take his lumps for whatever else it exposes him as.
FLOUT:
Synonyms: affront, defy, deride, disregard, gibe, gird, insult, jeer, laugh at, mock, outrage, quip, repudiate, ridicule, scoff, scorn, slight, sneer, spurn, taunt, thumb nose at
Antonyms: honor, respect
Yup. That’s the right word.
thebronze:
If they refuse the case, they’ve set the precedent that a Presidential candidate need not prove eligibility. Is that not also a huge Pandora’s Box?
They have discussed that matter on texasdarlin.com. Great articles and more than 300 replies on each articles. Very good insight there. So if the SCOTUS reject it, then it means that the SCOTUS is as corrupted as Obama is.
Four Questions For The Trojan Candidate (350 responses)
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/16/four-questions-for-the-trojan-candidate/
It’s Not the Birth Certificate (258 responses)
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/its-not-the-birth-certificate/
Natural Born Citizens: Or How to Beat a Subject to Death with a Stick. (283 responses)
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/natural-born-citizens-or-how-to-beat-a-subject-to-death-with-a-stick/
i agree there is no way they will open this bad of worm and start the chaos that would ensue. And i am sticking to my story, if Obama needed to come up with a birth certificate, real or not his illuminati friends are powerful enough to to do it. Just drop it my republican friends. This issue is going to get you no where fast!
“Just drop it my republican friends.” (Road Warrior)
Ug! It’s because Texasdalin is a democrat blog and so is Berg the one who filed the first case.
I don’t think nearly as big (from a Lefty’s view) as what over-turning his election would be.
For you and I, yes. For them, no.
Don’t you see? It’s about doing whatever the Lefty’s say, not what The Constitution says.
It would seem that more and more, The Constitution is there to allow politicians to do whatever-the Hell-they-want and for the rest of us to do whatever they say, regardless of what The Constitution says…
Do as I say, not as I do.
You think people are kidding about this? Take a look at this blog; 1,579 responses today.
Will Supreme Court Take Case on Obama’s Citizenship?
http://www.chron.com/disp/discuss.mpl/front/6145787.html?p=108
Mr. Obama’s Eligibility to be Aired Monday at the National Press Club
“QUEENSBURY, N.Y., Dec 04, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ — On Monday, December 8, 2008, at 1:30 pm, the We The People Foundation will conduct a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C.
The licensed attorneys who initiated lawsuits in PA (Philip Berg), NJ (Leo Donofrio) and CA (Orly Taitz), challenging Mr. Obama’s legal eligibility to hold the Office of President of the United States, will briefly summarize the facts, legal arguments and status of their cases. They will answer questions from the press.
Prior to the start of the conference, at 10 am, the Supreme Court of the United States is expected to announce whether it will consider applications from these attorneys who have asked the Court to delay the proceedings of the Electoral College pending a determination of the underlying constitutional question – the meaning of the “natural born citizen” clause of Article II of the Constitution and its application to Mr. Obama.”
Read the rest here:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Mr-Obamas-Eligibility-Aired-Monday/story.aspx?guid=%7B35E191D7-D7BD-4722-BAF1-E6C0CBC18EA3%7D
Great article that everybody should read:
STAND BY ME
By Dr. Kate, an Exclusive for TD Blog
“Before I begin this essay, I want to speak to the many naysayers, disbelievers, and those who are simply anguished, and who (a) doubt the ‘validity’ of the lawsuits, or criticize the attorneys involved, and who (b) doubt that, or would be surprised if, the Supreme Court will do anything on this issue. Many are thinking the Court will want to avoid civil unrest and believe that it will succumb to “public pressure”, the standing issue, the ‘popular vote’, or the ‘procedural errors’, and dismiss the cases outright. Many people have forgotten that the Supreme Court has historically and knowingly taken on controversial issues despite the perceived threat or reality of civil unrest. Think of the civil rights cases.
To me this ‘disbelief’ or “surprise” is a telling sign, as it reveals in part how little people understand or know of the history of the U.S. Constitution in our founding as a structure for governance, nor the laws, amendments, decisions, and proceedings that mark our growth as a Nation. Fundamentally, though, the ‘despair’ reveals a loss of trust in our national government, our legal system, and our political systems, resulting in a cynicism that threatens our very existence as a Nation. Right. Now.”
Read the rest:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/stand-by-me/
Constitution: Original Intent Vs Living Document – Ed Vieira
Craig: Awesome! Thank you! I simply made the excerpted post just to get the article on this blog. What I have read since is mind boggling. The ‘Stand By Me’ article is thought provoking and very very troubling with the Alinsky angle. Always knew that Obama’s involvement with those radicals wasn’t as innocent as he pretends.
srrr
“If they refuse the case, they’ve set the precedent that a Presidential candidate need not prove eligibility. Is that not also a huge Pandora’s Box?”
Another Constitutional scholar? Please – any of you – show us the lines in the constitution that demand that Obama PROVE to YOU his citizenship. It doesn’t exist. It doesn’t say a word about birth certificates or showing proof or anything other than the requirement itself. I seriously doubt that the founding fathers would want to see an election overturned because POLTICAL OPERATIVES AND OPPONENTS scoured immigration law to find obscure and arcane clauses to disqualify. Obama has stated he’s a citizen. He’s put up a certificate that declares him born in hawaii. Some have called it a fake – based on an ANNONYMOUS “expert” who made claims WITHOUT even examining the original document. Others are now relying on a long-distance phone call from a woman who claims she’s O’s grandmother and was in Kenya and is at the time of his birth there – and still others are saying that a newspaper clip announcing his birth in hawaii means NOTHING – and then we have those who claim that EVERY American has STANDING to challenge Obama’s qualifications – opening the door – of course, to EVERY president from this point forward having to prove himself to EVERY person claiming a gripe. I read one post on a blog that stated that even if Obama should produce a birth certificate, than the FBI and forensic experts should declare it legitimate – never mind that Officials in hawaii have already done so – that’s not GOOD ENOUGH.
Where was this passion when Bush was accused (and sued by Phil Berg) for his part in the 9/11 attacks? Why no moaning about the Supreme’s passing on THAT case?
Could this all be POLITICAL?
Nah – I’m sure if McCain had won and some lefty was trying to get the Supreme Court to overturn the election (based on HIS questionable birth place)- I’m sure you’d all be cheering for the lawsuit to get tried..
I’m just POSITIVE of it…just as I’m positive that if CONGRESS should clear Obama for eligibility – as it did McCain – you’ll all consider the matter settled…
warpublican, in one way I agree with you. If the FEC and/or parties don’t opt to verify a candidate’s eligibility, there is no requirement that the eligibility is proven.
If they run them for office successfully, and an opposing candidates files a lawsuit with standing (i.e. Alan Keyes, which has not made it’s way up thru the judicial food chain yet), then the candidate will be legally obliged to prove the eligibility to answer the lawsuit.
No one.. not even a President elect – is immune from answering the US courts. Nor should they be. However it is like anything else. If you are at fault in an auto accident, and I don’t press charges, you get off scott free. However if I file charges, and request damages thru a lawsuit, you are obliged to respond and defend yourself. In either instance, you are guilty… but if you are not charged you are… as Bill Ayers likes to say… “guilty as sin and free as a bird”.
In the case of Obama, if Keyes lawsuit (as opposed to Berg’s or any of the other 10 lawsuits filed with a similar charge) is not throw out for standing, Obama must respond to the judge’s (or panel of peers) satisfaction.
Last I looked, Congress is not the legal authority to “clear” anyone when there is a lawsuit pending. They create legislation… not interpret it. There was no lawsuit against McCain. McCain’s situation is different as his two American parents were citizens, and stationed for his father’s duty outside the US. Obama is not the product of American military. His origin is certainly more vague.
And BTW, before you pronounce yourself some legal scholar, and make blanket statements on the legality of the Hawaiian COLB, you might want to read the brief to get the details you do not know. Keyes’ is the most applicable as he and his running mate have standing as a competitive candidate in the election.
I would not be surprised that, had the election turned out different, the shoe might not be on the other legal foot. In that case, McCain is just as obliged to honor judicial inquiries.
I’m not sure what is more disconcerting… that the vagueness of his birth was not thoroughly disclosed and vetted at the onset, or that citizens like you don’t care if Obama finds it
mandatory… sorry, meant *optional*… that he satisfy a request filed via a lawsuit. It strikes me that if his citizenship is all that apparent, why does he not just put it to rest and provide all documents that any lawsuit requests, instead of hiring over three legal terms to fight any response? Certainly his refusal to comply is more damning.This is my President-elect, tho I did not support him in any of his campaign promises. But I will not allow him to bypass our judicial system because of blind support by the faithful who prefer to cry political “foul”.
Warpublican Review/Mata:
Mata: Excellent points and Warpublican Review, check out the links already posted by Craig. The articles are illuminating, thought provoking….and troubling. They go to the gist of what Warpublican has stated, though contrary to his statements.
“This is my President-elect, tho I did not support him in any of his campaign promises. But I will not allow him to bypass our judicial system because of blind support by the faithful who prefer to cry political “foul”.”
Obama has certainly NOT bypassed our judicial system – I’m pretty sure that when called upon – by court order – to produce whatever documents need be produced, obama will have everything in place. I’m also sure that Obama need not satisfy the folks at Hot Air or Flopping Aces merely because they want him to – just as he refused to “fight harder” as the left demaned of him during the election – this guy runs his own show at his discretion and seems to come out on top. I trust Obama because I believe in him – and also – when I read the “charges” against him – and the proof offered, I’m not convinced that there’s any “there” there. And I have read quite a lot on this – it’s been going on for months and months. here’s what I believe:
1 – Obama is an American citizen by birth and entitled to be president.
2 – Searching for arcane immigration rules as a “gotcha” has NOTHING to do with the Constitutional requirement for the job, nor the Framers intent.
3 – the COLB is a legitimate document and proves that he’s entitled to be president.
4 – most of those rasing these issues have a score to settle (Keyes) – or are conspiracy nuts (Berg) – or just have no standing and are here to cause trouble (the New Jersey guy). Nor do I believe that berg or Keyes are concerned about a Constitutional crises – particularly when they’re the ones looking to create this crises. I believe that Obama believes he’s an American citizen entitled to run for this office. Even though I don’t need the proof – just as I would never have demanded it of McCain – nor wanted to see the election overturned based on HIS birth status had he won, I think that Obama’s legitimate and that those who are looking for arcane legal points and technicalities are more interested in promoting their own name and destroying Obama for reasons that have nothing to do with his citizenship – this reeks of political intrigue – not a genuine concern for our constitution or America…No decent ciotizen would want to throw an election AFTER the fact based on inuendo and conspiracy theories…
Warpublican Review:
It’s far from just “inuendo and conspiracy theories…”…far more. You are spinning it exactly like others of your ilk have been doing to avoid the issue.
Every blog on the left says Keyes has a score to settle and that the matter of the birth certificate is a done deal and closed. Why should he have a ‘score to settle’ simply because he got his butt whipped?
Again, the last paragraph of my post: The Phillip Berg suit of which people are generally familiar was thrown out brought up some interesting facts about Obama: Obama has not released any of his medical records. Mr. Berg believes that the reason is is because you will find Obama’s birth place on his medical records. Obama has not released his college records. Mr. Berg believes you will find that Obama received foreign aid listed on his college records. Mr. Berg wanted Obama to do just one simple thing – produce a copy of his original birth certificate. Obama for some reason just won’t produce it. Strange, huh?
OBAMA HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE, PERIOD. Such secrecy before he even takes the oath makes one wonder what the future portends when he does take office.
While you don’t seem to have any problem with that, there are far more than Keyes, Berg, and Donofrio involved in this situation and there appears to be some substance to the matter aside from your ‘conspiracy’ brush-off. We will see what we’ll see. Read the links above Then come back and critique.
I wish to express my sincere thanks to all of those who seek to uphold the Constitution of the United States. In particular, Mr. Berg, Mr. Donofrio, Ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes, and so many others. Thanks.
It seems to me, in my humble opinion, that this is not so much about the definition of natural born citizen, but rather the implementation of the Constitutional requirement that the President of the United States be a natural born citizen. And, it is of grave importance that this issue of whether Mr. Barack Hussein Obama is a natural born citizen, or not, be settled immediately.
We live in a country where the law is paramount and the Constitution of the U.S. is the supreme law. If there are those who wish to change the Constitution, they must do it by amendment not by usurping the power of the government.
Mr. Obama must not be allowed to serve in any way without first providing that which the Constitution requires; that is, proof that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen. Otherwise, Mr. Obama would be a usurper, without justification and without power or authority. It would be a high crime and treason.
Note: Mr. Obama’s website states that he is a “native born citizen.” Go figure. The Constitution requires that the President of the U.S. be a “natural born citizen.” Must do.
FYI
http://theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
“No decent citizen would want to throw an election AFTER the fact based on inuendo and conspiracy theories…” (Warpublican Review)
Obama is not yet elected since in USA it is not the population who elects the President. So when I hear the words “President elect Obama” I could scream. It is the Electoral College that will elect him on December 15. For now, Obama is an ordinary citizen and not even a Senator anymore. The President elect is still Georges W. Bush. And this is not a conspiracy theory; it is about respecting what is in your Constitution. The Constitution is the document that protects you Americans from all kinds of fraud. If Obama turns out to be an illegal alien then the voters have been fooled by this crooked candidate who knew darn well what he was doing since he is a constitutional lawyer.
Warpublican Review,
It doesn’t matter if Obama is an American citizen by birth. Citizen by birth and “born Citizen” are two very different things.
“Several people have said in comments that there isn’t a definition of the term natural-born citizen, or alternatively have repeatedly insisted on confusing it with the terms citizen by birth, native citizen, birthright citizen, born citizen, or citizen under the XIVth Amendment. All of these latter terms basically mean the same thing, except citizen under the XIVth Amendment, and none of them are in fact identical with the term natural-born citizen.
This article will concentrate on the admitted fact that Barack Obama was born with dual citizenship.” Therefore, we can say with confidence that a natural-born citizen of the United States means those persons born whose father the United States already has an established jurisdiction over, i.e., born to father’s who are themselves citizens of the United States. A person who had been born under a double allegiance cannot be said to be a natural-born citizen of the United States because such status is not recognized (only in fiction of law). A child born to an American mother and alien father could be said to be a citizen of the United States by some affirmative act of law but never entitled to be a natural-born citizen because through laws of nature the child inherits the condition of their father.” Under Chapter VI. Section 87, of the Constitution of Kenya Barack Hussein Obama, Sr, became a Kenyan citizen on December 12th 1963. This is a simple legal fact which cannot be denied. BHO II also became a Kenyan citizen on December 12th 1963 under Section 97. of the Kenyan Constitution. Under the same section it would appear that he remained a Kenyan citizen in the view of the Kenyan Government until he was 21 years old, ie August 1982. At that time if he did not take the Kenyan Oath of Allegiance, renounce all other citizenships, and complete various paperwork his Kenyan citizenship automatically lapsed.”
Please read the full article:
Natural Born Citizens: Or How to Beat a Subject to Death with a Stick.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/11/28/natural-born-citizens-or-how-to-beat-a-subject-to-death-with-a-stick/
Craig: I have asked Warpublican Review twice to read the articles linked, but you know, people who know very little can get very stubborn about what they know.
Steve says:
“The Phillip Berg suit of which people are generally familiar was thrown out brought up some interesting facts about Obama: Obama has not released any of his medical records. Mr. Berg believes that the reason is is because you will find Obama’s birth place on his medical records. ”
So? – Berg also believed that Bush was responsible for 9/11 – did YOU? I didn’t.
“Obama has not released his college records. Mr. Berg believes you will find that Obama received foreign aid listed on his college records.”
I’m not particularly interested in what berg thinks – why are you? Berg is just another guy who wants to cause trouble. It’s not Obama’s job to please the Phil bergs. I just wonder if Kos made similar claims against a candidate you supported if you would be just as sanguine… Something telss me you wouldn’t. This is purly political intrigue – nothing more and nothing less…
“Mr. Berg wanted Obama to do just one simple thing – produce a copy of his original birth certificate. Obama for some reason just won’t produce it. Strange, huh?”
Strange to you – not to me. I’m not interested in what berg wants – I believe that he’s a political operative looking to get his name in the newspapers – I’m not really interested in his paranoid fantasies. Obama has no responsibility to mr. berg – or that fool from new jersey and certainly not Alan keyes. if a court orders Obama to produce a birth certificate – and the man refuses, then let’s have a discussion about it…
“OBAMA HAS SOMETHING TO HIDE, PERIOD. ”
Pure conjecture on your part – nothing more…
Warpublican Review:
“Good People Sleep Peaceably In Their Beds At Night,
Only Because Honorable Men Stand Ready To Speak And Present The Truth On Their Behalf.”
George Orwell
For the record, no i did not believe that George Bush was responsible for 9/11. I would suggest that that shows that Berg doesn’t play favorites. ‘Paranoid fantasies’ is a term that is relative to which side of the matter one is viewing the proceedings. Read ‘The Trojan Candidate’ (linked above) and let’s have a discussion of that.
I don’t believe that this is about Obama, to me, its about the constitution. I didn’t vote for Obama, not by any stretch, and while he has been elected, he is not yet POTUS. It would be ironical if the candidate of the left who actually won an election, turned out to be bogus. Um….that’s not strange to me.
I saw this comment on another blog: “My fiancee has recently tired of listening to me talk about this. So… she just called the FEC to find out why they don’t require any proof. The FEC referred her to the California Elections Commission. So… she called them to ask the same question. She spoke with Cathy Mitchell, who claimed to be the Director of Elections. Cathy got agitated and declared that “Barack Obama is definitely a US Citizen”. She stated that “we already know that (he) is a US citizen”. Then she stated that “it’s not a matter of him having to prove it, but that somebody would need to prove otherwise”. She suggested that somebody would have to sue him. Though my fiance was quite polite, Cathy Mitchell was angry, irritable, and rude. She also suggested, “Maybe you should just write a letter to the editor”.”
Maybe Obama is totally above board (although according to his own history, he is not) but just suppose he is… such lax vigilance upon candidates qualifications can easily assure that a political party can set up a stealth candidate, be it republican or democrat and possibly getting them elected. The scrutiny that Obama is receiving will assure that in the future the qualifications of candidates are as outlined in the constitution and that We The People care served by that constitution as the Framers intended.
“This article will concentrate on the admitted fact that Barack Obama was born with dual citizenship.”
I’m not concerned with this article – arcane interpretations of law doesn’t interest me – particularly when they lead with: “Let me observe here that if my theory is correct…” This is just another opinion in the White noise of the internet.
If you really believe that the Supreme Court will overturn this election based on this nonsense…
your deluded. That’s fine. What I don’t get is – even if your despise Obama, why you’d want to try to win in this manner. At the very least, to throw an election – after the votes have been cast (by citizens, not the electoral college) would result in some serious street fighting – as well it should. if you believe that the question of who is a natural born citizen has not been settled – and it obviously has not, let’s settle it. But this has NOTHING to do with the constitution nor concern with it – the same folks who are SO concerned with the constitution, SNEER at those who felt that Gitmo was a constitutional disgrace – so please – at least be HONEST – you want Obama out by hook or crook…
Warpublican Review:
After this, you can have the last word since its not matter of my changing your point of view nor your changing mine.
I don’t in any shape nor form expect the SCOTUS to overturn the election. Not going to happen. I and many, many other citizens would simply like to see a ruling on the matter. The matter has concrete grounds and is valid and deserves a hearing. I don’t see it as “arcane interpretations of law”.
Sigh (running hand thru hair)…I did not jsut fall off the turnip truck and I am quite aware that should the SCOTUS ‘throw’ an election, even one where most of the electorate did not know who the hell they were voting for, but were caught up in fantasyland, would result not in some ‘serious street fighting’ but wholesale rioting, burning, looting and the associated shenanigans of the philosophy of Saul Alinsky.
I and others would like to know who it is who has been elected to the presidency. the Hussein Obama we see is NOT the one who is. That is all down pat in his past for all to see if they even care to do so.
Yes, I despise Obama, I despise him because he is a created Marxist entity, and I daresay we will eventually see this come out in his policies, notwithstanding protestations to the contrary that he will govern from the center. He is taking a very low-key entry progressing to his swearing in but let’s wait a while. Come back and see me in, say, 8 months. The fact I despise him does not necessary follow that I want him out ‘by hook or crook’ full well knowing what the result would be.
“The man claiming the job of POTUS, Barack Hussein Obama, has already admitted his dual citizenship at birth and his Indonesian citizenship through adoption in his writings, interviews, and on his website. These multiple citizenships at birth and throughout his life instantly disqualify him from the office of POTUS under Article II of the Constitution of the United States.”
Dr. Kate: STAND BY ME
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/12/05/stand-by-me/#comments
Warpublic/jabelson said:
The hell he doesn’t. I’m a citizen of the US, and this man wants to be my President. He *will* answer the courts if they do not throw it out, or you’ll find me on the side of Berg and Keyes in short order.
I agree. Berg’s somewhat of a leftist lunatic. However I am a firm believe that no one pays lawyers off to bypass our system. As of now, he’s hired lawyers to make arguments in court as to why he doesn’t have to comply with proving his birth. Bad juju, as far as I’m concerned. He’d impress me more if he’d just prove his birth, and be done with it all. Now I’m suspicious.
The Berg case ended up in the SCOTUS because they threw it out for standing. That’s a big difference for it being dismissed for lack of evidence. Obama and his legal team have spent big buck’s fighting what should be a simple disclosure.
But you, in your blind faith, minimize the importance of this. I don’t care if Keyes has a beef or axe to grind, or not. Anyone can be sued in this country on false charges. But when you are charged, you *will* have the respect for the court system… innocent or guilty.
The more you comment, the more the voters of this country worry me, Warpublican/jabelson. If they are all lacking the healthy curiousity you are, plus the irreverence applied to minimizing the judicial process and it’s outcome, we be in deep shit.
I don’t care if you are interested in what Berg or Keyes wants. But you should be very interested that he refuses to produce what should be quite simple if it’s factual.
And you are totally wrong. If you don’t think Obama has “responsibility” to show Keyes… or even we, the commoner here in the US… what the lawsuit demands in a court of law, you are nothing more than a trusting fool. It is such attitudes as yours that will be the death of us all.
Lebanese files lawsuit alleging Obama is not American by birth
http://www.arabisto.com/p_blogEntry.cfm?blogEntryID=1373
Something tells me that Warpublican would be satisfied if Obama produced a document which said that he was born on September 16, 1787 thereby fullfilling the “at the time of the Adoption” clause.
“Yes, I despise Obama, I despise him because he is a created Marxist entity, and I daresay we will eventually see this come out in his policies, notwithstanding protestations to the contrary that he will govern from the center. He is taking a very low-key entry progressing to his swearing in but let’s wait a while. Come back and see me in, say, 8 months. The fact I despise him does not necessary follow that I want him out ‘by hook or crook’ full well knowing what the result would be.”
Upon doing some reading on this, I found that Bush and Cheney were sued because, according to the Constitution, both candidates CAN’T be from the same state (texas) – the suit was turned donw because – you guessed it – the LEFTIES who brought the suit had no standing. I seriously doubt you would’ve wanted that suit to go to trial. If you despise Obama because of his polices that’s as American as Apple pie – but this rear-quard attack dressed as a concern for the constitution smells of pure fakery. Unlike a lot of lefties, i was THRILLED that even though Bush won in 2004, and I sure didn’t support him, he won a clean election (or clean enough). You may think I have my head in the sand, but I’ve read agreat deal on this issue (now that the election is over, i need SOMETHING to obsess on), and from everything I can see, this is a pure non-starter…
far less, IMHO, than the Bush debacle of 2000 (which, BTW, I accepted the Supreme’s final decision. I NEVER felt Bush STOLE the election)…
“I don’t care if you are interested in what Berg or Keyes wants. But you should be very interested that he refuses to produce what should be quite simple if it’s factual.”
I’m not that interested. Nor would I be interested if McCain had won – remember that CONGRESS cleared him for this election – and I would have accepted that. Now – if the Supreme Court had demanded that Obama show his Long form BC, and he still could not, THEN I would be VERY interested – but until that time, i have no reason not to trust the guy – it’s not like Berg or Keyes had NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT…
Warpublican Review:
Quite frankly I was not aware of the Bush/Cheney suit. Notwithstanding, whether two running mates come from the same state, is IMHO, not the same as a foreign national running for president and winning. Since you have read up on the subject, why not read WHY the Framers specifically put this in the Constitution.
Warpublican Review:
Then let’s see how it goes, as I said, Obama could have done this at any time. I don’t believe he has one.
The denofrio case was denied on Monday dec 8th however, there are still three more cases regarding Obamas birth certificate and issues surrounding his citizenship before the supreme court. Obama will NEVER be inauaurated. The following case by Berg is not brought by a right wing person, Berg is a lifelong democrat. Also, the two other cases are also brought by concerned citizens….
read about them all at http://www.naturalborncitizen.org
U.S. Supreme Court Update Regarding The December 01, 2008 Deadline
Thursday, 04 December 2008 01:46 Webmaster Main – News We understand everyone is eager to learn what occurred on December 1, 2008, at the U.S. Supreme Court. There is a rumor claiming Mr. Obama was Court Ordered by Justice Souter to turn over his birth certificate by December 1, 2008. This is NOT true.
When a Petition for a Writ of Certiorari is filed the Defendants automatically are given thirty (30) days to respond. They are not required to respond. The end of thirty (30) Days in the Berg v. Obama case was December 1, 2008. Keep in mind, the Defendants could have mailed in a response to the Petition for Writ of Certiorari and the Court allows approximately a week for mail. If this is the case, the envelopes must be postmarked December 1, 2008.
In the afternoon, December 1, 2008, Lisa, Mr. Berg’s Assistant contacted the U.S. Supreme Court and spoke with the Clerk. The Clerk informed Lisa Mr. Berg’s Petition for Writ of Certiorari would be distributed to all nine (9) Justices and a conference should be set within ten (10) days. As I’m sure you are aware, during the conference the Justices will discuss Mr. Berg’s Petition for the Writ of Certiorari and decide whether or not to grant or deny the Petition. It only takes four (4) out of nine (9) Justices to agree to grant Mr. Berg’s Petition for Writ of Certiorari. The Justices can also make other Orders during the Conference.
Mr. Berg’s Office also learned the Solicitor General is only representing the Federal Election Commission.
Additional documents will be filed within the next couple of days. All Legal briefs will be posted on our website, so please continue checking back for updates.
I think that the SCOTUS better proove to every one in this country that Obamma is really legal or not,and just not by words such as denied,or put aside. both sides are waiting for the answers,and if it is not prooven by showing legal documents to the public,there is going to be a race war like nobody has ever seen,between blacks, whites, democrats and republicans.The SCOTUS is in for something bad if they think that they can get out of this with just words.We want answers and proof,no matter what the outcome.If this is just passed of with words,
GOD HELP US ALL
TO MR. OBAMMA : PRESENT THE FACTS OF YOUR LIFE,QUIT HIDING WHATEVER IT IS BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU LOOK GUILTY. SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT!!!!!!!