Obama Supporters Terrorized My Little Girl Today

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Today, my 6yr old little girl Katy got off the school bus ashamed and in tears. I ran out to see what was wrong, and she finally looked up at me, “Daddy, I got some bad news.”
“What’s wrong? What happened? Are you hurt?”
“No. The kids on bus #9 (pre-teen kids) said that if we vote for McCain they’re gonna drop bombs on our house and our cars and kill us tonight.”

This is not fiction, exaggeration, or anything of the sort. This is Barack Obama’s America, a country where people who hear his message of unity go home and teach their kids intimidation and terror. My little girl has never ever ever come home from school with anything shy of an ear to ear smile. Most days she comes running off the bus with her arms wide open. Today, she was ashamed, scared, embarassed, and terrorized.

I told Katy that I’d protect her (not a problem, but I won’t elaborate). I told her our German Shepard mutt and our Rottweiler mix mutt would protect her (they both patrol the house at night, so not a problem or exaggeration), and she was comforted. Some cookies, and she’s fine. That’s a 6yr old.

The 39yr old daddy on the other hand is pissed off to no end. I don’t really think someone’s going to come bomb our house tonight. What pisses me off is that parents (be they Obama or McCain supporters themselves) would be so irresponsible, ignorant, and scared themselves so as to teach their kids political intimidation. That’s not American. That’s chickenshit. That’s a set of parents (if there are two) who are so paranoid that they can’t deal with reality themselves.

Tomorrow’s a big day. As I’ve said before, I will vote for McCain, but I’ll be content with either for President. I’ll vote my way. You vote your way. That’s it. Once you are done, that’s it. You’re American again-not a Democrat or McCain supporter or whatever.

Meanwhile, my little girl (who just got a perfect report card on Tuesday, and talk of being put in an advanced class because she’s teaching other kids) is not afraid. Yes, she cried, and was ashamed of that, and was embarassed, but after the cookies quelled the tears she told me that in their mock election, “I still voted for McCain, Daddy.” Kid’s not only the best reader in the class, but brave.

Me? Well, I’m pissed, and I’m wondering, “If Sen Obama wins tomorrow, what will happen to my little girl at the hands of the other kids, and will all of America become ruled by those who believe power comes best from political intimidation.”

btw Not feeding my dogs dinner tonight, so best not to knock on my door until Thursday or so.
sdrtgadfg

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You must live in a very small town, because your six year old has to ride the school bus with older kids or thugs as everyone appear to be calling them. So instead of complaining about what you think is Obama Democracy or thugism, you should be complaining to your school board elected officials about younger kids riding the school bus with older ones. I surprised she hasnt been threatened sooner, consider she so small and innocent. Do you child also attend the same school as these older children, oops I mean thugs? This would be my issue. I’m also assuming the thugs as you called them were black kids, because this is how you people normally characterize people of different race than you, especially blacks.

“Does it matter”… if you read before opening your keyboard mouth and stuffing your other overly large foot into it, you’d see in Scott’s post #6 that he fully intended on talking to the school officials.

As to the rest of your truly offensive comments… “do YOU matter”. And you are genuinely a poster child of the Nazi generation… the kind that should never be allowed to procreate.

Nasty thing isn’t it. Mata, my comment is in the filter.

Don’t see anything in the filter for you, Missy… neither moderation nor spam. What are we missing??? I doth so love your stuff…

I just explained how our school system has both elementary and middle school kids on the same buses and why, chided him about his racist remark and thug support. Then told him not to make assumptions when he didn’t have facts to back them up. No big deal, you handled it better!

Could have pushed something I shouldn’t have, hubby just brought me home a panizza, a distraction.

Does it matter;
I cannot, and will not give you a pass on your comment:

I’m also assuming the thugs as you called them were black kids, because this is how you people normally characterize people of different race than you, especially blacks.

That was an ignorant and racist statement. In no part of Scott’s narrative was the race of the child bullies ever mentioned. Only that they were Obama supporters. Obama supporters did not only consist of one race. So why do you attempt to make an ass of yourself by ASS-uming these bullies were black? Then you go on to impune Scott and every other commentor’s honor by intimating we are therefore bigots? There are racists of every creed and color, and you have revealed your own true nature in your very post.

Had the picture not been provided, would you have still ASS-umed this little girl was white? You are a truly mentally sick individual.

Since you defend these “thugs”, without knowing their race and come out in support of their actions only on the basis they are Obama supporters, you are as guilty as they are. For you despicably fully condone their behavior. That make you an accessory after the fact IMHO. It is as reprehensible as the actions of other racially-motivated militant organizations such as the KKK, Neo-Nazi’s, street gangs, and those perpetrated under the wing of the Black Panthers. I give for example their intimidation tactics at a Pennsylvania voting precinct yesterday in an attempt to frighten off white voters.

May I remind you that Katy is an innocent 6-year old little girl? Why do you hate her? Is it because of the color of her flesh? What would you have done to punish a child for endorsing the McCain-Palin ticket? Would you have had her horse-whipped? Or tarred and feathered?

“You people,” as you refer to us collectively with no knowledge of the sexes, races, creeds, or colors of which we are comprised, are tired of being victimized by those who think they have carte blanche to do criminal acts and justify it by calling their victims racists when they protest such injustice. Do you encourage your own children to practice discrimination upon others for the color of their skin or their beliefs? That is obviously your position on this by your post.

I’m sure, had the picture Katy not shown a nice brick dwelling in the background, you would have also labeled Scott and the rest of us as “Inbred White Trailer Trash”, as other fly-by posters of you ilk have done here on FA in the past.

Mark my words. Hate crime is an ugly thing and should you act on your corrupt belief system and break our laws, I hope that you are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

To Rocky B why are you so sensistive? The question was not posed to you, but apparently you felt the need to take up the fight. The question I posed was appropiate. What in my post did you assumed I was talking about hate crimes or mocking the innocent of Mr. Scotts daughter. I only stated, Scott should be angry with his school board and not the “thugs” he so eloquent described in his post. I never heard of young children riding school buses with older kids, so I’m ASS_uming he lives in a small rural town. If this is the case, the fight should not be take up with the “thugs” but the schoolboard, who allow younger kids to be subjected to the ranting and ravings of older ones. As far as I’m concern, I really don’t care who you supported or voted for during this election. But apparent from the majority of the post, you and everyone else are McCain supporters and apparently can’t get over the fact the man lost! As you know in any contest there is always going to be a winner and a loser, and just because people are passionate about their canididate ( as you are about yours) does not make them a thug (black or white). I just know from experience (by the way I’m lily white) when the word thug is mentioned in a sentence 9 times out of 10 you’re talking about African American kids. Why get angry? So much has been put in this election, than any other ones in the past years. People really need to look at themselves and (including you) and pose the question, if Barack Obama was a white man, would I have any issue about him winning the election and now is the President. Would you really be wasting your time ranting, posting and raving about him? What is the big deal. Why can’t people like you get over yourselfs and realize there is only one person in this world (and he is not of this world) can fixed any problems in your life and that’s GOD! You really need to take a chill pill and pray and accept the fact that the next four years Obama will be the President. The sad part about it, you people will continue to put his life and his family under a microscope. If he pisses incorrectly you will blog about it. Personally if I was Obama, there is no way in hell I would have wanted to be President of such as racist (hidden racism I might add) as America. The land where the color of your skin does matter. Im also wondering if Scott was an Obama support and thugs were McCain supporters would have felt the need to post this story (which sounds so unreal).

@Does it matter:

just because people are passionate about their canididate ( as you are about yours) does not make them a thug (black or white).

No. What would make them “thuggish”, is this:

(pre-teen kids) said that if we vote for McCain they’re gonna drop bombs on our house and our cars and kill us tonight.”

I’d say that “thuggish” pretty well covers it. Why? Do you have a better word? I could think of a number of alternatives.

I just know from experience (by the way I’m lily white) when the word thug is mentioned in a sentence 9 times out of 10 you’re talking about African American kids.

What part of the country do you live in? I’ve never associated “thug” as “9 times out of 10” referring to blacks. That’s like saying if you use the word “criminal”, you’re thinking 9 times out of 10, “he’s black”.

This is how we come up with ridiculous PC labels to replace words that somehow “offend”. If I use the word “thug”, I mean it in the dictionary sense of the word.

Don’t project onto us, you’re own hang ups.

pose the question, if Barack Obama was a white man, would I have any issue about him winning the election and now is the President.

Do you honestly feel that the majority of us here are opposed to Barack Obama because of the content of his skin color?

Most of the conservatives I know have been post-racial for quite some time; the only ones stuck on race (and are thereby “racists”) are Democrats. They’re the ones who seem flabbergasted by glass ceilings breaking. For me? *Yawn* I’ve never doubted that a non-white president could ever be elected in this country; it was just a matter of time for “the right one” to come along that could captivate.

Read Shelby Steele’s op-ed in the LATimes.

Would you really be wasting your time ranting, posting and raving about him? What is the big deal.

Unless you suffer from reading comprehension, haven’t actually read most of the posts on this blog like you allude to doing; or just don’t have the mental capacity to wrap your mind around this: the reason we oppose Barack Obama is because he is the least vetted, most inepxerienced, far left, socialist-injected, most undeserving presidential candidate in U.S. history.

It’s a difference in political ideology. Period.

Why can’t people like you get over yourselfs and realize there is only one person in this world (and he is not of this world) can fixed any problems in your life and that’s GOD!

Great…..don’t lift a finger to do a thing in this world….it’s all in God’s hands. That makes sense.

Why can’t you get over your misguided sanctimonious white guilt lecturing to those who don’t care about race, and go take a hard long stare at your own self and ask why you are so obsessed over noticing skin color?

The sad part about it, you people will continue to put his life and his family under a microscope. If he pisses incorrectly you will blog about it.

That’s called “politics”. Do you deny Democrats haven’t done this to Bush for 8 years?

Personally if I was Obama, there is no way in hell I would have wanted to be President of such as racist (hidden racism I might add) as America. The land where the color of your skin does matter.

It only matters to Democrats. Get over it. Quit looking at the world through skin color. It will cease to matter when you quit obsessing over it.

Im also wondering if Scott was an Obama support and thugs were McCain supporters would have felt the need to post this story (which sounds so unreal).

Obama supporters have done that throughout the election. Or do you think only Obama supporters have behaved like thugs?

There are thugs in life, irregardless of political affiliation.

Does it matter;
It is not a matter of me being over-sensitive, it was a matter of you being insensitive and trying to turn it into a matter of racism.

What in my post did you assumed I was talking about hate crimes or mocking the innocent of Mr. Scotts daughter.

Answer:

I surprised she hasnt been threatened sooner, consider she so small and innocent.
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I’m also assuming the thugs as you called them were black kids, because this is how you people normally characterize people of different race than you, especially blacks.

The former was mocking of his daughter Katy and in the latter you clearly implied that Scott was being racist by his use of the general word “thug”, which has no racial stereotype connected with it. Had Scott used the “N-word”, I would not have come to his defense for you taking him to task for it, on the contrary others and I would have also come down on Scott for stating it. Therefore, I feel you owe Scott an apology.

As to your defense:

I only stated, Scott should be angry with his school board and not the “thugs” he so eloquent described in his post. I never heard of young children riding school buses with older kids, so I’m ASS_uming he lives in a small rural town. If this is the case, the fight should not be take up with the “thugs” but the schoolboard, who allow younger kids to be subjected to the ranting and ravings of older ones.

Perhaps you missed it in your haste to throw fuel on the embers of injustice and transform it into an attack a personal attack on the submitter, but Scott had already mention in post 4 & 6, he had taken appropriate action:

Local police are on it now
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I’ll be talking to the school tomorrow. Gonna stop by even though it’s a teacher’s day.

We fully accept and concede that Obama has defeated McCain. Yet, people like you feel you have a need to rub our noses in it and continue to degrade us. During the campaign, moonbats like you were constantly doing fly-by posts on FA not to debate the issues, but to charge posters supporting McCain-Palin as being; hicks, rubes,:

so I’m ASS_uming he lives in a small rural town.

bigots, racists:

this is how you people normally characterize people of different race than you, especially blacks.
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People really need to look at themselves and (including you) and pose the question, if Barack Obama was a white man, would I have any issue about him winning the election

rednecks, trailer-trash, inbred, racists, etceteras, ad nausium.

The Democratic party’s insistence on transferring their own feelings of racist guilt upon us is unfounded, unwarranted and unappreciated. After all, it has been the Republican Party for the last 150 years that has been the party for Civil Rights:

Democrat Civil Rights Leader Drops Race Card Bomb on McCain-Palin

Democrat Civil Rights Leader Drops Race Card Bomb on McCain-Palin

Democrat Civil Rights Leader Drops Race Card Bomb on McCain-Palin

If you had been following FA, you would find that we who opposed Obama did not do so because of his race, but for his socialist ideologies and radical ties. When the question was posed would we have supported a Colin Powell-Condoliza Rice ticket, the consensus agreed with me; “YES”. Powell’s subsequent endorsement of Obama two days after that question was posed, was a disappointment to many of us.

We’ll try this again, “do you matter?”… Scott already said he’d be talking to his school officials. Again, had you read the post and ensuing comments before leaping to your keyboard with accusations as :

I’m also assuming the thugs as you called them were black kids, because this is how you people normally characterize people of different race than you, especially blacks.

How “you people'” characterize people of different race??? I do believe you called Scott a racist in “obama-speak”.

I have a few words for you… but this is a PG site, for the most part.

Does it matter,

Wow, your last post convinced me that you are black. Why do you hide it? Do you think that it is a flaw? We don’t. We don’t care that your skin color is brown, white, yellow, red, purple or whatever. But we do care though about the stupidities that you write here. Can you see the difference?

fyi, Before she went back to school, I called the school as directed. The bus came a few minutes later, and it picked up my daughter. The bus driver really likes Katy, spoke w her, and put her in a new seat. Apparently, it was a girl her age who made the comments (facts are tricky to get from a first grader, but time reveals all). The other little girl was spoken to by the bus driver before picking up Katy. The school also had the little girl go to the principal’s office, got a good talking to, got a red card that she had to take home and get signed, and the parents were spoken to. No more problems. Katy says she’s tired of the whole thing and just wants it all to be done. So it is.

Side note….being the political junkie that I am, and having always been tracking the election of the past 2 years, my 3yr old son came running downstairs yesterday, ran into my office, and said, “Dad! Dad! Barack Obama’s upstairs! He’s on PBS Kids!” Shocked that he could say Barack Obama, I asked him, “Who?!” “Dad! It’s Barack Obama. He’s out new President.”

kids….

My daughter will never know a pre-911 world, and my son will never know a pre-Obama history.

Amazing.

I recently joined this blog just to hear what is out there and Scott, this one takes a large cake. I aked if this person actually believes Obama supporters did that or perhaps a small group of idiots with misguided behavior. It almost sounded like it was directed at the Obama supporters in general but that is obviously not the case as we are mature adults here. I can see that in many of the participants.
Look, we are a great nation and shall strive to remains so. Please do not forget that our two party system is what brought us here and too actually prefer a one party rule hence forth may backfire. We should change horses every eight to twelve years keeping our core in place.

Obama was sincere in his mission and that purpose got him elected. People felt it was time to trust once again. Recall this is the only candidate that asserted openeness in administration. He will tell the people the hard truth and not play the game for some one sided approval.

ras, this is completely false. Sen McCain pushed for transparency as much or more (recall his pledge to veto any bill that had pork in it and to identify those who were putting in bs spending anonymously; a pledge Congressional Dems made in 06 as well then broke). If Sen Obama will tell Americans the hard truths of the world, I submit that Pres Bush has done that and been labeled a fearmonger. I truly look forward to Pres Obama’s admin, and I do so with a sadistic glee.

Scott, it is a good first step in asserting you look forward to Obama’s administration. I agree, it will be highly scrutinized for the many apparent reasons and I fully believe he will surprise the nation with a wonderfully positive admin. Yes McCain said transparency a lot but I once was his strongest supporter ten years ago and looked to him to run independently so I could cast my vote for him and not Bush. However the McCain that showed up this time was a different one with too many flip flops on issues that concerned me. He was the real thing that Kerry was accused of. However, Obama caught my eye and I have read extensively about him. I cast my vote for him with hope that the nation will come back around to accepting all who live in this country. It appears we arrived at the point under Bush where we were forced to live by the rules of the right and the influence of the left was looked upon as extreme. I indeed welcome the change and hope you will see change we speak of. At least you have an open ear to him

Thanks ras
Foreign policy is my issue, and I’m happy to see that Pres-Elect Obama has in fact done one thing already: he’s killed opposition to success in Iraq.

Killed opposition in Iraq? What the heck are you talking about? Whose opposition? AS far as I know the US continues to be in favor of getting out of there. The opposition to the war continues to be the majority. Success in Iraq has never been difined and could not be difined by either Bushy or McCain. Iraq was indeed overthrown by us, we killed Saddam, we are rebuilding the country and not asking Iraq to help out. Now at what point do you define success. Scott I would really appreciate hearing the answer if by some chance you have heard if defined by someone of authoriy. Please let me know as I would then consider that information into my opinion. That is the issue, every one on the right belives as McCain said: we must leave under the vail of success, What the heck is that, Please tell me so I can support your train of thought. If you have no definition of such try using mine it makes a lot of sense and Obama surely agrees with this.

ras, 2yrs ago the Dem base-and many Democrats-DEMANDED an immediate, unconditional retreat from Iraq. Now Pres-elect Obama has said he’ll keep US forces in there for another 16 months or more if needed. Do you really think we’ll see the same kind of demands from a Democratic Congress to make an immediate, unconditional retreat, or even demand a firm timeline? Do you think opposition to the war is still there so as to make the Democrats’ Congress make another series of non-binding resolutions against the war? I don’t. I think most people don’t like the war, but most people prefer success (ie, leaving in such a way so as to not need to invade a 3rd time), and right now…most people DO see Iraq as a success, and are not opposed to an open-ended occupation if it garners that success.

I mean, truly…do you think there’ll be as much protesting against the war in Iraq in 2009 as there was against it in 2007? I don’t. I think that protesting was mostly against Pres Bush, and done mostly by Democrats.

Success in Iraq has never been difined and could not be difined by either Bushy or McCain.


This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion.

-President Bush in an address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People, United States Capitol, Washington D.C., September 20, 2001.

I have heard success defined numerous times, since those on your side continually say it isn’t.

“Success will be when al Qaeda no longer has safe haven in Iraq and Iraqis can protect themselves. Success will be when Iraq can support itself economically. Success will be when Iraq is a democracy that can govern itself effectively in response to the will of its people. Success will be when Iraq is a strong and capable ally in the war on terror.”
-President Bush, May 22, 2008 Addressing soldiers at Ft. Bragg

Many people ask, how should we define success? Success in Iraq and Afghanistan is the establishment of peaceful, stable, prosperous, democratic states that pose no threat to neighbors and contribute to the defeat of terrorists. It is the triumph of religious tolerance over violent radicalism.
John McCain

Still too vague for you, without meeting artificial benchmarks? We’ve met how many now? 15 or 16? (More than today’s Congress has accomplished) Takes time, patience, and a show of resolve and commitment. Success is happening, one step at a time….

Do you not think we are currently on the correct path? That we’re trending in the right direction?

National Strategy for Victory in Iraq

Executive Summary

OUR NATIONAL STRATEGY FOR VICTORY IN IRAQ:
Helping the Iraqi People Defeat the Terrorists and Build an Inclusive Democratic State

  • Victory in Iraq is Defined in Stages
    • Short term, Iraq is making steady progress in fighting terrorists, meeting political milestones, building democratic institutions, and standing up security forces.
    • Medium term, Iraq is in the lead defeating terrorists and providing its own security, with a fully constitutional government in place, and on its way to achieving its economic potential.
    • Longer term, Iraq is peaceful, united, stable, and secure, well integrated into the international community, and a full partner in the global war on terrorism.
  • Victory in Iraq is a Vital U.S. Interest
    • Iraq is the central front in the global war on terror. Failure in Iraq will embolden terrorists and expand their reach; success in Iraq will deal them a decisive and crippling blow.
    • The fate of the greater Middle East — which will have a profound and lasting impact on American security — hangs in the balance.
  • Failure is Not an Option
    • Iraq would become a safe haven from which terrorists could plan attacks against America, American interests abroad, and our allies.
    • Middle East reformers would never again fully trust American assurances of support for democracy and human rights in the region — a historic opportunity lost.
    • The resultant tribal and sectarian chaos would have major consequences for American security and interests in the region.
  • The Enemy Is Diffuse and Sophisticated
    • The enemy is a combination of rejectionists, Saddamists, and terrorists affiliated with or inspired by Al Qaida. Distinct but integrated strategies are required to defeat each element.
    • Each element shares a common short-term objective — to intimidate, terrorize, and tear down — but has separate and incompatible long-term goals.
    • Exploiting these differences within the enemy is a key element of our strategy.
  • Our Strategy for Victory is Clear
    • We will help the Iraqi people build a new Iraq with a constitutional, representative government that respects civil rights and has security forces sufficient to maintain domestic order and keep Iraq from becoming a safe haven for terrorists. To achieve this end, we are pursuing an integrated strategy along three broad tracks, which together incorporate the efforts of the Iraqi government, the Coalition, cooperative countries in the region, the international community, and the United Nations.
  • The Political Track involves working to forge a broadly supported national compact for democratic governance by helping the Iraqi government:
    • Isolate enemy elements from those who can be won over to the political process by countering false propaganda and demonstrating to all Iraqis that they have a stake in a democratic Iraq;
    • Engage those outside the political process and invite in those willing to turn away from violence through ever-expanding avenues of participation; and
    • Build stable, pluralistic, and effective national institutions that can protect the interests of all Iraqis, and facilitate Iraq’s full integration into the international community.
  • The Security Track involves carrying out a campaign to defeat the terrorists and neutralize the insurgency, developing Iraqi security forces, and helping the Iraqi government:
    • Clear areas of enemy control by remaining on the offensive, killing and capturing enemy fighters and denying them safe-haven;
    • Hold areas freed from enemy influence by ensuring that they remain under the control of the Iraqi government with an adequate Iraqi security force presence; and
    • Build Iraqi Security Forces and the capacity of local institutions to deliver services, advance the rule of law, and nurture civil society.
  • The Economic Track involves setting the foundation for a sound and self-sustaining economy by helping the Iraqi government:
    • Restore Iraq’s infrastructure to meet increasing demand and the needs of a growing economy;
    • Reform Iraq’s economy, which in the past has been shaped by war, dictatorship, and sanctions, so that it can be self-sustaining in the future; and
    • Build the capacity of Iraqi institutions to maintain infrastructure, rejoin the international economic community, and improve the general welfare of all Iraqis.
  • This Strategy is Integrated and its Elements are Mutually Reinforcing
    • Progress in each of the political, security, and economic tracks reinforces progress in the other tracks.
    • For instance, as the political process has moved forward, terrorists have become more isolated, leading to more intelligence on security threats from Iraqi citizens, which has led to better security in previously violent areas, a more stable infrastructure, the prospect of economic progress, and expanding political participation.
  • Victory Will Take Time
    • Our strategy is working: Much has been accomplished in Iraq, including the removal of Saddam’s tyranny, negotiation of an interim constitution, restoration of full sovereignty, holding of free national elections, formation of an elected government, drafting of a permanent constitution, ratification of that constitution, introduction of a sound currency, gradual restoration of neglected infrastructure, the ongoing training and equipping of Iraqi security forces, and the increasing capability of those forces to take on the terrorists and secure their nation.
    • Yet many challenges remain: Iraq is overcoming decades of a vicious tyranny, where governmental authority stemmed solely from fear, terror, and brutality.
      • It is not realistic to expect a fully functioning democracy, able to defeat its enemies and peacefully reconcile generational grievances, to be in place less than three years after Saddam was finally removed from power.
    • Our comprehensive strategy will help Iraqis overcome remaining challenges, but defeating the multi-headed enemy in Iraq — and ensuring that it cannot threaten Iraq’s democratic gains once we leave — requires persistent effort across many fronts.
  • Our Victory Strategy Is (and Must Be) Conditions Based
    • With resolve, victory will be achieved, although not by a date certain.
      • No war has ever been won on a timetable and neither will this one.
    • But lack of a timetable does not mean our posture in Iraq (both military and civilian) will remain static over time. As conditions change, our posture will change.
      • We expect, but cannot guarantee, that our force posture will change over the next year, as the political process advances and Iraqi security forces grow and gain experience.
      • While our military presence may become less visible, it will remain lethal and decisive, able to confront the enemy wherever it may organize.
      • Our mission in Iraq is to win the war. Our troops will return home when that mission is complete.

every one on the right belives as McCain said: we must leave under the vail of success, What the heck is that, Please tell me so I can support your train of thought.

The veil- or perception- of success is critical. Just look here:

The leader of a jihadi group in Iraq argued Friday that the election of Barack Obama as president represented a victory for radical Islamic groups that had battled American forces since the invasion of Iraq.

The statement, which experts said was part of the psychological duel with the United States, was included in a 25-minute audiotaped speech by Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, leader of the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella organization that claims ties to Al Qaeda.

bin Laden propagandized a Soviet defeat at the Lion’s Den and used it as a recruiting tool for jihadis. The perception or actualization of a hasty American withdrawal on their terms and not ours, would signal that America has once again proved itself a paper tiger with no will to sustain the losses it takes to win wars.

Same thing with Vietnam and Somalia. It’s the perception of defeat that emboldens our enemies.