Obama is STILL making the same 3 foreign policy gaffes (lies):
1) The US didn’t take its eye off the ball in Afghanistan and let UBL escape because Bush was preoccupied w Iraq. UBL escaped in Nov2001, Iraq buildup began 10 months later, and Iraq was invaded in 2003. WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GET OBAMA A CALENDER
2) The cost of the war in Iraq literally changes every week according to Obama. Tonight he claimed it was $700+bn. No. That’s the cost of the war on terror as a whole. Iraq (per the Congressional Research Service) cost $444.6bn as of July. For reference, the cost of all the Clinton Wars was about $450bn most of which was spent “containing” Saddam, and that “containment”….caused UBL to decide to start killing Americans; caused the war on terror
3) Obama promised to encourage democracy, reforms, peace, love, and happiness in Pakistan via foreign aid, but Biden said in the VP debate that the first thing they’d cut due to the financial crisis….is foreign aid.
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He doesn’t plan on fighting the war anywhere.
http://www.thenewconservatives.blogspot.com/
Just got home; missed the debate.
Scott,
As far as I know, no one is challenging him on this narrative; nor the one about Iraq (I heard on the radio, him saying “Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11”), and the belief that we’ve been doing cowboy diplomacy for the last 8 years. It’s all hyperbole and sky-is-falling scare, making it sound like we’ve been living a hell for 8 years.
This is how perception gets shaped. No one is challenging the dismal narrative. And so long as that’s the case, Republicans will lose voters who no longer trust the Party to lead them on national security.
besides this crap, he said NOTHING, he had me so pissed several times. how the hell can he be so freaking long winded and not say a damned thing? seriously, my kids had way more to say than he did.
Amazing! We seem to know more about Iraq than Obama and McCain. We know the real cost of war of Iraq, how come Obama doesn’t… and since McCain didn’t corrected that, I guess maybe he doesn’t know it either. Remarkable!
Who won the debate?
Nobody really, it was a bit boring. McCain was very strong on the foreign policies, and Obama connected more to the middle class for economy. A zero match. Surely not a turning point in this election.
But in the overall, McCain appeared to be more presidential than Obama.
– Obama looked like a “ti-jos connaissant”… which means: A jerk who thinks he knows it all, but doesn’t.
– McCain looked like he knew more where he was going, looked more confident, more experienced and much wiser. He was reassuring for voters.
And I liked his last words, he came out with a very strong message at the end.
Johnny’s talk of another 300 billion socialist bailout convinced me tonight.
Constitution Party in 08!!!!!!!!!!!! There has to be some conservatism out there somewhere.
Can you imagine a Democrat President, a Democrat Congress and a Democrat Senate? OUCH! Get out of this country while you still can.
Mccain finally threw some punches. He did a great job. Came off very personal. Spoke more from the heart which shows character not talking points.
Nik
Transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/presidential.debate.transcript/
Johnny’s horrific campaign people have about ended this thing. And now they are letting Sarah off the leash–but only on Fox. Do Johnny’s people not understand that Sarah is the only thing keeping the ship afloat right now? You have to put her on national television—not cable. The base watches Fox and no one else does. He has to reach the others. Time is running short.
Just a horrendous campaign IMO.
You are right Richard. She has to be on all TV stations, all over the country. But I wonder if it is the campaign people from McCain that keeps her away, or if it is the MSM who don’t want her around? Because she is doing fine touring the country, but no MSM reports it. We can only read it through internet.
I would prefer that Sarah was going for President and that McCain would be her VP.
O’Bama could f*ck a live chicken in the next debate and it wouldn’t matter. He’s going to win.
Whoever is advising McCain needs to be fired. Yesterday.
It’s over. McCain is toast.
I agree that McCain is running a bad campaign
But the buying of the mortgages by McCain is a good idea and not Socialist. It would not bail out the banks and will give the people that got screwed a way out. If they do not get a hold of the housing market, the economy will go down hill fast.
Not all the people lied, some got pressured into getting these ARMS and got screwed by mortgage companies. I do think that the ones that lied and tried to flip houses for a profit should not be in this, but when you get a loan to pay for a house that is $300,000 and now the house has dropped in value to $250.000 or $200,000 you are screwed and with the housing market the away it is now, you can not sell your house.
This is a plan my brother has talked about and he should know pretty much about what is going on he is a VP at a bank here in St Louis. He is a quantitative analyst that is the head of a mutual fund. And he has seen this coming for years. He knows a lot more about this than do and I am probably not explaining it as good as he can, but if we do not fix this, the economy will crash and crash hard. Bush is right.
The Great Depression did not come about overnight, the market went up and down for months before the economy finally crashed.
Also he said to get rid of the capital tax and lower corporate taxes to get the economy going again also.
There is no really easy way to get out of this. It is going to take months or years to get it back on track.
Craig
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Can you imagine a Democrat President, a Democrat Congress and a Democrat Senate? OUCH! Get out of this country while you still can.
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Unfortunately, congress passed a law in 2007 that demands a 50% tax on all assets you take out of the country when you leave.
Over at The Corner Andy starts it all off with:
Lisa chimes in:
Jason agrees, but what can McCain do?
Mark echoes Andy via a reader
And thus ends the tales from the Corner, until the morn’.
obama connecting on the economy is bad for us. It is the number one issue on people’s mind right now.
McCain should have hit harder on how obama and the dems were responsible. Deregulation wasn’t the problem, it was the government getting involved in addition to corrupt dems that is 90% to blame.
Ah, there’s scumbag doug trying to suppress GOP votes. Nce try, but it isn’t going to work.
“Unfortunately, congress passed a law in 2007 that demands a 50% tax on all assets you take out of the country when you leave.” (Timothy)
That’s another good reason for you to leave your country right away if Obama is elected. Because he will bring that law to 100% tax on all your assets. Move to Canada, we are just about to give ourselves a right wing majority conservative Government on the 14 of October, with Stephen Harper… Yeah! But, be aware. Do not comme to the Province of Québec, it’s filled with leftists all over… but you can chose any other provinces, they are all fine.
Me, ‘trying to suppress votes’??? I thought the GOPers at The Corner were the one’s inflicting the suppression!
The Bronze (#11),
You seem depressed. What a bad loser attitude! Shake yourself over. It’s never over till it’s over.
I think Sarah will make a big difference in this election. Everywhere she goes, people go banana for her. She mobilizes bigger crowds than ObamArafat does. She electifies crowds and she will be going everywhere. I believe in her and I think Republicans will win this election. So cheer up, leave your pessimist mood to weak people like Democrats socialists/communists. A Republican is a strong person that believe in succes, they never surrender.
Yes do not be depressed. There is still a ton of time and another debate. And do not believe anyhthing the polls say. They are never accurate. They are always tilted to the left.
Remember that Kerry had an 8-9 point lead over Bush at this time.
Be an optimist, not the down and out Lib.
I don’t pay attention to the polls. I pay attention to what I see.
McCain is showing me jack.
I agree with you to a point thebronze. But I see Obama and do not like what I see and I do not want him in office. I wish I could impeach him from the Senate, he has left his job 2 years ago and has not done anything there, and is a Socislist and I will try my hardest to defeat Obama. McCain never really excited me anyway, Palin does. But anything to keep the Illinois politician and keep his friends far from White House
As a retired military guy – the true cost per day of the war will not be known until it’s all over. Some of that cost is normal defense spending. The military doesn’t usually release these types of figures until after a conflict because they tend to be inaccurate. I was involved (on the ground) in every major operation since the invasion of Panama – through Somalia – and in planning from the end of Somalia through Bosnia and Haiti. Of course there were minor operations as well – but did I really have to say that…….
As for the mortgages – it’s not another 300bil – it’s using existing/already approved money – 300bil a few months ago and the 700bil last week. If he actually were to get congress to approve real hybrid tax reform – maybe even the 300-400bil in the tax gap lost every year.
This country has had a national bank once or twice in it’s history 🙂 – I would not call it socialism – the current fed and changes to it over the years was a result of compromise between public and private. Yes – it has issues that need to be fixed…… Are we, as a nation, in a fubar situation? Hmmmm….. I reserve the right to address that later 🙂
Now – to substance on Iraq – technically the first Gulf war never ended if you include the no fly zone and other measures to keep Iraq under control. Iraq did have WMDs during this period – unfortunately – none were found to the publics knowledge after the invasion in 2003. Besides talking points and what Obama has been force fed – he has no real direct knowledge of any of it – nor in my opinion a real interest except where it benefits him politically. As to my statement on cost above – Obama has ZERO clues as to the cost in human life, suffering, and pain, let alone the true monetary costs – except where he may use information/talking points to his political advantage. I don’t care how many vets asses he kisses – it doesn’t mean anything to him personally.
Afghanistan – same as above – all politics to Obama
Pakistan – same as above – Publically saying what he has said – in my opinion is not only stupid and dangerous – it’s incredibly compromising to anything we might consider doing in secret in the future. It’s one of the things that really angers me about Obama – and I find it hard to get over – because in the end it may cost us more lives and potential political leverage.
I’m BukerStreet, and I approved this message 🙂
By the way – Buker Street is a little road that exists on Fort Bragg, NC – named in honor of SGT Brian L. Buker.
This ones for Doug – have fun with it
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/show_me_where_stalin_is_buried.html
As for me – I have a friend in Belize I can stay with for a few years if it gets to bad 🙂 I could use a nice long vacation……..
stix, I agree. I think O’Bama and Co. are the worst thing to hit this country in the last 50+ years. An O’Bama administration will harm this country for decades (maybe even generations) to come.
Unfortunately, that is what’s going to happen because McCain refuses to fight and do what’s needed to win. Sarah IS fighting, but it isn’t going to be enough.
…8-9 points, really??? I don’t recall that. I recall he barely got outside 1 point MOE over McCain, and that was ‘likely voters’.
Also, many forget Kerry didn’t counter his attack until it was too late; he waited and his camp’s silence was met by the undecided public with, ‘it must be true’.
Obama will go tit for tat with McCain.
Finally, Obama has some of the best statisticians in the business and many say, rightly, if they were not there his message would be less pointed and have less weight.
Doug,
That’s because OBAMA alone is an IDIOT – Surrounded by smart people he becomes an IDIOT that can speak to whatever anyone wants to hear – when they want to hear it – his substance is one of expedience….his
Thanks for the nice invitation, Doug. I’ll be tempted, if Obama wins. But I don’t think so.
We forget, a lot of Americans have a simple thing going for us. Good instincts. I bet you millions of people get a sense of Obama that makes them uneasy. Just a bad feeling, that will keep them from voting for him. We don’t always have to know exactly why. I think Obama would easily win, if he had beliefs he could straightforwardly state and defend. But of course, he can’t do that.
Stop it right now, The Bronze. Don’t you know what gives Obama his advantage right now? It is his fans that believe he will win. Have faith, believe! Thoughts matters. Create a winning energy.
I’ve got this post from NO QUARTER. It’s so good, I’m pasting it here:
“My dad said, “if you don’t like Obama’s position wait 20 minutes he’ll have a new one for ya.”
@Craig: True, very true. This debate was proof.
I can’t believe I’m saying this…but I kinda have to agree with doug1’s first post on The Corner.
(and if anyone knows me, this is a very rare instance).
But, I do have to admit that sounding smart just isn’t going to cut it. Yes, McCain could have hit home harder on certain points and perhaps pointed out to the public the errors in Obama’s plan. And at certain points, he did, but I feel that he just didn’t have the spark I was hoping for. I mean, if I was running against Obama right now, I could have nailed him and nailed him hard on every single stupid point that he made. Unfortunately, I wouldn’t be able to do it all in the time allotted. =D
I had to record the debate and watch it after I got back home, and this time around, I had to replay certain things that Obama said over and over again to actually believe the words coming out of his mouth. This debate, I’m proud to say that I was able to digest every single word, as I took down notes on what BOTH candidates said in order to relay all this information to my Obama supporting friends.
It takes an electorate who can hang on every word, evaluate it, and apply it to the situation in the current world in order to truly decide which candidate is good or bad. I know I’m a strong McCain supporter, as you all know, but I have to say that I find Obama even more dangerous than I previously thought. Unfortunately for us all, we don’t have the aforementioned type of electorate in this country, because not all of them are political junkies or those who are truly in search of the truth. I am seeing more McCain/Palin bumper stickers here in California, but I do fear the worst. It’s not over, but as of right now, this election has me feeling a deep fear in my heart.
Despite the fear, though, I will not give up on my efforts to educate those on the true facts and what each candidate truly means for our country. Come Nov. 4th, I WILL vote for McCain.
Dude, do you realize how Lefty/Stoner that sounds? Funny though.
Leah: and I too, will vote for McCain and encourage everyone that will listen, to do likewise. However, at this point, I don’t think he can pull it off.
@thebronze: It’s just too bad that the Obama supporters are so damn ignorant of what he really means when he says the things he says and that they’re so reluctant to actually hear the truth. I wish I can expose them all to FA here, as I’ve suggested to many people I have come across, because this website does offer the uninhibited truth that you can’t find anywhere else. As this election goes on, I fear for the country. I fear for all those eluded. And I fear that because of their stupid, foolish choices, the part of the nation who knows the right path will be the ones who suffer. I’ve always loved my country, but in the hands of the stupid, it can only sink lower. And it’s because of my love for my country that I fear right now.
Mata, MikesA: damn it, run for the presidency. You two have more experience than Obama does. 😀
Ah – polls are crap – unless you can poll everyone – oh yeah that will be the election 🙂
McCain has a chance
We have a choice
It’s not just the POTUS election we have to worry about
Congressional elections will have an even larger impact on the future……..
AND
Even more important
AMERICANS have to stay involved as OVERSIGHT of those elected………
For too long – WE have let this problem fester
Leah,
As the generations of non-entitled are overwhelmed with the generations of the entitled – what should we expect ?
Don’t misunderstand – I agree with you
Perhaps a depression is in order…….
How America got to this point is simple and also complex – and has no central point of blame
Living in the past will not solve the problems of the future, let alone the here and now….
However the future evolves – it can not suceed unless WE all stand together to achieve that future and empower our children and their children to sustain and continue that success.
Obama isn’t the answer
We need, we demand, a tested leader to bridge the gap for the next step in America’s evolution.
Obama is a catalyst for those of us that do not want his future to determine our countries future.
McCain will bridge that gap and usher in a Palin administration in 2012.
They may lead – but without Americans following we will fail – and ultimately it will be on our heads not theirs, or Bush’s etc….
We have a chance
We have a choice
We have to stand up for it
The cost of failure is unacceptable
@BukerStreet: I guess this is what McCain was talking about when he said that he knows what it feels like to have his friends and comrades pull you back up. Thanks, to all who will not lose hope and to all who won’t allow us to lose hope.
Craig—the problem with Sarah is that she has made enemies with the MSM. Even bad publicity is publicity. They don’t have to cover her if they don’t want to. Like someone said, it seems more that the McCain people don’t want her on the MSM. In that respect, I can see why.
But did they not know what they had? She was the woman to steal the Hillary votes. That failed.
Now they are stuck with someone they are “hiding.”
The economic downturn rained all over the game plan. This is a huge economic crisis. People are angry. Sarah gives them “folksy.” In a time of crisis? Ugh
Don’t write off Sarah……
Screw the MSM – they might be banging on her door begging in a week
CHANCE
We can believe in
I love it!
I’m not writing off Sarah. My question is, why only Fox? I think it’s a safe bet that Fox’s audience is voting Repub (or some Constitution party) so how does her reaching out to the Fox audience help the cause? It doesn’t do a thing. Team of mavericks all right.
Baldwin will get my vote.
What’s the difference between a friend of David Duke and a friend of Rev Wright?
Would you vote for a friend of David Duke?
Who is friendswith David Duke????? Maybe Buchanan?
David Duke? Nah, not if he was as snuggle buggle with him as Obama was with Wright. Definitely no.
Couple of quotes and a motto or two for inspiration 🙂
I am sure someone can figure out their origins……….?
“Chance favors the prepared mind.”
“A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt…If the game runs sometime against us at home, we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake.”
“The only easy day was yesterday”
“Veritas Vos Liberabit”
@BukerStreet:
Well, since you asked so nicely. 🙂
— Louis Pasteur
— Thomas Jefferson
— The Unofficial Motto of the Navy SEALs
“The truth shall make you free”
— The John Hopkins Ode
Very nice 🙂
But you may not have been the intended target 🙂
The last is also the motto of an Army unit…….
Nice job here. I have been waiting for someone to comment on his lie that Obama escaped because we liberated Iraq.
He also lied about the reason for the financial crisis, blaming Bush’s economic policies and “deregulation” instead of himself and his butt-buddies in the democRAT party who BLOCKED legislation proposed by “The Deregulator” George W. Bush, American Hero and LOUSY communicator.
Did I say, “Obama?” I meant OSAMA…easy mistake to make…two anti-American muslim-born jackasses.
And no one here has said anythingabout Obama’s mistakeof saying the military invented computers. This is not true, they did invent the internet though, not AlGore.
I think he meant the internet, ifnot he is obviously an idiot.
Appears that a few in here might need to watch this video. It’s Mark Levin giving a pep talk, pretty good stuff!
Pep Talk Time
http://thatsmeontheleft.blogspot.com/2008/10/pep-talk-time.html